Everything hinges on what replacements we get in. No one can think that losing Williams and Maddison, with no further additions, is good business at this point of the season, surely?
But neither have actually gone yet. And there's still time for more to sign. The window up til today for me was net positive (not by much, but still positive). The time to judge is once everything is done.
Exactly, neither have gone yet and because of the salary cap one may have to before we can bring anyone else in!
What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the story
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Then people who know the whole story should say.
Well then thats their right to tell or not ... Not mine to say it on their behalf
Wasnt there a comment about Dr Kish who knew about Coquelin (?) being recalled by Arsenal, didnt want his source at Sparrows Lane to get in trouble for passing on what was confidential information so "leaked" it to some Arsenal fan so they could report it as their own news.
Yes.
Chris Thompson was more interested in getting the information to everyone than score a cheap exclusive.
I’m not here to score a cheap exclusive. I’ve sat on this information for a few days at least, other members on here can verify that. I even PM a lifer on here to say I’m going to take the stick that will come and put out a post that will let people know it all comes down to Maddison and that Bowyer is not at fault.
People can be annoyed and rather I not say anything that’s genuinely fine with me. But I recognise that many others would be interested and appreciate it.
Everything hinges on what replacements we get in. No one can think that losing Williams and Maddison, with no further additions, is good business at this point of the season, surely?
I think you have to ask yourself how many games would Williams and Maddison play or contribute during the remainder of the season. Clearly Maddison would not be playing and Williams probably just bit parts. So hopefully some descent replacements but I don't think its crucial.
My understanding is a big chunk of his squad dislike him. This can happen in football, and it isn't always necessary to be liked as long as you are respected, but a manager who is always right, never apologises and blames others when things go wrong generally finds it hard to change that dynamic.
Williams disliked Bowyer so much he chose to trigger an extension. Maddison too signed a contract. I think it's probably mutual by now.
I've managed hundreds of people in my working life and I always found the good workers and I got on really well. The staff I had to pull up for poor performance or pretending to be sick weren't in my fan club and neither was I in their's.
Managers are paid to manage, if your team aren't performing then you address it. Shape up or ship out.
What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the story
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Then people who know the whole story should say.
Well then thats their right to tell or not ... Not mine to say it on their behalf
Wasnt there a comment about Dr Kish who knew about Coquelin (?) being recalled by Arsenal, didnt want his source at Sparrows Lane to get in trouble for passing on what was confidential information so "leaked" it to some Arsenal fan so they could report it as their own news.
Yes.
Chris Thompson was more interested in getting the information to everyone than score a cheap exclusive.
I’m not here to score a cheap exclusive. I’ve sat on this information for a few days at least, other members on here can verify that. I even PM a lifer on here to say I’m going to take the stick that will come and put out a post that will let people know it all comes down to Maddison and that Bowyer is not at fault.
People can be annoyed and rather I not say anything that’s genuinely fine with me. But I recognise that many others would be interested and appreciate it.
I appreciate all your insider input around injuries etc, but this feels like someone in the Bowyer camp is trying to keep you onside. If it's that bad it should be public knowledge of those that support the club and put money into it.
Maddison has started FOUR league games for us, and come off the bench 4 times.
He played reasonably well against Wimbledon and Swindon, scores that wonder goal off the bench vs Plymouth, and his reward was to not feature at all vs Hull
Then in the next game he injures himself after coming off the bench, and his manager says he doesn't care if he's injured because he pulled out of a tackle.
Maddison may be an arsehole - none of us know the truth - but he's hardly been managed well either or given a fair chance to show what he can do, when the likes of Bogle, Gilbey and Watson have played far more games without exactly covering themselves in glory.
Anyone who blames Bowyer for Maddison leaving and not being successful whilst here is fully entitled to your own opinion. However, it’s incredibly difficult to form any kind of opinion when you just don’t understand what has happened behind the scenes.
If and when the story comes out, everyone who has sided with Maddison will wonder what was going through their mind to question the decisions Bowyer makes.
