I don't get the comments saying how good this deal is.
Correct me if I am wrong but weren't the cheapest seats this season 150 quid? So prices have either stayed the same (in fact increased with less discount) or increased in the case of some east stand seats by a huge margin.
Yes the covered end lower is cheaper than this season but they are considered inferior to the east stand even though it makes much more sense to have the cheap seats in the covered end.
This whole launch and pricing is a con. Prices should have been reduced in all parts of the ground to reflect the shit football. They have kept the west stand expensive in order to try and contain protests in one small area away from km.
This is not a good deal at all. Tell her to do one.
I thought the club would have slashed the prices to counter the unrest and get bums on seats.
For me this is just another example of how detached they are from reality, and how completely clueless they are at every turn.
Duchatelet wants to do things cheaply, but aside from that I'm convinced there is no evil master plan. He normally talks sense when explaining broader policy - the club really are just completely awful at every aspect of planning and execution. This amateurishness can be seen everywhere - in baffling player sales, silly sofas and now the ticket prices.
I honestly think all those on here second-guessing why this or that price-point was finely tuned to force our hands, make the stands look better on TV etc are wide of the mark and giving the management way too much credit.
This is a ramshackle machine, spluttering out the quickfire ideas from a group of Apprentice contestants.
I have merely seen the title of this thread & have NO interest whatsoever in next season's prices.
They could be offering my seat in East Stand, Block E for £50 for the season, and I still wouldn't renew.
This lady's not for turning , or indeed wooing......
Are you still intending to go to every home game?
I've stated my position several times on here as I'm sure you are aware, EA and it won't change.
Maybe I am deluded.
Maybe I am guilty of double standards by being a serial protester whilst still attending home games.
But the slogan " Support the team, NOT the regime" sums up my stance.
Yes, I may end up out of pocket from buying tickets on a match by match basis.
Yes, I AM still giving money to those dastardly Belgians by purchasing said tickets.
But I still won't be giving them my cash up front to help pay those , possibly , overdue bills during the close season.
And they won't be able to add me into the matchday attendance figures if I fail to make it to a game.
Supporters far more intelligent & wiser than me have stated they believe that it may take years to purge our Club of this disease currently slowly killing it.
Younger fans may buy into this and say we'll still be around when RD sells up.
But as I approach my 68th year, it's possible that I might not be around when that exultant time arrives.
And if I'm not attending whilst I'm fit & healthy, who will bring the next generation of supporters along in the shape of my grandkids ?
This is my choice.
Whether it's yours or whether you disagree with my reasoning, TBH, I really don't care.
I think you need to get off your high horse.
Politely, I understand people who still want to go as why let the Belgians ruin what fans have been doing for however many years.
Politely, I understand people renewing season tickets for the same reasons.
What I do not understand is people giving more money to the Belgians than they have to with the match tickets.
Your final comment was uncalled for.
As an aside, if I had a problem with your stance I would not have put myself out and try and help you with your Rotherham train tickets.
I have merely seen the title of this thread & have NO interest whatsoever in next season's prices.
They could be offering my seat in East Stand, Block E for £50 for the season, and I still wouldn't renew.
This lady's not for turning , or indeed wooing......
Are you still intending to go to every home game?
I've stated my position several times on here as I'm sure you are aware, EA and it won't change.
Maybe I am deluded.
Maybe I am guilty of double standards by being a serial protester whilst still attending home games.
But the slogan " Support the team, NOT the regime" sums up my stance.
Yes, I may end up out of pocket from buying tickets on a match by match basis.
Yes, I AM still giving money to those dastardly Belgians by purchasing said tickets.
But I still won't be giving them my cash up front to help pay those , possibly , overdue bills during the close season.
And they won't be able to add me into the matchday attendance figures if I fail to make it to a game.
Supporters far more intelligent & wiser than me have stated they believe that it may take years to purge our Club of this disease currently slowly killing it.
Younger fans may buy into this and say we'll still be around when RD sells up.
But as I approach my 68th year, it's possible that I might not be around when that exultant time arrives.
And if I'm not attending whilst I'm fit & healthy, who will bring the next generation of supporters along in the shape of my grandkids ?
This is my choice.
Whether it's yours or whether you disagree with my reasoning, TBH, I really don't care.
I think you need to get off your high horse.
Politely, I understand people who still want to go as why let the Belgians ruin what fans have been doing for however many years.
