I'm sure TS, Ged and Gallen have assessed what they can afford or not. I find it bemusing when fans without anything more than guesswork act like they know the exact financial situations of a club and legal remit they are working within.
I'm sure TS, Ged and Gallen have assessed what they can afford or not. I find it bemusing when fans without anything more than guesswork act like they know the exact financial situations of a club and legal remit they are working within.
We do know what legal remit the club is working within. Fair point on them obviously knowing a lot more than us, but it's not entire guesswork, Bows has repeatedly referred to the cap.
I don't see why it's bemusing to discuss it. We are probably looking to sign two more and personally I think we'll definitely have to offload to get them in.
Wouldnt surprise me if we made Shinnie permanent to free up another loan spot
It would surprise me, Luton currently paying 80% of his wages
Yeah but say he is on 10k a week, of which we are paying him 2k of. (these numbers are totally made up and are probably more than he is on).
He has about 5 months, or 20 week left on his contract. So 200ks worth of "wages left".
If we paid Luton 150k for him and they gave him a £120k golden hand shake we could sign him for 1k a week for the rest of the season and neither Luton or him are out of pocket. Roughly.
That's not how the new rules work, otherwise all the bigger teams in League one would be doing this to get round the salary cap.
OK, put it another way. Could the EFL do anything to us because Luton, not us, paid up Shinnie's contract?
Wouldnt surprise me if we made Shinnie permanent to free up another loan spot
It would surprise me, Luton currently paying 80% of his wages
Yeah but say he is on 10k a week, of which we are paying him 2k of. (these numbers are totally made up and are probably more than he is on).
He has about 5 months, or 20 week left on his contract. So 200ks worth of "wages left".
If we paid Luton 150k for him and they gave him a £120k golden hand shake we could sign him for 1k a week for the rest of the season and neither Luton or him are out of pocket. Roughly.
That's not how the new rules work, otherwise all the bigger teams in League one would be doing this to get round the salary cap.
OK, put it another way. Could the EFL do anything to us because Luton, not us, paid up Shinnie's contract?
How would that work as a transfer though? What are we paying Luton for if they paid up his contract?
Wouldnt surprise me if we made Shinnie permanent to free up another loan spot
It would surprise me, Luton currently paying 80% of his wages
Yeah but say he is on 10k a week, of which we are paying him 2k of. (these numbers are totally made up and are probably more than he is on).
He has about 5 months, or 20 week left on his contract. So 200ks worth of "wages left".
If we paid Luton 150k for him and they gave him a £120k golden hand shake we could sign him for 1k a week for the rest of the season and neither Luton or him are out of pocket. Roughly.
That's not how the new rules work, otherwise all the bigger teams in League one would be doing this to get round the salary cap.
OK, put it another way. Could the EFL do anything to us because Luton, not us, paid up Shinnie's contract?
I very much doubt it.
I have suggested a couple of times, Loan fees are not included in salary caps so pay a big wedge up front to be able to get better loanees in on zero salary deals...
I'm guessing as an example a £100k loan fee where we pay the salary of say £5k a week for a 10k a week player, might become a £500k loan fee in order to grease palms and cover salary.
We may be one of the higher scorers in the division but our strikers are dysfunctional.
Schwartz needs chances to be effective. Someone who can hold up the ball is critical to bringing wingers into the game and thus supplying quality deliveries. Stockley can hold it up. Chuks can hold it up.
Washington is a waspish striker but isn't going to bully League 1 defenders. Sometimes we need someone to shithouse the opponent and he can do that but sometimes we need to bully and that's just not him. Smyth...I am not entirely sure what Smyth is as he is not a striker or a forward (or a wing back). He's not got a trick and poses absolutely nothing physically. I wouldn't be too disheartened to see him return to his parent club on present output Bogle has all the size you'd expect from a target man but has none of the strength, power or ball control. It simply isn't working with us at the moment and I would see Stockley as his replacement. Chucks has all the attributes we need in a striker with the exception of the fitness.
As I see it Stockley offers some of the best bits of Chuks with the added benefit of improved fitness and maybe mobility too. I hope we get hm and it works out.
I don't get that we missed the deadline for "somebody" to play on Tuesday but still no announcement that "somebody" has now signed. "Somebody" could have been announced on Tuesday afternoon/evening and maybe that would have given the whole club a boost. I appreciate that as long as "somebody" is signed, paperwork completed, by midday the announcement could be made at any time for that "somebody" to be available for Saturday. Maybe LB is waiting for the club shop to get a scarfy delivery.
I am surprised that anyone thinks that Stockley will be a genuine upgrade on what we have regarding frequency of scoring, unless they think Aneke is getting too much playing time for his own good.
Otherwise the real problem is CB cover really.
I'm a genuine upgrade on Bogle regarding frequency of scoring.
I’m probably an upgrade on Bogle and I’m fucking useless.
I am surprised that anyone thinks that Stockley will be a genuine upgrade on what we have regarding frequency of scoring, unless they think Aneke is getting too much playing time for his own good.
Otherwise the real problem is CB cover really.
He will hold the ball up, pressure defenders into mistakes, win free kicks and throw ins in the opposition half.
Against Swindon and Shrewsbury, would they have scored if we had someone up top holding the ball up and keeping possession rather than it keep coming back into our box.
this signing (if it happens) suggests that we are singing a player we want, where the early summer signings we to fill gaps on a limited esi budget
Stockley, Aneke, Schwartz and Washington competing for two spots would be superb. Can’t see how we can afford him unless we are able to move Bogle on though.
