I think the conclusion is we didn’t win yesterday and the team didn’t look great in truth. Got to have something to complain about. It’s the Charlton way. 😀
People were moaning at 5.30 about RRR, for the majority it's got nothing to do with the result or performance yesterday.
What on earth is happening to this forum? There seems to be lots of negativity across many threads much of it aimed at TS. This bloke has come in and done something no one on here could do, he has saved us from potential extinction! Yes he is somewhat enthusiastic but why shouldn't he be, he has so far spent circa £10m of his OWN money. That money spent has given us a club to still support, a Covered End to fill, football games to watch and a chance to dream of much bigger things to come. Yet he gets called for not investing in the squad, although we have been told more players are to come, he gets called for making statements about blowing this league before a game had been played and now he is getting called for writing a song about our club and playing it instead of RRR at his first game at a rocking Valley! We have no idea if it's permanent (dumping RRR) my guess is that's it's not, we still have 3 weeks of transfer window open, so again we need to see who else joins and, if we do win promotion next May, it's his money and NA's nounce that would have got us there (along with a little luck)! Let's just see what pans out before knocking everything, my old man used to say "be thankful for what you have, as many others don't have anything" and in this case I think of Bury FC!
I wonder how many Bury fans said "Let's just see what pans out".
Not really. I genuinely don’t know what people expect. These are comment forums for people to express, share and discuss their views. Some things will be fact, other things will be praising, critical, positive, negative, hopeful, dismissive etc. It’s the whole concept of having a view and sharing it.
I think some people now have a default setting that they are instantly going to kick back to any view expressed that is potentially critical or negative (and I don’t think that’s unique to Charlton).
As others have said, if Sandgaard had bought (for example) Millwall, West Ham or Everton and their fans turned up yesterday to have Let Em Come, Bubbles or Z Cars replaced by their owners vanity project, im fairly sure the reaction would be even stronger than ours.
Just because some people like a moan it doesn’t mean that everything they moan about should be dismissed.
I turned up. I heard A2V, RRR, LC and VFR before kickoff. It didn't occur to me that anything had been replaced.
Not really. I genuinely don’t know what people expect. These are comment forums for people to express, share and discuss their views. Some things will be fact, other things will be praising, critical, positive, negative, hopeful, dismissive etc. It’s the whole concept of having a view and sharing it.
I think some people now have a default setting that they are instantly going to kick back to any view expressed that is potentially critical or negative (and I don’t think that’s unique to Charlton).
As others have said, if Sandgaard had bought (for example) Millwall, West Ham or Everton and their fans turned up yesterday to have Let Em Come, Bubbles or Z Cars replaced by their owners vanity project, im fairly sure the reaction would be even stronger than ours.
Just because some people like a moan it doesn’t mean that everything they moan about should be dismissed.
I turned up. I heard A2V, RRR, LC and VFR before kickoff. It didn't occur to me that anything had been replaced.
Just to be clear, RRR was replaced as the music to which the team walk out to by A2V.
Not really. I genuinely don’t know what people expect. These are comment forums for people to express, share and discuss their views. Some things will be fact, other things will be praising, critical, positive, negative, hopeful, dismissive etc. It’s the whole concept of having a view and sharing it.
I think some people now have a default setting that they are instantly going to kick back to any view expressed that is potentially critical or negative (and I don’t think that’s unique to Charlton).
As others have said, if Sandgaard had bought (for example) Millwall, West Ham or Everton and their fans turned up yesterday to have Let Em Come, Bubbles or Z Cars replaced by their owners vanity project, im fairly sure the reaction would be even stronger than ours.
Just because some people like a moan it doesn’t mean that everything they moan about should be dismissed.
I turned up. I heard A2V, RRR, LC and VFR before kickoff. It didn't occur to me that anything had been replaced.
Just to be clear, RRR was replaced as the music to which the team walk out by A2V.
