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January 2020 transfer rumours thread (Deadline Day starts Page 283)

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  • Everybody's happy nowadays
    I'm Appy  :)
  • edited January 2020
    clive said:
    To me that don't read as bad as the earlier Cawley article. Has Cawley made it seem worse or have CAFC done the article to make it sound better. 
  • Bowyer explained: “Hopefully we’ll be bringing players in. I don’t want to be selling. I want to add to the squad not deplete it. At the moment we’re two players down from when the window opened so as the manager I want as many bodies coming through the door as possible.

    “If you ask me or any other manager you want to strengthen your squad, especially coming into this part of the season. I want bodies coming in to help me and the team.

    “The more we get, the easier the job for me because then you have more people to choose from and we have a lot of games coming up in February, so we need to be able to rotate the squad.”

    Bowyer explained: “Hopefully we’ll be bringing players in. I don’t want to be selling. I want to add to the squad not deplete it. At the moment we’re two players down from when the window opened so as the manager I want as many bodies coming through the door as possible.

    “If you ask me or any other manager you want to strengthen your squad, especially coming into this part of the season. I want bodies coming in to help me and the team.

    “The more we get, the easier the job for me because then you have more people to choose from and we have a lot of games coming up in February, so we need to be able to rotate the squad.”


  • CHARLTON WARN FULHAM OVER DOUGHTY

    Charlton have told Fulham that Alfie Doughty is not for sale.

    The Whites made an enquiry about the 20-year-old midfielder, who has 18 months left on his contract.

    Saw that coming a mile off, ten seconds of watching him and you know he's a player 
  • the worrying thing for MS is that if he dont delivery a decent window that bumper crowd on Saturday could easily get twitchy if the result does not come and the good will and feel good factor he was gifted from being the person to remove Roland will be gone and he and ESI will be on the back foot a bit with the fans. 
    The exact reason they rushed a deal through was so they'd have January to get players signed.

    30 days into the window and the squad is weaker.

    Personally i think we'll get 2-3 signings done but i can see why people are worrying.
  • edited January 2020
    cafc4life said:
    Embarrassing that people were singing Southalls name a few weeks ago. A man who tweeted deals pending 16 days ago and how many players have we signed in that time? Zero. People who think we will be okay and not to panic are jokers 
    How is panicking working out for you?
    All I’m saying is , extremely premature to sing a guys name for nothing ? He tweeted what I said , he’s been on sky sports and done an interview mentioning Toney and Maddison, we’ve signed neither and from the sounds of it couldn’t afford either anyway , he’s publicly stated the manager had been offered a 5 year contract , but Over a week down the line bowyer signs a 3 year deal. Erm what about the other 2 years? Actions speak louder than words. And at the moment he has done nothing 
  • clive said:
    Compare that to the one Chris Wilder has just given where incoming players are named & figures quoted. None of this "hopefully" business......
  • edited January 2020
    Get a grip, your embarrassing yourselves. The January transfer window is notoriously difficult. So many deals are done at the last minute. I suggest you all go back to doing your jobs, stop all this negative claptrap and let LB SG and MS get on with theirs!   
    Is that comment addressed to Lee Bowyer ?
    Because our comments are just views on a football forum with the usual good, the bad and the ugly. No one is embarrassing themselves.(not even the blind optimists) I just hope Matt Southall isn't embarrassed by his comment " we had to get in early as the window opened so we could help Lee"

     
    Come on mate, everybody knows that a football forum is for discussing house prices and overrated products. 



    Sorry Ricky, it's just that our roof has come off in the storm it's pissing down and some old farts have said we have wet our bed and stop being negative as it will stop raining soon.
    Where would we be without our house analogies ? Homeless I would guess.
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  • I hope we are all proved wrong but have to agree with others that this would be most unnecessary relegation ever. 
    ESI should stop talking and start doing.
    After all the chat I dont feel we've moved on one bit from RD.
    I understand what you are saying and agree to some degree that they do really need to give Bowyer enough to stay up this year weather that be good loans or signings.

