The vast majority of posts on here are negative and depressing which is depressing in itself. I am the complete opposite . I am proudly one of the few positive people on here who welcome Guy and want him to succeed and all this nonsense about how he has been appointed means nothing as these things happen all the time. Don't you think Powell was ever sounded out before the interview process. Don't you think he was a nailed on cheap choice for Slater et al and who was known within the club? They knew him as a person . Didn't Parkinson get appointed from inside the club? was not this a done deal? Same with Bob peeters same with Guy Luzon. Same with most appointments. The charade of following procedure is just that with most clubs. They have the man they want already given the nod and then they play the procedural game. Now Luzon is no Ferguson, no Moyes and no mourinho but when did united go through a real procedure to get moyes? Look, Luzon is probably affordable, got lots of footballing experience is enthusiastic, got access to players from the network which are free (some are crap others are good) which is a little like taking a punt on a league one or two player and we have tried this (moussa); its a bit of a lottery either way unless you spend some serious dosh. But please enough of this tosh about british managers with experience; there are many out there who are also crap. Lets just see if the players respond to this bloke and start playing like they did at the start of this season.
All very well, but the main reason it's Luzon is likely to be that he will play the players Roland wants in the team, based on the advice of his analysts. How many are happy to support that?
Richard Murray gets his money if the team is promoted, so not sure why that would mean he had to stay on the board. Come off it, Richard. You're better than this.
Top post bromley john. Its nearly always the case when a manager is appointed that someone is at least penciled in. My local club Norwich city announced at the end of last season they would scour Europe for a suitable manager and then appointed Neil Adams from within (he didn't last long). I can't think of many available managers that would have met with universal approval by the posters on here. Get real chaps.
I'm afraid I didn't get much sense of gravitas from Mr Luzon on that showing. He looks very young - like a shy schoolboy. Not impressed but let's see what happens at Watford.
Fuck me, you aint giving him long are you?!
I meant to complete a first impression. There's usually something in a new manager's first match which gives a clue or two about the direction he is taking the team.
Like most on here, I reckon it takes ten games to get to really know his worth.
The vast majority of posts on here are negative and depressing which is depressing in itself. I am the complete opposite . I am proudly one of the few positive people on here who welcome Guy and want him to succeed and all this nonsense about how he has been appointed means nothing as these things happen all the time. Don't you think Powell was ever sounded out before the interview process. Don't you think he was a nailed on cheap choice for Slater et al and who was known within the club? They knew him as a person . Didn't Parkinson get appointed from inside the club? was not this a done deal? Same with Bob peeters same with Guy Luzon. Same with most appointments. The charade of following procedure is just that with most clubs. They have the man they want already given the nod and then they play the procedural game. Now Luzon is no Ferguson, no Moyes and no mourinho but when did united go through a real procedure to get moyes? Look, Luzon is probably affordable, got lots of footballing experience is enthusiastic, got access to players from the network which are free (some are crap others are good) which is a little like taking a punt on a league one or two player and we have tried this (moussa); its a bit of a lottery either way unless you spend some serious dosh. But please enough of this tosh about british managers with experience; there are many out there who are also crap. Lets just see if the players respond to this bloke and start playing like they did at the start of this season.
The only analysts who give advice to Roland are the managers he appoints. I really cant imagine he has some office where football analysts sit intently focused on some statistical book of 'footballing form' and advises accordingly. No the only people he looks to for advice on what he should do are the managers he appoints. He may not listen of course but then again depending on the manager (Peeters got vetokele and watt ) Luzon may get who he wants if money is available. Look I just want to turn up to Watford on Saturday without all this turgid discouraging talk as it is going nowhere. Its a bit like arguing to toss over a penalty when the penalty has been given. Move on .
I'm afraid I didn't get much sense of gravitas from Mr Luzon on that showing. He looks very young - like a shy schoolboy. Not impressed but let's see what happens at Watford.
Fuck me, you aint giving him long are you?!
I meant to complete a first impression. There's usually something in a new manager's first match which gives a clue or two about the direction he is taking the team.
Like most on here, I reckon it takes ten games to get to really know his worth.
Yeah I'm only joking fella! I liked Bob when I first saw him and he done reasonably well after ten games?!..................So who knows??
