My view is that we should consider asking supporters to withhold their season ticket renewals for the time being until we get some clarity about what is going on with our club.
Personally I have no confidence in any of the people running it, including the leadership team as well as the board, and season tickets are the one lever we can pull without being accused of damaging the team. It's just an idea and I'd welcome people's input.
How about defining what you mean by clarity.
Fair question. I think clarity will emerge over the next week in terms of what happens on the pitch as well what comes out of the boardroom. In the meantime, I hope to be able to give you a more substantive response in 48 hours time, once a few of us have put their heads together. That will be of more use than my view alone, because as NYA rightly points out I don't speak for everyone and I don't pretend to do so.
My view is that we should consider asking supporters to withhold their season ticket renewals for the time being until we get some clarity about what is going on with our club.
Personally I have no confidence in any of the people running it, including the leadership team as well as the board, and season tickets are the one lever we can pull without being accused of damaging the team. It's just an idea and I'd welcome people's input.
How about defining what you mean by clarity.
Fair question. I think clarity will emerge over the next week in terms of what happens on the pitch as well what comes out of the boardroom. In the meantime, I hope to be able to give you a more substantive response in 48 hours time, once a few of us have put their heads together. That will be of more use than my view alone, because as NYA rightly points out I don't speak for everyone and I don't pretend to do so.
Addickted can tell you the answer. He's had his instructions.
Not sure I understand what you're trying to say Airman.
Are you suggesting that I'm a 'stooge' for the Club?
well I was hoping we could deal with this privately but can you please tell us how you know that Airman - or anyone else for that matter - has renewed his season ticket? And what you would your defence, and that of the person at CAFC who supplied you with the information - be, under the Data Protection Act?
These petty tribal vendettas are tedious at the best of times, but this is bang out of order.
Addickted can tell you the answer. He's had his instructions.
Not sure I understand what you're trying to say Airman.
Are you suggesting that I'm a 'stooge' for the Club?
well I was hoping we could deal with this privately but can you please tell us how you know that Airman - or anyone else for that matter - has renewed his season ticket? And what you would your defence, and that of the person at CAFC who supplied you with the information - be, under the Data Protection Act?
These petty tribal vendettas are tedious at the best of times, but this is bang out of order.
Ah - I see what's the issue now.
I am honoured that both you and Airman should be discussing my posts outside of this forum, but if you truly believe that either I'm being fed information from CAFC or that I have a 'petty tribal vendetta' then you are deluded.
Are you seriously suggesting that 'someone' at CAFC has told me that Mr A Brown of Thanet, Kent has renewed his Season Ticket in block G of the East Stand?
Are you also suggesting that as I was a vociferous poster who didn't agree with a ST boycott, or indeed was not prepared to 'wait and see' what the new ownership of the Club did, before we as supporters started making ridiculous demands on those owners?
PM me if you want to keep this quiet, but you and the G21 are not the only people concerned about the club and none of you speak for me with your demands - as you haven't even bothered consulting with me or other fans. Which at least the Trust have done.
I still haven't had an answer from the original G21 statement which spoke about fans 'across the generations', when none of the G21 were under the age of 40 - unless you include the Leeds fan present at the meeting.
Thanks for confirming that Airman has renewed his ST though - makes the boycott statement look more pathetic now.
The "issue" is in my previous post. Nothing more, nothing less. I hoped admin would deal with it, but they have families to look after. I am not sure what I would PM to you. I think you should be PM'ing Airman, it is his personal protection rights you appear to have infringed.
There are some boundaries that should not be crossed. This is only a football club, for heaven's sake.
Just to clear up an obvious misunderstanding you may have.
I can factually confirm that a total of eight Season Tickets have been purchased for next season.
Anyone else who may have or may not have renewed their ST is a guess based on what they have posted on this forum.
I have not, or do not intend to, infringe anyone else's 'personal protection rights'.
If you click on my name, you have simple access to either a PM or my personal E Mail address - just as anyone else on here can.
I disagree with either a ST boycott or an open letter demanding immediate discussion with the owner as to the future direction of the Club - without any consultation of the vast majority of club supporters. I've made that clear from the start.
I politely made a request about the G21 statement. I have still had no response to two of the reasonable questions I asked - over a month ago, despite the poster producing two publications since the statement.
Just to clear up an obvious misunderstanding you may have.
I can factually confirm that a total of eight Season Tickets have been purchased for next season.
Anyone else who may have or may not have renewed their ST is a guess based on what they have posted on this forum.
I have not, or do not intend to, infringe anyone else's 'personal protection rights'.
If you click on my name, you have simple access to either a PM or my personal E Mail address - just as anyone else on here can.
I disagree with either a ST boycott or an open letter demanding immediate discussion with the owner as to the future direction of the Club - without any consultation of the vast majority of club supporters. I've made that clear from the start.
I politely made a request about the G21 statement. I have still had no response to two of the reasonable questions I asked - over a month ago, despite the poster producing two publications since the statement.
It is not me who is crossing boundaries.