I am not in a position to put a public forum the situation. But what I will say is Maddison does not want to be here anymore and is not committed to the cause. When that is the case, it’s best to get rid. No matter how talented that individual may be with a football at their feet.
I am with Bowyer 100% and all I can say is, good riddance.
I’ll have to add this to the list of players that I was really excited about and expected to do so, so we’ll for us
Thanks for posting this info, Bowyer takes enough pelters from people who know nothing about situations at the club so good to see someone who knows something back him. Bowyer IS committed to our club.
Lost out to Wycombe for Ofoborh Lost out to Wigan for Solomon-Otabor Couldn’t tempt Exeter with the Randall deal Missed out for whatever reason with Kirk Let go of Wiredu Trying to get rid of Williams Trying to get rid of Maddison Brought in a loanee from Arsenal
Same old Charlton.
So far... Signed Millar who’s been our best player the last few weeks. Signed a championship striker on loan who is better than Bogle the one we got rid of. Tempted an Arsenal loanee away from a side who’s supporters say was their best player. Linked with several other players and still have time to sign them.
Agree with your first two points.
3rd point - didn't the Swindon manager want rid.
4th point - trying to get players and not getting them is not a positive. If we sign someone now who is not those 3 then we know he is was at least 4th choice.
Point 3, I’m more making the point that Swindon fans loved him and are gutted he’s gone.
Point 4, with respect, we don’t know that. What’s to say they didn’t see newly owned transfer hungry charlton come along ate chance their luck with silly fees/wages. Could be that bowyer wanted someone better within the price range, many other variables here.
There's obviously more to it than meets the eye, but Maddison going to Bolton is the equivalent of my Sunday league team who had a ringer who was on the books at Palace
Anyone who blames Bowyer for Maddison leaving and not being successful whilst here is fully entitled to your own opinion. However, it’s incredibly difficult to form any kind of opinion when you just don’t understand what has happened behind the scenes.
If and when the story comes out, everyone who has sided with Maddison will wonder what was going through their mind to question the decisions Bowyer makes.
I am not in a position to put a public forum the situation. But what I will say is Maddison does not want to be here anymore and is not committed to the cause. When that is the case, it’s best to get rid. No matter how talented that individual may be with a football at their feet.
I am with Bowyer 100% and all I can say is, good riddance.
It's odds on that Maddison feigned injury, when that excuse ran out, he feigned illness and when that ran out he said he'd been close to someone with Covid. He doesn't want to play for Charlton and Bowyer doesn't want this disruptive bad apple. The best solution is to get rid asap to any other poor saps that will take him (only lower L2 it looks like).
A few weeks ago, I would have been most unhappy about MM moving and would have placed the blame squarely at LB's door. However, I am now hoping that we get shot, free up wages and get someone else in more professional as it is pointless him being in our squad as things stand.
So, what changed?
My opinion on MM took a decisive shift when Sage posted some links to articles dissecting how his relationship with Peterborough broke down. Pretty damning stuff. He made some very questionable decisions to say the least; people who bent over backwards to help him were shat on, quite frankly. No wonder they were glad to see the back of him.
It appears that he is a very talented footballer, but with all the brains of a marmite sandwich and extremely questionable judgement. He clearly cannot be trusted and when that becomes apparent, then things are well and truly broken.
History is simply repeating itself; it is clear that MM will always find a way to f**k up any 'new start' that he is given by letting people down.
If so much of the squad don’t get on with bowyer maybe he mite have to go this shit can’t keep happening.
What keeps happening?
Oztumer Fosu Williams Maddison. Bowyer prefers robots to skill
Oztumer had a good 45 minutes in one match. Done fuck all else. Did nothing at Bolton before us, done nothing at Bristol Rovers after us.
Fosu good for us for a season, done well since, the only one you’d say in this list may have been a reeal let down that Bows couldn’t get him onside.