The only analysts who give advice to Roland are the managers he appoints. I really cant imagine he has some office where football analysts sit intently focused on some statistical book of 'footballing form' and advises accordingly. No the only people he looks to for advice on what he should do are the managers he appoints. He may not listen of course but then again depending on the manager (Peeters got vetokele and watt ) Luzon may get who he wants if money is available. Look I just want to turn up to Watford on Saturday without all this turgid discouraging talk as it is going nowhere. Its a bit like arguing to toss over a penalty when the penalty has been given. Move on .
No, it's much more sophisticated than that. I'll turn up and support the team as usual, but that doesn't mean I have to swallow a whole load of bullshit or think that there is any future in RD's methods. They are the reason we'll be back here having the same discussion sooner rather than later, no matter what effort you might make to move on.
What I do find interesting is people asking what Solly, JJ think, I strongly believe that player power lead to Peeters being sacked and don't be too surprised if there was a almighty barnie after Saturday's match, which was the tipping point.So they may well have got their wish and will probably be happy for anybody else to take up the reigns.
Yes, JJ and Solly would have known that if BP was given the push, that the replacement would likely be another 'network' head coach, so I doubt they are surprised. If things were bad in the camp, then they make take the attitude that anyone would be better than BP...
As I have said before on a few occasions I'm happy to give Luzon a go, not my first choice but there we go. I'm CAFC through and through and managers/head coaches come and go, however I'm not prepared to be lied to by the 'board'...RD/KM and it would appear sadly RM, have lied quite clearly. How can you decide to get rid of a manager after a Saturday afternoon game, announce it on Sunday evening then recieve 20 applications, carry out CV reviews and shifts, release a statement syaing we are going to make sure this time we get the right person for the 'long haul' carry out full and proper interviews (if only for 4 or 5 candidates) make sure you have the right person with the right credentials and then appoint that person within a few hours....total bullshit!!
Watch that ticker @Redmidland. We want you around when these shysters are long gone.
Watching the footage and reading the quotes, and trying to be fair, it still looks and sounds really amateur to me. How hard is it to organise a press conference between now and Watford that inspires a bit of confidence? That doesn't contain comments about Luzon's recruitment process that frankly sound a bit ludicrous? Luzon looked underprepared and I don't think our Chief Exec did herself any favours at all with her recent comments. Oh well. My general feeling is one of unease. With outbreaks of despair likely to be drifting in off the Thames. The next few games are going to be huge for lots of reasons.
Very depressing. GL had thought of nothing to say in response to very predictable questions and didn't seem to have the language to do so anyway. OK, he's not being hired for his public speaking skills but I found myself wondering how is he going to inspire confidence in the players.
And KM looked as if the penny had just dropped that she made a terrible mistake leaving the world of corporate law to work for a deluded dictator.
I actually thought he was crapping his pants during that session.
it was totally embarrassing, no wonder the senior players are up in arms over this (if reports are true & to be honest I would be shocked if they weren't true)
We're getting a good sense of what supporters are thinking just now, not unanimous but... I wonder too what current/future sponsors are thinking, what decent Championship/Premiership players who might come in on loan or permanent deals are thinking. 'Charlton? I don't think I will touch them.' RD is a businessman and it is very strange indeed he hasn't figured that out. Or am I wrong?
exactly this although I doubt that any Championship or Premier players were ever likely
A question for those who know more about the club than me; what debt did RD pay off/clear? In other words, how indebted to him are we? If he left tomorrow, would the club be in the same state it was in before he took over? Obviously that depends on who takes over but have we got a sizeable debt that RD's basically managing or did he clear it?
A question for those who know more about the club than me; what debt did RD pay off/clear? In other words, how indebted to him are we? If he left tomorrow, would the club be in the same state it was in before he took over? Obviously that depends on who takes over but have we got a sizeable debt that RD's basically managing or did he clear it?
Are you thinking of starting a take over? I'm in.
Lol - I'll chip in with a few quid. How much do we need?
Well what a complete farce. Anyway, I'll always support Charlton, so I just hope that Luzon is a roaring success. I'm not expecting it, but as I've said elsewhere, the most successful Charlton manager's have been the least fancied, so you never know. See you all at Watford.
