Got a feeling this is just the beginning for a large part of the squad
Maddison especially going to Bolton will be a big message to the players that remain
Perform and represent the club to the standards we expect or we'll shed no tears about getting rid of you in the summer
Or to look at an alternative
Outgoings /possible outgoings in the window:
Bogle Nowhere near good enough but has suffered from Bowyers put downs in the media when Bowyer must have known what he was getting when he signed him.
Smyth Recalled by QPR
Doughty Refused a new contract
Maddison Criticised by Bowyer in the media the worst being "I don't care if he's seriously injured"
Williams Criticised by Bowyer in the media (praised as well at times) Rarely picked even when we're crying out for creativity & even as a sub when he's played well straight back on the bench next game. Wants to go to Cardiff
Last year M.Bonne Brought from Non league, leading scorer for us in Championship but still criticised by Bowyer in the media.
Maybe some players aren't playing for him & can't wait to get out, possibly his man management skills leave a lot to be desired. Criticise players when needed but do it behind closed doors not on sky sports /newspapers.
Nah, firm management of those who cannot reach the required standard of performance set by Bowyer. Sidelining the weak and disruptive elements so they do not contaminate the team that can. Making it public so everyone knows that those who do not put in the effort have their issues addressed and that shirking is not acceptable. Isolating them gives those that can a huge lift in knowing that they are better, plus the knowledge that they will not need to carry them improves performance. Increases togetherness and team spirit. Strength is the team, and the best team wins. No individual can be allowed to disrupt that. 😉
What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the story
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Then people who know the whole story should say.
Well then thats their right to tell or not ... Not mine to say it on their behalf
Wasnt there a comment about Dr Kish who knew about Coquelin (?) being recalled by Arsenal, didnt want his source at Sparrows Lane to get in trouble for passing on what was confidential information so "leaked" it to some Arsenal fan so they could report it as their own news.
Yes.
Chris Thompson was more interested in getting the information to everyone than score a cheap exclusive.
I’m not here to score a cheap exclusive. I’ve sat on this information for a few days at least, other members on here can verify that. I even PM a lifer on here to say I’m going to take the stick that will come and put out a post that will let people know it all comes down to Maddison and that Bowyer is not at fault.
People can be annoyed and rather I not say anything that’s genuinely fine with me. But I recognise that many others would be interested and appreciate it.
I appreciate all your insider input around injuries etc, but this feels like someone in the Bowyer camp is trying to keep you onside. If it's that bad it should be public knowledge of those that support the club and put money into it.
This is some real conspiracy theorist twisting. Sage has never posted anything like this before and I'm inclined to believe them. Which is more likely: the so-called 'Bowyer camp' have started feeding fake tidbits of information to forum users to create a conspiracy so a player who's played 8 games can be bundled out of the club without the fans rioting, or you've spent the day criticising Bowyer and Loling posts that you don't agree with and now might be feeling a bit silly if it turns out Maddison leaving is down to him not behaving himself properly, which is something he has a storied history of?
What I heard is that he has pretended to be injured on numerous occasions in training and trudged off to the medical room and left the other players training. He's then on his arse in bed later on with no confirmed injury and posting bollox on social media. Imagine players seeing a team mate do that not once but twice hasn't gone down well. The medical team know he's a lazy bullshitter, the manager knows it, and now the players know it.
I heard similar, heard he refused a scan after his so called injury in the game he was hauled off for shirking out of a challenge.
I really rate his talent, just appears to be everything else about him is not right for Charlton which is a great shame really.
What I think a few users could do with a little self reminder on is that sometimes less can be more. We do seem to be getting an increase of the same people making the same points. Not specific to this thread, also across the Charlton ones as well. Sometimes a little bit of keeping yourself in check to ensure you’re not dominating a thread or topic can go a long way. We’re all guilty of it at times.
What I think a few users could do with a little self reminder on is that sometimes less can be more. We do seem to be getting an increase of the same people making the same points. Not specific to this thread, also across the Charlton ones as well. Sometimes a little bit of keeping yourself in check to ensure you’re not dominating a thread or topic can go a long way. We’re all guilty of it at times.
What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the story
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Then people who know the whole story should say.
