Awkward yes but you could also point out that Burstow and Elewere have come through, three more academy products made debuts and under his recruitment we signed the players who are playing much better in the new and improved system.
So there's a willingness to change things if nothing else. If he gets (some of the) blame for the bad bits then he also needs (some of the) credit for the improvement too.
Awkward yes but you could also point out that Burstow and Elewere have come through, three more academy products made debuts and under his recruitment we signed the players who are playing much better in the new and improved system.
So there's a willingness to change things if nothing else. If he gets (some of the) blame for the bad bits then he also needs (some of the) credit for the improvement too.
I wasn't blaming him, nor giving credit. It was just an observation.
Awkward yes but you could also point out that Burstow and Elewere have come through, three more academy products made debuts and under his recruitment we signed the players who are playing much better in the new and improved system.
So there's a willingness to change things if nothing else. If he gets (some of the) blame for the bad bits then he also needs (some of the) credit for the improvement too.
I wasn't blaming him, nor giving credit. It was just an observation.
Apologies, it wasn't aimed at any one poster specifically. Just commenting on the general trend to assume that all problems were down to Roddy which did/does still seem to be a social media take.
Awkward yes but you could also point out that Burstow and Elewere have come through, three more academy products made debuts and under his recruitment we signed the players who are playing much better in the new and improved system.
So there's a willingness to change things if nothing else. If he gets (some of the) blame for the bad bits then he also needs (some of the) credit for the improvement too.
Academy players making their debuts is nothing to do with Roddy. Elewere has been with us for years, while Burstow has benefited most from us going to 352, as that requires a second striker, a position where the recruitment has left us light
The players and Jackson told us why it wasn't working under Adkins. No clarity of message, no direction.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
The players and Jackson told us why it wasn't working under Adkins. No clarity of message, no direction.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
They were really going to comment critically in public on Roddy, Sandgaard or Gallen if they were at fault too, weren't they?
The players and Jackson told us why it wasn't working under Adkins. No clarity of message, no direction.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
They were really going to comment critically in public on Roddy, Sandgaard or Gallen if they were at fault too, weren't they?
Adkins has gone. Team has improved. Those people you mention are still here.
You're right they wouldn't be mentioned but the absence of evidence is not evidence.
Awkward yes but you could also point out that Burstow and Elewere have come through, three more academy products made debuts and under his recruitment we signed the players who are playing much better in the new and improved system.
So there's a willingness to change things if nothing else. If he gets (some of the) blame for the bad bits then he also needs (some of the) credit for the improvement too.
I wouldn't personally give Roddy any credit at all for the improvement.
Same as i wouldn't blame him for the players not understanding the bullshit we're led to believe Adkins was confusing them with.
I posted this a few weeks ago but think it might be worth noting again. When he first arrived at the club he upset a few people and was not exactly flavour of the month but he has now become much better thought of and is widely accepted around the place. Having said that, I like most others, have no idea what the original ‘friction’ was all about or indeed exactly what his role is.
The players and Jackson told us why it wasn't working under Adkins. No clarity of message, no direction.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
But almost everyone said the system was the problem, or at least part of it. That Stockley wasn't a lone striker despite being signed for that specific role. That we didn't have a left back for the first how ever many games. We started the season with 3 fit midfielders playing a system that had 3 midfielders.
If all of that is 100% Adkins fault, what does Roddy actually do?
It isn't all anyone persons fault. It rightfully cost Adkins his job. The important thing, much more so than us guessing to proportion blame, is it doesn't happen again.
It was the November International break last year when the wheels started falling off under Bowyer. If the first teams performance is one of Roddy's KPIs it hasn't been a great first year has it.
Awkward yes but you could also point out that Burstow and Elewere have come through, three more academy products made debuts and under his recruitment we signed the players who are playing much better in the new and improved system.
So there's a willingness to change things if nothing else. If he gets (some of the) blame for the bad bits then he also needs (some of the) credit for the improvement too.
I wouldn't personally give Roddy any credit at all for the improvement.
Same as i wouldn't blame him for the players not understanding the bullshit we're led to believe Adkins was confusing them with.
That's why I said "if" - he's either just one part of the whole system, in which case he's PART of both the problem but also the uptick. Or those are nothing to do with him.
The point being that the fixation with him is ridiculous either way.
Awkward yes but you could also point out that Burstow and Elewere have come through, three more academy products made debuts and under his recruitment we signed the players who are playing much better in the new and improved system.
So there's a willingness to change things if nothing else. If he gets (some of the) blame for the bad bits then he also needs (some of the) credit for the improvement too.
I wouldn't personally give Roddy any credit at all for the improvement.
Same as i wouldn't blame him for the players not understanding the bullshit we're led to believe Adkins was confusing them with.