The vast majority of posts on here are negative and depressing which is depressing in itself. I am the complete opposite . I am proudly one of the few positive people on here who welcome Guy and want him to succeed and all this nonsense about how he has been appointed means nothing as these things happen all the time. Don't you think Powell was ever sounded out before the interview process. Don't you think he was a nailed on cheap choice for Slater et al and who was known within the club? They knew him as a person . Didn't Parkinson get appointed from inside the club? was not this a done deal? Same with Bob peeters same with Guy Luzon. Same with most appointments. The charade of following procedure is just that with most clubs. They have the man they want already given the nod and then they play the procedural game. Now Luzon is no Ferguson, no Moyes and no mourinho but when did united go through a real procedure to get moyes? Look, Luzon is probably affordable, got lots of footballing experience is enthusiastic, got access to players from the network which are free (some are crap others are good) which is a little like taking a punt on a league one or two player and we have tried this (moussa); its a bit of a lottery either way unless you spend some serious dosh. But please enough of this tosh about british managers with experience; there are many out there who are also crap. Lets just see if the players respond to this bloke and start playing like they did at the start of this season.
Well said.
I reckon given a few games they will.
So much emotional and naive rubbish on this and similar lines. I couldn't agree more with Bromley John and John from Norfolk. If you want to stop a decline then the quicker the better and the appointment had to give as much time to get into stride and use the transfer window as possible. The so-called "lies" and "cheating" that some people are getting so upset about was simply the club going through the required motions and formalities. Luzon may not be the best, or even much good, but I would rather have someone fresh than one who has been on and off the absurd managerial roundabout, that usually provides the familiar replacement. Let's see and not prejudge.
First things first - @bromleyjohn and all others saying similar, it's ridiculous to suggest that the majority of us don't want success. We all want Luzon to be the next Mourhino (or Ferguson... hahaha, sad...) but that doesn't mean we can't articulate our distress at the way the last few days has been handled.
My family IS Charlton Athletic, like many of us on this forum it wasn't what I chose or based on any rational thought but me and my kids ARE Charlton, as are the majority of readers of this comment.
That being said - Luzon WAS NOT hired because he was the best choice for Charlton. If he wasn't already employed by Roland would he have even been considered for an interview? Not a chance. So the truthful statement here is obviously that he was the right choice for the network, but CAFC were nothing to do with it. Will he turn out to be the best choice for the club? Possibly... but let's be honest the odds are infinitesimally small that he is.
I will always be CAFC and support the boys. My great uncle Maurice will always have his ashes buried under the Covered End goal and the club will always be a massive part of my life, the Belgian's can't change that. It's who I am. Will me and my kids be there at the ground to cheer the team on though? For this season, undoubtedly, yes. In the future.... I just don't know. CAFC is in my blood but knowing that every penny of profit from my money goes to the Network, that sold Yann, sacked Powell, rejected a new contract for Riga, disrespected Morro, Wilson and the others, and now blatantly treated me like an idiot in this hiring process.... well. Maybe not.
Those that choose to think all is well, good on you. But don't criticise those of us that have had our hearts ripped out slowly over these last 12 months.
As I have said before on a few occasions I'm happy to give Luzon a go, not my first choice but there we go. I'm CAFC through and through and managers/head coaches come and go, however I'm not prepared to be lied to by the 'board'...RD/KM and it would appear sadly RM, have lied quite clearly. How can you decide to get rid of a manager after a Saturday afternoon game, announce it on Sunday evening then recieve 20 applications, carry out CV reviews and shifts, release a statement syaing we are going to make sure this time we get the right person for the 'long haul' carry out full and proper interviews (if only for 4 or 5 candidates) make sure you have the right person with the right credentials and then appoint that person within a few hours....total bullshit!!
I always read threads back to front if it's the first time I've opened them and we're a few pages in. This was the first post I read. Spot on.
One can only assume they've got some online recruitment tool to get the man for the job in that quick a time.
Anyone familiar with them will know they filter out applications that don't have certain words to save time.
I can only assume off the back of that those words that got Luzon through were
Network Standard Roland Thuram
If I'd have been a bit cleverer I could've sent my cv in, included some of these words and may have had a chance.