Well said addicted, the self importance and arrogance of some people on here is mind boggling. G21' don't speak for me and lots of other Charlton Supporters that I know who are perfectly happy, at the moment, with the new owner. If something happens that I am not happy with I will voice my displeasure in any way I choose. Telling Charlton supporters they should not renew their Season Tickets is a step too far. Why not wait until you have spoken to Katrien and then report back on here what has been discussed. I still feel that this should have been under the auspicious of the Supporters Trust, not some breakaway group of people trying to relive their glory days.
Now that we are aware of our Championship status, the arrival of a new pitch with underfloor heating, the development of the training ground etc, I hope that we can all throw away those negative hats and get behind the Club please.
The season is virtually over, Championship status has been retained, and things are evolving, hopefully in the right direction.
I'm not sure its too healthy or in anyone's best interests to keep digging up / revisiting previous issues and we certainly don't want a summer dominated by petty or private squabbles.
Would be very grateful if people would attempt to 'draw a line' for now, or if not take whatever issues they have to PMs or offline.
The season is virtually over, Championship status has been retained, and things are evolving, hopefully in the right direction.
I'm not sure its too healthy or in anyone's best interests to keep digging up / revisiting previous issues and we certainly don't want a summer dominated by petty or private squabbles.
Would be very grateful if people would attempt to 'draw a line' for now, or if not take whatever issues they have to PMs or offline.
Just looking back over this thread and I'm sure some of the earlier posters would probably wish to eat their words. Some of the comments are laughable or misguided at best. Buy on the rumour, sell on the fact!
The season is virtually over, Championship status has been retained, and things are evolving, hopefully in the right direction.
I'm not sure its too healthy or in anyone's best interests to keep digging up / revisiting previous issues and we certainly don't want a summer dominated by petty or private squabbles.
Would be very grateful if people would attempt to 'draw a line' for now, or if not take whatever issues they have to PMs or offline.
On Sunday evening, Addickted posted on the Kermorgant thread that I had renewed my season ticket. Unlike the majority of posters, Addickted's identity is known to me, as is his involvement with staff at The Valley. It is, in my opinion, a strange assertion for him to make given he hasn't spoken to me about it and I haven't disclosed it here or elsewhere. I reasonably conclude 1) that he had been told this by a member of staff and 2) that someone wanted that to appear on here.
I chose not to react to it at the time and see what developed. What happened is that stooge number one, Seriously Red, revived this thread, completely gratuitously.
I don't really care about any of that, but I make the point that if anyone believes club staff and others don't plant things on here via such parties they are very naive. In fact the disclosure of such personal information held by the club is illegal, which would be a matter for the club's own internal procedures in the first instance. It's hardly likely to interest the wider authorities.
I would simply point out that buying two adult season tickets is not obviously a subversive act, neither have I ever said that I would not buy a season ticket. I simply put forward an idea about timing, which in the event was overtaken by a wider discussion, which continues.
There will be many different views about the current situation and I respect those that are different from mine, substantially set out here. I don't have any respect for people who cannot grasp that there is a body of opinion that is sceptical about the new owner and doesn't change its mind every time a goal goes in.
If you go back to February, many of those people were telling us that Polish Pete and Reza were more than adequate replacements for Yann Kermorgant, and prior to that that there were no issues at the club other than mine, and that Peter Varney and Steve Kavanagh had left perfectly amicably. In both cases the facts were otherwise.
Let's see what happens. We should all share the relief and satisfaction that the team has stayed up, rather than use it as a vehicle to attack each other, not least because we simply do not know whether we will be in the same position next season. The idea that any Charlton supporter would relish that is childish nonsense and the people who wish to claim otherwise do not deserve any response.
The season is virtually over, Championship status has been retained, and things are evolving, hopefully in the right direction.
I'm not sure its too healthy or in anyone's best interests to keep digging up / revisiting previous issues and we certainly don't want a summer dominated by petty or private squabbles.
Would be very grateful if people would attempt to 'draw a line' for now, or if not take whatever issues they have to PMs or offline.
thank you.
Wow, Im amazed you wrote this..... Questions were asked and good ones at that, and they chose to duck them.....You chose to duck a question too when I asked if you agreed that organising a season ticket boycott wasnt potentially damaging to the club. And now you want a line drawn under the discussion? Very strange standpoint, Im sure that Im not the only one who thinks it either. Not much point in having a forum if its all happening via Pm, is it... I thought that was what they invented email for :-)
For what its worth I read this little lot immediately after the thread about Coop's poor brother and Rylo's heroic efforts and just wonder! Perspective guys!!!!!!
All I'd like to add to this discussion is that I know that information gets leaked from the club . And ends up on here via certain posters . And airman being one of them (not so much anymore ) but I have been amazed at what information gets out even when NDA agreements have been signed .
Addickted can tell you the answer. He's had his instructions.
Not sure I understand what you're trying to say Airman.
Are you suggesting that I'm a 'stooge' for the Club?
well I was hoping we could deal with this privately but can you please tell us how you know that Airman - or anyone else for that matter - has renewed his season ticket? And what you would your defence, and that of the person at CAFC who supplied you with the information - be, under the Data Protection Act?
These petty tribal vendettas are tedious at the best of times, but this is bang out of order.