Honestly didn't notice! Teach me to turn up all loved-up and not paying attention
What on earth is happening to this forum? There seems to be lots of negativity across many threads much of it aimed at TS. This bloke has come in and done something no one on here could do, he has saved us from potential extinction! Yes he is somewhat enthusiastic but why shouldn't he be, he has so far spent circa £10m of his OWN money. That money spent has given us a club to still support, a Covered End to fill, football games to watch and a chance to dream of much bigger things to come. Yet he gets called for not investing in the squad, although we have been told more players are to come, he gets called for making statements about blowing this league before a game had been played and now he is getting called for writing a song about our club and playing it instead of RRR at his first game at a rocking Valley! We have no idea if it's permanent (dumping RRR) my guess is that's it's not, we still have 3 weeks of transfer window open, so again we need to see who else joins and, if we do win promotion next May, it's his money and NA's nounce that would have got us there (along with a little luck)! Let's just see what pans out before knocking everything, my old man used to say "be thankful for what you have, as many others don't have anything" and in this case I think of Bury FC!
I wonder how many Bury fans said "Let's just see what pans out".
That's my point @SporadicAddick I'm asking people to be happy with what we have, TS says there's more to come and we have a club to support...unlike Bury!
It’s early days - let’s see how this plays out. I am almost positive it will be back to normal next game but it’s understandable fans feel nervous when stuff like this happens.
What i would say though is Meire got lambasted for sticking a sofa by the side of the pitch, previous owners got ridiculed for signing the likes of Polish Pete.
As I say early days - but Ronnie Schwartz, starting the season with a squad of this size and RRR being dropped wouldn’t have been received so understandably with previous regimes.
What on earth is happening to this forum? There seems to be lots of negativity across many threads much of it aimed at TS. This bloke has come in and done something no one on here could do, he has saved us from potential extinction! Yes he is somewhat enthusiastic but why shouldn't he be, he has so far spent circa £10m of his OWN money. That money spent has given us a club to still support, a Covered End to fill, football games to watch and a chance to dream of much bigger things to come. Yet he gets called for not investing in the squad, although we have been told more players are to come, he gets called for making statements about blowing this league before a game had been played and now he is getting called for writing a song about our club and playing it instead of RRR at his first game at a rocking Valley! We have no idea if it's permanent (dumping RRR) my guess is that's it's not, we still have 3 weeks of transfer window open, so again we need to see who else joins and, if we do win promotion next May, it's his money and NA's nounce that would have got us there (along with a little luck)! Let's just see what pans out before knocking everything, my old man used to say "be thankful for what you have, as many others don't have anything" and in this case I think of Bury FC!
There are some things about a football club that are sacrosanct and RRR played to our team coming onto the field is one. Nothing wrong with TS playing his song but not to replace RRR even just once is wrong. The fact that he saved the club is not the point, I guess that he is an intelligent man and as such should have had more sense than he did.
Since I’ve been on this forum we’ve had a few discussions about replacing RRR because it’s naff & outdated. And there are some who want it gone.
I’ve always loved it & would never want it replaced permanently.
I was listening to my Bruvs comms & when I heard RRR being played when the Curbishley Stand stuff was being done I knew then that A2V would be played as the players came out. The only surprise was TS wasn’t at the front of them playing along.
Hopefully RRR will be back where it belongs now.
And then TS will still get pelters over something else, as it just seems the norm tbh.
Not really. I genuinely don’t know what people expect. These are comment forums for people to express, share and discuss their views. Some things will be fact, other things will be praising, critical, positive, negative, hopeful, dismissive etc. It’s the whole concept of having a view and sharing it.
I think some people now have a default setting that they are instantly going to kick back to any view expressed that is potentially critical or negative (and I don’t think that’s unique to Charlton).
As others have said, if Sandgaard had bought (for example) Millwall, West Ham or Everton and their fans turned up yesterday to have Let Em Come, Bubbles or Z Cars replaced by their owners vanity project, im fairly sure the reaction would be even stronger than ours.
Just because some people like a moan it doesn’t mean that everything they moan about should be dismissed.
I turned up. I heard A2V, RRR, LC and VFR before kickoff. It didn't occur to me that anything had been replaced.
Just to be clear, RRR was replaced as the music to which the team walk out by A2V.