In all seriousness, to say we had 20 applications from Sunday night, to yesterday afternoon when Luzon was appointed is farcical.
They would've been better off saying 'we thought the team weren't performing to the best of their ability under Peeters, the form was poor, we needed to make a change now rather than wait a bit longer. Because we are in a network of clubs that allowed us to take advantage of getting Guy in quickly. Guy is a good coach having delivered at SL blah blah blah'
We all know this was a done deal. We all know we are in a network and RD does as he sees fit. There was never any point in pretending otherwise. I just don't get the lies. If people aren't happy with the network then they can, and by the looks of some reactions, will vote with their feet.
They (rightly or wrongly) made the decision to get rid of Peeters, no need to sugar coat it
First things first - @bromleyjohn and all others saying similar, it's ridiculous to suggest that the majority of us don't want success. We all want Luzon to be the next Mourhino (or Ferguson... hahaha, sad...) but that doesn't mean we can't articulate our distress at the way the last few days has been handled.
My family IS Charlton Athletic, like many of us on this forum it wasn't what I chose or based on any rational thought but me and my kids ARE Charlton, as are the majority of readers of this comment.
That being said - Luzon WAS NOT hired because he was the best choice for Charlton. If he wasn't already employed by Roland would he have even been considered for an interview? Not a chance. So the truthful statement here is obviously that he was the right choice for the network, but CAFC were nothing to do with it. Will he turn out to be the best choice for the club? Possibly... but let's be honest the odds are infinitesimally small that he is.
I will always be CAFC and support the boys. My great uncle Maurice will always have his ashes buried under the Covered End goal and the club will always be a massive part of my life, the Belgian's can't change that. It's who I am. Will me and my kids be there at the ground to cheer the team on though? For this season, undoubtedly, yes. In the future.... I just don't know. CAFC is in my blood but knowing that every penny of profit from my money goes to the Network, that sold Yann, sacked Powell, rejected a new contract for Riga, disrespected Morro, Wilson and the others, and now blatantly treated me like an idiot in this hiring process.... well. Maybe not.
Those that choose to think all is well, good on you. But don't criticise those of us that have had our hearts ripped out slowly over these last 12 months.
First time I have ever cut up reading something back that I've written myself.... so thanks for that Roland if nothing else.
As I have said before on a few occasions I'm happy to give Luzon a go, not my first choice but there we go. I'm CAFC through and through and managers/head coaches come and go, however I'm not prepared to be lied to by the 'board'...RD/KM and it would appear sadly RM, have lied quite clearly. How can you decide to get rid of a manager after a Saturday afternoon game, announce it on Sunday evening then recieve 20 applications, carry out CV reviews and shifts, release a statement syaing we are going to make sure this time we get the right person for the 'long haul' carry out full and proper interviews (if only for 4 or 5 candidates) make sure you have the right person with the right credentials and then appoint that person within a few hours....total bullshit!!
I always read threads back to front if it's the first time I've opened them and we're a few pages in. This was the first post I read. Spot on.
One can only assume they've got some online recruitment tool to get the man for the job in that quick a time.
Anyone familiar with them will know they filter out applications that don't have certain words to save time.
I can only assume off the back of that those words that got Luzon through were
Network Standard Roland Thuram
If I'd have been a bit cleverer I could've sent my cv in, included some of these words and may have had a chance.
In all seriousness, to say we had 20 applications from Sunday night, to yesterday afternoon when Luzon was appointed is farcical.
They would've been better off saying 'we thought the team weren't performing to the best of their ability under Peeters, the form was poor, we needed to make a change now rather than wait a bit longer. Because we are in a network of clubs that allowed us to take advantage of getting Guy in quickly. Guy is a good coach having delivered at SL blah blah blah'
We all know this was a done deal. We all know we are in a network and RD does as he sees fit. There was never any point in pretending otherwise. I just don't get the lies. If people aren't happy with the network then they can, and by the looks of some reactions, will vote with their feet.
They (rightly or wrongly) made the decision to get rid of Peeters, no need to sugar coat it
Ideally, you're right about how it should have been done, although very few clubs (or other organisations) would be brave enough to do so. They may well wish they had, but now it will, just as it always does, be decided on results.