I still haven't had an answer from the original G21 statement which spoke about fans 'across the generations', when none of the G21 were under the age of 40 - unless you include the Leeds fan present at the meeting.
How do you think you know this? You are wrong anyway because one of those there was at school with my son and is about the same age, my son is 20.
If you really think this will make a blind bit of difference to RD, you are naive at best I am afraid. If his plan is to fob off prospects/cast-offs from Liege to Charlton to keep them in circulation til he needs them, will low attendances bother him? The fuck they will.
It will make me feel better, Exeter are only 30 mins from me, il be watching them next season
Er excuse me! what's wrong with Argyle? Exeter dirty northern b*stards! ;o)
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As an aside have the G21 had a follow up meeting?
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Are you suggesting that I'm a 'stooge' for the Club?
These petty tribal vendettas are tedious at the best of times, but this is bang out of order.
I am honoured that both you and Airman should be discussing my posts outside of this forum, but if you truly believe that either I'm being fed information from CAFC or that I have a 'petty tribal vendetta' then you are deluded.
Are you seriously suggesting that 'someone' at CAFC has told me that Mr A Brown of Thanet, Kent has renewed his Season Ticket in block G of the East Stand?
Are you also suggesting that as I was a vociferous poster who didn't agree with a ST boycott, or indeed was not prepared to 'wait and see' what the new ownership of the Club did, before we as supporters started making ridiculous demands on those owners?
PM me if you want to keep this quiet, but you and the G21 are not the only people concerned about the club and none of you speak for me with your demands - as you haven't even bothered consulting with me or other fans. Which at least the Trust have done.
I still haven't had an answer from the original G21 statement which spoke about fans 'across the generations', when none of the G21 were under the age of 40 - unless you include the Leeds fan present at the meeting.
Thanks for confirming that Airman has renewed his ST though - makes the boycott statement look more pathetic now.
There are some boundaries that should not be crossed. This is only a football club, for heaven's sake.
I can factually confirm that a total of eight Season Tickets have been purchased for next season.
Anyone else who may have or may not have renewed their ST is a guess based on what they have posted on this forum.
I have not, or do not intend to, infringe anyone else's 'personal protection rights'.
If you click on my name, you have simple access to either a PM or my personal E Mail address - just as anyone else on here can.
I disagree with either a ST boycott or an open letter demanding immediate discussion with the owner as to the future direction of the Club - without any consultation of the vast majority of club supporters. I've made that clear from the start.
I politely made a request about the G21 statement. I have still had no response to two of the reasonable questions I asked - over a month ago, despite the poster producing two publications since the statement.
It is not me who is crossing boundaries.
Why not wait until you have spoken to Katrien and then report back on here what has been discussed.
I still feel that this should have been under the auspicious of the Supporters Trust, not some breakaway group of people trying to relive their glory days.
I'm not sure its too healthy or in anyone's best interests to keep digging up / revisiting previous issues and we certainly don't want a summer dominated by petty or private squabbles.
Would be very grateful if people would attempt to 'draw a line' for now, or if not take whatever issues they have to PMs or offline.
thank you.
What else is there to do?
I chose not to react to it at the time and see what developed. What happened is that stooge number one, Seriously Red, revived this thread, completely gratuitously.
I don't really care about any of that, but I make the point that if anyone believes club staff and others don't plant things on here via such parties they are very naive. In fact the disclosure of such personal information held by the club is illegal, which would be a matter for the club's own internal procedures in the first instance. It's hardly likely to interest the wider authorities.
I would simply point out that buying two adult season tickets is not obviously a subversive act, neither have I ever said that I would not buy a season ticket. I simply put forward an idea about timing, which in the event was overtaken by a wider discussion, which continues.
There will be many different views about the current situation and I respect those that are different from mine, substantially set out here. I don't have any respect for people who cannot grasp that there is a body of opinion that is sceptical about the new owner and doesn't change its mind every time a goal goes in.
If you go back to February, many of those people were telling us that Polish Pete and Reza were more than adequate replacements for Yann Kermorgant, and prior to that that there were no issues at the club other than mine, and that Peter Varney and Steve Kavanagh had left perfectly amicably. In both cases the facts were otherwise.
Let's see what happens. We should all share the relief and satisfaction that the team has stayed up, rather than use it as a vehicle to attack each other, not least because we simply do not know whether we will be in the same position next season. The idea that any Charlton supporter would relish that is childish nonsense and the people who wish to claim otherwise do not deserve any response.
Questions were asked and good ones at that, and they chose to duck them.....You chose to duck a question too when I asked if you agreed that organising a season ticket boycott wasnt potentially damaging to the club.
And now you want a line drawn under the discussion? Very strange standpoint, Im sure that Im not the only one who thinks it either. Not much point in having a forum if its all happening via Pm, is it... I thought that was what they invented email for :-)
I think that the drip feeding from inside is getting more balanced now as atleast we are getting two views
Instead of one
I hope the forum is used to get things out not just pm it makes it an interesting place
Some people who are living in the past and trying to look/feel important.
Busy busy people
Exeter dirty northern b*stards! ;o)