    Bowyer on a 3 year deal is a positive and step in the right direction compared to Roland and his 1 year contract. 

    ESI ownership of the club will be judge on much more than this January window but they are in danger of starting it off on the back foot with the fans, however it is just as important to lay the long term fondation of the club something Roland has never done. 


    One loan signing (Green) and Bowyer's contract so far if all they've achieved

    No contracts for Jacko and Marshall yet
    No new contracts for existing players - Lyle obviously, but even getting someone like Doughty signed up on a longer deal would have been a good news story
    No existing loan signings signed permanently, which was an aim at the start of the window
    The loss of Gallagher (not their fault but adds to the need for urgent reinforcements)
    No perm or loan signings despite Bowyer constantly saying we needed them earlier in the window

    A massive couple of days, followed by an equally massive game. No pressure Matt...
  • JamesSeed said:
    We fecking rich ------ do fuc k off

    ESI using Rolands Poundland card and his strategy 

    Only thing that's changed is they brought in a new PR guy
    Buying cheap and selling on has always been our strategy. Why should that change, we aren’t Real Madrid. 

    If, and I appreciate that it is an if at this stage he, we do sign the best of league 1 and develop slowly, I’ll be happy. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, this approach has worked for Brentford. Stoke spend big and where has that got them.

    esi are not using Roland’s strategy. Bowyer isn’t being told who to pick and we are making bids for players. 2 differences for you as a starter
    Always feel sad when I think of Charlton fans accepting a lowly status. Charlton were one of the biggest clubs in the country for decades. No reason why it couldn't happen again.
    James, I've been saying that to myself since 1962. Even believed it once or twice  ;)
  • Dazzler21 said:
    Chunes said:
    Is there actually any credible-looking rumour out there that Taylor is off, this window?
    Just Cawley saying that's what he'd heard. 
    He didn't say that, he said if we sign JCH that will be to replace Taylor in his opinion, then said it's what he'd heard.

    Personally think that also means if we do not sign JCH we will still have Taylor.
    How's that different to what I just said?
  • I hope we are all proved wrong but have to agree with others that this would be most unnecessary relegation ever. 
    ESI should stop talking and start doing.
    After all the chat I dont feel we've moved on one bit from RD.
    I understand what you are saying and agree to some degree that they do really need to give Bowyer enough to stay up this year weather that be good loans or signings.

    Bowyer on a 3 year deal is a positive and step in the right direction compared to Roland and his 1 year contract. 

    ESI ownership of the club will be judge on much more than this January window but they are in danger of starting it off on the back foot with the fans, however it is just as important to lay the long term fondation of the club something Roland has never done. 


    One loan signing (Green) and Bowyer's contract so far if all they've achieved

    No contracts for Jacko and Marshall yet
    No new contracts for existing players - Lyle obviously, but even getting someone like Doughty signed up on a longer deal would have been a good news story
    No existing loan signings signed permanently, which was an aim at the start of the window
    The loss of Gallagher (not their fault but adds to the need for urgent reinforcements)
    No perm or loan signings despite Bowyer constantly saying we needed them earlier in the window

    A massive couple of days, followed by an equally massive game. No pressure Matt...
    Yep in the short term the next 2 days and game on Saturday is massive.

    I think after Friday over the next few months we will see the signs of longer term planning liek contracts for younger players etc.

    The club has been left to rot for many years under Roland's ownership and it is going to take solid foundations being laid before we can really start moving forward. Bowyer on a 3 year deal is a start. 


  • Interview on the official site doesn't read as bad. I'm hoping that Bowyer is just continuing his usual trait of being coy with the press, otherwise I really don't know what to think.
  • Judging by Lee's words, at least we know we don't have a Royal Flush in Henry's poker game. Please don't Matt and HE be a busted flush.
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  • This thread is unbelievable. The sense of entitlement that some of our fans display is utterly cringe worthy.

    If anyone genuinely believes that we are in a worse position now than we were under Roland then you need to take a long hard look at yourselves.

    I have no idea what our budget is now and only know from snippets on here what it previously was.