The "feeder club" fear has been largely blown away and being in a network, which is in reality quite loose has advantages as well. Would we have got Watt as stand alone CAFC?
As I have said before on a few occasions I'm happy to give Luzon a go, not my first choice but there we go. I'm CAFC through and through and managers/head coaches come and go, however I'm not prepared to be lied to by the 'board'...RD/KM and it would appear sadly RM, have lied quite clearly. How can you decide to get rid of a manager after a Saturday afternoon game, announce it on Sunday evening then recieve 20 applications, carry out CV reviews and shifts, release a statement syaing we are going to make sure this time we get the right person for the 'long haul' carry out full and proper interviews (if only for 4 or 5 candidates) make sure you have the right person with the right credentials and then appoint that person within a few hours....total bullshit!!
I always read threads back to front if it's the first time I've opened them and we're a few pages in. This was the first post I read. Spot on.
One can only assume they've got some online recruitment tool to get the man for the job in that quick a time.
Anyone familiar with them will know they filter out applications that don't have certain words to save time.
I can only assume off the back of that those words that got Luzon through were
Network Standard Roland Thuram
If I'd have been a bit cleverer I could've sent my cv in, included some of these words and may have had a chance.
In all seriousness, to say we had 20 applications from Sunday night, to yesterday afternoon when Luzon was appointed is farcical.
They would've been better off saying 'we thought the team weren't performing to the best of their ability under Peeters, the form was poor, we needed to make a change now rather than wait a bit longer. Because we are in a network of clubs that allowed us to take advantage of getting Guy in quickly. Guy is a good coach having delivered at SL blah blah blah'
We all know this was a done deal. We all know we are in a network and RD does as he sees fit. There was never any point in pretending otherwise. I just don't get the lies. If people aren't happy with the network then they can, and by the looks of some reactions, will vote with their feet.
They (rightly or wrongly) made the decision to get rid of Peeters, no need to sugar coat it
Ideally, you're right about how it should have been done, although very few clubs (or other organisations) would be brave enough to do so. They may well wish they had, but now it will, just as it always does, be decided on results.
The "feeder club" fear has been largely blown away and being in a network, which is in reality quite loose has advantages as well. Would we have got Watt as stand alone CAFC?
No, we'd probably have signed a player better suited for the position we actually need.
Wouid we have signed Tucudean and played him even if we had, is a better question?
As I have said before on a few occasions I'm happy to give Luzon a go, not my first choice but there we go. I'm CAFC through and through and managers/head coaches come and go, however I'm not prepared to be lied to by the 'board'...RD/KM and it would appear sadly RM, have lied quite clearly. How can you decide to get rid of a manager after a Saturday afternoon game, announce it on Sunday evening then recieve 20 applications, carry out CV reviews and shifts, release a statement syaing we are going to make sure this time we get the right person for the 'long haul' carry out full and proper interviews (if only for 4 or 5 candidates) make sure you have the right person with the right credentials and then appoint that person within a few hours....total bullshit!!
I always read threads back to front if it's the first time I've opened them and we're a few pages in. This was the first post I read. Spot on.
One can only assume they've got some online recruitment tool to get the man for the job in that quick a time.
Anyone familiar with them will know they filter out applications that don't have certain words to save time.
I can only assume off the back of that those words that got Luzon through were
Network Standard Roland Thuram
If I'd have been a bit cleverer I could've sent my cv in, included some of these words and may have had a chance.
In all seriousness, to say we had 20 applications from Sunday night, to yesterday afternoon when Luzon was appointed is farcical.
They would've been better off saying 'we thought the team weren't performing to the best of their ability under Peeters, the form was poor, we needed to make a change now rather than wait a bit longer. Because we are in a network of clubs that allowed us to take advantage of getting Guy in quickly. Guy is a good coach having delivered at SL blah blah blah'
We all know this was a done deal. We all know we are in a network and RD does as he sees fit. There was never any point in pretending otherwise. I just don't get the lies. If people aren't happy with the network then they can, and by the looks of some reactions, will vote with their feet.
They (rightly or wrongly) made the decision to get rid of Peeters, no need to sugar coat it
Ideally, you're right about how it should have been done, although very few clubs (or other organisations) would be brave enough to do so. They may well wish they had, but now it will, just as it always does, be decided on results.
