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January 2021 Transfer Targets (last minute swoop for Jaiyesimi p184 - NOW it's all over.)
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It's odds on that Maddison feigned injury, when that excuse ran out, he feigned illness and when that ran out he said he'd been close to someone with Covid. He doesn't want to play for Charlton and Bowyer doesn't want this disruptive bad apple.Sage said:Anyone who blames Bowyer for Maddison leaving and not being successful whilst here is fully entitled to your own opinion. However, it’s incredibly difficult to form any kind of opinion when you just don’t understand what has happened behind the scenes.
If and when the story comes out, everyone who has sided with Maddison will wonder what was going through their mind to question the decisions Bowyer makes.
I am not in a position to put a public forum the situation. But what I will say is Maddison does not want to be here anymore and is not committed to the cause. When that is the case, it’s best to get rid. No matter how talented that individual may be with a football at their feet.
I am with Bowyer 100% and all I can say is, good riddance.
The best solution is to get rid asap to any other poor saps that will take him (only lower L2 it looks like).13 -
It's all going tits up ain't it?0
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A few weeks ago, I would have been most unhappy about MM moving and would have placed the blame squarely at LB's door. However, I am now hoping that we get shot, free up wages and get someone else in more professional as it is pointless him being in our squad as things stand.
So, what changed?
My opinion on MM took a decisive shift when Sage posted some links to articles dissecting how his relationship with Peterborough broke down. Pretty damning stuff. He made some very questionable decisions to say the least; people who bent over backwards to help him were shat on, quite frankly. No wonder they were glad to see the back of him.
It appears that he is a very talented footballer, but with all the brains of a marmite sandwich and extremely questionable judgement. He clearly cannot be trusted and when that becomes apparent, then things are well and truly broken.
History is simply repeating itself; it is clear that MM will always find a way to f**k up any 'new start' that he is given by letting people down.
It's what he does.
We get shot, we move on.9 -
Oztumer had a good 45 minutes in one match. Done fuck all else. Did nothing at Bolton before us, done nothing at Bristol Rovers after us.blackpool72 said:
Oztumerstoneroses19 said:
What keeps happening?cazo said:If so much of the squad don’t get on with bowyer maybe he mite have to go this shit can’t keep happening.
Fosu
Williams
Maddison.
Bowyer prefers robots to skill
Fosu good for us for a season, done well since, the only one you’d say in this list may have been a reeal let down that Bows couldn’t get him onside.
Williams mediocre start with us. Great cameo at Wembley. Excellent 1st month in the Championship but not hit those heights since. Constantly injured but there’s never been a hint he hasn’t been happy or trying for Bows. Bowyer has continued picking him even after publicly criticizing and is on record as loving Williams. Has looked decent without producing a lot of goals or assists at all his former clubs, similar to his time here.
Maddison. Obviously a complete bell end who was in poor form at Posh when they let him go, did nothing at Hull and has scored 1 good goal for us and done absolutely fuck all else positive.These players have taken on some kind of mythical status in the eyes of some fans and have become a stick to beat Bowyer with, but there’s really not a lot of foundation to the idea that Bowyer is the problem when you look at the fact that only Fosu has really delivered elsewhere in recent times. Maddison’s record at Peterborough is become a fast fading memory.19 -
@sage I wasn't having a dig at you . You are one of my favourite posters .Sage said:
I’m not here to score a cheap exclusive. I’ve sat on this information for a few days at least, other members on here can verify that. I even PM a lifer on here to say I’m going to take the stick that will come and put out a post that will let people know it all comes down to Maddison and that Bowyer is not at fault.Richard J said:
Yes.ForeverAddickted said:
Well then thats their right to tell or not ... Not mine to say it on their behalfgolfaddick said:
Then people who know the whole story should say.ForeverAddickted said:
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the storyDazzler21 said:
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.ForeverAddickted said:
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?MuttleyCAFC said:What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Wasnt there a comment about Dr Kish who knew about Coquelin (?) being recalled by Arsenal, didnt want his source at Sparrows Lane to get in trouble for passing on what was confidential information so "leaked" it to some Arsenal fan so they could report it as their own news.
Chris Thompson was more interested in getting the information to everyone than score a cheap exclusive.
People can be annoyed and rather I not say anything that’s genuinely fine with me. But I recognise that many others would be interested and appreciate it.
I was just verifying how Chris managed to both protect his source and managed to get the information out there even though Dr Kish would not have got credit for it .