    MS has made no secret of the fact that this is a long term project, teams in the Championship are now being found out in relation to flouting FFP. Do people honestly think with our current revenue streams that it is credible for us to go and splash 3/4/5 million on players and God knows what else on wages? I don't profess to know the intricacies of FFP but I have seen the threat of points deductions. Do we  want to risk that.

    ESI are taking over years of mis-management and negligence and there is no way they can fix all of that in the 4/5 weeks they have actually owned the club.

    People keep banding "disaster" round in respect of relegation. Why? We have been relegated before and will be again. If we go down this year it will be largely down to a horrific injury list and paltry squad Roland provided at the start of the season.

    I have no idea whether ESI will be a long term success, I sincerely hope they are. If we only get a couple of loans in between now and the end of the window I certainly won't be spitting my dummy out and branding them failures.

    Any change takes time, change that is undoing utter incompetency over a number of years will take even longer. It won't happen overnight.

    As an aside, people.saying they have no money. Isn't part of the EFL test proof of funds? They may not have shelled out for all the fixtures and fittings yet, but they have a legal obligation to do so within a set time frame. I am guessing that they would have had to prove that they had the funding to do that.

    We need to accept that the new owners are running a business and not going to come in an burn money to appease a disenfranchised fanbase.

    Give them a chance, you never know in 2/3 years time we may be back up and challenging for promotion.





    Great post well written. - No need to panic just yet !

  • edited January 2020
    This thread is unbelievable. The sense of entitlement that some of our fans display is utterly cringe worthy.

    If anyone genuinely believes that we are in a worse position now than we were under Roland then you need to take a long hard look at yourselves.

    I have no idea what our budget is now and only know from snippets on here what it previously was.

    MS has made no secret of the fact that this is a long term project, teams in the Championship are now being found out in relation to flouting FFP. Do people honestly think with our current revenue streams that it is credible for us to go and splash 3/4/5 million on players and God knows what else on wages? I don't profess to know the intricacies of FFP but I have seen the threat of points deductions. Do we  want to risk that.

    ESI are taking over years of mis-management and negligence and there is no way they can fix all of that in the 4/5 weeks they have actually owned the club.

    People keep banding "disaster" round in respect of relegation. Why? We have been relegated before and will be again. If we go down this year it will be largely down to a horrific injury list and paltry squad Roland provided at the start of the season.

    I have no idea whether ESI will be a long term success, I sincerely hope they are. If we only get a couple of loans in between now and the end of the window I certainly won't be spitting my dummy out and branding them failures.

    Any change takes time, change that is undoing utter incompetency over a number of years will take even longer. It won't happen overnight.

    As an aside, people.saying they have no money. Isn't part of the EFL test proof of funds? They may not have shelled out for all the fixtures and fittings yet, but they have a legal obligation to do so within a set time frame. I am guessing that they would have had to prove that they had the funding to do that.

    We need to accept that the new owners are running a business and not going to come in an burn money to appease a disenfranchised fanbase.

    Give them a chance, you never know in 2/3 years time we may be back up and challenging for promotion.
    You’ve turned in to Grapevine.
  • Remember when we signed Green on loan. M.S. made out that loan signing would not have been possible in the summer due to the new Owners now being able to manage demands in wages better......this kind of chat is what has unfortunately hooked people in. 
  • mendonca said:
    Remember when we signed Green on loan. M.S. made out that loan signing would not have been possible in the summer due to the new Owners now being able to manage demands in wages better......this kind of chat is what has unfortunately hooked people in. 
    Including I bet... other clubs...
  • Croydon said:
    Interview on the official site doesn't read as bad. I'm hoping that Bowyer is just continuing his usual trait of being coy with the press, otherwise I really don't know what to think.
    Do you think our comms team would put anything other than a positive spin on it? 
  • This thread is unbelievable. The sense of entitlement that some of our fans display is utterly cringe worthy.

    If anyone genuinely believes that we are in a worse position now than we were under Roland then you need to take a long hard look at yourselves.

    I have no idea what our budget is now and only know from snippets on here what it previously was.

