“Jacob came in on trial because there was a gap there as we’d released our left back. He’s previously been at Southampton academy up until he was 16 and in the last two years he took up a scholarship at Bradfield College near Reading, so that’s where he currently is, currently finishing his A Levels… which is a very good football school I might add.
“He came in on trial even as early as March initially... dislocated his shoulder in one of the trial games so then had to come back again a few weeks later before we made that decision. He is very quick, athletic which, in particular, impresses you, with good height as well, great energy to get up and down which I think is needed of a full back in the modern game, with a sweet left foot as well. So I’m really looking forward to taking Jacob forward as well.”
Yada Yada Yada Nige.
List of old Bradfieldians that have gone onto flourishing football careers:
“Jacob came in on trial because there was a gap there as we’d released our left back. He’s previously been at Southampton academy up until he was 16 and in the last two years he took up a scholarship at Bradfield College near Reading, so that’s where he currently is, currently finishing his A Levels… which is a very good football school I might add.
“He came in on trial even as early as March initially... dislocated his shoulder in one of the trial games so then had to come back again a few weeks later before we made that decision. He is very quick, athletic which, in particular, impresses you, with good height as well, great energy to get up and down which I think is needed of a full back in the modern game, with a sweet left foot as well. So I’m really looking forward to taking Jacob forward as well.”
Yada Yada Yada Nige.
List of old Bradfieldians that have gone onto flourishing football careers:
“Jacob came in on trial because there was a gap there as we’d released our left back. He’s previously been at Southampton academy up until he was 16 and in the last two years he took up a scholarship at Bradfield College near Reading, so that’s where he currently is, currently finishing his A Levels… which is a very good football school I might add.
“He came in on trial even as early as March initially... dislocated his shoulder in one of the trial games so then had to come back again a few weeks later before we made that decision. He is very quick, athletic which, in particular, impresses you, with good height as well, great energy to get up and down which I think is needed of a full back in the modern game, with a sweet left foot as well. So I’m really looking forward to taking Jacob forward as well.”
Is this a real quote? Not sure who said this or when.
Sorry I ment to add the link, Avory said it when discussing the U18s contracts.
Thank you once again @Grapevine49 for a dose of reality.
We are where we are, not because of lack of desire, from the Owner, the on and off field Management Team or from the supporters, but because of 10 years of wasted investment, poor decisions and the involvement of vultures circling over a dying corpse.
The unrealistic expectations from certain quarters that everything can be rosy in the garden again in under a year, is just that - unrealistic. OK, the owner may have got carried away when he first took over, but he was a breath of fresh air and is entitled to some naivety coming into the industry full of charlatans and those on the make.
The rebuild has commenced. It will take time and a lot of money, just to get the foundations right.
I've given up on the transfer rumours thread, because it's the same people saying the same thing, repeating the same requirements and spending the owners money in the direction they think is most appropriate. And all of them know about 10% of the facts behind each and every 'deal'.
We're all on here because we love CAFC. One thing I've learned over the past 10 years is that the vast majority of us do so through 'thick and thin'. We are a family, we argue, we fight, we have four permanent parking bays at Macro's car park. But we're all Charlton.
The current negativity is starting to drain. And all I can see is the Club haven't purchased two or three players some fans think we should have overpaid for, whether in transfer fees or wages. This is Charlton, in League One. It was ever thus.
This morning I was enjoying my usual cup of tea but when I dipped my hobnob in, it broke off and fell into the tea. I am 99% sure Ged Roddy was behind this.
That's outrageous .... No one dunks hobnobs in Tea. Coffee, Yes. But Tea
The longer is goes on without getting a recognised Left Back the more it looks like a conflict of interest with Roddy’s son being there .
I personally would like to watch Jacob Roddy in the under 23, to see if he stands out and his ability in overlapping as a natural LB. To be in Southampton academy until he was 16, he must have some talent. When the whole team are underperforming it is difficult to make a mark but on first showing (Wimbledon game for me) he looks short of being a 1st team squad member. He may well develop as TBF Ian Maatsen was 18 as well last season and his defending was poor considering he was one of the Myriad of players at Chelsea.
“Jacob came in on trial because there was a gap there as we’d released our left back. He’s previously been at Southampton academy up until he was 16 and in the last two years he took up a scholarship at Bradfield College near Reading, so that’s where he currently is, currently finishing his A Levels… which is a very good football school I might add.
“He came in on trial even as early as March initially... dislocated his shoulder in one of the trial games so then had to come back again a few weeks later before we made that decision. He is very quick, athletic which, in particular, impresses you, with good height as well, great energy to get up and down which I think is needed of a full back in the modern game, with a sweet left foot as well. So I’m really looking forward to taking Jacob forward as well.”
