I'm amazed that Watt gets such positive reaction on here - he did very little that was good last night, often blamed others for his faults, and wandered around, out of position and looking fed up .
At least Watt had a few moments when he looked threatening, whereas many of the other players had NO moments of impact whatsoever on the opposition
The gap caused by the two PNE in the wall between KAG and Solly is even bigger that I thought. Could have driven a bus through it. With the number of free kicks we seem to be conceding, you would have thought we'd have got the hang of setting up a wall with oppo players in it by now
Exactly. It was so obvious that there was a big gap that I commented on it to my son. Yet the players couldn't see it!
The gap caused by the two PNE in the wall between KAG and Solly is even bigger that I thought. Could have driven a bus through it. With the number of free kicks we seem to be conceding, you would have thought we'd have got the hang of setting up a wall with oppo players in it by now
There needs to be a gap so that Pope can still see the ball
I have waited before posting because last night was the first time I have left a game with 15 minutes to go it was that bad. I watched a team with no shape, no energy, no confidence and no commitment taken apart by what at best be described as a very average Championship side. I am struggling to find anything good to say about any of the team who all looked shell shocked and demotivated.
We had a set up with no ball playing midfield hence no connection between midfield and the forwards leaving Tony Watt to plough a lonely furrow up front. It’s not use criticising him for being greedy when he has no support or anyone to pass to at least he tried to put a shift in but gave up and frankly I don’t blame him. Cleary Ba is not up to the job, although I thoroughly disapprove of booing him off that is guaranteed to decrease his motivation levels even more. Both Fox and Solly were off the pace the latter looking like a shadow of his former self and as for Sarr, well he may be a prospect but right now he’s a liability. As for the rest (Cousins apart) they are not even worth a mention.
This looks like a proper slide with no end in sight, having watched Football for 54 years I can recognise a team that has lost belief in their manager when I see it and it is clear that, for now at least, Luzon has lost this lot, the rabbit in the headlight stare was back, he had better players on the bench and didn’t use them at the start, he then brought on the lad from Everton who has a nice line in running away from the opposition’s goal but little else. Big Mak made a difference but was on his own with nobody to lay off to, mainly because Watt was either knackered or had lost interest. JJ is a brilliant guy and no criticism but without support he is no longer able to change games on his own.
However it is that point that is so important. This team has no leaders on the pitch, sorry Solly is no motivating captain, no solid spine of British players who understand the demands of one of the toughest leagues anywhere look at our team that gained promotion from League one, mostly British with the odd foreigner like Kermogant who had played in our leagues and understood the way we play.
I hear a lot of talk about “Being in budget” from Ms Meire but what does that mean exactly? Does it mean that Duchatelet is running Charlton like his electronics business? Let’s consider that for a minute. To make a business grow in a competitive market you either have goods/services that offer one of two things. The first is that they are a vast improvement to what is around at the moment (current playing squad improved with better players) and so add a lot of value to your business and the market (better Football, higher league position). Does anyone on this site think that Ba is better than Buyens or Sarr better than Gomez? Alternatively you operate much cheaper and able to supply the market at lower costs (More players paid less strength in numbers) and improve your business that way. Is that what we have done? No we have bought in worse players and have less of them.
Problem is Roly Footballers are not semi-conductors for TV sets they are human beings that have foibles, get injuries and have their own opinions hence you have to get a set of players that are both motivated, work as a team and have the necessary qualities to compete at the level they are operating and you need to enough back up if they are not able to play and not 17 years olds who can’t compete physically. We are the opposite we are putting a Ford Focus engine in an F1 car and expecting it to compete and then are surprised that it’s breaking down.
There is also near contempt for the fans with no clear statement on players availability whether that be injury or another falling out with hyper-Guy. The sad thing is as a rich man’s vanity project it is hard to see how this can change but what he is currently presiding over is a failing business, the value of which falls every time we drop closer to that relegation spot and that is the real concern.
In an ideal world he would bugger off back to Belgium taking The Flanders Meire with him and sell to a party that would install a Football man at the helm, by the way did you all know Steve Coppell is helping Neil Harris out at Millwall on a temporary basis?, get a British manager and the first priority is to get a spine of a team with British players who know how to play together. Will this happen? Eventually I guess but by then it will probably be too late to stop the rot.
Sorry for this long rant but I find the situation depressing and upsetting right now I have decided not to bother Saturday but of course that can ch
I'm amazed that Watt gets such positive reaction on here - he did very little that was good last night, often blamed others for his faults, and wandered around, out of position and looking fed up .
Well to me he looked the only real footballer in our team last night.