That's why I said "if" - he's either just one part of the whole system, in which case he's PART of both the problem but also the uptick. Or those are nothing to do with him.
The point being that the fixation with him is ridiculous either way.
As a fan base we have become excessively obsessed with finding/creating scapegoats. Because of the appalling way we have been treated over the last decade it’s little wonder and I can understand it perfectly well, it’s without question in our DNA. Let’s hope that in time this mindset will slowly but surely dissolve and we can get back to happier times. 🤞
The players and Jackson told us why it wasn't working under Adkins. No clarity of message, no direction.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
But almost everyone said the system was the problem, or at least part of it. That Stockley wasn't a lone striker despite being signed for that specific role. That we didn't have a left back for the first how ever many games. We started the season with 3 fit midfielders playing a system that had 3 midfielders.
If all of that is 100% Adkins fault, what does Roddy actually do?
It isn't all anyone persons fault. It rightfully cost Adkins his job. The important thing, much more so than us guessing to proportion blame, is it doesn't happen again.
It was the November International break last year when the wheels started falling off under Bowyer. If the first teams performance is one of Roddy's KPIs it hasn't been a great first year has it.
Is the first team's performance Roddy's job? Surely that's the manager's job.
Who said the system was the problem? The players? Who made the decision on the left back situation? Do we even know?
Roddy now could be to blame for the end of Bowyer's tenure? That one at least is getting a bit out of hand.
The players and Jackson told us why it wasn't working under Adkins. No clarity of message, no direction.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
But almost everyone said the system was the problem, or at least part of it. That Stockley wasn't a lone striker despite being signed for that specific role. That we didn't have a left back for the first how ever many games. We started the season with 3 fit midfielders playing a system that had 3 midfielders.
If all of that is 100% Adkins fault, what does Roddy actually do?
It isn't all anyone persons fault. It rightfully cost Adkins his job. The important thing, much more so than us guessing to proportion blame, is it doesn't happen again.
It was the November International break last year when the wheels started falling off under Bowyer. If the first teams performance is one of Roddy's KPIs it hasn't been a great first year has it.
Is the first team's performance Roddy's job? Surely that's the manager's job.
Who said the system was the problem? The players? Who made the decision on the left back situation? Do we even know?
Roddy now could be to blame for the end of Bowyer's tenure? That one at least is getting a bit out of hand.
I didn't say any of it was specifically Roddy's fault. If Roddy is responsible for, or at least partly responsible for, recruitment, appointing the coaching staff, building a Charlton way and all the other stuff he has claimed to be in charge of surely the first team performance has to be one of his KPIs? If it isn't, what exactly is it he does. You can't have fingers in all the pies but not be accountable when it all goes Pete Tong.
I am saying there have been more issues than just we were playing shit, and these having been consistent in Roddy's time at the club.
Like I said it doesn't really matter who's fault any of it was, as long as it doesn't happen again.
The players and Jackson told us why it wasn't working under Adkins. No clarity of message, no direction.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
They were really going to comment critically in public on Roddy, Sandgaard or Gallen if they were at fault too, weren't they?
Point taken on criticism with folk who could affect your job prospects but most players were bought in by Gallen and the recent ones with input by Roddy, so how can the players have problems with Steve, Ged or Thomas ?
The players and Jackson told us why it wasn't working under Adkins. No clarity of message, no direction.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
But almost everyone said the system was the problem, or at least part of it. That Stockley wasn't a lone striker despite being signed for that specific role. That we didn't have a left back for the first how ever many games. We started the season with 3 fit midfielders playing a system that had 3 midfielders.
If all of that is 100% Adkins fault, what does Roddy actually do?
It isn't all anyone persons fault. It rightfully cost Adkins his job. The important thing, much more so than us guessing to proportion blame, is it doesn't happen again.
It was the November International break last year when the wheels started falling off under Bowyer. If the first teams performance is one of Roddy's KPIs it hasn't been a great first year has it.
Is the first team's performance Roddy's job? Surely that's the manager's job.
Who said the system was the problem? The players? Who made the decision on the left back situation? Do we even know?
Roddy now could be to blame for the end of Bowyer's tenure? That one at least is getting a bit out of hand.
I didn't say any of it was specifically Roddy's fault. If Roddy is responsible for, or at least partly responsible for, recruitment, appointing the coaching staff, building a Charlton way and all the other stuff he has claimed to be in charge of surely the first team performance has to be one of his KPIs? If it isn't, what exactly is it he does. You can't have fingers in all the pies but not be accountable when it all goes Pete Tong.
I am saying there have been more issues than just we were playing shit, and these having been consistent in Roddy's time at the club.
Like I said it doesn't really matter who's fault any of it was, as long as it doesn't happen again.