    MS has made no secret of the fact that this is a long term project, teams in the Championship are now being found out in relation to flouting FFP. Do people honestly think with our current revenue streams that it is credible for us to go and splash 3/4/5 million on players and God knows what else on wages? I don't profess to know the intricacies of FFP but I have seen the threat of points deductions. Do we  want to risk that.

    ESI are taking over years of mis-management and negligence and there is no way they can fix all of that in the 4/5 weeks they have actually owned the club.

    People keep banding "disaster" round in respect of relegation. Why? We have been relegated before and will be again. If we go down this year it will be largely down to a horrific injury list and paltry squad Roland provided at the start of the season.

    I have no idea whether ESI will be a long term success, I sincerely hope they are. If we only get a couple of loans in between now and the end of the window I certainly won't be spitting my dummy out and branding them failures.

    Any change takes time, change that is undoing utter incompetency over a number of years will take even longer. It won't happen overnight.

    As an aside, people.saying they have no money. Isn't part of the EFL test proof of funds? They may not have shelled out for all the fixtures and fittings yet, but they have a legal obligation to do so within a set time frame. I am guessing that they would have had to prove that they had the funding to do that.

    We need to accept that the new owners are running a business and not going to come in an burn money to appease a disenfranchised fanbase.

    Give them a chance, you never know in 2/3 years time we may be back up and challenging for promotion.
    Fucking hell, are you the new PR guy?  ;)


  • We have a chairman who is an ex agent. We have Steve Gallen who has been under various titles head of recruitment for a number of years and we have Lee Bowyer. I understand that the January window is difficult but so do those mentioned above. The new owners either spend to protect their investment or risk the value of the club going down considerably before they even get their feet under the table. The January window is what it is. We are getting desperate for bodies and we might have to pay a little over the odds to get them. If those above didn’t know that or are working on a very tight budget then I am seriously worried about what lies ahead. No disrespect but the names being mentioned are not going to get us out of trouble. 
  • edited January 2020
    This thread is unbelievable. The sense of entitlement that some of our fans display is utterly cringe worthy.

    If anyone genuinely believes that we are in a worse position now than we were under Roland then you need to take a long hard look at yourselves.

    I have no idea what our budget is now and only know from snippets on here what it previously was.

    MS has made no secret of the fact that this is a long term project, teams in the Championship are now being found out in relation to flouting FFP. Do people honestly think with our current revenue streams that it is credible for us to go and splash 3/4/5 million on players and God knows what else on wages? I don't profess to know the intricacies of FFP but I have seen the threat of points deductions. Do we  want to risk that.

    ESI are taking over years of mis-management and negligence and there is no way they can fix all of that in the 4/5 weeks they have actually owned the club.

    People keep banding "disaster" round in respect of relegation. Why? We have been relegated before and will be again. If we go down this year it will be largely down to a horrific injury list and paltry squad Roland provided at the start of the season.

    I have no idea whether ESI will be a long term success, I sincerely hope they are. If we only get a couple of loans in between now and the end of the window I certainly won't be spitting my dummy out and branding them failures.

    Any change takes time, change that is undoing utter incompetency over a number of years will take even longer. It won't happen overnight.

    As an aside, people.saying they have no money. Isn't part of the EFL test proof of funds? They may not have shelled out for all the fixtures and fittings yet, but they have a legal obligation to do so within a set time frame. I am guessing that they would have had to prove that they had the funding to do that.

    We need to accept that the new owners are running a business and not going to come in an burn money to appease a disenfranchised fanbase.

    Give them a chance, you never know in 2/3 years time we may be back up and challenging for promotion.
    that is a very good description of what RD was doing

    last summer under the previous owner we did not sell Lyle and brought in some good loans, now our manager is pleading with the new owner not to sell Lyle for what would probably be a smaller amount.

    I'm glad RD has gone, I have tried to support the new owners but am finding that increasingly difficult when it seems they have not yet paid for the club and grounds and have so far been unable to strengthen our squad when the teams around us have done so, nor secured the complete management team with new contracts

    I really hope that in the next 36ish hours I am proved very wrong
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