Politely, I understand people renewing season tickets for the same reasons.
What I do not understand is people giving more money to the Belgians than they have to with the match tickets.
Your final comment was uncalled for.
As an aside, if I had a problem with your stance I would not have put myself out and try and help you with your Rotherham train tickets.
Bloody hell, fella gets the Eurostar once and suddenly he's Richard the Lionheart !
Interesting pricing model, I was probably going to renew anyway and probably still will however I completely understand the reasoning of those who won't, gutted that it's come to this for so many.
I won't be renewing irrespective of the price until they have gone. The football this season has been dire and we have had more unqualified management, more temporary ,mercenaries and the Regime continues to treat us with contempt. I was expecting them to be more ambitious with their pricing strategy here but should have known better. I will pick and choose next season, go to less matches as a consequence, probably get less depressed as a consequence and, if there's still no change, will consider watching Welling United on a Saturday afternoon.
My Season ticket has actually gone up in price. I sit in the East Stand and I got my ticket as a concession. The concessional age has now gone up to sixty Five and I don't qualify. I paid 225 pounds which is 240 less Valley Gold discount. If I wanted a ticket now I would have to pay 310 pounds which is 325 less 15 pounds Valley Gold discount. Which means I would have to pay eighty five pounds more to watch First Division Football next Season. NO THANKS.
Hope this thread doesn't de-rail into if you renew you are this and if you dont you are that.I would say we have gone from 2% to 90% being unhappy, but how each and every person decides to deal with it is up to them.I find some of the posts on here a bit insulting, I respect each person decision as said previously the match is a part of my saturday experience, not all of it, a lot of friends I only see at matches and I won't let the owners stop this. One day I will even see the new slimfit Dave Mehmet.
Hope this thread doesn't de-rail into if you renew you are this and if you dont you are that.I would say we have gone from 2% to 90% being unhappy, but how each and every person decides to deal with it is up to them.I find some of the posts on here a bit insulting, I respect each person decision as said previously the match is a part of my saturday experience, not all of it, a lot of friends I only see at matches and I won't let the owners stop this. One day I will even see the new slimfit Dave Mehmet.
My ticket has been frozen at £325, which works out at just over £14 per match for League 1 football (edited as my maths is shocking) - it now seems a little expensive but anyway In any other season, time period, whatever you want to call it, I'd have been all over that. This time, I can't do it & now the prices have been announced, the reality has dawned on me. I want to watch Charlton, I want a Season Ticket, but while Duchàtelet remains as owner & his cancer seeps into the club, I simply can't renew.
Only money I spend on Charlton related stuff is my VOTV subscription.
Same thoughts here - just can't renew as things stand despite being one of the 'lucky ones' who became eligible for the senior concession at 60 and if I don't renew won't be eligible again until 2018 as was raised to 65 this year for new applicants. I wonder what league we will be in then?
Have already decided not to attend Tuesday's game despite its possible importance and would you believe it contacted by VG to say have been selected for a Champagne Dinner and seats in Executive Box for 2 for the game. Not that long ago would been really pleased but now feel nothing and won't be taking up the offer. So sad
I think that Meire & Duchatelet know that the season ticket take up will be disastrous. Instead of fixing the problems they are managing the decline and planning for much lower attendances.
Sub 7,000 to 5,000 crowds (sub 5,000 for midweek Northern opponents on a cold winter's night with poor trains) won't need all parts of the stadium to be open. We know that Duchatelet is a skinflint who counts the pennies and cents on stewarding / policing costs. I can see the upper west being closed and parts of the East Stand considered to being closed. Moving away supporters around, which will need to be negotiated with the police a possible later option.
When the short highlights of goals & Academy star turns are played, there will be supporters behind the goal in the North Upper and the west lower will be full.
My question for Richard Murray is, how is this not running the club into the ground ?
It is very unclear. I took a screenshot of the website a few days before the prices were announced.
Looking at the figures then the prices displayed for Adult and Concessions are mostly £25 below what they were on the website a few days ago. Zone 1 & 5 concessions are £20 cheaper ?
The prices for Adult Disabled, Concessions Disabled, Under 18, Under 11 are all the same.
The website states "Fans can guarantee their seat and save up to £25 by purchasing ahead of the early bird deadline on Saturday, April 16th."
So does that include all tickets including concessions and disabled ?