The question then is what exactly is his specific responsibility here. There have been periods where things did go wrong but when initially Adkins came in last season he got a very good run of performances from the team.
Similarly, if we assume that he is partly also responsible for the firing of Adkins and Jackson being given an opportunity then it sounds like he is actually doing his job - based on comments by Pearce and Jackson himself, there were problems with Adkins' approach and we saw the results of that. However the players that did not perform under Adkins are now playing better under Jackson so it does raise the question of whether the recruitment process was the issue or was it "just" Adkins lack of direction.
Ultimately there's been periods of good performances as well as bad while he's been in his position. Obviously we are all hoping that this doesn't repeat yet again and we are stuck in a perpetual boom-bust cycle.
The players and Jackson told us why it wasn't working under Adkins. No clarity of message, no direction.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
They were really going to comment critically in public on Roddy, Sandgaard or Gallen if they were at fault too, weren't they?
Adkins has gone. Team has improved. Those people you mention are still here.
You're right they wouldn't be mentioned but the absence of evidence is not evidence.
Who says the only thing they've changed is the manager?
The players and Jackson told us why it wasn't working under Adkins. No clarity of message, no direction.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
They were really going to comment critically in public on Roddy, Sandgaard or Gallen if they were at fault too, weren't they?
Adkins has gone. Team has improved. Those people you mention are still here.
You're right they wouldn't be mentioned but the absence of evidence is not evidence.
Who says the only thing they've changed is the manager?
So far... The club. Yes it's perfectly possible that various people's roles have been changed or adapted but in the absence of anyone saying so, that's pure supposition.
The players and Jackson told us why it wasn't working under Adkins. No clarity of message, no direction.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
They were really going to comment critically in public on Roddy, Sandgaard or Gallen if they were at fault too, weren't they?
Adkins has gone. Team has improved. Those people you mention are still here.
You're right they wouldn't be mentioned but the absence of evidence is not evidence.
Who says the only thing they've changed is the manager?
Why do people keep giving questions like they're answers?
The players and Jackson told us why it wasn't working under Adkins. No clarity of message, no direction.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
They were really going to comment critically in public on Roddy, Sandgaard or Gallen if they were at fault too, weren't they?
Adkins has gone. Team has improved. Those people you mention are still here.
You're right they wouldn't be mentioned but the absence of evidence is not evidence.
Who says the only thing they've changed is the manager?
Why do people keep giving questions like they're answers?
If Adkins is so bad why was he able to have a fantastic run of form at the end of last season?
Seems like something happened over the summer to cause that cloud of 'lack of direction' and I don't think it was only Adkins that caused it.
The players and Jackson told us why it wasn't working under Adkins. No clarity of message, no direction.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
They were really going to comment critically in public on Roddy, Sandgaard or Gallen if they were at fault too, weren't they?
Adkins has gone. Team has improved. Those people you mention are still here.
You're right they wouldn't be mentioned but the absence of evidence is not evidence.
Who says the only thing they've changed is the manager?
Why do people keep giving questions like they're answers?
If Adkins is so bad why was he able to have a fantastic run of form at the end of last season?
Seems like something happened over the summer to cause that cloud of 'lack of direction' and I don't think it was only Adkins that caused it.
The players and Jackson told us why it wasn't working under Adkins. No clarity of message, no direction.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
They were really going to comment critically in public on Roddy, Sandgaard or Gallen if they were at fault too, weren't they?
Adkins has gone. Team has improved. Those people you mention are still here.
You're right they wouldn't be mentioned but the absence of evidence is not evidence.
Who says the only thing they've changed is the manager?
Why do people keep giving questions like they're answers?
If Adkins is so bad why was he able to have a fantastic run of form at the end of last season?
Seems like something happened over the summer to cause that cloud of 'lack of direction' and I don't think it was only Adkins that caused it.
Another question. Amazing leaps being made.
“He’s been a breath of fresh air. It’s definitely been positive, a lot of structure, for all the boys there’s no grey areas really. There’s definitely more we can learn, we can do a lot better. But getting the basics of three points, clean sheet, the boys are speaking to each other."
That was a quote from a first team player last April....... Adkins was sacked 6 months later.
The players and Jackson told us why it wasn't working under Adkins. No clarity of message, no direction.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
They were really going to comment critically in public on Roddy, Sandgaard or Gallen if they were at fault too, weren't they?
Adkins has gone. Team has improved. Those people you mention are still here.
You're right they wouldn't be mentioned but the absence of evidence is not evidence.
Who says the only thing they've changed is the manager?
Why do people keep giving questions like they're answers?
If Adkins is so bad why was he able to have a fantastic run of form at the end of last season?
Seems like something happened over the summer to cause that cloud of 'lack of direction' and I don't think it was only Adkins that caused it.