Is this a real quote? Not sure who said this or when.
Unfair by me to say this after only a brief glimpse of Jacob but to me he looks anything but an “athlete”.
“Jacob came in on trial because there was a gap there as we’d released our left back. He’s previously been at Southampton academy up until he was 16 and in the last two years he took up a scholarship at Bradfield College near Reading, so that’s where he currently is, currently finishing his A Levels… which is a very good football school I might add.
“He came in on trial even as early as March initially... dislocated his shoulder in one of the trial games so then had to come back again a few weeks later before we made that decision. He is very quick, athletic which, in particular, impresses you, with good height as well, great energy to get up and down which I think is needed of a full back in the modern game, with a sweet left foot as well. So I’m really looking forward to taking Jacob forward as well.”
Is this a real quote? Not sure who said this or when.
Unfair by me to say this after only a brief glimpse of Jacob but to me he looks anything but an “athlete”.
Inclined to agree but Avory has seen more than I have and doesn't strike me as a yes-man or interested in playing politics so maybe Roddy Jr just hasn't shown his full ability yet.
well it’s looking to me like all questions are leading to TS and not giving a big enough budget to assemble a promotion team - we are all thankful he has saved us but the coaching progression and the switch in keeper coaching in particular could all be seen as cost cutting as well if looked at cynically and were both overseen by roddy - seems to me we are saying all the right things about long term strategy etc etc but right now it looks like we have stripped the football side right back and we will end up having a season that reflects that unless we bring 5 or 6 quality operators in before it’s too late
“Jacob came in on trial because there was a gap there as we’d released our left back. He’s previously been at Southampton academy up until he was 16 and in the last two years he took up a scholarship at Bradfield College near Reading, so that’s where he currently is, currently finishing his A Levels… which is a very good football school I might add.
“He came in on trial even as early as March initially... dislocated his shoulder in one of the trial games so then had to come back again a few weeks later before we made that decision. He is very quick, athletic which, in particular, impresses you, with good height as well, great energy to get up and down which I think is needed of a full back in the modern game, with a sweet left foot as well. So I’m really looking forward to taking Jacob forward as well.”
Yada Yada Yada Nige.
List of old Bradfieldians that have gone onto flourishing football careers:
First time I have ever read verbatim a post by Grapevine; normally I just read the bullet points as highlighted by other CL members of the verbose but esteemed Cafc supporter of 6 decades.
I found it a compelling read, with an eclectic mix of Business procedures, infrastructures and even talking/writing in the vernacular of football fans with a few fucks thrown in.
In my humble (you have never been humble Sam) opinion, it was a soap box performance with many valid points but also flawed as the language used was condescending to many folk who have given so much of their time and efforts to Cafc and our travails on and off the pitch. Airman Brown and Fanny Fanackapan to name just two fans who just want and desire Charlton athletic to be a well ran club and have given support to Thomas Sandgaard but quite rightly have opinions on our club going forward in these very difficult days with the Elitist Premier League calling the shots and the EFL desperately trying not to be Jettisoned.
I totally concur that we continue to give support to the club under Thomas Sandgaard or otherwise Elliott and the odious Southall will pipe up again and get pleasure from our infighting.
Having a reset and not giving dogs abuse to our players when they don't live up to the words of TS( the OTT comments about romping this league) may be a good start for all folk at the ground of even on social media watching from afar.
I suppose a lot depends on whether you think the club was well run off the pitch before 2012 and it is desirable to get back to it being well run or you think there has been no significant difference (i.e. it doesn't matter) since then. I think we need to get back to being a well run football club in the nuts and bolts of everyday operation and not put forward nonsense, for example the away coach situation. I could give you ten such examples and these are only the ones in the public domain. I accept that this detail is not what interests most fans, but that doesn't mean the club should be given a free pass. It does shape people's overall perception, as well as piss them off when they are directly affected. It is simply unprofessional.
If the current management was able to deliver a high level of service with the current staff then there wouldn't be any need for people like me to try to help in the areas where we do have some experience to share. It's easy to present that as people trying to regain former positions, which I know is not the case whereas Grapevine is, at best, guessing, since he doesn't know the people or the discussions going on. I have only mentioned that they are because it shows there is more to it than noise and criticism - and that this is recognised by the club.
While I enjoy Grapevine's posts and respect his analytical approach, he necessarily tends to deal in somewhat high-level theory and apply it to a set-up which he doesn't really know. We need both perspectives to understand what is happening. It is quite amusing that he lauds the credentials of the current administration but declined to accept that there could be any valid external scrutiny of Southall and co as individuals. On the other hand he is happy to attribute motive to me and others, which is pure guesswork on his part.
