Well like for many I guess this creates a conundrum for me:-
Whilst I intended to renew late as per card at circa £275/£300 per annum I could now try and renew next week at £175. To me that's a saving of £100 and would apply to my son too reducing our combined spend from £550 to £350. We currently don't buy any product in the ground.
Is that putting more or less money in Roland's pocket?
Also from north lower I can actually get to my current seat and to my recall have never been challenged to show my season ticket. I doubt my current seat or close by will not be available so I feel I could cheat on km and rd and feel quite good about that.
My sentiments are similar to north standsteve.
I appreciate that this is not generally well received on here but 4 generations of my family have been going to the valley since the 1930's. 3 of my family have appeared on the memorial roll call in recent years including my father my first wife and my younger brother all tragically lost to cancer. I don't want rd and Km to rob me of something I hold dear and has played such a large part in my life.
Whilst I intended to renew late as per card at circa £275/£300 per annum I could now try and renew next week at £175. To me that's a saving of £100 and would apply to my son too reducing our combined spend from £550 to £350. We currently don't buy any product in the ground.
Is that putting more or less money in Roland's pocket?
The answer is that it's putting money in Roland's pocket.
If 27,000 people renewed at £175, then everything thus far would have been for nothing.
I think everyone needs to do what they personally believe is right, given the regime and its implications for the club v. an individual desire to continue spending leisure time as one wants to spend it, if that desire is to continue to support the team then fair enough.
We all have individual decisions to make, we shouldn't be turning on others making different decisions to our own. There is no right and wrong here, just as other threads have debated the issue of those that choose not to protest. There is only one enemy and its not each other.
I think the arguement of whether to renew or not comes down to principle v people's enjoyment/hobby.
I'm not renewing because of the former but fully understand people who do not want to give up going for whatever reasons(unless they are in the camp of thinking Duchatelet is doing a good job, and there still are a few out there).
Whilst I intended to renew late as per card at circa £275/£300 per annum I could now try and renew next week at £175. To me that's a saving of £100 and would apply to my son too reducing our combined spend from £550 to £350. We currently don't buy any product in the ground.
Is that putting more or less money in Roland's pocket?
The answer is that it's putting money in Roland's pocket.
If 27,000 people renewed at £175, then everything thus far would have been for nothing.
Of course it's not. Did you read what he said ? He was going to renew at £275, so he now may renew at £175.
It's quite plain that he will be giving the regime less, if he was going to renew anyway.
1. If everyone renews then there can be no legitimate call for 'change' as there is no offending action other largely an on-going level of disharmony surrounding the club, that doesn't effect the absent owner in any way.
2. If everyone who is unhappy with the regime did not renew then there would have to be some form of change as the wider fall-out would be greater, and sustained pressure could then arguably be levied through wider press and public bodies on the more prominently noticeable eroding of a football club.
3. If only those who don't renew are those that are unhappy AND prepared to stick to their principles then its pretty uncertain what impact it will have depending on the numbers of those of us who fit into that category.
Naturally, i wished everyone was in the 2 category, as i think that would be the quickest way to some form of change, and from a personally selfish point of view the least likely to impact on my long-term support.
Whilst I intended to renew late as per card at circa £275/£300 per annum I could now try and renew next week at £175. To me that's a saving of £100 and would apply to my son too reducing our combined spend from £550 to £350. We currently don't buy any product in the ground.
Is that putting more or less money in Roland's pocket?
The answer is that it's putting money in Roland's pocket.
If 27,000 people renewed at £175, then everything thus far would have been for nothing.
Of course it's not. Did you read what he said ? He was going to renew at £275, so he now may renew at £175.
It's quite plain that he will be giving the regime less, if he was going to renew anyway.
Good point. If everyone who was going to renew anyway does so in the covered end lower, it will be claimed as a great result by km for the offer but in reality it will be loosing the club even more money. My personal view would be that it is ideal if nobody renews but that is unrealistic so perhaps everyone could be persuaded to buy in the covered end lower?
Whilst I intended to renew late as per card at circa £275/£300 per annum I could now try and renew next week at £175. To me that's a saving of £100 and would apply to my son too reducing our combined spend from £550 to £350. We currently don't buy any product in the ground.
Is that putting more or less money in Roland's pocket?
The answer is that it's putting money in Roland's pocket.
If 27,000 people renewed at £175, then everything thus far would have been for nothing.
Of course it's not. Did you read what he said ? He was going to renew at £275, so he now may renew at £175.
It's quite plain that he will be giving the regime less, if he was going to renew anyway.
Why not delay and renew at the last minute for £200?
I think lots of people won't renew full stop. Others will wait and see and renew last thing (although trying to give a Euro billionaire a cash flow problem might prove difficult) Tickets wont be sent out until late anyway
Whilst I intended to renew late as per card at circa £275/£300 per annum I could now try and renew next week at £175. To me that's a saving of £100 and would apply to my son too reducing our combined spend from £550 to £350. We currently don't buy any product in the ground.
Is that putting more or less money in Roland's pocket?
The answer is that it's putting money in Roland's pocket.
If 27,000 people renewed at £175, then everything thus far would have been for nothing.
If 27000 people all try and sit in the Lower North, it'll get a bit crowded in there!
If the NL sells out to STs how do they set away ticket prices ? They have to be the same as NL match sales don't they ?
Unlikely to sell out ;-) My guess would be that they will always reserve a handful of seats for match day sale only to enable price setting but I doubt if they are thinking that far ahead...