Williams mediocre start with us. Great cameo at Wembley. Excellent 1st month in the Championship but not hit those heights since. Constantly injured but there’s never been a hint he hasn’t been happy or trying for Bows. Bowyer has continued picking him even after publicly criticizing and is on record as loving Williams. Has looked decent without producing a lot of goals or assists at all his former clubs, similar to his time here.
Maddison. Obviously a complete bell end who was in poor form at Posh when they let him go, did nothing at Hull and has scored 1 good goal for us and done absolutely fuck all else positive.
These players have taken on some kind of mythical status in the eyes of some fans and have become a stick to beat Bowyer with, but there’s really not a lot of foundation to the idea that Bowyer is the problem when you look at the fact that only Fosu has really delivered elsewhere in recent times. Maddison’s record at Peterborough is become a fast fading memory.
What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the story
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Then people who know the whole story should say.
Well then thats their right to tell or not ... Not mine to say it on their behalf
Wasnt there a comment about Dr Kish who knew about Coquelin (?) being recalled by Arsenal, didnt want his source at Sparrows Lane to get in trouble for passing on what was confidential information so "leaked" it to some Arsenal fan so they could report it as their own news.
Yes.
Chris Thompson was more interested in getting the information to everyone than score a cheap exclusive.
I’m not here to score a cheap exclusive. I’ve sat on this information for a few days at least, other members on here can verify that. I even PM a lifer on here to say I’m going to take the stick that will come and put out a post that will let people know it all comes down to Maddison and that Bowyer is not at fault.
People can be annoyed and rather I not say anything that’s genuinely fine with me. But I recognise that many others would be interested and appreciate it.
@sage I wasn't having a dig at you . You are one of my favourite posters .
I was just verifying how Chris managed to both protect his source and managed to get the information out there even though Dr Kish would not have got credit for it .
As a result Dr K was respected and is now much missed .
Anyone who blames Bowyer for Maddison leaving and not being successful whilst here is fully entitled to your own opinion. However, it’s incredibly difficult to form any kind of opinion when you just don’t understand what has happened behind the scenes.
If and when the story comes out, everyone who has sided with Maddison will wonder what was going through their mind to question the decisions Bowyer makes.
I am not in a position to put a public forum the situation. But what I will say is Maddison does not want to be here anymore and is not committed to the cause. When that is the case, it’s best to get rid. No matter how talented that individual may be with a football at their feet.
I am with Bowyer 100% and all I can say is, good riddance.
It's odds on that Maddison feigned injury, when that excuse ran out, he feigned illness and when that ran out he said he'd been close to someone with Covid. He doesn't want to play for Charlton and Bowyer doesn't want this disruptive bad apple. The best solution is to get rid asap to any other poor saps that will take him (only lower L2 it looks like).
According to the News story those incidents seemed to happen in reverse.
1. ill 2. Told to isolate after being near someone with covid 3. Ankle injury that Bowyer didn't care about.
Maybe he didn't care because Maddison wasn't really injured... Maybe he really was...
I'm going to stop talking about MM and JW now unless they go and we don't replace them.
Not sure how anyone can comment on how fair a chance Maddison (or anyone else) has had without seeing the work put in on the training ground. We heard after the restart last year that Williams was not getting into the squad because he hadn't been training well at that point
Maybe its best to get rid of Maddison, but that begs the question why sign him in the first place? Excuse me for thinking its not cracking business signing a player and shipping him after 4 months.
Lost out to Wycombe for Ofoborh Lost out to Wigan for Solomon-Otabor Couldn’t tempt Exeter with the Randall deal Missed out for whatever reason with Kirk Let go of Wiredu Trying to get rid of Williams Trying to get rid of Maddison Brought in a loanee from Arsenal
Same old Charlton.
New Charlton. You forgot the players we have signed this window. All an upgrade IMO.
All over 30 or on loan.......... You can see why some glasses aren't as rose tinted as yours.
Bowyer could probably play Amos on the left wing and you would claim it was a revolutionary master stroke.
WHEN we start winning games regularly and WHEN we start actually rebuilding the squad properly more people will start being positive. When not if. It will happen.
Until we actually do it it's just noise isn't it?