Well then thats their right to tell or not ... Not mine to say it on their behalf
Wasnt there a comment about Dr Kish who knew about Coquelin (?) being recalled by Arsenal, didnt want his source at Sparrows Lane to get in trouble for passing on what was confidential information so "leaked" it to some Arsenal fan so they could report it as their own news.
Yes.
Chris Thompson was more interested in getting the information to everyone than score a cheap exclusive.
I’m not here to score a cheap exclusive. I’ve sat on this information for a few days at least, other members on here can verify that. I even PM a lifer on here to say I’m going to take the stick that will come and put out a post that will let people know it all comes down to Maddison and that Bowyer is not at fault.
People can be annoyed and rather I not say anything that’s genuinely fine with me. But I recognise that many others would be interested and appreciate it.
I appreciate all your insider input around injuries etc, but this feels like someone in the Bowyer camp is trying to keep you onside. If it's that bad it should be public knowledge of those that support the club and put money into it.
This is some real conspiracy theorist twisting. Sage has never posted anything like this before and I'm inclined to believe them. Which is more likely: the so-called 'Bowyer camp' have started feeding fake tidbits of information to forum users to create a conspiracy so a player who's played 8 games can be bundled out of the club without the fans rioting, or you've spent the day criticising Bowyer and Loling posts that you don't agree with and now might be feeling a bit silly if it turns out Maddison leaving is down to him not behaving himself properly, which is something he has a storied history of?
What I heard is that he has pretended to be injured on numerous occasions in training and trudged off to the medical room and left the other players training. He's then on his arse in bed later on with no confirmed injury and posting bollox on social media. Imagine players seeing a team mate do that not once but twice hasn't gone down well. The medical team know he's a lazy bullshitter, the manager knows it, and now the players know it.
Everyone knows it bar a couple of people who inexplicably condone it. But if you're spearheading the Bowyer out campaign I suppose you don't want to lose face.
Looks like we’ve been keeping our poker face throughout the day, we’re at a point now where teams can call our bluff and make us pay up or we’ll end up empty handed.
I will re-iterate I think the reason people are concerned is right now it looks like we may lose both MM & JW (probably for the better for MM according to Sage and RC) and we may not replace them with anyone.
So long as we get in a decent replacement that can play their roles LM/CAM then I see it as a positive window on the whole.
Bow and Gallen will get my congratulations.
Completely agree and I would be a bit disappointed if we don't manage to bring someone else to replace. On the whole though I don't think we can view the window as a bad one regardless and some of the concern is probably a form of PTSD following what we have experienced under previous owners.
What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the story
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Then people who know the whole story should say.
Well then thats their right to tell or not ... Not mine to say it on their behalf
Wasnt there a comment about Dr Kish who knew about Coquelin (?) being recalled by Arsenal, didnt want his source at Sparrows Lane to get in trouble for passing on what was confidential information so "leaked" it to some Arsenal fan so they could report it as their own news.
Yes.
Chris Thompson was more interested in getting the information to everyone than score a cheap exclusive.
I’m not here to score a cheap exclusive. I’ve sat on this information for a few days at least, other members on here can verify that. I even PM a lifer on here to say I’m going to take the stick that will come and put out a post that will let people know it all comes down to Maddison and that Bowyer is not at fault.
People can be annoyed and rather I not say anything that’s genuinely fine with me. But I recognise that many others would be interested and appreciate it.
I appreciate all your insider input around injuries etc, but this feels like someone in the Bowyer camp is trying to keep you onside. If it's that bad it should be public knowledge of those that support the club and put money into it.
This is some real conspiracy theorist twisting. Sage has never posted anything like this before and I'm inclined to believe them. Which is more likely: the so-called 'Bowyer camp' have started feeding fake tidbits of information to forum users to create a conspiracy so a player who's played 8 games can be bundled out of the club without the fans rioting, or you've spent the day criticising Bowyer and Loling posts that you don't agree with and now might be feeling a bit silly if it turns out Maddison leaving is down to him not behaving himself properly, which is something he has a storied history of?
What I heard is that he has pretended to be injured on numerous occasions in training and trudged off to the medical room and left the other players training. He's then on his arse in bed later on with no confirmed injury and posting bollox on social media. Imagine players seeing a team mate do that not once but twice hasn't gone down well. The medical team know he's a lazy bullshitter, the manager knows it, and now the players know it.