... we have four permanent parking bays at Macro's car park. But we're all Charlton.
I didn't know about these parking bays. Are they together in a 2x2 pattern and, if so, are they large enough to host an octagon or traditional shaped ring?
On Grapevine's specific point about the 2010 takeover, the reality is that the club would have gone into administration at Christmas 2010 and may well have ended up being relegated to League Two, assuming it emerged, which I do. I think everyone now accepts that Jimenez and Slater were not suitable owners, but at the time PV was not employed by the club and Richard Murray was the sole owner. Varney had intervened with various board members to help prevent a takeover by the Sainsbury crowd, which included our friend Lee Amis - in effect an ESI prequel. However that was not a solution. He took responsibility and eventually introduced Jimenez and Slater, who were not his first choice. Murray sold it to them.
Whatever the risks attached to that and who they turned out to be, the outcome for the club was promotion the following season and four years of Championship football against administration without it. It wasn't even a choice between the spivs and a continuation of what went before. Varney, Steve Kavanagh and about a dozen lower level managers were the people who suffered after 2012, but the club did not go down and the ground did not get sold as part of some property game with the peninsula. It is a stretch to blame Varney for Duchatelet and the separation of club and stadium ownership eight years after he left, although nobody is saying the spivs were ideal, least of all those of us who dealt with them. There is a long chain of cause and effect back to 2005, and it could have been broken at multiple points.
Had PV wanted to return as chief executive in 2010/11 he surely could have done. He did not. To think his attempts to rescue Charlton are down to ego is a complete misunderstanding of the personalities and facts on the ground and to ignore what he actually did 1997-2008 and subsequently. In my view the club needs an experienced and competent chief executive based at The Valley full-time. It does not follow that this needs to be or could be PV.
“Jacob came in on trial because there was a gap there as we’d released our left back. He’s previously been at Southampton academy up until he was 16 and in the last two years he took up a scholarship at Bradfield College near Reading, so that’s where he currently is, currently finishing his A Levels… which is a very good football school I might add.
“He came in on trial even as early as March initially... dislocated his shoulder in one of the trial games so then had to come back again a few weeks later before we made that decision. He is very quick, athletic which, in particular, impresses you, with good height as well, great energy to get up and down which I think is needed of a full back in the modern game, with a sweet left foot as well. So I’m really looking forward to taking Jacob forward as well.”
He didn't look quick, he looked average. He didn't appear to have good height, he looked like a school kid playing against men. He looked terrified to get up, but was ok at going backwards. (Just my opinion). Mind you if Avory was discussing his performance for the academy then it could well be accurate.
On Grapevine's specific point about the 2010 takeover, the reality is that the club would have gone into administration at Christmas 2010 and may well have ended up being relegated to League Two, assuming it emerged, which I do. I think everyone now accepts that Jimenez and Slater were not suitable owners, but at the time PV was not employed by the club and Richard Murray was the sole owner. Varney had intervened with various board members to help prevent a takeover by the Sainsbury crowd, which included our friend Lee Amis - in effect an ESI prequel. However that was not a solution. He took responsibility and eventually introduced Jimenez and Slater, who were not his first choice. Murray sold it to them.
Whatever the risks attached to that and who they turned out to be, the outcome for the club was promotion the following season and four years of Championship football against administration without it. It wasn't even a choice between the spivs and a continuation of what went before. Varney, Steve Kavanagh and about a dozen lower level managers were the people who suffered after 2012, but the club did not go down and the ground did not get sold as part of some property game with the peninsula. It is a stretch to blame Varney for Duchatelet and the separation of club and stadium ownership eight years after he left, although nobody is saying the spivs were ideal, least of all those of us who dealt with them. There is a long chain of cause and effect back to 2005, and it could have been broken at multiple points.
Had PV wanted to return as chief executive in 2010/11 he surely could have done. He did not. To think his attempts to rescue Charlton are down to ego is a complete misunderstanding of the personalities and facts on the ground and to ignore what he actually did 1997-2008 and subsequently. In my view the club needs an experienced and competent chief executive based at The Valley full-time. It does not follow that this needs to be or could be PV.
I agree with that. This of course makes us both "numbskulls"
The Mervyn Day hate was exactly what sprung to my mind, too.
Despite the grief he got, MD was a highly qualified coach that was appointed for a valid reason . Roddy serves no purpose whatsoever..
Yep, Sandgaard decided to let the guy just sit around with his feet up collecting a wage for nothing, which is a very sensible and logical decision.
Not.
What’s your explanation then ?