Roland nearly signed Max Gradel and Southall tried to sign Toney (if you believed either of them, more fool you) at the moment Thomas nearly signed some blokes from Crewe and Exeter that half of us had never heard of.
Bowyer said if he signs the players he wanted we would get in the play offs. According to Lee we did, now 3 months later he has got rid of 4 of them.
I'm terms of what has happened, so far, it is same old same old, just with better PR?
Of course I am greatful that Thomas saved us and fully aware that six months ago we nearly didn't have a club but surely, even if you don't agree, you can see where people are coming from.
I’ve been critical of Bowyer, and like every other human I’ve come across, he has his faults. He took a gamble on Maddison and it hasn’t paid off. I never saw him as a Bowyer type of player and I’m not surprised he appears to be leaving. Bowyer has to take responsibility for the gamble failing, we can’t really afford it under the cap.
Having said that, I back him 100% on this. Maddison doesn’t really want to play for us I don’t think and it’s best he moves on. Bowyer has done a lot for this club and you cannot doubt his passion and determination, Maddison doesn’t share those qualities. So although it was a failure that Bows has to take blame for (benefit of hindsight too admittedly), he doesn’t deserve any criticism for correcting that wrong now IMO.
What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the story
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Then people who know the whole story should say.
Well then thats their right to tell or not ... Not mine to say it on their behalf
Wasnt there a comment about Dr Kish who knew about Coquelin (?) being recalled by Arsenal, didnt want his source at Sparrows Lane to get in trouble for passing on what was confidential information so "leaked" it to some Arsenal fan so they could report it as their own news.
Yes.
Chris Thompson was more interested in getting the information to everyone than score a cheap exclusive.
I’m not here to score a cheap exclusive. I’ve sat on this information for a few days at least, other members on here can verify that. I even PM a lifer on here to say I’m going to take the stick that will come and put out a post that will let people know it all comes down to Maddison and that Bowyer is not at fault.
People can be annoyed and rather I not say anything that’s genuinely fine with me. But I recognise that many others would be interested and appreciate it.
I appreciate all your insider input around injuries etc, but this feels like someone in the Bowyer camp is trying to keep you onside. If it's that bad it should be public knowledge of those that support the club and put money into it.
This is some real conspiracy theorist twisting. Sage has never posted anything like this before and I'm inclined to believe them. Which is more likely: the so-called 'Bowyer camp' have started feeding fake tidbits of information to forum users to create a conspiracy so a player who's played 8 games can be bundled out of the club without the fans rioting, or you've spent the day criticising Bowyer and Loling posts that you don't agree with and now might be feeling a bit silly if it turns out Maddison leaving is down to him not behaving himself properly, which is something he has a storied history of?
Maybe its best to get rid of Maddison, but that begs the question why sign him in the first place? Excuse me for thinking its not cracking business signing a player and shipping him after 4 months.
We had been after Maddison in January, so it's not as if he was a relative unknown to Bowyer and Gallen that we had to take a punt on due to lack of options in the time remaining (which is a reasonable excuse for Bogle)
Lost out to Wycombe for Ofoborh Lost out to Wigan for Solomon-Otabor Couldn’t tempt Exeter with the Randall deal Missed out for whatever reason with Kirk Let go of Wiredu Trying to get rid of Williams Trying to get rid of Maddison Brought in a loanee from Arsenal
Same old Charlton.
New Charlton. You forgot the players we have signed this window. All an upgrade IMO.
Lost out to Wycombe for Ofoborh Lost out to Wigan for Solomon-Otabor Couldn’t tempt Exeter with the Randall deal Missed out for whatever reason with Kirk Let go of Wiredu Trying to get rid of Williams Trying to get rid of Maddison Brought in a loanee from Arsenal
Same old Charlton.
New Charlton. You forgot the players we have signed this window. All an upgrade IMO.
All over 30 or on loan..........
what’s the relevance of that though? January never has been the best time to build a squad for the future. It purely needs to be a window where we build the best possible team to get us top 6 and hopefully even more?
