For me, if we lose Williams and Maddison in addition to Bogle and Smyth, the four we have bought in so far is an upgrade. Another signing would be the icing on the cake.
For me, if we lose Williams and Maddison in addition to Bogle and Smyth, the four we have bought in so far is an upgrade. Another signing would be the icing on the cake.
Think it’s too early to say they’ve been an upgrade. Millar the only one who has started 2+ games and done well. I’m a little concerned about the creativity, definitely feel we need a winger/attacking midfielder if Williams and Maddison both leave.
A lot of people on here now saying he had to go lol'd me in November when I stated I didn't want him as he was not a team player. Such a lot of hot air and hubris on this site.
I think getting rid of Williams and Maddison is wise. They both haven't been playing enough to take up a space in the squad when we have our hands tied by the cap. Everyone calm down and wait and see what happens.
Remember that at the start of the season we came off a complete transfer embargo where we were lucky to sign Watson & Gilbey as the league had forgotten to inform the club. The cap came in and the embargo was lifted. We started the season without a complete squad and a team had to built quickly and within the cap regulations. We had lost Lockyer, Cullen, Phillips and Taylor - the backbone of the team.
In those circumstances I suggest you all give Bowyer and Gallen a big thank you and stop moaning that they didn't get it right every time and be thankful that they did get it right some of the time.
Maddison was always a risk, no one wanted him in Sept, we were desperate to get bodies in so took a flyer on him, it may have worked out, it didn't. Cutting our losses was always a high probability. He's now dropping down a division to Bolton who are fifth bottom of the whole EFL. For a player with his ability that tells you all you need to know, no one else is after him. Williams has always shown his best as an impact sub, would rather keep in the squad but a welsh team a league up come in for in, hard to keep him, he's not going to be the cornerstone of a promotion campaign so again best to move on and see if we can get someone else in. Seems like pragmatic business to me, use the resource we have to get player who contribute more in fingers crossed we can get that done today. Trust Bowyer and Gallen.
1. Failed Medical 2. Passed Medical subject to us replacing him. 3. Passed Medical and deal is done, but CAFC have rights to announce first. 4. Deal revoked as we're managing to move on another similarly paid player (For cap purposes) 5. Fax machine has gone down. All deals are off.
Remember that at the start of the season we came off a complete transfer embargo where we were lucky to sign Watson & Gilbey as the league had forgotten to inform the club.
I knew this was going to happen and that’s completely fair. I expected it. I posted it and get how people would be annoyed not sharing the whole information.
I did clearly say though that is not to be put on a public forum for all Tom, Dick, and Harry to see and read.
Cawley’s tweet backs up what I have said. The people blaming Bowyer for this is wrong. I am not going to share how I know that or why I know that. You just have to accept that’s my decision to make and to only inform you on what I am prepared to inform you about.
Okay, you can’t form a whole opinion on bits and pieces of information, you’re free to make your own assumptions and that is what you are doing. Rightly so.
But please, respect that something beyond the need of everyone to know has happened and Maddison leaving is best for everyone.
I am prepared for the stick, some may prefer me not to say anything at all. But others would like some bits of information, even if there is not a whole load of details in it. That’s what this forum is for.
Sage, if you've got a reasonable level of understanding and have listened to Bowyer's more than heavy hints you would already understand. Bowyer has already pretty much spelled it out.
Got a feeling this is just the beginning for a large part of the squad
Maddison especially going to Bolton will be a big message to the players that remain
Perform and represent the club to the standards we expect or we'll shed no tears about getting rid of you in the summer
Or to look at an alternative
Outgoings /possible outgoings in the window:
Bogle Nowhere near good enough but has suffered from Bowyers put downs in the media when Bowyer must have known what he was getting when he signed him.
Smyth Recalled by QPR
Doughty Refused a new contract
Maddison Criticised by Bowyer in the media the worst being "I don't care if he's seriously injured"
Williams Criticised by Bowyer in the media (praised as well at times) Rarely picked even when we're crying out for creativity & even as a sub when he's played well straight back on the bench next game. Wants to go to Cardiff
Last year M.Bonne Brought from Non league, leading scorer for us in Championship but still criticised by Bowyer in the media.
Maybe some players aren't playing for him & can't wait to get out, possibly his man management skills leave a lot to be desired. Criticise players when needed but do it behind closed doors not on sky sports /newspapers.