Honestly didn't notice! Teach me to turn up all loved-up and not paying attention
Have you got a girlfriend? You've not mentioned it.
Not really. I genuinely don’t know what people expect. These are comment forums for people to express, share and discuss their views. Some things will be fact, other things will be praising, critical, positive, negative, hopeful, dismissive etc. It’s the whole concept of having a view and sharing it.
I think some people now have a default setting that they are instantly going to kick back to any view expressed that is potentially critical or negative (and I don’t think that’s unique to Charlton).
As others have said, if Sandgaard had bought (for example) Millwall, West Ham or Everton and their fans turned up yesterday to have Let Em Come, Bubbles or Z Cars replaced by their owners vanity project, im fairly sure the reaction would be even stronger than ours.
Just because some people like a moan it doesn’t mean that everything they moan about should be dismissed.
I turned up. I heard A2V, RRR, LC and VFR before kickoff. It didn't occur to me that anything had been replaced.
Just to be clear, RRR was replaced as the music to which the team walk out by A2V.
Honestly didn't notice! Teach me to turn up all loved-up and not paying attention
Have you got a girlfriend? You've not mentioned it.
Amazed that people believe this was only supposed to be a one off to be honest.
If the plan was always to just play it whilst the teams are in the tunnel or immediately after the RRR then that is what would have happened yesterday. Makes no sense to have the teams come out to it as a one off unless it’s never played again.
The amount of knicker twisting from our fans at the moment is getting really old. Every single little thing the club does is treated like it’s the worst thing that has ever happened.
Yes TS is an eccentric owner who clearly wants to try different things to engage the fan base and grow that fan base, will all those things work? Definitely not. Has he given us any reason to think he won’t listen to fans when concerns are voiced? Again absolutely not.
We run the risk of coming across as a really entitled fan base when we scream and shout at every tiny thing.
Are people screaming and shouting, or are they simply voicing their concerns, so that TS can listen to them as you - and I - have every confidence he will?
So what should have happened based on these comments, TS should have announced he would be using his own song as a one off to bookmark his first game of the season in charge, new era bla bla bla and then gone back to RRR and no one would actually care.
shows how important communication is and as Akfa brilliantly put, it’a disappointing no one at the club recognised this and come to a decision like that
That’s not true though.
Then that’s quite disappointing that he was advised and ignored it, I won’t look into it too much but any hardcore fan base would have the hump, not just us
i have to say it’s all a bit much everyone getting precious over a song not being played for what may be a one off at a certain time, it was played while the ex players were introduced for the curbishley stand opening. I wonder how many on here that are up in arms, we’re actually at the game?, if you weren’t then don’t fix.;ng moan, because the bloke that put millions in was. God forbid someone trying something new and upsetting the traditionalists, they might boycott or something. I agree The team should come out to RRR, and then ATR for the 2nd half. But bloody hell the over reaction is just too full of entitlement.TS is trying to make Charlton a good fun place to enjoy and move on from all the shit, and yet people want to continue with negativity and moaning because it suits them.
I wasn't at the game because I am isolating so couldn't be there. Having put thousands into the club over the past thirty years including best part of a grand on season ticket, valley gold I am entitled to have an opinion on someone coming in for 5 minutes and changing a mainstay tradition for a self imposed ego trip. Was Curbishley's day yesterday yet there is TS standing there garnering all the attention.
Do I think he is a bad bloke a'la Southall et el- no of course not. Is he a dour balance sheet weirdo like Duchatelet- no.
And of course he has come in and stopped the club from potentially folding/ facing dire straights which we are of course all grateful for. However, Duchatelet essentially did that to a degree.
What I really don't understand after the past 3 ownerships is how quickly Charlton fans seem to drop to their knees and hero- worship anyone who comes in. Yes he is keeping the club going and has stopped us facing dire straights but that is a symptom of how fucked up modern football is- it doesn't mean they get carte blanche to do what they want or bastardise the traditions of our great club.