My understanding is a big chunk of his squad dislike him. This can happen in football, and it isn't always necessary to be liked as long as you are respected, but a manager who is always right, never apologises and blames others when things go wrong generally finds it hard to change that dynamic.
Williams disliked Bowyer so much he chose to trigger an extension. Maddison too signed a contract. I think it's probably mutual by now.
I've managed hundreds of people in my working life and I always found the good workers and I got on really well. The staff I had to pull up for poor performance or pretending to be sick weren't in my fan club and neither was I in there.
Managers are paid to manage, if your team aren't performing then you address it. Shape up or ship out.
So have I and I pride myself how I managed to turn around the careers of people who were not considered to be any good. I was used to bring failing teams up and I always did it bringing staff along with me. It is harder to do that with failing teams and it takes time and trust. In grass roots football I turned a second from bottom team at the mid point of the season that was playing 3 divisions lower the previous season to finish third and win the cup. So we both have experience of management.
I am not trying to say I must be right about Bowyer because I have successfully managed staff in totally different scenarios. But you seem to be so I'd thought I'd counter that with my own experience.
Sage is not sharing what he knows. I am sure he knows something that might not shed the best light on Maddison. I don't doubt that. But I do know what Bowyer publicly said about him and it was damning.
I also know of a couple of players, one experienced, one young who are not happy with Bowyer's management and behaviours this season and have spoken out privately about them. I have discussed privately with other posters and we agreed it was not helpful to name them. It isn't but there are two sides to this coin and it is important to know that.
Anyone who blames Bowyer for Maddison leaving and not being successful whilst here is fully entitled to your own opinion. However, it’s incredibly difficult to form any kind of opinion when you just don’t understand what has happened behind the scenes.
If and when the story comes out, everyone who has sided with Maddison will wonder what was going through their mind to question the decisions Bowyer makes.
I am not in a position to put a public forum the situation. But what I will say is Maddison does not want to be here anymore and is not committed to the cause. When that is the case, it’s best to get rid. No matter how talented that individual may be with a football at their feet.
I am with Bowyer 100% and all I can say is, good riddance.
Totally agree......but you have to ask yourself why Maddison doesn't want to be here anymore...? Might it be because his manager publicly slated him & when asked about his injury said he couldn't care.
Loyalty works both ways.
I think you’ll find the problem with Maddison came before that and we were then in final straw territory. I don’t know anything but think it’s all been blatantly obvious to see.
It's blatantly obvious to some and yet others are still clueless. Maddison was rarely injured before he joined us and yet he was out for some time from the off. I suggest there's been a problem with him from the off. I can't understand why the minority want a bad egg who upsets the team ethos and tries to drag everyone down .
Another thing on Maddison. Half of Posh’s fans couldn’t stand him. Can you imagine having a midfielder who regularly got 20 to 30 goals + assists in a season and him not be universally liked, or even be thought of as one of the club’s best ever players? What kind of almighty great tool must you have to be to be that good and still disliked by your own supporters?
I suspect the only thing Bowyer is guilty of here is hubris in thinking he could be the one to change Maddison into a functioning human being.
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People can be annoyed and rather I not say anything that’s genuinely fine with me. But I recognise that many others would be interested and appreciate it.
Clearly Maddison would not be playing and Williams probably just bit parts.
So hopefully some descent replacements but I don't think its crucial.
Maddison too signed a contract.
I think it's probably mutual by now.
I've managed hundreds of people in my working life and I always found the good workers and I got on really well.
The staff I had to pull up for poor performance or pretending to be sick weren't in my fan club and neither was I in their's.
Managers are paid to manage, if your team aren't performing then you address it.
Shape up or ship out.
He played reasonably well against Wimbledon and Swindon, scores that wonder goal off the bench vs Plymouth, and his reward was to not feature at all vs Hull
Then in the next game he injures himself after coming off the bench, and his manager says he doesn't care if he's injured because he pulled out of a tackle.
