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  • Not retaining Riga was their biggest mistake (so far!)
  • I have a photograph which I pulled out last night when I got home wondering what to write on here. I decided to leave it till the train into work rather than commit to an expletive laden fest that would only have expressed, crudely, what everyone else has said. I was among the last to leave last night. I stood watching big Mak's defiant show of emotion/poncy drama queen moment (delete according to taste) having just watched Chris Solly and others walk off to a thoroughly deserved chant of "you're not fit to wear the shirt". And I pondered.

    I got home and pulled out the photo. It is of a glorious early summers day in 2012 and is of the aforementioned Master Solly and Monsiour Kermorgant, complete with beret walking round the pitch behind the main group of players, WAGs and offspring acknowledging the east stand. One of our own with a great future before him and another who bled for the cause and excited me with his skill and commitment. The basis for a new bright beginning I thought. And I felt pride and ownership.

    Three and a half years on? Well fuck that for a game of soldiers!

    Great post. The dismantling of Chris Powell's team is one of the biggest balls up this lot of Belgium incompetents has made.
    So we should be relying on Bradley Pritchard and Danny Hollands, both of which are plying their trade in League Two now?

    Not retaining Riga was their biggest mistake (so far!)

    This... Is more so the case
  • edited October 2015

    Huskaris said:

    Huskaris said:


    All in all, we have a playoff squad

    Honest question. On what basis do you come to that conclusion?
    I just think with our first 11, we really do have a strong squad. If you could get Henderson back in that would be a massive start to be honest. I think with Henderson, Gudmundsson, Kashi etc we really would have a proper squad that could challenge. Just my opinion based on how I saw us play at the start of the season.
    This is what keeps me going at the moment (actually I'll always keep going so the first part is meaningless)... For me we showed that we've got class when we brushed aside Queens Park Rangers and Hull, those games weren't flukes and we certainly deserved to win the latter without needing a 98th minute goal.

    We've been in this situation before... We lost a staggering amount of games on the trot in our first Premier League season in 1998/99, ultimately we were relegated that year (so probably not the best example) but we still ended the rot then
    I think the unknown played a factor in our early success. By unknown I mean nobody knew how we were going to play and knew nothing about our players. We caught them on the hop. No better time to play those sort of sides than at the beginning of the season whilst they take a bit of time to adjust. They say cream slowly rises to the top. Look where they are and look at us.
    I honestly don't think having a full squad to choose from would have made much difference to the predicament we find ourselves in.
  • We were truly abysmal - but Gallagher should have been give a second booking for his gesticulations to the crowd after the second goal. The rules on this are pretty clear.
  • sm said:

    We were truly abysmal - but Gallagher should have been give a second booking for his gesticulations to the crowd after the second goal. The rules on this are pretty clear.

    Didnt run into the crowd though did he... He remained on the pitch (i.e. didnt cross the white line) so did nothing wrong
  • Huskaris said:

    Huskaris said:


    All in all, we have a playoff squad

    Honest question. On what basis do you come to that conclusion?
    I just think with our first 11, we really do have a strong squad. If you could get Henderson back in that would be a massive start to be honest. I think with Henderson, Gudmundsson, Kashi etc we really would have a proper squad that could challenge. Just my opinion based on how I saw us play at the start of the season.
    Reality is no side manages even half a season with their full squad, injury free. What this shows is a chronic lack of depth.
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  • Huskaris said:

    All in all, we have a playoff squad, if there is not one single injury, the moment there is an injury we are very, very weak, and 3-4 injuries in, we become a squad battling relegation.

    We clearly do not have anything close to a play-off squad. We may have a play-off starting XI if all fit, but they are unlikely to be all fit at the same time, and under them we have a woefully inadequate squad with a manager who appears to lack the experience/ability/knowledge with how to make best use of them.
  • mogodon said:

    Huskaris said:

    All in all, we have a playoff squad, if there is not one single injury, the moment there is an injury we are very, very weak, and 3-4 injuries in, we become a squad battling relegation.

    We clearly do not have anything close to a play-off squad. We may have a play-off starting XI if all fit, but they are unlikely to be all fit at the same time, and under them we have a woefully inadequate squad with a manager who appears to lack the experience/ability/knowledge with how to make best use of them.
    Ah agreed, what I should have said is a play-off starting XI! But a squad with no depth.
  • Just don't know how we can be over budget when 5 of the starters are academy boys and the average age was 22. That either shows complete naivety or complete financial mismanagement. Katrien you're getting sacked in the morning...
  • I have a photograph which I pulled out last night when I got home wondering what to write on here. I decided to leave it till the train into work rather than commit to an expletive laden fest that would only have expressed, crudely, what everyone else has said. I was among the last to leave last night. I stood watching big Mak's defiant show of emotion/poncy drama queen moment (delete according to taste) having just watched Chris Solly and others walk off to a thoroughly deserved chant of "you're not fit to wear the shirt". And I pondered.