Another question. Amazing leaps being made.
“He’s been a breath of fresh air. It’s definitely been positive, a lot of structure, for all the boys there’s no grey areas really. There’s definitely more we can learn, we can do a lot better. But getting the basics of three points, clean sheet, the boys are speaking to each other."
That was a quote from a first team player last April....... Adkins was sacked 6 months later.
That's true, Adkins was sacked six months after that quote. And then?
We’re in the worse period in our 100 year league history soon to be 9 seasons in 14 in the third tier of wankness of course there are gonna be questions, why are we so fucking shit and whose fault is it ffs oh it’s no one’s, everything is rosey cos we’re flying in 18th position in this shithouse league ffs
Don’t underestimate the part Roddy played in Bowyer’s departure. Neither ignore the part he played in Adkins arrival as I suspect he wasn’t on Thomas’s (or anyone else’s) radar. He has remained silent throughout our slide down the league in which we saw some of the worst football any Charlton side has ever produced. Surely as director of football he has a view and a responsibility to say something?
The players and Jackson told us why it wasn't working under Adkins. No clarity of message, no direction.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
They were really going to comment critically in public on Roddy, Sandgaard or Gallen if they were at fault too, weren't they?
Adkins has gone. Team has improved. Those people you mention are still here.
You're right they wouldn't be mentioned but the absence of evidence is not evidence.
Who says the only thing they've changed is the manager?
Why do people keep giving questions like they're answers?
There are more questions than Answers, the more we find out, the less we know.
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So there's a willingness to change things if nothing else. If he gets (some of the) blame for the bad bits then he also needs (some of the) credit for the improvement too.
Our 'promotion form' has lasted 3 games and was because we ditched 'his' vision.
He could've been playing 442, 352, 541 or whatever you like and it still would've stunk.
So on all solid evidence it seems the upturn in our form has everything to do with the change in manager and not much at all to do with Right Said Ged.
I am not here all week..coat al ready on
You're right they wouldn't be mentioned but the absence of evidence is not evidence.
Same as i wouldn't blame him for the players not understanding the bullshit we're led to believe Adkins was confusing them with.
I posted this a few weeks ago but think it might be worth noting again.
When he first arrived at the club he upset a few people and was not exactly flavour of the month but he has now become much better thought of and is widely accepted around the place.
Having said that, I like most others, have no idea what the original ‘friction’ was all about or indeed exactly what his role is.
If all of that is 100% Adkins fault, what does Roddy actually do?
It isn't all anyone persons fault. It rightfully cost Adkins his job. The important thing, much more so than us guessing to proportion blame, is it doesn't happen again.
It was the November International break last year when the wheels started falling off under Bowyer. If the first teams performance is one of Roddy's KPIs it hasn't been a great first year has it.
The point being that the fixation with him is ridiculous either way.
Because of the appalling way we have been treated over the last decade it’s little wonder and I can understand it perfectly well, it’s without question in our DNA.
Let’s hope that in time this mindset will slowly but surely dissolve and we can get back to happier times. 🤞
Who said the system was the problem? The players? Who made the decision on the left back situation? Do we even know?
Roddy now could be to blame for the end of Bowyer's tenure? That one at least is getting a bit out of hand.
I am saying there have been more issues than just we were playing shit, and these having been consistent in Roddy's time at the club.
Like I said it doesn't really matter who's fault any of it was, as long as it doesn't happen again.
Point taken on criticism with folk who could affect your job prospects but most players were bought in by Gallen and the recent ones with input by Roddy, so how can the players have problems with Steve, Ged or Thomas ?
Similarly, if we assume that he is partly also responsible for the firing of Adkins and Jackson being given an opportunity then it sounds like he is actually doing his job - based on comments by Pearce and Jackson himself, there were problems with Adkins' approach and we saw the results of that.
However the players that did not perform under Adkins are now playing better under Jackson so it does raise the question of whether the recruitment process was the issue or was it "just" Adkins lack of direction.
Ultimately there's been periods of good performances as well as bad while he's been in his position. Obviously we are all hoping that this doesn't repeat yet again and we are stuck in a perpetual boom-bust cycle.
Seems like something happened over the summer to cause that cloud of 'lack of direction' and I don't think it was only Adkins that caused it.
That was a quote from a first team player last April....... Adkins was sacked 6 months later.
of course there are gonna be questions, why are we so fucking shit and whose fault is it ffs
oh it’s no one’s, everything is rosey cos we’re flying in 18th position in this shithouse league ffs
He has remained silent throughout our slide down the league in which we saw some of the worst football any Charlton side has ever produced.
Surely as director of football he has a view and a responsibility to say something?
There are more questions than Answers,
the more we find out, the less we know.