I distinctly remember a game in the season we got relegated from the perm. We drew 0-0 at home to Watford who were awful that season. We showed no fight or quality. I remember thinking that it spelt the end. Last night was 100 times worse.
Everything I wanted to write about last night's game has already appeared on this thread. Just the total disbelief at how bad we were and the feeling of total boredom I had whilst watching us play,no emotion at all really. Sad times.
Just gone on Twitter for the first time since last night. Seems the communication dpt are doing all they can to 'emphasise' the injury crisis. It's good on the one hand because, yes I am keen to see where some of these players are in terms of fitness, but it also smacks of excuses as well and hiding behind it a bit too much. Even the official report led with 'Guy Luzon's injury hit squad'.
The reference to the lack of wide players was very much the main thing I picked up. Yes we are in the shit at the moment with bodies, yet it's not as if we've been winning with JBG and whoever (Bergdich etc) out on the wings. Bit too weak if you ask me.
The club needs a total overhaul IMO, from the board to the playing/coaching staff. its hard to back a club who dont seem to give a shit about anyone but themselves.
Well, the coaching and playing staff are being pretty much overhauled every season or so.
As for the board.......
An overhaul in a more positive way then with a board who understand that, while its a business for them & I get that, it's a passion for a lot of people who pay hard earned money to watch there team and they shouldn't be subjected to that nights like last night. We won't win every game but at least go down swinging!
I have just watched the "highlights" on Sky video. I have never seen such one sided football video concerning Charlton, in all my life. Watching this and not at the game, made me realise how little we offered in attack, according to the video, NOTHING
I'm not clever enough to work out how to get a pic in to the message, but have a butch at the wall in the second picture on that article. Flat footed and ducking out the way of the ball. Completely pathetic.
People talk about lack of bottle and fight to get out of this mess, in the past we have been just as dogshit a team as this but we've had battlers who will get stuck in (namely, the SCP Champ era). Might seem an exaggeration, but that photo captures perfectly a moment of weakness to me, highlighting the lack of fight in this 'team'. You can't go getting out the way of a free kick, it's basic stuff
That really is shocking. Ducking instead of jumping.
pope gets a rollicking for organising a wall what's the point of having a wall when that pairs of tossers are in it, its actually shocking if you don't like it don't bother having a career playing football, and feel free not to wear the shirt again as we cant get any worse than last night surely!!! if we play like we did last night against boro its going to be a cricket score weve lost 3-0 to one of the lesser teams of the championship, and they really didn't have to play that hard for it.
As bad as we were, I was impressed with PNE last night....aside from not knowing you have to be 10yards from a free kick. Their LB, Adam Reach was it? Paul Gallagher and the Rasta who got the third looked very good players.
You know its bad when we make other players from a bottom 6 team look like world beaters.
I've always liked Luzon but playing Bergdich on the right (let alone in the starting XI) was a big mistake. Reach probably looked good because he had so much space down that side.
As bad as we were, I was impressed with PNE last night....aside from not knowing you have to be 10yards from a free kick. Their LB, Adam Reach was it? Paul Gallagher and the Rasta who got the third looked very good players.
You know its bad when we make other players from a bottom 6 team look like world beaters.
I've always liked Luzon but playing Bergdich on the right (let alone in the starting XI) was a big mistake. Reach probably looked good because he had so much space down that side.
It gives me no pleasure to say that at half time I was telling anyone who would listen that the guy with the dreadlocks was running the game. He obviously heard me and banged in the third to confirm that.
A very sorry evening for the club, certainly one of the worst performances I've witnessed. Things have got to improve soon or we are going down. Feel sorry for the manager but he is paid to manage what we have. It seems to me that we buy foreign potential when other teams deliver with home grown grit and passion - lessons learned?
I'm amazed that Watt gets such positive reaction on here - he did very little that was good last night, often blamed others for his faults, and wandered around, out of position and looking fed up .
leave off he was the only one that had a clue and when he looked up the options were a kid being played alongside him well too early, a young kid on left wing who looked like he had never played that position and a left back playing right wing. Topped with two midfielders who were being drag from pillar to post he was the one bright spot in a dreadful night
Blimey, I'd long gone by then and didn't realise it was that hostile at the end.
At least the players had the sense to look look pretty dejected. Maybe they really were.
I actually thought it was good of JJ (I assume it was JJ) who kept the players back in the centre circle with the idea of making sure they felt the full wrath of the (remaining) fans when they left the pitch. It looked that way to me anyway.
About the only player I did feel sorry for last night was THD. His first league start (?) and tried his best and looked ok(ish). He's been thrown in by GL and it may have damaged his confidence (I hope not).
