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January 2021 Transfer Targets (last minute swoop for Jaiyesimi p184 - NOW it's all over.)
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centre halfForeverAddickted said:
What position does Harry play?DOUCHER said:
Harry Beadle is the next off the conveyor belt - trust me, he's taken a while to come to the boil but he is gonna be the next one into the first team and he will be a fans favourite - the boy is a 100%er and along with his brother James in goal, will be the backbone of our team for years to come - COYR!!!!!addick1956 said:
What is the point of a youth system if they struggle no good. He seemed fine in the games he played in .Redhenry said:What is it with Barker, I've heard from people at the club say he's miles off first team. He's not the answer. We need a free loan2 -
see my note about the growth spurt - he'll start going through the gears nowChunes said:
He only made his debut for the U23s in November so it seems unlikely he's the next one in the first team.DOUCHER said:
Harry Beadle is the next off the conveyor belt - trust me, he's taken a while to come to the boil but he is gonna be the next one into the first team and he will be a fans favourite - the boy is a 100%er and along with his brother James in goal, will be the backbone of our team for years to come - COYR!!!!!addick1956 said:
What is the point of a youth system if they struggle no good. He seemed fine in the games he played in .Redhenry said:What is it with Barker, I've heard from people at the club say he's miles off first team. He's not the answer. We need a free loan0 -
i'm not anti washington but he isn't at the level to get us promotedstoneroses19 said:
It’s actually only a couple of people, but they repeat themselves so many times it looks like a lot of people being anti-Washington.sammy391 said:Don’t get the anti-Washington vibe
hes a great team player, and has been our only consistent goal threat this season!2 -
there is no comparison - chucks is probably the most dangerous striker in league 1 and possibly the championship - his issues are about his body / ability to stay fit - if he does he is in a completely different league to washingtonDazzler21 said:
By minutes 1 in every 239 to Chuks 1 in every 92Todds_right_hook said:
Really? He has scored 1 in 10. Aneke scores every 88 mins, I know which one I would describe as a goal threatsammy391 said:Don’t get the anti-Washington vibe
hes a great team player, and has been our only consistent goal threat this season!
im not knocking Washington but I wouldn’t call him a goal threat
In addition to this he's only got away 19 shots to Aneke's 35. Making his goal conversion 32% to Chuks 26%.
If he gets away more shots, he either becomes
A- More of a goal threat
or
B - Equally/More wasteful than Chuks6 -
Cheers Doucher, leftie or right footed?DOUCHER said:
centre halfForeverAddickted said:
What position does Harry play?DOUCHER said:
Harry Beadle is the next off the conveyor belt - trust me, he's taken a while to come to the boil but he is gonna be the next one into the first team and he will be a fans favourite - the boy is a 100%er and along with his brother James in goal, will be the backbone of our team for years to come - COYR!!!!!addick1956 said:
What is the point of a youth system if they struggle no good. He seemed fine in the games he played in .Redhenry said:What is it with Barker, I've heard from people at the club say he's miles off first team. He's not the answer. We need a free loan0 -
Right - he and my youngest went to charlton toddlers at swanley together - harry dominated the ball for the whole hour - nobody got a look in - we went on a football tournament to butlins wihen they were a bit older - about 8 - he won player of the tournament - Mat Le tissier handed out the trophy to him - as he's walking off the stage he called back to mat and put his hand to his ear like a phone and said 'call me' - brought the house down - i've got loads of stories - he's always been a real characterForeverAddickted said:
Cheers Doucher, leftie or right footed?DOUCHER said:
centre halfForeverAddickted said:
What position does Harry play?DOUCHER said:
Harry Beadle is the next off the conveyor belt - trust me, he's taken a while to come to the boil but he is gonna be the next one into the first team and he will be a fans favourite - the boy is a 100%er and along with his brother James in goal, will be the backbone of our team for years to come - COYR!!!!!addick1956 said:
What is the point of a youth system if they struggle no good. He seemed fine in the games he played in .Redhenry said:What is it with Barker, I've heard from people at the club say he's miles off first team. He's not the answer. We need a free loan6 -
Interesting that he also mentions the club in question have "an owner who could spend millions but can't because of the cap".ForeverAddickted said:Interesting comments from Paul Warne @ Rotherham
Talks about how the Salary Cap is just as difficult for them as they cant move players on
Surely that can only mean us or Sunderland?11 -
It will free his wages though, as Smyth is 23golfaddick said:
Smyth is a loan so sending him back wont really free up any money. The other 2 were only recruited 6 months ago & on 2 year contracts at least. Hard to move them on and to add into the mix I'm pretty sure Washington was signed before the cap was introduced.DOUCHER said:
smyth has to be first out of the door if poss, followed by bogle and washington?sammy391 said:Bowyer said last night that Sandgaard wants to sign more players , but the cap is limiting us!I’d imagine we have a few lined up, just needing to offload forst