In emails the club sent last year they said "Next season Charlton are remaining one of the most affordable teams to follow in the entire Football League"
This year "Charlton Athletic remains one of the most affordable professional clubs to watch in London"
My Season ticket has actually gone up in price. I sit in the East Stand and I got my ticket as a concession. The concessional age has now gone up to sixty Five and I don't qualify. I paid 225 pounds which is 240 less Valley Gold discount. If I wanted a ticket now I would have to pay 310 pounds which is 325 less 15 pounds Valley Gold discount. Which means I would have to pay eighty five pounds more to watch First Division Football next Season. NO THANKS.
In a club email last year they said "While the age for senior concessions has risen to 65, any supporters between the ages of 60-65 renewing a previous concessions ticket will still be eligible for the discounted rate."
Can't see a reference to this situation in their FAQ this year but worth a phone call to them. Hope you can get it at the discounted rate if you do want to renew.
As I've said previously, everyone has to decide for themselves & I don't criticise anyone for whatever they choose to do.
However, for all the people choosing to no longer go on a matter of principal until RD goes.
If we were in The Prem next season (ok I accept it won't happen under RD), The Valley would probably have about 15,000 S/T holders, including many of the I'm not going while RD is the owner.
As I've said before I want RD gone as much as anyone and have possibly protested, leafleted etc more than many.
175 notes in the North Lower is a no brainer if you wish to purchase a season ticket to watch League One football next season. 3400 tickets will all go in my opinion, but the spin put on this by the club is a Derek Underwood standard.
However the prices on the other stands as stayed exactly the same but to watch a lower level of football. If people are wavering for next season, then bar the Lower North there is no incentive.
You can only LOL at these prices! Further evidence (if any is needed) of the fact that those running the club are completely deluded - as are those supporters who are "advising" on the Target 20k campaign. (Honestly, it's time to pack up and stop wasting your time).
In fairness, the offer for north Lower seats is good and i'm sure will be successful. However, the cynic in me just sees this as a way to close the North Upper the year after next as Squirrel face claims no-one sits there anymore.
As for the rest of us, what possible incentive to re-new is there? My seat in the East Stand stays at £475 to watch presumably next year a team of kids, mercenaries and cheap foreign imports "compete" (I use the word advisely) in lower league football in a stadium which will be two thirds empty. This at a time when I read this morning that Everton are REDUCING the price for all adult season tickets next year.
And finally, the decision to increase the age fror a senior ticket from 60 - 65 is mean, petty and small-minded in the extreme. The amount of money it will rise is incredibly small. But the loss of goodwill is immense. In my opinion sums up everything that is wrong with the current owners.
Nope, I'm keeping my word. After 18 years in our current seats, I will not be renewing either mine or my son's ticket. Instead, we'll pick and choose our visits. But like others, as soon as these parasites have gone, we'll renew our tickets.
As I've said previously, everyone has to decide for themselves & I don't criticise anyone for whatever they choose to do.
However, for all the people choosing to no longer go on a matter of principal until RD goes.
If we were in The Prem next season (ok I accept it won't happen under RD), The Valley would probably have about 15,000 S/T holders, including many of the I'm not going while RD is the owner.
As I've said before I want RD gone as much as anyone and have possibly protested, leafleted etc more than many.
#justsaying.
Ok I'm off to Brentford now
Yeah but - in your alternate reality if we were in the Prem, that would mean RD had given it a proper go and had been a success. Nobody would need to protest.
As I've said previously, everyone has to decide for themselves & I don't criticise anyone for whatever they choose to do.
However, for all the people choosing to no longer go on a matter of principal until RD goes.
If we were in The Prem next season (ok I accept it won't happen under RD), The Valley would probably have about 15,000 S/T holders, including many of the I'm not going while RD is the owner.
As I've said before I want RD gone as much as anyone and have possibly protested, leafleted etc more than many.
#justsaying.
Ok I'm off to Brentford now
Completely irrelevant analogy. If we were in the Premiership next season it would be as a result of the club being managed very well under their stewardship and to get promotion from this league would be by virtue of remarkable success on the field, likely garnered by an excellent manager, astute recruitment policy and a shrewd board backing football people in the know to deliver. Hence no one really would have had anything to have a pop at the board for (beyond the serial moaner types who were phoning up 606 demanding Curbishley go after draws away at Everton etc).