Lost out to Wycombe for Ofoborh Lost out to Wigan for Solomon-Otabor Couldn’t tempt Exeter with the Randall deal Missed out for whatever reason with Kirk Let go of Wiredu Trying to get rid of Williams Trying to get rid of Maddison Brought in a loanee from Arsenal
Same old Charlton.
New Charlton. You forgot the players we have signed this window. All an upgrade IMO.
All over 30 or on loan..........
......and?
Because if its a "new Charlton" we might actually want some of the players here next season?
Which is exactly what has happened the last few, actually many, seasons. If you bothered quoting/reading the rest of my comment you might actually understand that.
Every signing we have made since Thomas took over has been with the intention of getting promoted this season. You can't get over that fact. Or do you think Bowyer is going to improve Gunter and Watson so they rip league 1 a new one next season?
You can't use the argument it's a long term project to justify older players and short term loans?
I will repeat an earlier post. Williams - 7 starts, 18 points this season. MOTM performance, then dropped!
Team stats are the worst marker for individual performance. There are 21 other players on the pitch, two managers, three officials and God knows how many other factors, like who's in form, injuries, whose wife told them they want a divorce that morning, who got a penalty, who got sent off. It's not an accurate use of stats to post that like Williams was the defining factor. Or any player.
Got a feeling this is just the beginning for a large part of the squad
Maddison especially going to Bolton will be a big message to the players that remain
Perform and represent the club to the standards we expect or we'll shed no tears about getting rid of you in the summer
Or to look at an alternative
Outgoings /possible outgoings in the window:
Bogle Nowhere near good enough but has suffered from Bowyers put downs in the media when Bowyer must have known what he was getting when he signed him.
Smyth Recalled by QPR
Doughty Refused a new contract
Maddison Criticised by Bowyer in the media the worst being "I don't care if he's seriously injured"
Williams Criticised by Bowyer in the media (praised as well at times) Rarely picked even when we're crying out for creativity & even as a sub when he's played well straight back on the bench next game. Wants to go to Cardiff
Last year M.Bonne Brought from Non league, leading scorer for us in Championship but still criticised by Bowyer in the media.
Maybe some players aren't playing for him & can't wait to get out, possibly his man management skills leave a lot to be desired. Criticise players when needed but do it behind closed doors not on sky sports /newspapers.
So what are you getting at? In an ideal world what would you do? And let’s be frank who would you bring in to replace Bow?
Everything hinges on what replacements we get in. No one can think that losing Williams and Maddison, with no further additions, is good business at this point of the season, surely?
I think you have to ask yourself how many games would Williams and Maddison play or contribute during the remainder of the season. Clearly Maddison would not be playing and Williams probably just bit parts. So hopefully some descent replacements but I don't think its crucial.
With our injury record, bodies in the building is absolutely vital.
What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the story
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Then people who know the whole story should say.
Well then thats their right to tell or not ... Not mine to say it on their behalf
Wasnt there a comment about Dr Kish who knew about Coquelin (?) being recalled by Arsenal, didnt want his source at Sparrows Lane to get in trouble for passing on what was confidential information so "leaked" it to some Arsenal fan so they could report it as their own news.
Yes.
Chris Thompson was more interested in getting the information to everyone than score a cheap exclusive.
I’m not here to score a cheap exclusive. I’ve sat on this information for a few days at least, other members on here can verify that. I even PM a lifer on here to say I’m going to take the stick that will come and put out a post that will let people know it all comes down to Maddison and that Bowyer is not at fault.
People can be annoyed and rather I not say anything that’s genuinely fine with me. But I recognise that many others would be interested and appreciate it.
I appreciate all your insider input around injuries etc, but this feels like someone in the Bowyer camp is trying to keep you onside. If it's that bad it should be public knowledge of those that support the club and put money into it.
Bloody hell mate, when you're making yourself look daft, don't carry on.
It is more than possible the relationship has broken down and Maddison has not dealt with that maturely. He was always somebody who we thought needed to be managed. A bit similar to Curbs bringing DiCanio in (no comparison ability wise of course). But some players need more management than others. Obviously that extra effort needs to be worth its while.
Got a feeling this is just the beginning for a large part of the squad
Maddison especially going to Bolton will be a big message to the players that remain
Perform and represent the club to the standards we expect or we'll shed no tears about getting rid of you in the summer
Or to look at an alternative
Outgoings /possible outgoings in the window:
Bogle Nowhere near good enough but has suffered from Bowyers put downs in the media when Bowyer must have known what he was getting when he signed him.