Everyone knows it bar a couple of people who inexplicably condone it. But if you're spearheading the Bowyer out campaign I suppose you don't want to lose face.
If the situation was that bad why take him to Hull, for example, and name him on the bench, or bring him on against Accrington?
I don't think anyone "spearheading any campaign" has suggested he played since?
Iirc the criticism was of playing neither him nor Williams when both were on the bench. If they were so "broken" why not stick one of the u23s on the bench?
Boss disappointed with unofficial agent meddling on deadline day.
David Artell has again reiterated that an agent who is not officially associated to Charlie Kirk has again meddled in the club’s affairs on deadline day.
Kirk has been linked with League One side Charlton Athletic earlier today and Artell told the club’s official website at his press briefing: “All I will say about that is that the same agent, who tried to get involved in another deal earlier this month, is trying to get involved again.
I remember thinking that the Maddison injury was one of the strangest I've seen. He was standing still and then all of a sudden writhing on the floor. Makes sense now.
Looked more like a strop than an injury, I thought at the time...
So what happens if Williams and MM stay, as their moves fall through?
2 players who know we don;t want them, left to wander around the training ground? Can't imagine Maddison's attitude will get better in that situation.
I don't think there's any indication that we don't want Jonny. He's not been shopped around everywhere, a Championship team managed by someone who previously had him in his team has made a bid. His contract is up at the end of the season so it's a decent deal all round. I'm sure if it doesn't go through for whatever reason we'll still see Jonny in the team up to the end of the season
I remember thinking that the Maddison injury was one of the strangest I've seen. He was standing still and then all of a sudden writhing on the floor. Makes sense now.
Looked more like a strop than an injury, I thought at the time...
That’s exactly what I thought. It looked like a player who didn’t really fancy being on the pitch, pulling up. And I think Bowyer thought the same going by his reaction after the game.
January - Doughty - Gone February - Williams - Potentially Gone. March - Amos - Still here now but contract will be up. April - Watson - Might just be back from injury May - Pratley - Still here now but contract will be up. June - Morgan - Still here July - Bowyer - Still here August - Maddison - Still here now but contract will be up & potentially gone. September - Vennings - Why is he in it? Still here now but contract will be up. October - Purrington - Still here. November - Washington - Still here. December - Gilbey - Still here.
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’blokes talented but a massive prick who loves shit tattoos and 3am McDonald’s runs’
I really rate his talent, just appears to be everything else about him is not right for Charlton which is a great shame really.
But if you're spearheading the Bowyer out campaign I suppose you don't want to lose face.
2 players who know we don;t want them, left to wander around the training ground? Can't imagine Maddison's attitude will get better in that situation.
Plan E ???
Better for them and us that they don't hang around like a bad smell if that situation occurs.
Also a good lesson for the management team all the way up to TS about replacing players adequately before selling/moving on what you have.
I don't think anyone "spearheading any campaign" has suggested he played since?
Iirc the criticism was of playing neither him nor Williams when both were on the bench. If they were so "broken" why not stick one of the u23s on the bench?
For the record I am absolutely not ITK.
I realise I am clutching at straws but the quote from David Artell quoting the story on their official site has been removed from that site.
It is still available on Google's cache
Boss disappointed with unofficial agent meddling on deadline day.
David Artell has again reiterated that an agent who is not officially associated to Charlie Kirk has again meddled in the club’s affairs on deadline day.
Kirk has been linked with League One side Charlton Athletic earlier today and Artell told the club’s official website at his press briefing: “All I will say about that is that the same agent, who tried to get involved in another deal earlier this month, is trying to get involved again.
Should it just be an IT blip apologies - here is the link just in case my post looks silly in a few minutes - https://www.crewealex.net/news/2021/february/artell-on-kirk-link/
January - Doughty - Gone
February - Williams - Potentially Gone.
March - Amos - Still here now but contract will be up.
April - Watson - Might just be back from injury
May - Pratley - Still here now but contract will be up.
June - Morgan - Still here
July - Bowyer - Still here
August - Maddison - Still here now but contract will be up & potentially gone.
September - Vennings - Why is he in it? Still here now but contract will be up.
October - Purrington - Still here.
November - Washington - Still here.
December - Gilbey - Still here.