I will give TS the benefit of the doubt but I have great concerns that there may be a bit of emperor's clothes here. I don't think he is a wrong un a'la Southall and Nimir but I do think he is perhaps very naïve about football and has massively underestimated what is required to progress a football club in the hugely competitive and pitfall- ridden English leagues.
I have concerns about how long the funding is sustainable, whether he has the funds or the appetite for the reality of the level of spend that is required to get out of this league and then try to even compete, let alone push on, in the Championship and nothing I;ve seen player recruitment wise so far has really given me much confidence in that department and we have started the season after a whole summer to prepare with right backs at left back and no bench.
Yes this is a very negative and pessimistic outlook but after the last 3 owners and seeing the lack of investment in the playing squad which under prior ownerships would likely have caused wider concern and raised further questions.
The bluster and pie in the sky talk of European football etc was a red flag that he didn't get it and whilst optimistic can do positivity has its place it won't get you goals against Accrington Stanley.
I really don't get how people are so quick to elevate new comers to legend status and the "Cult of Sandgaard" means that any of us voicing concerns or criticising things like the replacement of RRR with a vanity project are frowned upon as miserable bastards (not to say that we aren't necessarily).
Don't forget we have put in £5m in season ticket sales so it's not all bankrolled and we are entitled to have a view even if it involves criticising or raising concerns about an owner who seems to have attained messianic status within 5 minutes of rocking up.
I've been following Charlton for 30 plus years through the lows and lows as most of us have and will continue to do so and will care more about it than any non- Charlton fan owner now or in future.
I want to be proved wrong and will happily swallow every word of the above if he delivers but until then whilst grateful he has stopped us going under and is funding us I reserve the right as a paying fan of 30 years to be reluctant to go nuts in on worshipping/ not criticising egotistical stuff like this poxy song.
Please just focus on building the football side of things and the accolades and praise will follow when they have been earnt.
I've been thinking this since he came in. If we had made loads of great signings i would get the hero worshipping.
Amazed that people believe this was only supposed to be a one off to be honest.
If the plan was always to just play it whilst the teams are in the tunnel or immediately after the RRR then that is what would have happened yesterday. Makes no sense to have the teams come out to it as a one off unless it’s never played again.
It's equally amazing just how many people know for a fact that this was going to be a new tradition.
Amazed that people believe this was only supposed to be a one off to be honest.
If the plan was always to just play it whilst the teams are in the tunnel or immediately after the RRR then that is what would have happened yesterday. Makes no sense to have the teams come out to it as a one off unless it’s never played again.
It's equally amazing just how many people know for a fact that this was going to be a new tradition.
It’s not a fact but logically, everything points towards the idea that this is/was supposed to be a permanent thing as makes very little (no) sense to have done it yesterday otherwise.
Let's face it, RRR is a pretty naff, pretty outdated song performed by a big band: something that ceased being popular about 75 years ago. And it's only a cover version anyway. It is dreary, lacks punch and is more likely to inspire a player to hand in a transfer request than score a goal.
In any event, the nigh-on 100 year-old song, was actually penned by an American. As such, it is about the American Robin, a member of the Thrush family and sod-all to do with our European Robin which is a member of the flycatcher family.
That said, it is our naff, ancient ditty and I'd like to keep it. But there should be plenty of space for some more inspirational music to be slotted in before kick-off.
Now, the TS ego thing. I actually think he thought we'd enjoy hearing something from him. There was all that Twitter stuff about him performing on the pitch and I think he probably thought he had to, otherwise we'd think he had bottled it.
Entirely by chance, we literally bumped into TS yesterday: he was coming out of the Boardroom as we were climbing the stairs to the Vista Lounge. We had a quick chat with him and his Mrs. He seemed like a pleasant and entirely nice guy. Obviously first impressions can be misleading. But he wasn't the archetypal big, brash, loud, bullying sort of person that you'd often find heading up a largish quoted company. (And boy, are there plenty of those.) I got the impression he was quite humble really. Time will tell I guess.
I was from the start very much against Duchatalet, wasn't a hunch or anything like that. A Belgian journalist and a handful of Liege fans made the effort to come on here and tell us and then the wrinkled up old ballsack and his gash told us exactly what they would do.