Had any of this happened then there would not have been any cause for me nor many others to protest. The divy cow's customer comments may have even been less abrasive had the club not been in the utter shitstorm it has been for the past 2 years. But under a sensible regime she would have a) never be employed as entirely under qualified or b) long since removed when it became evident everything she touches turns to shit.
But none of these things have happened. In fact quite the opposite. I wanted this lot to succeed and even as releatively recently at QPR on the opening day thought maybe I'd got it wrong and the gimmicks like the sofa, the Powell sacking etc should perhaps be overlooked and maybe just maybe they had a clue. It's quite clear not and that the longer they are hear the more damage they will do to the club.
I am not against Leicester's board and don't suppose their supporters are.
As much of a clusterfuck as Murray proved he was post Curbishley during the pardew, dowie, parkinson times when were were plummeting and didn't have a pot we still kept our identity and there was a sense of unity. Even under the Jiminez era they had a footballing clue and delivered success in promotion via a club hero until the cash ran out. Despite them not being popular in certain quarters of our support there was never the level of disharmony of the current level and certainly not the array of protests the past 6 months have yielded despite us being in more immediate perilous positions arguably then.
But this lot are eroding the soul, the identity and the heartbeat (it's fanbase) of the club and it's gone from 2% to 99% seeing it within a number of months. Along with that they're eroding the football status and league standing and will make a further relegation next season more likely than a return to the Championship and who knows where it will end under them. To continue fund such a regime seemingly determined, or at least sufficiently incompetent enough to completely destroy this club on and off the pitch is sheer lunacy despite best intentions and how you justify it.
Saying that we would have 15k season tickets were we in the Premiership and people boycotting like myself would be included in that is akin to stating that the Titanic would still be doing cruises had they not run into a bloody great big iceberg.
For myself the matter of principle of not going is because of the appalling mismanagement of the club from top to bottom which I will no longer fund.
Fair enough for those who choose to go but don't try and justify or spin it to the rest of us that you are not funding and thereby in essence enabling and indirectly consenting to this mob driving the club and its fanbase into the ground. Of course we would be back if we were in the premiership....because we would never have had cause to boycott in the first place....I've supported the club in League one all over the country for the past 25 years and seen as bad if not far worse on the pitch than what we've seen recently yet never felt the need, no the duty to stay away like I do now. Standing outside the Valley when a game is in full swing awaiting the protests as I have done on 2 occasions this season is a haunting and thoroughly depressing experience and not one that I relish repeating.
As I said in my earlier post I would love to go back to the Valley asap as I miss it for the same reasons those who say they'll continue to go do. But I cannot see how paying the Board money to sit there in a black and white scarf is a better course of action to get them gone than completely avoiding paying them money and not sitting in the stadium so they can't show attendances to future sponsors and advertisers etc and earn even more off us.
They won't go as long as people are paying them and sitting there.
It's like being anti Ladbrokes but going into there twice a week to spend money and then wondering why they don't shut up shop and clear off after you've complained about the way they run the betting shop.
My Season ticket has actually gone up in price. I sit in the East Stand and I got my ticket as a concession. The concessional age has now gone up to sixty Five and I don't qualify. I paid 225 pounds which is 240 less Valley Gold discount. If I wanted a ticket now I would have to pay 310 pounds which is 325 less 15 pounds Valley Gold discount. Which means I would have to pay eighty five pounds more to watch First Division Football next Season. NO THANKS.
In a club email last year they said "While the age for senior concessions has risen to 65, any supporters between the ages of 60-65 renewing a previous concessions ticket will still be eligible for the discounted rate."
Can't see a reference to this situation in their FAQ this year but worth a phone call to them. Hope you can get it at the discounted rate if you do want to renew.
175 notes in the North Lower is a no brainer if you wish to purchase a season ticket to watch League One football next season. 3400 tickets will all go in my opinion, but the spin put on this by the club is a Derek Underwood standard.
However the prices on the other stands as stayed exactly the same but to watch a lower level of football. If people are wavering for next season, then bar the Lower North there is no incentive.
Can't see us selling out in the North Lower Shirty. I reckon they will do well to get more than 3500 renewals and they won't all want the long-sighted view behind the goal....
As I've said previously, everyone has to decide for themselves & I don't criticise anyone for whatever they choose to do.
However, for all the people choosing to no longer go on a matter of principal until RD goes.