Smyth Recalled by QPR
Doughty Refused a new contract
Maddison Criticised by Bowyer in the media the worst being "I don't care if he's seriously injured"
Williams Criticised by Bowyer in the media (praised as well at times) Rarely picked even when we're crying out for creativity & even as a sub when he's played well straight back on the bench next game. Wants to go to Cardiff
Last year M.Bonne Brought from Non league, leading scorer for us in Championship but still criticised by Bowyer in the media.
Maybe some players aren't playing for him & can't wait to get out, possibly his man management skills leave a lot to be desired. Criticise players when needed but do it behind closed doors not on sky sports /newspapers.
Bonne has gone on to do approximately fuck all in the championship so let's not pretend one swallow makes a summer there. He had a good season, he's not necessarily a good player - certainly not at Champ level yet.
Bogle was treated poorly but even so was pretty poor. Chicken/Egg at best with that.
Doughty refused to sign a contract. Was played nonetheless until injury, ended up making more on him than we would have if he'd waited to sod off to Scotland season's end.
Williams looks good but does not have any actual creativity. His goals/assists per game is poor. Nice guy but not actually bringing much to the table.
Maddison... We've heard a lot about. But at the very worst it sounds as if he has been just as much the sinner as the sinned against.
Bowyer definitely has made mistakes but not everything that goes wrong is just because "bAd MaNaGeMeNt."
The list also completely ignored the fact players have come IN as well.
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Another signing would be the icing on the cake.
In those circumstances I suggest you all give Bowyer and Gallen a big thank you and stop moaning that they didn't get it right every time and be thankful that they did get it right some of the time.
He's now dropping down a division to Bolton who are fifth bottom of the whole EFL. For a player with his ability that tells you all you need to know, no one else is after him.
Williams has always shown his best as an impact sub, would rather keep in the squad but a welsh team a league up come in for in, hard to keep him, he's not going to be the cornerstone of a promotion campaign so again best to move on and see if we can get someone else in.
Seems like pragmatic business to me, use the resource we have to get player who contribute more in fingers crossed we can get that done today. Trust Bowyer and Gallen.
Good chance of 1 or multiple of the following:
1. Failed Medical
2. Passed Medical subject to us replacing him.
3. Passed Medical and deal is done, but CAFC have rights to announce first.
4. Deal revoked as we're managing to move on another similarly paid player (For cap purposes)
5. Fax machine has gone down. All deals are off.
Outgoings /possible outgoings in the window:
Bogle Nowhere near good enough but has suffered from Bowyers put downs in the media when Bowyer must have known what he was getting when he signed him.
Smyth Recalled by QPR
Doughty Refused a new contract
Maddison Criticised by Bowyer in the media the worst being "I don't care if he's seriously injured"
Williams Criticised by Bowyer in the media (praised as well at times) Rarely picked even when we're crying out for creativity & even as a sub when he's played well straight back on the bench next game. Wants to go to Cardiff
Last year
M.Bonne Brought from Non league, leading scorer for us in Championship but still criticised by Bowyer in the media.
Maybe some players aren't playing for him & can't wait to get out, possibly his man management skills leave a lot to be desired. Criticise players when needed but do it behind closed doors not on sky sports /newspapers.
Which is exactly what has happened the last few, actually many, seasons. If you bothered quoting/reading the rest of my comment you might actually understand that.
Every signing we have made since Thomas took over has been with the intention of getting promoted this season. You can't get over that fact. Or do you think Bowyer is going to improve Gunter and Watson so they rip league 1 a new one next season?
You can't use the argument it's a long term project to justify older players and short term loans?
Bogle was treated poorly but even so was pretty poor. Chicken/Egg at best with that.
Doughty refused to sign a contract. Was played nonetheless until injury, ended up making more on him than we would have if he'd waited to sod off to Scotland season's end.
Williams looks good but does not have any actual creativity. His goals/assists per game is poor. Nice guy but not actually bringing much to the table.
Maddison... We've heard a lot about. But at the very worst it sounds as if he has been just as much the sinner as the sinned against.
Bowyer definitely has made mistakes but not everything that goes wrong is just because "bAd MaNaGeMeNt."
The list also completely ignored the fact players have come IN as well.