With Thomas Sandgaard I'm getting a much different vibe, one of someone who is probably infectiously almost childishly enthusiastic about things and that part of his character will have helped him with his very successful and noble business.
The promotions with the season tickets I don't really care about, they are poorly thought out but I still don't care. Same for a lot of peripheral stuff like that, hes got a lot of unfucking to do and that is going to take time and he still has to sack the teste headed Keohane when that walking scrotum eventually gets off his knees pleading for his job.
A man who has genuinely, legitimately rescued us from oblivion is allowed some indulgence. If he wanted to get on his knees and treat us to Metallica's enter sandman in front of the covered end so be it, I think he went very light on the self indulgence and was trying to have some fun with the crowd. No problem with that.
If not playing the Red Red Robin as the players come out is a thing he did for one game then I'm also fine with that. With the caveat its a self indulgent one off. Not that many clubs have a song as unique as that to come out to and it should be held dear, as well as not, ever playing music when we score.
There is still time in the window to bring better players in and improve the squad rather than just get bodies in, I'm glad we aren't throwing money around at this level I dont think that brings any guarantee at all of success. Although Kirk from Crewe is a very decent player and I'd be really pleased if we got him
Pretty close to agreeing with almost every word of this. I do think it's a shame that the day he brought back one tradition - Floyd and Harvey - and honoured arguably our greatest ever manager, he decided to ditch a key tradition, the RRR. We lost the buzz that would have brought us.
That said, I was surprised at how well ATV worked in the stadium. Nice and loud in the Curbs stand, and quite rousing. I do think there's a place for it - maybe at half time, maybe leading us to kickoff. The day shouldn't have been all about Sandgaard, but I agree he seems to have discovered something special in supporting Charlton, and we all remember what that feels like, right?
I have to respect that RRR means something to the majority of fans. For me, I have never cared for it because it is naff IMO. If I owned the club, I wouldn't get rid of it unless there was a call from the fans to do so. I have to say, I think Sandgaard's song is a bit naff too. I am more interested in us having a good team even though traditionally, that isn't usually the case. That is a tradition I could break with.
I have to respect that RRR means something to the majority of fans. For me, I have never cared for it because it is naff IMO. If I owned the club, I wouldn't get rid of it unless there was a call from the fans to do so. I have to say, I think Sandgaard's song is a bit naff too. I am more interested in us having a good team even though traditionally, that isn't usually the case. That is a tradition I could break with.
I'll say one thing in defence of TS. He's had months of fans tweeting him and encouraging his music, saying how great it is and could he play on the pitch, right up until recently when he announced it would come to fruition. Then all of sudden the mood changed to no thanks that's naff.
It's not only his music, what about the ladies team as another example? TS was asked, what will you be doing for the ladies team? He does something positive and then the mood is he's helping the women but not doing enough for the men.
I could go on
I know it's different people saying different things, but the bloke must be a bit perplexed.
I think what he is doing for the ladies team is great. Different people generally say different things, unless the squad spending so far was brilliant and most would be happy with him doing a naked lap of honour.
I'll say one thing in defence of TS. He's had months of fans tweeting him and encouraging his music, saying how great it is and could he play on the pitch, right up until recently when he announced it would come to fruition. Then all of sudden the mood changed to no thanks that's naff.
It's not only his music, what about the ladies team. What will you be doing for the ladies team was asked of TS. He does something positive and then the mood is he's helping the women but not doing enough for the men
I could go on
I know it's different people saying different things, but the bloke must be a bit perplexed.
He needs a decent UK based MD / CEO that has a link to the club, understands its principles and its traditions, and who has done a similar role before. If only there was a decent candidate....
I watched it on TV. TS walking around the pitch with his guitar trying to promote his song. I hope to Christ it isn’t gonna be a permanent thing, to be honest, and I truly hate to say it but we “out Palaced Palace” yesterday with that stunt. It was cringy and my toes were curling up in my Adidas. I know the bloke wants to be Carlos Santana but not at football please mate. Thanks for buying the club and sorting it so far TS, but any further outbreaks of ‘I’m a rock star’ will be met with a stern ticking off. Let that be a warning……and don’t even think about goal music.