Maddison may be an arsehole - none of us know the truth - but he's hardly been managed well either or given a fair chance to show what he can do, when the likes of Bogle, Gilbey and Watson have played far more games without exactly covering themselves in glory.
Thanks for posting this info, Bowyer takes enough pelters from people who know nothing about situations at the club so good to see someone who knows something back him. Bowyer IS committed to our club.
Point 4, with respect, we don’t know that. What’s to say they didn’t see newly owned transfer hungry charlton come along ate chance their luck with silly fees/wages. Could be that bowyer wanted someone better within the price range, many other variables here.
The best solution is to get rid asap to any other poor saps that will take him (only lower L2 it looks like).
So, what changed?
My opinion on MM took a decisive shift when Sage posted some links to articles dissecting how his relationship with Peterborough broke down. Pretty damning stuff. He made some very questionable decisions to say the least; people who bent over backwards to help him were shat on, quite frankly. No wonder they were glad to see the back of him.
It appears that he is a very talented footballer, but with all the brains of a marmite sandwich and extremely questionable judgement. He clearly cannot be trusted and when that becomes apparent, then things are well and truly broken.
History is simply repeating itself; it is clear that MM will always find a way to f**k up any 'new start' that he is given by letting people down.
It's what he does.
We get shot, we move on.
Fosu good for us for a season, done well since, the only one you’d say in this list may have been a reeal let down that Bows couldn’t get him onside.
Williams mediocre start with us. Great cameo at Wembley. Excellent 1st month in the Championship but not hit those heights since. Constantly injured but there’s never been a hint he hasn’t been happy or trying for Bows. Bowyer has continued picking him even after publicly criticizing and is on record as loving Williams. Has looked decent without producing a lot of goals or assists at all his former clubs, similar to his time here.
Maddison. Obviously a complete bell end who was in poor form at Posh when they let him go, did nothing at Hull and has scored 1 good goal for us and done absolutely fuck all else positive.
I was just verifying how Chris managed to both protect his source and managed to get the information out there even though Dr Kish would not have got credit for it .
As a result Dr K was respected and is now much missed .
1. ill
2. Told to isolate after being near someone with covid
3. Ankle injury that Bowyer didn't care about.
Maybe he didn't care because Maddison wasn't really injured... Maybe he really was...
I'm going to stop talking about MM and JW now unless they go and we don't replace them.
Bowyer could probably play Amos on the left wing and you would claim it was a revolutionary master stroke.
WHEN we start winning games regularly and WHEN we start actually rebuilding the squad properly more people will start being positive. When not if. It will happen.
Until we actually do it it's just noise isn't it?
Roland nearly signed Max Gradel and Southall tried to sign Toney (if you believed either of them, more fool you) at the moment Thomas nearly signed some blokes from Crewe and Exeter that half of us had never heard of.
Bowyer said if he signs the players he wanted we would get in the play offs. According to Lee we did, now 3 months later he has got rid of 4 of them.
I'm terms of what has happened, so far, it is same old same old, just with better PR?
Of course I am greatful that Thomas saved us and fully aware that six months ago we nearly didn't have a club but surely, even if you don't agree, you can see where people are coming from.
I am not trying to say I must be right about Bowyer because I have successfully managed staff in totally different scenarios. But you seem to be so I'd thought I'd counter that with my own experience.
Sage is not sharing what he knows. I am sure he knows something that might not shed the best light on Maddison. I don't doubt that. But I do know what Bowyer publicly said about him and it was damning.
I also know of a couple of players, one experienced, one young who are not happy with Bowyer's management and behaviours this season and have spoken out privately about them. I have discussed privately with other posters and we agreed it was not helpful to name them. It isn't but there are two sides to this coin and it is important to know that.
Maddison was rarely injured before he joined us and yet he was out for some time from the off.
I suggest there's been a problem with him from the off.
I can't understand why the minority want a bad egg who upsets the team ethos and tries to drag everyone down .
supporters?
I suspect the only thing Bowyer is guilty of here is hubris in thinking he could be the one to change Maddison into a functioning human being.