As a result Dr K was respected and is now much missed .7 -
According to the News story those incidents seemed to happen in reverse.Covered End said:
It's odds on that Maddison feigned injury, when that excuse ran out, he feigned illness and when that ran out he said he'd been close to someone with Covid. He doesn't want to play for Charlton and Bowyer doesn't want this disruptive bad apple.Sage said:Anyone who blames Bowyer for Maddison leaving and not being successful whilst here is fully entitled to your own opinion. However, it’s incredibly difficult to form any kind of opinion when you just don’t understand what has happened behind the scenes.
If and when the story comes out, everyone who has sided with Maddison will wonder what was going through their mind to question the decisions Bowyer makes.
I am not in a position to put a public forum the situation. But what I will say is Maddison does not want to be here anymore and is not committed to the cause. When that is the case, it’s best to get rid. No matter how talented that individual may be with a football at their feet.
I am with Bowyer 100% and all I can say is, good riddance.
The best solution is to get rid asap to any other poor saps that will take him (only lower L2 it looks like).
1. ill
2. Told to isolate after being near someone with covid
3. Ankle injury that Bowyer didn't care about.
Maybe he didn't care because Maddison wasn't really injured... Maybe he really was...
I'm going to stop talking about MM and JW now unless they go and we don't replace them.0 -
Not sure how anyone can comment on how fair a chance Maddison (or anyone else) has had without seeing the work put in on the training ground. We heard after the restart last year that Williams was not getting into the squad because he hadn't been training well at that point4
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LargeAddick said:Will MM be the first to leave that Bowyer can't claim 'we have improved them'?He said he would improve Bogle and got him a move up the league by a few places. Not wrong is he.....1
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Maybe its best to get rid of Maddison, but that begs the question why sign him in the first place? Excuse me for thinking its not cracking business signing a player and shipping him after 4 months.5
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All over 30 or on loan.......... You can see why some glasses aren't as rose tinted as yours.Redrobo said:
New Charlton. You forgot the players we have signed this window. All an upgrade IMO.JoshAddick said:So far...Lost out to Wycombe for Ofoborh
Lost out to Wigan for Solomon-Otabor
Couldn’t tempt Exeter with the Randall deal
Missed out for whatever reason with Kirk
Let go of Wiredu
Trying to get rid of Williams
Trying to get rid of Maddison
Brought in a loanee from Arsenal
Same old Charlton.
Bowyer could probably play Amos on the left wing and you would claim it was a revolutionary master stroke.
WHEN we start winning games regularly and WHEN we start actually rebuilding the squad properly more people will start being positive. When not if. It will happen.
Until we actually do it it's just noise isn't it?
Roland nearly signed Max Gradel and Southall tried to sign Toney (if you believed either of them, more fool you) at the moment Thomas nearly signed some blokes from Crewe and Exeter that half of us had never heard of.
Bowyer said if he signs the players he wanted we would get in the play offs. According to Lee we did, now 3 months later he has got rid of 4 of them.
I'm terms of what has happened, so far, it is same old same old, just with better PR?
Of course I am greatful that Thomas saved us and fully aware that six months ago we nearly didn't have a club but surely, even if you don't agree, you can see where people are coming from.
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I’ve been critical of Bowyer, and like every other human I’ve come across, he has his faults. He took a gamble on Maddison and it hasn’t paid off. I never saw him as a Bowyer type of player and I’m not surprised he appears to be leaving. Bowyer has to take responsibility for the gamble failing, we can’t really afford it under the cap.Having said that, I back him 100% on this. Maddison doesn’t really want to play for us I don’t think and it’s best he moves on. Bowyer has done a lot for this club and you cannot doubt his passion and determination, Maddison doesn’t share those qualities. So although it was a failure that Bows has to take blame for (benefit of hindsight too admittedly), he doesn’t deserve any criticism for correcting that wrong now IMO.6
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This is some real conspiracy theorist twisting. Sage has never posted anything like this before and I'm inclined to believe them. Which is more likely: the so-called 'Bowyer camp' have started feeding fake tidbits of information to forum users to create a conspiracy so a player who's played 8 games can be bundled out of the club without the fans rioting, or you've spent the day criticising Bowyer and Loling posts that you don't agree with and now might be feeling a bit silly if it turns out Maddison leaving is down to him not behaving himself properly, which is something he has a storied history of?Dazzler21 said:
I appreciate all your insider input around injuries etc, but this feels like someone in the Bowyer camp is trying to keep you onside. If it's that bad it should be public knowledge of those that support the club and put money into it.Sage said:
I’m not here to score a cheap exclusive. I’ve sat on this information for a few days at least, other members on here can verify that. I even PM a lifer on here to say I’m going to take the stick that will come and put out a post that will let people know it all comes down to Maddison and that Bowyer is not at fault.Richard J said:
Yes.ForeverAddickted said:
Well then thats their right to tell or not ... Not mine to say it on their behalfgolfaddick said:
Then people who know the whole story should say.ForeverAddickted said:
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the storyDazzler21 said:
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.ForeverAddickted said:
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?MuttleyCAFC said:What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Wasnt there a comment about Dr Kish who knew about Coquelin (?) being recalled by Arsenal, didnt want his source at Sparrows Lane to get in trouble for passing on what was confidential information so "leaked" it to some Arsenal fan so they could report it as their own news.