North Lower won't sell out. I doubt many will move from the East and West as fans don't like to sit behind the goal for a reason. A few may move from the North Upper I suppose but not many.
Matters not a jot to me as I won't be there much anyway.
North Lower won't sell out. I doubt many will move from the East and West as fans don't like to sit behind the goal for a reason. A few may move from the North Upper I suppose but not many.
Matters not a jot to me as I won't be there much anyway.
Most of those in A block East Stand will move and on the opposite side in the West stand which will please you as a matter of principle Large, as they won't be able to bunk into the dearer seats anymore.
The North Lower is absolutely dog s***e if you're over 6ft2, like me (or even 5ft3 I'd take a shout at). I've sat there during some of the FA Cup matches, and the leg space is worse that a f*****g Thompson Airlines Economy seat, with someone whos arrogantly relined their seat back. The main reason why I sit where I do, because you get some decent leg room that makes sitting there comfortable. They can stick their ST prices somewhere unpleasant.
The North Lower is absolutely dog s***e if you're over 6ft2, like me (or even 5ft3 I'd take a shout at). I've sat there during some of the FA Cup matches, and the leg space is worse that a f*****g Thompson Airlines Economy seat, with someone whos arrogantly relined their seat back. The main reason why I sit where I do, because you get some decent leg room that makes sitting there comfortable. They can stick their ST prices somewhere unpleasant.
The North Lower is absolutely dog s***e if you're over 6ft2, like me (or even 5ft3 I'd take a shout at). I've sat there during some of the FA Cup matches, and the leg space is worse that a f*****g Thompson Airlines Economy seat, with someone whos arrogantly relined their seat back. The main reason why I sit where I do, because you get some decent leg room that makes sitting there comfortable. They can stick their ST prices somewhere unpleasant.
I'm 5ft 8 and have the same issue.
It's very silly.
Totally. I wonder how many "Please remain seated" jobsworth stewards you'd get, to which the response would be "I'd sit down, if I could fit in there."
I sit in the NL, half price ticket and I still won't be renewing. Not in the least part interested in League 1 under these owners watching a bunch of network mercenary's. It's just not what I want my football club to be
The North Lower is absolutely dog s***e if you're over 6ft2, like me (or even 5ft3 I'd take a shout at). I've sat there during some of the FA Cup matches, and the leg space is worse that a f*****g Thompson Airlines Economy seat, with someone whos arrogantly relined their seat back. The main reason why I sit where I do, because you get some decent leg room that makes sitting there comfortable. They can stick their ST prices somewhere unpleasant.
To be fair, the lower North and Jimmy Seed are the oldest parts of the ground, and built to lower standards than the rest of the ground.
If Safe Standing ever comes in, the Lower North would be the obvious part to convert
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Whilst I intended to renew late as per card at circa £275/£300 per annum I could now try and renew next week at £175. To me that's a saving of £100 and would apply to my son too reducing our combined spend from £550 to £350. We currently don't buy any product in the ground.
Is that putting more or less money in Roland's pocket?
Also from north lower I can actually get to my current seat and to my recall have never been challenged to show my season ticket. I doubt my current seat or close by will not be available so I feel I could cheat on km and rd and feel quite good about that.
My sentiments are similar to north standsteve.
I appreciate that this is not generally well received on here but 4 generations of my family have been going to the valley since the 1930's. 3 of my family have appeared on the memorial roll call in recent years including my father my first wife and my younger brother all tragically lost to cancer. I don't want rd and Km to rob me of something I hold dear and has played such a large part in my life.
If 27,000 people renewed at £175, then everything thus far would have been for nothing.
We all have individual decisions to make, we shouldn't be turning on others making different decisions to our own. There is no right and wrong here, just as other threads have debated the issue of those that choose not to protest. There is only one enemy and its not each other.
I'm not renewing because of the former but fully understand people who do not want to give up going for whatever reasons(unless they are in the camp of thinking Duchatelet is doing a good job, and there still are a few out there).
Self service
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It's quite plain that he will be giving the regime less, if he was going to renew anyway.
2. If everyone who is unhappy with the regime did not renew then there would have to be some form of change as the wider fall-out would be greater, and sustained pressure could then arguably be levied through wider press and public bodies on the more prominently noticeable eroding of a football club.
3. If only those who don't renew are those that are unhappy AND prepared to stick to their principles then its pretty uncertain what impact it will have depending on the numbers of those of us who fit into that category.
Naturally, i wished everyone was in the 2 category, as i think that would be the quickest way to some form of change, and from a personally selfish point of view the least likely to impact on my long-term support.
My personal view would be that it is ideal if nobody renews but that is unrealistic so perhaps everyone could be persuaded to buy in the covered end lower?
I think lots of people won't renew full stop. Others will wait and see and renew last thing (although trying to give a Euro billionaire a cash flow problem might prove difficult) Tickets wont be sent out until late anyway
Matters not a jot to me as I won't be there much anyway.
Do you think they will allow you to upgrade to the north upper at a later stage I assume this would be the case if the difference was paid
My father will go as he has done over the last 50 years and I won't let what's going on at the club ruin the valuable time I spend with him
It's very silly.
If Safe Standing ever comes in, the Lower North would be the obvious part to convert
Seriously, on what fucking planet does that make any sense at all - five different prices for six different blocks all sharing the same facilities?