    I got home and pulled out the photo. It is of a glorious early summers day in 2012 and is of the aforementioned Master Solly and Monsiour Kermorgant, complete with beret walking round the pitch behind the main group of players, WAGs and offspring acknowledging the east stand. One of our own with a great future before him and another who bled for the cause and excited me with his skill and commitment. The basis for a new bright beginning I thought. And I felt pride and ownership.

    Three and a half years on? Well fuck that for a game of soldiers!

    Great post. The dismantling of Chris Powell's team is one of the biggest balls up this lot of Belgium incompetents has made.
    So we should be relying on Bradley Pritchard and Danny Hollands, both of which are plying2 their trade in League Two now?

    Not retaining Riga was their biggest mistake (so far!)

    This... Is more so the case
    All they had to do was build on what they inherited, rather than totally dismantle it. Wonder where Anil Koc, Piotr Parzysek (sp?), George Tucudean, etc are currently plying their trade...
    When Powell came in though we sold everyone bar Bradley Wright-Phillips and created a whole new squad... It nearly always happens whenever a new Manager has come through the door @ Sparrows Lane (Dowie / Pardew included)
  • edited October 2015
    Kashi and Bauer are sorely missed. Is the closest to constructive I can manage. I left early for the first time in my 22 years attendance. The squad from which GL made his selection is paper thin but that doesn't excuse selecting Bergdich, he almost makes me nostalgic for Callum Harriot. Playing wide players on their 'wrong' side has proved hopelessly counter productive for the last 2 years with JBG, et al, yet 5 minutes after introducing the Everton makeweight he and THD are swapped over to hamper them both to the point of uselessness. Just 2 examples of Luzon's contribution to the debacle. Naby Sarr and Hadji-Ba are nowhere near to the necessary standard, but sadly indicative of much of Roly Douchebag's recruitment. Tony Watt is still shamefully unfit for which he has to feel humiliated, must'nt he? Last night my neighbour remarked on the physical and capability similarities between JC, KAG and THD, which are in no way positive, she's absolutely right tho, so we can add despondency about the youth development too.
    With the current squad and its lack of fitness I can't see any quick remedies and that includes sacking GL, however if he selects the execrable ZB again we'll know he's already resigned or just actually mad. Would recalling a few loanees help? Maybe. If that's even technically possible. Lennon, Ansah even Calamity can't be any worse. At this rate the January transfer window will arrive too late to avoid the drop to div3. I suspect even Jose Riga's escapology talent would now be sorely stretched. But dry your tears, raise your heads, only 64 sleeps til Christmas! Keep smilin

    P.S. all of you calling for Curbs - Get back on your meds pronto, you're nearing an episode! See your specialist, get your prescription reviewed, for pity's sake, get help!
  • Stig said:

    Things I Noticed at Tonight’s Game

    I noticed how quickly the moon traverses the Jimmy Seed stand in the two hours or so it takes to hold a match. I don’t know how far it actually travels but to see its movement from a quarter of a million miles away, it must be a lot. It’s quite a humbling experience to remember that we are all on a tiny ball in space orbited by another tiny ball and that we are amongst billions of other larger objects. It’s a rather timely reminder that there are far more important things out there than football. I can’t be the only one to have noticed this either, because most of our team looked as if they had been struck by exactly the same thoughts as to the relative unimportance of football.

    I noticed how mobile phones are actually becoming a part of people’s anatomy. So hooked are the human race on their palm sized gadgets, that they physically can’t put them down. I’ve actually noticed this before when seeing hoards of pedestrians or commuters all tuning into their virtual realities. Never before though have I seen a crowd of paying spectators so ready to interact with Wifi-World rather than the one they’ve paid to see.

    I noticed though that at least one little girl still appreciates old fashioned entertainment. She was reading a genuine paper backed book. A book from the Horrible Histories series as it happens. Which is kind of ironic really as another chapter in a very real Horrible History was unfolding right in front of her. She didn’t stay until the end though; her parents deciding that enough was enough. Probably a wise decision, as I’m sure they wouldn’t want to be had up for child cruelty.

    I noticed how irritated I became with the “We are one, we are red, we are Charlton” slogan that periodically pops up on the big screen. A meaningless call for togetherness, doubtless dreamed up by some advertising executive with the intention of earning a few Francs on the back of a false spirit of fellowship and bonhomie. Had the team performed better just occasionally over the past few months it might have worked, but now it just serves as a big-screen reminder of how wrong everything is. No we aren’t bloody ‘one’ - Please stop peddling this lie to us! “He does it his way and they need to accept that” was the message put out in January by Duchâtelet’s legal lieutenant. As unpalatable as that was, it is far nearer the truth that this ‘one Charlton’ nonsense.

    I noticed that as the game went on I was rehearsing in my head a list of things that are more fun that visiting The Valley nowadays. It’s a very long list so I won’t bore you with it.

    I noticed that when the team takes a drubbing, the roads are clearer and it’s a lot easier getting home. The thing is though, that if the highlight of a night out is getting home early, it’s probably a good sign that it’s not worth going out in the first place.