Chris Thompson was more interested in getting the information to everyone than score a cheap exclusive.
People can be annoyed and rather I not say anything that’s genuinely fine with me. But I recognise that many others would be interested and appreciate it.
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We had been after Maddison in January, so it's not as if he was a relative unknown to Bowyer and Gallen that we had to take a punt on due to lack of options in the time remaining (which is a reasonable excuse for Bogle)cafcsinger said:Maybe its best to get rid of Maddison, but that begs the question why sign him in the first place? Excuse me for thinking its not cracking business signing a player and shipping him after 4 months.0 -
......and?Cafc43v3r said:
All over 30 or on loan..........Redrobo said:
New Charlton. You forgot the players we have signed this window. All an upgrade IMO.JoshAddick said:So far...Lost out to Wycombe for Ofoborh
Lost out to Wigan for Solomon-Otabor
Couldn’t tempt Exeter with the Randall deal
Missed out for whatever reason with Kirk
Let go of Wiredu
Trying to get rid of Williams
Trying to get rid of Maddison
Brought in a loanee from Arsenal
Same old Charlton.3 -
I’d probably be tempted to put an offer in.charltonbob said:
Give mouthalls tart a call, she was selling both of hers.Macronate said:Sod this for a game of soldiers.
If we’re not buying anyone on this thread, I’m going to the ‘Buying a puppy’ thread to see if there’s any updates on there.5 -
what’s the relevance of that though? January never has been the best time to build a squad for the future. It purely needs to be a window where we build the best possible team to get us top 6 and hopefully even more?Cafc43v3r said:
All over 30 or on loan..........Redrobo said:
New Charlton. You forgot the players we have signed this window. All an upgrade IMO.JoshAddick said:So far...Lost out to Wycombe for Ofoborh
Lost out to Wigan for Solomon-Otabor
Couldn’t tempt Exeter with the Randall deal
Missed out for whatever reason with Kirk
Let go of Wiredu
Trying to get rid of Williams
Trying to get rid of Maddison
Brought in a loanee from Arsenal
Same old Charlton.5 -
So have I and I pride myself how I managed to turn around the careers of people who were not considered to be any good. I was used to bring failing teams up and I always did it bringing staff along with me. It is harder to do that with failing teams and it takes time and trust. In grass roots football I turned a second from bottom team at the mid point of the season that was playing 3 divisions lower the previous season to finish third and win the cup. So we both have experience of management.Covered End said:
Williams disliked Bowyer so much he chose to trigger an extension.MuttleyCAFC said:My understanding is a big chunk of his squad dislike him. This can happen in football, and it isn't always necessary to be liked as long as you are respected, but a manager who is always right, never apologises and blames others when things go wrong generally finds it hard to change that dynamic.
Maddison too signed a contract.
I think it's probably mutual by now.
I've managed hundreds of people in my working life and I always found the good workers and I got on really well.
The staff I had to pull up for poor performance or pretending to be sick weren't in my fan club and neither was I in there.
Managers are paid to manage, if your team aren't performing then you address it.
Shape up or ship out.
I am not trying to say I must be right about Bowyer because I have successfully managed staff in totally different scenarios. But you seem to be so I'd thought I'd counter that with my own experience.
Sage is not sharing what he knows. I am sure he knows something that might not shed the best light on Maddison. I don't doubt that. But I do know what Bowyer publicly said about him and it was damning.
I also know of a couple of players, one experienced, one young who are not happy with Bowyer's management and behaviours this season and have spoken out privately about them. I have discussed privately with other posters and we agreed it was not helpful to name them. It isn't but there are two sides to this coin and it is important to know that.