Sad to say I don't think we'll be signing anyone this month - only a loan if the loanee club will pay virtually all the wages. Or if we get rid of Oztumer & use his wages - but I doubt he's on much in any case.0 -
I think Bowyer has said that QPR are doing us quite a bit of a favour with Smyth's wageskillerandflash said:
It will free his wages though, as Smyth is 23golfaddick said:
Smyth is a loan so sending him back wont really free up any money. The other 2 were only recruited 6 months ago & on 2 year contracts at least. Hard to move them on and to add into the mix I'm pretty sure Washington was signed before the cap was introduced.DOUCHER said:
smyth has to be first out of the door if poss, followed by bogle and washington?sammy391 said:Bowyer said last night that Sandgaard wants to sign more players , but the cap is limiting us!I’d imagine we have a few lined up, just needing to offload forst
Sad to say I don't think we'll be signing anyone this month - only a loan if the loanee club will pay virtually all the wages. Or if we get rid of Oztumer & use his wages - but I doubt he's on much in any case.4 -
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Blimey, couldn't have got Terry Naylor either!ForeverAddickted said:Interesting comments from Paul Warne @ Rotherham
Talks about how the Salary Cap is just as difficult for them as they cant move players on3 -
Gotta believe his talking about us.ForeverAddickted said:Interesting comments from Paul Warne @ Rotherham
Talks about how the Salary Cap is just as difficult for them as they cant move players on0 -
I'm sure we're still contributing something, and if we're down to our last £500 a week...ForeverAddickted said:
I think Bowyer has said that QPR are doing us quite a bit of a favour with Smyth's wageskillerandflash said:
It will free his wages though, as Smyth is 23golfaddick said:
Smyth is a loan so sending him back wont really free up any money. The other 2 were only recruited 6 months ago & on 2 year contracts at least. Hard to move them on and to add into the mix I'm pretty sure Washington was signed before the cap was introduced.DOUCHER said:
smyth has to be first out of the door if poss, followed by bogle and washington?sammy391 said:Bowyer said last night that Sandgaard wants to sign more players , but the cap is limiting us!I’d imagine we have a few lined up, just needing to offload forst
Sad to say I don't think we'll be signing anyone this month - only a loan if the loanee club will pay virtually all the wages. Or if we get rid of Oztumer & use his wages - but I doubt he's on much in any case.0 -
If someone makes an argument using stats, it is fair to counter with stats is it not?Oggy Red said:
What is it with all these stats?Dazzler21 said:
By minutes 1 in every 239 to Chuks 1 in every 92Todds_right_hook said:
Really? He has scored 1 in 10. Aneke scores every 88 mins, I know which one I would describe as a goal threatsammy391 said:Don’t get the anti-Washington vibe
hes a great team player, and has been our only consistent goal threat this season!
im not knocking Washington but I wouldn’t call him a goal threat
In addition to this he's only got away 19 shots to Aneke's 35. Making his goal conversion 32% to Chuks 26%.
If he gets away more shots, he either becomes
A- More of a goal threat
or
B - Equally/More wasteful than Chuks
At best they can only be a rough guide - and don't really measure a players all round performance or the interaction of his team players, that he relies on.
And then trying to compare one player with another who doesn't even play the same role ...... (!)
We'd never heard of this glorified navel gazing or dissection to the nth degree until Sky bought out football and reduced it to the level of some dumb arsed American TV game show.
Oh, well ..... each to their own, I suppose.
Stats are interesting they don't give a full picture but they can actually prove/disprove assumptions and bias.1 -
And grant was top scorer before he left!addick1956 said:
He was top scorer before Shinnie got injured.Todds_right_hook said:
Really? He has scored 1 in 10. Aneke scores every 88 mins, I know which one I would describe as a goal threatsammy391 said:Don’t get the anti-Washington vibe
hes a great team player, and has been our only consistent goal threat this season!
im not knocking Washington but I wouldn’t call him a goal threat
Your comment doesn’t really add a lot to the Washington conversation. It suggests we miss shinnie, who will create chances for Schwartz and Aneke.
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Ex Charlton winger / forward Andre Green has signed for Wednesday.
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I actually believe Chuks could play football in most leagues and be effective. He's strong, fairly quick, decent feet, can hold it up, has good vision, can beat a man. If he can sort out his fitness/injury dilemma we will struggle to keep him.DOUCHER said:
there is no comparison - chucks is probably the most dangerous striker in league 1 and possibly the championship - his issues are about his body / ability to stay fit - if he does he is in a completely different league to washingtonDazzler21 said:
By minutes 1 in every 239 to Chuks 1 in every 92Todds_right_hook said:
Really? He has scored 1 in 10. Aneke scores every 88 mins, I know which one I would describe as a goal threatsammy391 said:Don’t get the anti-Washington vibe
hes a great team player, and has been our only consistent goal threat this season!
im not knocking Washington but I wouldn’t call him a goal threat
In addition to this he's only got away 19 shots to Aneke's 35. Making his goal conversion 32% to Chuks 26%.