If we were in The Prem next season (ok I accept it won't happen under RD), The Valley would probably have about 15,000 S/T holders, including many of the I'm not going while RD is the owner.
As I've said before I want RD gone as much as anyone and have possibly protested, leafleted etc more than many.
#justsaying.
Ok I'm off to Brentford now
Of course we would be back if we were in the premiership
Still can't believe how rubbish this is in comparison with previous suggestions.
£200 anywhere in the ground, first come first served would surely have got a lot of takers which would have been well worth it.
The club is being run like a Roland's private commode. He just sits in the chair and keeps pissing and shitting into the club whenever he feels like it without ever having to move more than one or two muscles.
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Correct me if I am wrong but weren't the cheapest seats this season 150 quid? So prices have either stayed the same (in fact increased with less discount) or increased in the case of some east stand seats by a huge margin.
Yes the covered end lower is cheaper than this season but they are considered inferior to the east stand even though it makes much more sense to have the cheap seats in the covered end.
This whole launch and pricing is a con. Prices should have been reduced in all parts of the ground to reflect the shit football. They have kept the west stand expensive in order to try and contain protests in one small area away from km.
This is not a good deal at all. Tell her to do one.
Duchatelet wants to do things cheaply, but aside from that I'm convinced there is no evil master plan. He normally talks sense when explaining broader policy - the club really are just completely awful at every aspect of planning and execution. This amateurishness can be seen everywhere - in baffling player sales, silly sofas and now the ticket prices.
I honestly think all those on here second-guessing why this or that price-point was finely tuned to force our hands, make the stands look better on TV etc are wide of the mark and giving the management way too much credit.
This is a ramshackle machine, spluttering out the quickfire ideas from a group of Apprentice contestants.
Politely, I understand people who still want to go as why let the Belgians ruin what fans have been doing for however many years.
Politely, I understand people renewing season tickets for the same reasons.
What I do not understand is people giving more money to the Belgians than they have to with the match tickets.
Your final comment was uncalled for.
As an aside, if I had a problem with your stance I would not have put myself out and try and help you with your Rotherham train tickets.
Interesting pricing model, I was probably going to renew anyway and probably still will however I completely understand the reasoning of those who won't, gutted that it's come to this for so many.
Have already decided not to attend Tuesday's game despite its possible importance and would you believe it contacted by VG to say have been selected for a Champagne Dinner and seats in Executive Box for 2 for the game. Not that long ago would been really pleased but now feel nothing and won't be taking up the offer. So sad
Sub 7,000 to 5,000 crowds (sub 5,000 for midweek Northern opponents on a cold winter's night with poor trains) won't need all parts of the stadium to be open. We know that Duchatelet is a skinflint who counts the pennies and cents on stewarding / policing costs. I can see the upper west being closed and parts of the East Stand considered to being closed. Moving away supporters around, which will need to be negotiated with the police a possible later option.
When the short highlights of goals & Academy star turns are played, there will be supporters behind the goal in the North Upper and the west lower will be full.
My question for Richard Murray is, how is this not running the club into the ground ?
It would be nice if the club could clarify this!
Looking at the figures then the prices displayed for Adult and Concessions are mostly £25 below what they were on the website a few days ago. Zone 1 & 5 concessions are £20 cheaper ?
The prices for Adult Disabled, Concessions Disabled, Under 18, Under 11 are all the same.
The website states "Fans can guarantee their seat and save up to £25 by purchasing ahead of the early bird deadline on Saturday, April 16th."
So does that include all tickets including concessions and disabled ?
Clear as mud.
This year "Charlton Athletic remains one of the most affordable professional clubs to watch in London"
Can't see a reference to this situation in their FAQ this year but worth a phone call to them. Hope you can get it at the discounted rate if you do want to renew.
As I've said previously, everyone has to decide for themselves & I don't criticise anyone for whatever they choose to do.
However, for all the people choosing to no longer go on a matter of principal until RD goes.
If we were in The Prem next season (ok I accept it won't happen under RD), The Valley would probably have about 15,000 S/T holders, including many of the I'm not going while RD is the owner.
As I've said before I want RD gone as much as anyone and have possibly protested, leafleted etc more than many.
#justsaying.
Ok I'm off to Brentford now
However the prices on the other stands as stayed exactly the same but to watch a lower level of football. If people are wavering for next season, then bar the Lower North there is no incentive.