    Finally, as I listened to The Stranglers on the way home I noticed how there’s always a song that sums things up perfectly, no matter what the situation. Sadly, today that song was No More Heroes.

    What’s that? What did I notice about the football? Nothing really - this is Duchâtelet’s Charlton, we don't do football.

    Brilliant post, @Stig. Probably the best I've ever seen on here.
  • Addickted said:

    We need more Nobbys and less Nabys.

    Solano? Do with him yeah

    (love it when the casual xenophobia rises to the surface at these times eh)
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  • Leuth said:

    Addickted said:

    We need more Nobbys and less Nabys.

    Solano? Do with him yeah

    (love it when the casual xenophobia rises to the surface at these times eh)
    Don't be so stupid.

    What this team is crying out for is a nucleus of experienced pros who have played Championship football. A bit like Fulham had with O'Hara and Preston had with Gallagher last night. (Dare I even say we had when Roger Johnson came in at the end of last season). Such pros with the required experience are more likely to be British than some of these misfits we are signing from abroad.

    That's not xenophobia, it's just sheer commonsense.
    The game was run by a 23-year old Jamaican. Go figure.
  • Are Harriot, Lennon and Piggot really worse than the crap
    we are selecting now?
  • Leuth said:

    Leuth said:

    Addickted said:

    We need more Nobbys and less Nabys.

    Solano? Do with him yeah

    (love it when the casual xenophobia rises to the surface at these times eh)
    Don't be so stupid.

    What this team is crying out for is a nucleus of experienced pros who have played Championship football. A bit like Fulham had with O'Hara and Preston had with Gallagher last night. (Dare I even say we had when Roger Johnson came in at the end of last season). Such pros with the required experience are more likely to be British than some of these misfits we are signing from abroad.

    That's not xenophobia, it's just sheer commonsense.
    The game was run by a 23-year old Jamaican. Go figure.
    Could'nt agree more . Why was Johnson given the freedom of the park ?
  • Leuth said:

    Leuth said:

    Addickted said:

    We need more Nobbys and less Nabys.

    Solano? Do with him yeah

    (love it when the casual xenophobia rises to the surface at these times eh)
    Don't be so stupid.

    What this team is crying out for is a nucleus of experienced pros who have played Championship football. A bit like Fulham had with O'Hara and Preston had with Gallagher last night. (Dare I even say we had when Roger Johnson came in at the end of last season). Such pros with the required experience are more likely to be British than some of these misfits we are signing from abroad.

    That's not xenophobia, it's just sheer commonsense.
    The game was run by a 23-year old Jamaican. Go figure.
    Could'nt agree more . Why was Johnson given the freedom of the park ?
    Because our 2 central midfielders were massively disorganised and played poorly. We need to go 4-5-1 for a while to stop the rot.

  • Leuth said:

    Leuth said:

    Addickted said:

    We need more Nobbys and less Nabys.

    Solano? Do with him yeah

    (love it when the casual xenophobia rises to the surface at these times eh)
    Don't be so stupid.

    What this team is crying out for is a nucleus of experienced pros who have played Championship football. A bit like Fulham had with O'Hara and Preston had with Gallagher last night. (Dare I even say we had when Roger Johnson came in at the end of last season). Such pros with the required experience are more likely to be British than some of these misfits we are signing from abroad.

    That's not xenophobia, it's just sheer commonsense.
    The game was run by a 23-year old Jamaican. Go figure.
    Figure what?

    Yes, the Jamaican guy was good, Scored a cracking goal. But he had a team around him that had an experienced spine of British pros in it.

    If we can find a Jamaican as good as that bloke was last night, sign him. But don't think that putting 11 foreigners into this team in current circumstances is the answer to our problems.
    Or foreign coach, after foreign coach with no British experience to support him.
  • just another random thought.....but it can't just have been us who knew exactly where the free kick was going in the second minute....they had 2 men in the wall and Solly just stood next to them and let them part so that the fella could pass the ball in.

    I'm assuming the wall is down to the keeper, so whilst he takes some responsibility, it's also up to the players in the wall to bully the oppo and not give them such an easy ride, we should've had a man behind them both - it was blatantly obvious what was about to happen

    simple sunday morning stuff that

    Exactly the same as the Huddersfield FK we conceded from (except they only had one player in the wall to make a hole). It's almost as if the opposition have been watching us to find any weakness. Why haven't WE learnt from that?

    1. Midfield will sit too deep and mix with back line.
    2. Run straight at aforementioned gaggle of players and draw free kick
    3. Put player(s) in wall
    4. Shoot through gap in wall

    Can I have my coaching badge now?
  • Our very own British-born, British-raised, by-now quite experienced (despite his youth) central midfielder looked completely lost out there and I know people are trying to make excuses for him (all the bad players he has to play with!) but to my eyes he was as bad as any of them and could not do his job properly. This might sound like heresy but I don't think we will ever be a particularly good team at this level if Cousins is the standard - I have thought this for a while. At least Ba can tackle. Neither of them can pass, or cover intelligently. Perhaps it is time to give Jackson a run, but only if we can find Kashi to play alongside him.
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