Ive heard it all now. Dont buy STs, cos the bloke who has bought the club with millions of his own money doesnt match up to your perception of a football club owner. Lets all not go to any games ever again, watch RD close the club because of lack of interest and we can all start again as Charlton Reds (or something, Like Wimbledon) and then we can all disagree with the owners if we dont like what they are doing with their money. Great.
Where was the season ticket boycott when Jiminez and Slater were in charge or is it because Powell gone .The club was in a worst state then then it is now.Just asking
I think TJ and Slater got into a mess because Cash pulled the rug from beneath them. They did try to back Powell as much as they could. I was delighted when they left but they didn't sell Yann and Stephen's, or Solly when they could have. Not defending them, but I think what has happened since RD has taken over has been strange.
When I read his statement, where he quotes us losing to Sheff Utd and being bottom of the league, like it was a reason to get rid of Powell - well I was thinking, why sell our 2 best players and try to force Chrissy to play a keeper who can't catch a ball! Why not replace the quality your sold. Th ereason we are bottom of th eleague and lost to United falls more firmly at RDs door than Chrissy's.
Agree with Airman 100%. My season ticket is on hold. I would love to know what Alex Dyer and Paul Hart think of these loanees that we have got from Standard Leige. Do they think that they are Championship standard and honestly good enough to be in the team. Be very interesting if Ben Hamer plays tomorrow!
Sadly i suspect a lot of opposing comment to Airman is based mainly on pre-conceived dislike of the individual rather than on the issues at hand.
Sorry Dan, but that comment is just plain wrong. Have a word with yourself.
If you think a fan - a proper fan - would base their support for the club or otherwise purely on a dislike for Airman Brown then you are so wide of the mark I find it hard to fathom.
You seem to be insinuating that anyone who might disagree is "sniping". Really?
It might not surprise you to know that I DO disagree with the notion of not renewing season tickets en masse - but not because Airman has suggested it.
Why then? Well, if the likes of me had taken that course of action when we left the Valley back in the day then this whole debate would be academic - there wouldn't be a club for any of us to support.
The club is bigger than any owner, manager or individual supporter - or website. The club WILL survive and continue, regardless of whether people like it or want to be a part of it. We all have a choice. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. If you don't like it then you are free to do whatever you think is right, as will the rest of us.
But either way I don't need people telling me I feel the way I do because of some petty personal issue. Disgraceful.
For everyone that feels the same way we need to all pull together to hit the owner where it hurts....
He is worth £400m so where exactly is that spot that will hurt him?
Dont think because he has pots of money he wont notice a very low take up on season tickets,the man has made an investment and he will have to take notice of this. Dont think this is just about cp getting sacked,this is about where the club is heaing and many wont want to be part of this feeder club bollox.Charlton will always have to sell some players but we wont to be our own club run by someone who has our best interests at heart. Without this where do we go.
I had a conversation with a friend today, and I hope he does not mind me alluding to the analogy he made. Loads of people say we support Charlton Athletic first and foremost, and it does not matter who is the manager and who is running things. Would we say that if, for example, Kim Ill Jong the 3rd bought us, and filled all positions with Korean Army death squads? Of course not, or err, would we? No of course we bloody wouldn't. We are a zillion miles from that stupid example, but the point I am making is that for each of us there is a line to be drawn somewhere, and many have reached that line today. kings hill addick make the point that to all intents and purposes Roland has clearly declared that we are (to all intents and purposes) the feeder club for Standard Liege, or at the least subservient to his favourite child. Roland well knows he is exploiting the loyalty that Charlton fans have, not going would be a massive wrench, at least it would be for me. So Roland has me by the S&C's. However, as long as I stay well within the law, it would also be my right to attend matches and heap as much criticism, vitriol, and vituperation on Jose Riga, and those future Standard Liege stars as I like. I may not be alone either. I am not saying I will attend and be nasty, but it is going to take a fair bit of healing and persuasion, and right now, as KHA has pointed out, we are officially the feeder club to Standard Liege. Our future is to be a copy of Crewe Alexandra and continually churn out decent players for other teams whilst getting nowhere ourselves.
All you people saying id rather go Exeter and arsenal ect I'm shocked and and feel sick your not real fans so we don't need you !