In fairness, the offer for north Lower seats is good and i'm sure will be successful. However, the cynic in me just sees this as a way to close the North Upper the year after next as Squirrel face claims no-one sits there anymore.
As for the rest of us, what possible incentive to re-new is there? My seat in the East Stand stays at £475 to watch presumably next year a team of kids, mercenaries and cheap foreign imports "compete" (I use the word advisely) in lower league football in a stadium which will be two thirds empty. This at a time when I read this morning that Everton are REDUCING the price for all adult season tickets next year.
And finally, the decision to increase the age fror a senior ticket from 60 - 65 is mean, petty and small-minded in the extreme. The amount of money it will rise is incredibly small. But the loss of goodwill is immense. In my opinion sums up everything that is wrong with the current owners.
Nope, I'm keeping my word. After 18 years in our current seats, I will not be renewing either mine or my son's ticket. Instead, we'll pick and choose our visits. But like others, as soon as these parasites have gone, we'll renew our tickets.
Yeah but - in your alternate reality if we were in the Prem, that would mean RD had given it a proper go and had been a success. Nobody would need to protest.
We're not, and he's not.
Had any of this happened then there would not have been any cause for me nor many others to protest. The divy cow's customer comments may have even been less abrasive had the club not been in the utter shitstorm it has been for the past 2 years. But under a sensible regime she would have a) never be employed as entirely under qualified or b) long since removed when it became evident everything she touches turns to shit.
But none of these things have happened. In fact quite the opposite. I wanted this lot to succeed and even as releatively recently at QPR on the opening day thought maybe I'd got it wrong and the gimmicks like the sofa, the Powell sacking etc should perhaps be overlooked and maybe just maybe they had a clue. It's quite clear not and that the longer they are hear the more damage they will do to the club.
I am not against Leicester's board and don't suppose their supporters are.
As much of a clusterfuck as Murray proved he was post Curbishley during the pardew, dowie, parkinson times when were were plummeting and didn't have a pot we still kept our identity and there was a sense of unity. Even under the Jiminez era they had a footballing clue and delivered success in promotion via a club hero until the cash ran out. Despite them not being popular in certain quarters of our support there was never the level of disharmony of the current level and certainly not the array of protests the past 6 months have yielded despite us being in more immediate perilous positions arguably then.
But this lot are eroding the soul, the identity and the heartbeat (it's fanbase) of the club and it's gone from 2% to 99% seeing it within a number of months. Along with that they're eroding the football status and league standing and will make a further relegation next season more likely than a return to the Championship and who knows where it will end under them. To continue fund such a regime seemingly determined, or at least sufficiently incompetent enough to completely destroy this club on and off the pitch is sheer lunacy despite best intentions and how you justify it.
Saying that we would have 15k season tickets were we in the Premiership and people boycotting like myself would be included in that is akin to stating that the Titanic would still be doing cruises had they not run into a bloody great big iceberg.
For myself the matter of principle of not going is because of the appalling mismanagement of the club from top to bottom which I will no longer fund.
Fair enough for those who choose to go but don't try and justify or spin it to the rest of us that you are not funding and thereby in essence enabling and indirectly consenting to this mob driving the club and its fanbase into the ground. Of course we would be back if we were in the premiership....because we would never have had cause to boycott in the first place....I've supported the club in League one all over the country for the past 25 years and seen as bad if not far worse on the pitch than what we've seen recently yet never felt the need, no the duty to stay away like I do now. Standing outside the Valley when a game is in full swing awaiting the protests as I have done on 2 occasions this season is a haunting and thoroughly depressing experience and not one that I relish repeating.
As I said in my earlier post I would love to go back to the Valley asap as I miss it for the same reasons those who say they'll continue to go do. But I cannot see how paying the Board money to sit there in a black and white scarf is a better course of action to get them gone than completely avoiding paying them money and not sitting in the stadium so they can't show attendances to future sponsors and advertisers etc and earn even more off us.
They won't go as long as people are paying them and sitting there.
It's like being anti Ladbrokes but going into there twice a week to spend money and then wondering why they don't shut up shop and clear off after you've complained about the way they run the betting shop.
£200 anywhere in the ground, first come first served would surely have got a lot of takers which would have been well worth it.
The club is being run like a Roland's private commode. He just sits in the chair and keeps pissing and shitting into the club whenever he feels like it without ever having to move more than one or two muscles.