It wouldn't be ‘superb’ but any striker force where bogle isn’t playing is a huge uplift.
I think it would be. Schwartz early days but he’s a finisher. Stockley is a great target man at this level. Aneke been fantastic and Washington chips in. How many teams have 4 strikers as good as those?
Stockley - 9 goals in 60 odd games Shwartz - Unknown at this level Aneke - Great player, can't do 90 mins. Let alone two/three games in a week Washington - Is ok
It isn't 'Superb'. Taylor and Grant in League One is Superb.
But they only played half a season together. Grant was only a 1st team player for us for 5 months. It's not like we were running away with the league when Grant left.
Its like "5 games Innis", it's like Hunt and Mendonca, these mythical partnerships that only exist in people's fantasies.
People will be banging on about Di Canio and Bent soon.
But calling Shwartz and Stockley superb when they haven't played 90 minutes in a Charlton shirt between them is correct .....
No obviously that is equally ludicrous.
But we have some other incredibly mythical partnerships, Innis and Famewo, Grant and Taylor are the two that get banded about on almost a daily basis.
Grant and Taylor played about 15 games together, Innis and Famewo 5. It's not significantly more than that games that than Stockley and Schwartz or Bent and Di Canio have/will/did is it.
The argument wasn’t about partnerships or minutes played, the argument was players.
It’s simple. Grant and Taylor are superb players to have in league one. Our current crop are not.
It’s not. It’s your opinion. Easy saying Grant and Taylor are superb in hindsight, not many would have been saying that in July 2018. Plus I’m talking about depth, not just the starting duo.
In fairness, superb might have been a slight exaggeration. I still think those four are outstanding depth. If you disagree, tell me which teams in this division have 3rd/4th choice strikers better than two of the above.
I think someone like Washington would be a lot better alongside Stockley too.
No it’s very simple.
Of the 3 strikers who are Charlton players and you are saying are superb, what have they shown you to warrant this title? Chucks yes but again he hasn’t got the fitness so IMO he isn’t superb for this league. Adding Shockley doesn’t just change the front 3 to superb players.
Grant and Taylor have done it and are a superb players for league 1.
It's easy to judge the "class of 18/19" with hindsight, because they got promoted. If they were that fucking good why did it take they play offs, a penalty shoot out and a injury time winner to go up?
We should have gone up as champions with over 100 points, the way everyone now bigs them up.
You forgot the traditional Charlton mid-season injury crisis in 2018/19 ........ which hit us hard that winter.
It wasn't until players came back from injury, that we got our winning run together.
I'm bemused by the idea of us signing another striker. If he turns out to be the same level as Bogle/Washington/Smyth then it will be a complete waste when we're struggling in other areas. I can only assume he's head and shoulders above what we have already.
No. He's different. Different qualities. Could bring some of the things the team are lacking over the full 90 minutes.
I'm bemused by the idea of us signing another striker. If he turns out to be the same level as Bogle/Washington/Smyth then it will be a complete waste when we're struggling in other areas. I can only assume he's head and shoulders above what we have already.
No. He's different. Different qualities. Could bring some of the things the team are lacking over the full 90 minutes.
Fitness, skill, height, ability to tackle and shoot, you mean....
Stockley played well against us last season from what i can remember but would have thought a centre back would be in order rather than another striker.
Stockley would be another big unit to defend set pieces in our box.
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I don't see why it's bemusing to discuss it. We are probably looking to sign two more and personally I think we'll definitely have to offload to get them in.
I have suggested a couple of times, Loan fees are not included in salary caps so pay a big wedge up front to be able to get better loanees in on zero salary deals...
I'm guessing as an example a £100k loan fee where we pay the salary of say £5k a week for a 10k a week player, might become a £500k loan fee in order to grease palms and cover salary.
You know Lee will include it in his post match whine
https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/600ab516a9d83/alfie-doughty-completes-permanent-transfer-to-stoke-city
Schwartz needs chances to be effective. Someone who can hold up the ball is critical to bringing wingers into the game and thus supplying quality deliveries. Stockley can hold it up. Chuks can hold it up.
Washington is a waspish striker but isn't going to bully League 1 defenders. Sometimes we need someone to shithouse the opponent and he can do that but sometimes we need to bully and that's just not him.
Smyth...I am not entirely sure what Smyth is as he is not a striker or a forward (or a wing back). He's not got a trick and poses absolutely nothing physically. I wouldn't be too disheartened to see him return to his parent club on present output
Bogle has all the size you'd expect from a target man but has none of the strength, power or ball control. It simply isn't working with us at the moment and I would see Stockley as his replacement.
Chucks has all the attributes we need in a striker with the exception of the fitness.
As I see it Stockley offers some of the best bits of Chuks with the added benefit of improved fitness and maybe mobility too. I hope we get hm and it works out.
"Somebody" could have been announced on Tuesday afternoon/evening and maybe that would have given the whole club a boost.
I appreciate that as long as "somebody" is signed, paperwork completed, by midday the announcement could be made at any time for that "somebody" to be available for Saturday.
Maybe LB is waiting for the club shop to get a scarfy delivery.
Against Swindon and Shrewsbury, would they have scored if we had someone up top holding the ball up and keeping possession rather than it keep coming back into our box.
this signing (if it happens) suggests that we are singing a player we want, where the early summer signings we to fill gaps on a limited esi budget
It wasn't until players came back from injury, that we got our winning run together.
He probably wouldnt join us given his Millwall links but would be perfect for us at this level
Guy I work with is very good mates with Thompson and said he definitely wouldn't sign for us!
Expect a couple of players to be moved on/loaned out if necessary.