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It's blatantly obvious to some and yet others are still clueless.AFKABartram said:
I think you’ll find the problem with Maddison came before that and we were then in final straw territory. I don’t know anything but think it’s all been blatantly obvious to see.golfaddick said:
Totally agree......but you have to ask yourself why Maddison doesn't want to be here anymore...? Might it be because his manager publicly slated him & when asked about his injury said he couldn't care.Sage said:Anyone who blames Bowyer for Maddison leaving and not being successful whilst here is fully entitled to your own opinion. However, it’s incredibly difficult to form any kind of opinion when you just don’t understand what has happened behind the scenes.
If and when the story comes out, everyone who has sided with Maddison will wonder what was going through their mind to question the decisions Bowyer makes.
I am not in a position to put a public forum the situation. But what I will say is Maddison does not want to be here anymore and is not committed to the cause. When that is the case, it’s best to get rid. No matter how talented that individual may be with a football at their feet.
I am with Bowyer 100% and all I can say is, good riddance.
Loyalty works both ways.
Maddison was rarely injured before he joined us and yet he was out for some time from the off.
I suggest there's been a problem with him from the off.
I can't understand why the minority want a bad egg who upsets the team ethos and tries to drag everyone down .7 -
Another thing on Maddison. Half of Posh’s fans couldn’t stand him. Can you imagine having a midfielder who regularly got 20 to 30 goals + assists in a season and him not be universally liked, or even be thought of as one of the club’s best ever players? What kind of almighty great tool must you have to be to be that good and still disliked by your own
supporters?
I suspect the only thing Bowyer is guilty of here is hubris in thinking he could be the one to change Maddison into a functioning human being.19 -
If you add the entire window into the equation, it reads very differently......JoshAddick said:So far...Lost out to Wycombe for Ofoborh
Lost out to Wigan for Solomon-Otabor
Couldn’t tempt Exeter with the Randall deal
Missed out for whatever reason with Kirk
Let go of Wiredu
Trying to get rid of Williams
Trying to get rid of Maddison
Brought in a loanee from Arsenal
Same old Charlton.
Signed Millar, stockley, smith and Schwartz.
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It isn't a disaster overall, but we have ground to make up and if we are going to lose Williams and Maddison, we need to bring at least one decent player in.8
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Not at all good business (although the circumstances weren't ideal for getting it right) but having taken the risk and it not working isn't the best thing to to cut our losses and move him on?cafcsinger said:Maybe its best to get rid of Maddison, but that begs the question why sign him in the first place? Excuse me for thinking its not cracking business signing a player and shipping him after 4 months.
If it's not working, and from what @sage and Cawley are saying that's as much if not more about Maddison that Bowyer, than do something about it.9 -
Agree, Bowyer has hardly been ingratiating himself with Maddison. So I will defer my view as to wether he needs to go, until somebody tells me why. But, right now I see a talented player being forced out for reasons unknown....killerandflash said:Maddison has started FOUR league games for us, and come off the bench 4 times.
He played reasonably well against Wimbledon and Swindon, scores that wonder goal off the bench vs Plymouth, and his reward was to not feature at all vs Hull
Then in the next game he injures himself after coming off the bench, and his manager says he doesn't care if he's injured because he pulled out of a tackle.
Maddison may be an arsehole - none of us know the truth - but he's hardly been managed well either or given a fair chance to show what he can do, when the likes of Bogle, Gilbey and Watson have played far more games without exactly covering themselves in glory.1 -
Appreciate that, apologies for jumping at you.Richard J said:
@sage I wasn't having a dig at you . You are one of my favourite posters .Sage said:
I’m not here to score a cheap exclusive. I’ve sat on this information for a few days at least, other members on here can verify that. I even PM a lifer on here to say I’m going to take the stick that will come and put out a post that will let people know it all comes down to Maddison and that Bowyer is not at fault.Richard J said:
Yes.ForeverAddickted said:
Well then thats their right to tell or not ... Not mine to say it on their behalfgolfaddick said:
Then people who know the whole story should say.ForeverAddickted said:
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the storyDazzler21 said:
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.ForeverAddickted said:
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?MuttleyCAFC said:What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Wasnt there a comment about Dr Kish who knew about Coquelin (?) being recalled by Arsenal, didnt want his source at Sparrows Lane to get in trouble for passing on what was confidential information so "leaked" it to some Arsenal fan so they could report it as their own news.