He's got a role that involves running the football side of the club instead of the commercial side, so that the academy, senior men's team and the women's side all have one overall manager.
What that actually involves on a day to day basis I don't know but he does have a purpose.
Meanwhile Lee Bowyer’s new team wins 5-0 away! Previously, all close sources report a very happy manager, despite all that went on and family settled until the arrival of…well, you draw your own conclusions!
No knowledge whatsoever on what Roddy does,or what influence he has,but to me we did not need anyone other than our management team and Gallen involved in recruitment,they did ok even under Roland with all the restrictions that involved.I have a horrible feeling this is going to end badly with good people walking away.
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List of old Bradfieldians that have gone onto flourishing football careers:
Faiq Bolkiah (born 1998), Bruneian footballer
Dai Wai-tsun (born 1999), Hong Kong footballer
Don't half chat some shit at times does our Nige.
People have compared him to Slade but there's more than a smattering of the Dowies if you ask me.
https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/60e2c532e563d/academy-player-update-new-contracts-and-new-arrivals
We are where we are, not because of lack of desire, from the Owner, the on and off field Management Team or from the supporters, but because of 10 years of wasted investment, poor decisions and the involvement of vultures circling over a dying corpse.
The unrealistic expectations from certain quarters that everything can be rosy in the garden again in under a year, is just that - unrealistic. OK, the owner may have got carried away when he first took over, but he was a breath of fresh air and is entitled to some naivety coming into the industry full of charlatans and those on the make.
The rebuild has commenced. It will take time and a lot of money, just to get the foundations right.
I've given up on the transfer rumours thread, because it's the same people saying the same thing, repeating the same requirements and spending the owners money in the direction they think is most appropriate. And all of them know about 10% of the facts behind each and every 'deal'.
We're all on here because we love CAFC. One thing I've learned over the past 10 years is that the vast majority of us do so through 'thick and thin'. We are a family, we argue, we fight, we have four permanent parking bays at Macro's car park. But we're all Charlton.
The current negativity is starting to drain. And all I can see is the Club haven't purchased two or three players some fans think we should have overpaid for, whether in transfer fees or wages. This is Charlton, in League One. It was ever thus.
When the whole team are underperforming it is difficult to make a mark but on first showing (Wimbledon game for me) he looks short of being a 1st team squad member. He may well develop as TBF Ian Maatsen was 18 as well last season and his defending was poor considering he was one of the Myriad of players at Chelsea.
I wondered if it was the reward for being the supporter's Director back in the day (2007/08) and a task Ben carried out will aplomb.
this sounds like an attempt to justify the situation to me ...... like if my boss has tells me to take on his son.
If the current management was able to deliver a high level of service with the current staff then there wouldn't be any need for people like me to try to help in the areas where we do have some experience to share. It's easy to present that as people trying to regain former positions, which I know is not the case whereas Grapevine is, at best, guessing, since he doesn't know the people or the discussions going on. I have only mentioned that they are because it shows there is more to it than noise and criticism - and that this is recognised by the club.
While I enjoy Grapevine's posts and respect his analytical approach, he necessarily tends to deal in somewhat high-level theory and apply it to a set-up which he doesn't really know. We need both perspectives to understand what is happening. It is quite amusing that he lauds the credentials of the current administration but declined to accept that there could be any valid external scrutiny of Southall and co as individuals. On the other hand he is happy to attribute motive to me and others, which is pure guesswork on his part.
Whatever the risks attached to that and who they turned out to be, the outcome for the club was promotion the following season and four years of Championship football against administration without it. It wasn't even a choice between the spivs and a continuation of what went before. Varney, Steve Kavanagh and about a dozen lower level managers were the people who suffered after 2012, but the club did not go down and the ground did not get sold as part of some property game with the peninsula. It is a stretch to blame Varney for Duchatelet and the separation of club and stadium ownership eight years after he left, although nobody is saying the spivs were ideal, least of all those of us who dealt with them. There is a long chain of cause and effect back to 2005, and it could have been broken at multiple points.
Had PV wanted to return as chief executive in 2010/11 he surely could have done. He did not. To think his attempts to rescue Charlton are down to ego is a complete misunderstanding of the personalities and facts on the ground and to ignore what he actually did 1997-2008 and subsequently. In my view the club needs an experienced and competent chief executive based at The Valley full-time. It does not follow that this needs to be or could be PV.
He didn't appear to have good height, he looked like a school kid playing against men.
He looked terrified to get up, but was ok at going backwards. (Just my opinion).
Mind you if Avory was discussing his performance for the academy then it could well be accurate.
What that actually involves on a day to day basis I don't know but he does have a purpose.