I watched it on TV. TS walking around the pitch with his guitar trying to promote his song. I hope to Christ it isn’t gonna be a permanent thing, to be honest, and I truly hate to say it but we “out Palaced Palace” yesterday with that stunt. It was cringy and my toes were curling up in my Adidas. I know the bloke wants to be Carlos Santana but not at football please mate. Thanks for buying the club and sorting it so far TS, but any further outbreaks of ‘I’m a rock star’ will be met with a stern ticking off. Let that be a warning……and don’t even think about goal music.
No he wasn't . He was playing Valley Floyd Rd not his song.
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I wonder how many Bury fans said "Let's just see what pans out".
What i would say though is Meire got lambasted for sticking a sofa by the side of the pitch, previous owners got ridiculed for signing the likes of Polish Pete.
As I say early days - but Ronnie Schwartz, starting the season with a squad of this size and RRR being dropped wouldn’t have been received so understandably with previous regimes.
I’ve always loved it & would never want it replaced permanently.
I was listening to my Bruvs comms & when I heard RRR being played when the Curbishley Stand stuff was being done I knew then that A2V would be played as the players came out. The only surprise was TS wasn’t at the front of them playing along.
Hopefully RRR will be back where it belongs now.
And then TS will still get pelters over something else, as it just seems the norm tbh.
Some traditions are still there 🙄🤣🤣🤣
If the plan was always to just play it whilst the teams are in the tunnel or immediately after the RRR then that is what would have happened yesterday. Makes no sense to have the teams come out to it as a one off unless it’s never played again.
I've been thinking this since he came in. If we had made loads of great signings i would get the hero worshipping.
In any event, the nigh-on 100 year-old song, was actually penned by an American. As such, it is about the American Robin, a member of the Thrush family and sod-all to do with our European Robin which is a member of the flycatcher family.
That said, it is our naff, ancient ditty and I'd like to keep it. But there should be plenty of space for some more inspirational music to be slotted in before kick-off.
Now, the TS ego thing. I actually think he thought we'd enjoy hearing something from him. There was all that Twitter stuff about him performing on the pitch and I think he probably thought he had to, otherwise we'd think he had bottled it.
Entirely by chance, we literally bumped into TS yesterday: he was coming out of the Boardroom as we were climbing the stairs to the Vista Lounge. We had a quick chat with him and his Mrs. He seemed like a pleasant and entirely nice guy. Obviously first impressions can be misleading. But he wasn't the archetypal big, brash, loud, bullying sort of person that you'd often find heading up a largish quoted company. (And boy, are there plenty of those.) I got the impression he was quite humble really. Time will tell I guess.
That said, I was surprised at how well ATV worked in the stadium. Nice and loud in the Curbs stand, and quite rousing. I do think there's a place for it - maybe at half time, maybe leading us to kickoff. The day shouldn't have been all about Sandgaard, but I agree he seems to have discovered something special in supporting Charlton, and we all remember what that feels like, right?
What next - Liverpool drop YNWA? Man City drop Blue Moon? Everton drop Z cars?
He's had months of fans tweeting him and encouraging his music, saying how great it is and could he play on the pitch, right up until recently when he announced it would come to fruition.
Then all of sudden the mood changed to no thanks that's naff.
It's not only his music, what about the ladies team as another example?
TS was asked, what will you be doing for the ladies team?
He does something positive and then the mood is he's helping the women but not doing enough for the men.
I could go on
I know it's different people saying different things, but the bloke must be a bit perplexed.
I hope to Christ it isn’t gonna be a permanent thing, to be honest, and I truly hate to say it but we “out Palaced Palace” yesterday with that stunt. It was cringy and my toes were curling up in my Adidas.
I know the bloke wants to be Carlos Santana but not at football please mate.
Thanks for buying the club and sorting it so far TS, but any further outbreaks of ‘I’m a rock star’ will be met with a stern ticking off.
Let that be a warning……and don’t even think about goal music.