If he gets away more shots, he either becomes
A- More of a goal threat
or
B - Equally/More wasteful than Chuks
Has to be the number 1 priority to get signed up, he's only 27 as well
Edit: Apologies for further bumping the rumour thread without a rumour to those who visit the thread strictly for them6 -
According to transfer market Rotherham have 9 nine! Centre backs!1
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You'll get no disagreement from me. We know Chuks is dangerous. The argument was that TRH felt Washington wasn't a goal threat... Not even arguing the constant bit, but converting 1 in 3 shots from Washington is a threat. I was using the stats to show our most dangerous player is actually only a bit more dangerous than our second top scorer.DOUCHER said:
there is no comparison - chucks is probably the most dangerous striker in league 1 and possibly the championship - his issues are about his body / ability to stay fit - if he does he is in a completely different league to washingtonDazzler21 said:
By minutes 1 in every 239 to Chuks 1 in every 92Todds_right_hook said:
Really? He has scored 1 in 10. Aneke scores every 88 mins, I know which one I would describe as a goal threatsammy391 said:Don’t get the anti-Washington vibe
hes a great team player, and has been our only consistent goal threat this season!
im not knocking Washington but I wouldn’t call him a goal threat
In addition to this he's only got away 19 shots to Aneke's 35. Making his goal conversion 32% to Chuks 26%.
If he gets away more shots, he either becomes
A- More of a goal threat
or
B - Equally/More wasteful than Chuks1 -
I wonder if with loans we'd be able to pay a large loan fee, but then not pay any wages during the loan...
Might be a way of getting around the cap.2 -
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Probably a stupid question but how visible is each clubs wage cap situation? Do other clubs have access to that information or is it just the EFL that knows how much leeway everyone's got?1
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Please read my post. It’s not what I said. I said that Washington has scored 1 in his last 10 and Aneke scores every 90 minutes. My post was in reply to a post saying Washington is our main goal threat, where i pointed out that Aneke is our main threat. Completely different to saying Washington isn’t a threat.Dazzler21 said:
You'll get no disagreement from me. We know Chuks is dangerous. The argument was that TRH felt Washington wasn't a goal threat... Not even arguing the constant bit, but converting 1 in 3 shots from Washington is a threat. I was using the stats to show our most dangerous player is actually only a bit more dangerous than our second top scorer.DOUCHER said:
there is no comparison - chucks is probably the most dangerous striker in league 1 and possibly the championship - his issues are about his body / ability to stay fit - if he does he is in a completely different league to washingtonDazzler21 said:
By minutes 1 in every 239 to Chuks 1 in every 92Todds_right_hook said:
Really? He has scored 1 in 10. Aneke scores every 88 mins, I know which one I would describe as a goal threatsammy391 said:Don’t get the anti-Washington vibe
hes a great team player, and has been our only consistent goal threat this season!
im not knocking Washington but I wouldn’t call him a goal threat
In addition to this he's only got away 19 shots to Aneke's 35. Making his goal conversion 32% to Chuks 26%.
If he gets away more shots, he either becomes
A- More of a goal threat
or
B - Equally/More wasteful than ChuksI also said I’m not knocking Washington as a player.1 -
We'll leave it here then... I agree Chuks is our main goal threat and Washington is definitely a goal threat, even if it is less so than Chuks.Todds_right_hook said:
Please read my post. It’s not what I said. I said that Washington has scored 1 in his last 10 and Aneke scores every 90 minutes. My post was in reply to a post saying Washington is our main goal threat, where i pointed out that Aneke is our main threat. Completely different to saying Washington isn’t a threat.Dazzler21 said:
You'll get no disagreement from me. We know Chuks is dangerous. The argument was that TRH felt Washington wasn't a goal threat... Not even arguing the constant bit, but converting 1 in 3 shots from Washington is a threat. I was using the stats to show our most dangerous player is actually only a bit more dangerous than our second top scorer.DOUCHER said:
there is no comparison - chucks is probably the most dangerous striker in league 1 and possibly the championship - his issues are about his body / ability to stay fit - if he does he is in a completely different league to washingtonDazzler21 said:
By minutes 1 in every 239 to Chuks 1 in every 92Todds_right_hook said:
Really? He has scored 1 in 10. Aneke scores every 88 mins, I know which one I would describe as a goal threatsammy391 said:Don’t get the anti-Washington vibe
hes a great team player, and has been our only consistent goal threat this season!
im not knocking Washington but I wouldn’t call him a goal threat
In addition to this he's only got away 19 shots to Aneke's 35. Making his goal conversion 32% to Chuks 26%.