Not there last night. Seen 4 or 5 games this season. This squad is significantly better quality than we have had for a number years (although I still have massive reservations about S Mak). What is happening on the pitch at the moment has nothing to do with Roly or Katrien or the fact we are owned by Belgiums. We need a new coach/manager asap. Preferably British with a 20 - 30 years experience of playing and coaching at this level and available to start immediately. Surely Peacock can discreetly confirm if he is interested and he could be in place before the start of November.
Edit. Just reread my post. I am talking about Curbs not Peacock as next manager.
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We had a set up with no ball playing midfield hence no connection between midfield and the forwards leaving Tony Watt to plough a lonely furrow up front. It’s not use criticising him for being greedy when he has no support or anyone to pass to at least he tried to put a shift in but gave up and frankly I don’t blame him. Cleary Ba is not up to the job, although I thoroughly disapprove of booing him off that is guaranteed to decrease his motivation levels even more. Both Fox and Solly were off the pace the latter looking like a shadow of his former self and as for Sarr, well he may be a prospect but right now he’s a liability. As for the rest (Cousins apart) they are not even worth a mention.
This looks like a proper slide with no end in sight, having watched Football for 54 years I can recognise a team that has lost belief in their manager when I see it and it is clear that, for now at least, Luzon has lost this lot, the rabbit in the headlight stare was back, he had better players on the bench and didn’t use them at the start, he then brought on the lad from Everton who has a nice line in running away from the opposition’s goal but little else. Big Mak made a difference but was on his own with nobody to lay off to, mainly because Watt was either knackered or had lost interest. JJ is a brilliant guy and no criticism but without support he is no longer able to change games on his own.
However it is that point that is so important. This team has no leaders on the pitch, sorry Solly is no motivating captain, no solid spine of British players who understand the demands of one of the toughest leagues anywhere look at our team that gained promotion from League one, mostly British with the odd foreigner like Kermogant who had played in our leagues and understood the way we play.
I hear a lot of talk about “Being in budget” from Ms Meire but what does that mean exactly? Does it mean that Duchatelet is running Charlton like his electronics business? Let’s consider that for a minute. To make a business grow in a competitive market you either have goods/services that offer one of two things. The first is that they are a vast improvement to what is around at the moment (current playing squad improved with better players) and so add a lot of value to your business and the market (better Football, higher league position). Does anyone on this site think that Ba is better than Buyens or Sarr better than Gomez? Alternatively you operate much cheaper and able to supply the market at lower costs (More players paid less strength in numbers) and improve your business that way. Is that what we have done? No we have bought in worse players and have less of them.
Problem is Roly Footballers are not semi-conductors for TV sets they are human beings that have foibles, get injuries and have their own opinions hence you have to get a set of players that are both motivated, work as a team and have the necessary qualities to compete at the level they are operating and you need to enough back up if they are not able to play and not 17 years olds who can’t compete physically. We are the opposite we are putting a Ford Focus engine in an F1 car and expecting it to compete and then are surprised that it’s breaking down.
There is also near contempt for the fans with no clear statement on players availability whether that be injury or another falling out with hyper-Guy. The sad thing is as a rich man’s vanity project it is hard to see how this can change but what he is currently presiding over is a failing business, the value of which falls every time we drop closer to that relegation spot and that is the real concern.
In an ideal world he would bugger off back to Belgium taking The Flanders Meire with him and sell to a party that would install a Football man at the helm, by the way did you all know Steve Coppell is helping Neil Harris out at Millwall on a temporary basis?, get a British manager and the first priority is to get a spine of a team with British players who know how to play together. Will this happen? Eventually I guess but by then it will probably be too late to stop the rot.
Sorry for this long rant but I find the situation depressing and upsetting right now I have decided not to bother Saturday but of course that can ch
Started to think Boro could be 5/6/7-0 unless we have a serious turn in form.
The reference to the lack of wide players was very much the main thing I picked up. Yes we are in the shit at the moment with bodies, yet it's not as if we've been winning with JBG and whoever (Bergdich etc) out on the wings. Bit too weak if you ask me.
We won't win every game but at least go down swinging!
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You know its bad when we make other players from a bottom 6 team look like world beaters.
I've always liked Luzon but playing Bergdich on the right (let alone in the starting XI) was a big mistake. Reach probably looked good because he had so much space down that side.
At least the players had the sense to look look pretty dejected. Maybe they really were.
About the only player I did feel sorry for last night was THD. His first league start (?) and tried his best and looked ok(ish). He's been thrown in by GL and it may have damaged his confidence (I hope not).
Edit. Just reread my post. I am talking about Curbs not Peacock as next manager.