The "feeder club" fear has been largely blown away and being in a network, which is in reality quite loose has advantages as well. Would we have got Watt as stand alone CAFC?
You seem to be suggesting that we should feel lucky to have Watt. He has a patchy record at best and has currently played in one game (which we lost). He may well turn out to be a massive player for the club, or he could just flop like he has at his last couple of clubs. Let's not make him out to be anything but a striker that is completely untested at this level who may or may not be a decent player at some time in the future.
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Richard Murray gets his money if the team is promoted, so not sure why that would mean he had to stay on the board. Come off it, Richard. You're better than this.
Its nearly always the case when a manager is appointed that someone is at least penciled in.
My local club Norwich city announced at the end of last season they would scour Europe for a suitable manager and then appointed Neil Adams from within (he didn't last long). I can't think of many available managers that would have met with universal approval by the posters on here.
Get real chaps.
Like most on here, I reckon it takes ten games to get to really know his worth.
I reckon given a few games they will.
Support the man not the process.
Luzon looked underprepared and I don't think our Chief Exec did herself any favours at all with her recent comments.
Oh well. My general feeling is one of unease. With outbreaks of despair likely to be drifting in off the Thames.
The next few games are going to be huge for lots of reasons.
And KM looked as if the penny had just dropped that she made a terrible mistake leaving the world of corporate law to work for a deluded dictator.
Anyway, I'll always support Charlton, so I just hope that Luzon is a roaring success.
I'm not expecting it, but as I've said elsewhere, the most successful Charlton manager's have been the least fancied, so you never know.
See you all at Watford.
Let's see and not prejudge.
My family IS Charlton Athletic, like many of us on this forum it wasn't what I chose or based on any rational thought but me and my kids ARE Charlton, as are the majority of readers of this comment.
That being said - Luzon WAS NOT hired because he was the best choice for Charlton. If he wasn't already employed by Roland would he have even been considered for an interview? Not a chance. So the truthful statement here is obviously that he was the right choice for the network, but CAFC were nothing to do with it. Will he turn out to be the best choice for the club? Possibly... but let's be honest the odds are infinitesimally small that he is.
I will always be CAFC and support the boys. My great uncle Maurice will always have his ashes buried under the Covered End goal and the club will always be a massive part of my life, the Belgian's can't change that. It's who I am. Will me and my kids be there at the ground to cheer the team on though? For this season, undoubtedly, yes. In the future.... I just don't know. CAFC is in my blood but knowing that every penny of profit from my money goes to the Network, that sold Yann, sacked Powell, rejected a new contract for Riga, disrespected Morro, Wilson and the others, and now blatantly treated me like an idiot in this hiring process.... well. Maybe not.
Those that choose to think all is well, good on you. But don't criticise those of us that have had our hearts ripped out slowly over these last 12 months.
One can only assume they've got some online recruitment tool to get the man for the job in that quick a time.
Anyone familiar with them will know they filter out applications that don't have certain words to save time.
I can only assume off the back of that those words that got Luzon through were
Network
Standard
Roland
Thuram
If I'd have been a bit cleverer I could've sent my cv in, included some of these words and may have had a chance.
In all seriousness, to say we had 20 applications from Sunday night, to yesterday afternoon when Luzon was appointed is farcical.
They would've been better off saying 'we thought the team weren't performing to the best of their ability under Peeters, the form was poor, we needed to make a change now rather than wait a bit longer. Because we are in a network of clubs that allowed us to take advantage of getting Guy in quickly. Guy is a good coach having delivered at SL blah blah blah'
We all know this was a done deal. We all know we are in a network and RD does as he sees fit. There was never any point in pretending otherwise. I just don't get the lies. If people aren't happy with the network then they can, and by the looks of some reactions, will vote with their feet.
They (rightly or wrongly) made the decision to get rid of Peeters, no need to sugar coat it
The "feeder club" fear has been largely blown away and being in a network, which is in reality quite loose has advantages as well. Would we have got Watt as stand alone CAFC?
Wouid we have signed Tucudean and played him even if we had, is a better question?
However Mr RD. Dont lie to us ! You will lose what ever integrity you have. Besides..would you like being lied to ?