Chris Thompson was more interested in getting the information to everyone than score a cheap exclusive.
People can be annoyed and rather I not say anything that’s genuinely fine with me. But I recognise that many others would be interested and appreciate it.
I was just verifying how Chris managed to both protect his source and managed to get the information out there even though Dr Kish would not have got credit for it .
As a result Dr K was respected and is now much missed .5 -
I'll translate that.JoshAddick said:So far...Lost out to Wycombe for Ofoborh
Lost out to Wigan for Solomon-Otabor
Couldn’t tempt Exeter with the Randall deal
Missed out for whatever reason with Kirk
Let go of Wiredu
Trying to get rid of Williams
Trying to get rid of Maddison
Brought in a loanee from Arsenal
Same old Charlton.
We've got Smith in on loan from Arsenal.1 -
My thinking exactly. It’s the right thing to do but yes, poor decision in the first place.Henry Irving said:
Not at all good business (although the circumstances weren't ideal for getting it right) but having taken the risk and it not working isn't the best thing to to cut our losses and move him on?cafcsinger said:Maybe its best to get rid of Maddison, but that begs the question why sign him in the first place? Excuse me for thinking its not cracking business signing a player and shipping him after 4 months.
If it's not working, and from what @sage and Cawley are saying that's as much if not more about Maddison that Bowyer, than do something about it.0 -
What I heard is that he has pretended to be injured on numerous occasions in training and trudged off to the medical room and left the other players training. He's then on his arse in bed later on with no confirmed injury and posting bollox on social media.Garrymanilow said:
This is some real conspiracy theorist twisting. Sage has never posted anything like this before and I'm inclined to believe them. Which is more likely: the so-called 'Bowyer camp' have started feeding fake tidbits of information to forum users to create a conspiracy so a player who's played 8 games can be bundled out of the club without the fans rioting, or you've spent the day criticising Bowyer and Loling posts that you don't agree with and now might be feeling a bit silly if it turns out Maddison leaving is down to him not behaving himself properly, which is something he has a storied history of?Dazzler21 said:
I appreciate all your insider input around injuries etc, but this feels like someone in the Bowyer camp is trying to keep you onside. If it's that bad it should be public knowledge of those that support the club and put money into it.Sage said:
I’m not here to score a cheap exclusive. I’ve sat on this information for a few days at least, other members on here can verify that. I even PM a lifer on here to say I’m going to take the stick that will come and put out a post that will let people know it all comes down to Maddison and that Bowyer is not at fault.Richard J said:
Yes.ForeverAddickted said:
Well then thats their right to tell or not ... Not mine to say it on their behalfgolfaddick said:
Then people who know the whole story should say.ForeverAddickted said:
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the storyDazzler21 said:
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.ForeverAddickted said:
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?MuttleyCAFC said:What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Wasnt there a comment about Dr Kish who knew about Coquelin (?) being recalled by Arsenal, didnt want his source at Sparrows Lane to get in trouble for passing on what was confidential information so "leaked" it to some Arsenal fan so they could report it as their own news.
Chris Thompson was more interested in getting the information to everyone than score a cheap exclusive.
People can be annoyed and rather I not say anything that’s genuinely fine with me. But I recognise that many others would be interested and appreciate it.
Imagine players seeing a team mate do that not once but twice hasn't gone down well.
The medical team know he's a lazy bullshitter, the manager knows it, and now the players know it.
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Maddison, Williams and Bogle gone in this window, for me that's a sign of Bowyer getting rid of players not willing to die for the shirt. Williams is probably the saddest move because of what he achieved here 18 months ago but he has never got anywhere near that form since, hope Jonny has earned a big signing on fee and a good contract simply for how he helped us get up. As for the other two, Bogle is a poor player at this level and Maddison is a bad apple going backwards in his career.9
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Why?golfaddick said:
Then people who know the whole story should say.ForeverAddickted said:
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the storyDazzler21 said:
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.ForeverAddickted said:
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?MuttleyCAFC said:What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Should we put all your work history problems in the public domain?5 -
Sometimes players don’t work out because they aren’t as good as you thought they’d be or it’s all that was available at the time (Bogle). Sometimes players don’t gel (Maddison?)cafcsinger said:Maybe its best to get rid of Maddison, but that begs the question why sign him in the first place? Excuse me for thinking its not cracking business signing a player and shipping him after 4 months.
Pleased a respected poster has inside info on this as the boring few bowyer-out-whatever-the-weather posters would have sharpened the knives yet again.4