If he gets away more shots, he either becomes
A- More of a goal threat
or
B - Equally/More wasteful than ChuksI also said I’m not knocking Washington as a player.Todds_right_hook said:im not knocking Washington but I wouldn’t call him a goal threat
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SELR_addicks said:I wonder if with loans we'd be able to pay a large loan fee, but then not pay any wages during the loan...
Might be a way of getting around the cap
Nope. It's all counted within the salary cap.0 -
SantaClaus said:Probably a stupid question but how visible is each clubs wage cap situation? Do other clubs have access to that information or is it just the EFL that knows how much leeway everyone's got?
Would doubt the internal financial workings of a club is common knowledge, think its rather a case of "Sorry, we can't afford to pay his £15k per week. We've only got enough left for £25 a week and a Happy Meal, can you help us please?"1 -
Oops, sorry @dazzler21, apparently I did say that 😬😬.Dazzler21 said:
We'll leave it here then... I agree Chuks is our main goal threat and Washington is definitely a goal threat, even if it is less so than Chuks.Todds_right_hook said:
Please read my post. It’s not what I said. I said that Washington has scored 1 in his last 10 and Aneke scores every 90 minutes. My post was in reply to a post saying Washington is our main goal threat, where i pointed out that Aneke is our main threat. Completely different to saying Washington isn’t a threat.Dazzler21 said:
You'll get no disagreement from me. We know Chuks is dangerous. The argument was that TRH felt Washington wasn't a goal threat... Not even arguing the constant bit, but converting 1 in 3 shots from Washington is a threat. I was using the stats to show our most dangerous player is actually only a bit more dangerous than our second top scorer.DOUCHER said:
there is no comparison - chucks is probably the most dangerous striker in league 1 and possibly the championship - his issues are about his body / ability to stay fit - if he does he is in a completely different league to washingtonDazzler21 said:
By minutes 1 in every 239 to Chuks 1 in every 92Todds_right_hook said:
Really? He has scored 1 in 10. Aneke scores every 88 mins, I know which one I would describe as a goal threatsammy391 said:Don’t get the anti-Washington vibe
hes a great team player, and has been our only consistent goal threat this season!
im not knocking Washington but I wouldn’t call him a goal threat
In addition to this he's only got away 19 shots to Aneke's 35. Making his goal conversion 32% to Chuks 26%.
If he gets away more shots, he either becomes
A- More of a goal threat
or
B - Equally/More wasteful than ChuksI also said I’m not knocking Washington as a player.Todds_right_hook said:im not knocking Washington but I wouldn’t call him a goal threatI meant our main goal threat! If you can’t interpret what I meant to say from what I actually said, then that’s on you 😂5 -
"Unintended consequences of the salary cap...."
Yeah, who would have thought that if you stifle the bottom of the food chain there will be problems further up.
The EFL really are thick as planks.22 -
7 according to someone at work who is a Rotherham fan. Was talking to him other day and said we needed one. I liked Curtis Tilt when he was at BlackpoolRedrobo said:According to transfer market Rotherham have 9 nine! Centre backs!4 -
Well, it was the EFL League One clubs who proposed and voted it in ....... by one single poxy vote.golfaddick said:"Unintended consequences of the salary cap...."
Yeah, who would have thought that if you stifle the bottom of the food chain there will be problems further up.
The EFL really are thick as planks.
Which is why this season Rochdale were equal to us. And Accrington were superior.
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ok i haven't really read the stats but conversion of chances is only part of the picture - getting into the positions to miss chances and being handed penalties are big factors - i do not see washington as any sort of threat but if you play up top for a team near the top you are bound to score a fewDazzler21 said:
You'll get no disagreement from me. We know Chuks is dangerous. The argument was that TRH felt Washington wasn't a goal threat... Not even arguing the constant bit, but converting 1 in 3 shots from Washington is a threat. I was using the stats to show our most dangerous player is actually only a bit more dangerous than our second top scorer.DOUCHER said:
there is no comparison - chucks is probably the most dangerous striker in league 1 and possibly the championship - his issues are about his body / ability to stay fit - if he does he is in a completely different league to washingtonDazzler21 said:
By minutes 1 in every 239 to Chuks 1 in every 92Todds_right_hook said:
Really? He has scored 1 in 10. Aneke scores every 88 mins, I know which one I would describe as a goal threatsammy391 said:Don’t get the anti-Washington vibe
hes a great team player, and has been our only consistent goal threat this season!
im not knocking Washington but I wouldn’t call him a goal threat
In addition to this he's only got away 19 shots to Aneke's 35. Making his goal conversion 32% to Chuks 26%.
If he gets away more shots, he either becomes
A- More of a goal threat
or
B - Equally/More wasteful than Chuks2