You think people dont get annoyed and say stuff in the heat of the moment ? Personally I went to bed having picked my dummy up after the weekend, I wake up to CP sacked after being offered a new deal last week. In my short 30 years as a Charlton fan ive been through amazing highs and some pretty bad lows (just like most of us), yes I will be there to see more of those highs and lows ... but im just having my day of acting like a petulant child, which I kinda feel im more than entitled to.
Aside from needing to get behind the team, does anyone think the Belgian will give a toss if a few hundred/thousand stay away? Suspect like all these asset-stripping chairman, he won't be seen again.
Roland has his work cut out if he wants to persuade me to renew. So far he hasn't done too well. His Head of Academy has said that the best Charlton players can go to Liege, and Liege players who aren't good enough can come to Charlton. He appears to be applying this to his managers now. He has also said that Charlton fans must expect to sell a player now and then, upon which he sold 3 of our best players in the middle of a relegation scrap, and replaced them with rejects. So he has to convince me that the hard-earned dosh which I will be putting into supporting his club will not go towards Liege's assault on the Champion's League. Under TJ and MS I always renewed ASAP.
I have no problem making the club sweat a bit on my season ticket renewal by leaving it until the last minute, but I know I will always go to Charlton no matter how rubbish they are (and I've watched a lot of rubbish down the years).
However, I will be cancelling my Valley Gold membership. I know Charlton have always been a selling club, but I will be damned if I'm going to pay money toward developing young players that will be sold off to Standard Liege at "mates rates". I've never won a bloody prize anyway!
I've actually sat down and thought about it and I genuinely think there is a possibility (and quite a big one) that I just won't bother renewing.
It's not just Powell leaving, its our best players going, the new ones meaning that we will go nowhere, and there's no improvements coming.
The worst part is as soon as we get excited about a player, we will know that the risk of him being shipped of to Liege as his punishment could be in the midst.
I love Charlton, and every week its what I look forward to most to be honest, but I just don't look forward to it now. It's not that we don't win, I don't care about that, it's that we have no real future impetus, whats that point of trying to move forward, when every step forward could literally result in 2 steps back.
I feel like Duchatalet is a dick and it seems like he sees his football clubs with an autistic level of emotion (that's not meant to be an insult to anyone), he just doesn't get it, and if this is the "European" way of doing things than that's just as shite.
I want something to happen to make me want to renew...
I won't be renewing ST after 20 continuous years unless I become convinced over the rest of the season that I can buy into and support Charlton's role in Roland's multi-club project, which currently does not seem likely to me. I can see how it makes sense for him, but it just will not for a lot of Charlton fans.
Have been a supporter since 1955 bought ist season ticket when we moved to palace, will still go but untill i feel this owner has charltons best interest , will go as and when suits me at no time have i had that feeling from this new o
I love Charlton. Always have and always will. Have been a fan/supporter for 53 of my 58 years, used to go with my late dad and now go with my youngest son, infected by the addick bug aged 8 and still infected 22 years later. Now I am living in Berkshire, my Saturdays and evening matches at the Valley are about much more than just the football. It is about honouring the history, seeing my old haunts and keeping in touch with both my sons, their partners and my grandkids.
I don't like what we have seen and heard of the RD approach so far; I hate the way CP has been treated; I hate the apparent interference in team affairs; I don't like the idea of us being a feeder club (if that's what he truly meant). But I don't think RD will be here for very long; the project will either fail or he will move on to other interests. Charlton will still be here when he is gone - probably still a basket case as it almost always has been in my lifetime, but still recognisably Charlton.
For all those reasons, although I am still reluctant to renew until we at least know what league we are going to be playing in and what RDs plans really are (backed up by actions because as sure as hell his words now have a hollow ring), I almost certainly will renew. I would love to bring RD into the open to explain his approach directly but I doubt that a season ticket strike will do that. Isn't most of our revenue from tv rights?
I will go, and I will obey the rules in the stadium, but I expect to be banned because I will be letting them know about every bad thing constantly and loudly. The only thing that will shut me up is win after win home and away, survival this season, and Jose Riga not being Rolands poodle, and him fighting for the autonomous good of Charlton Athletic on the football side.
It's hardly a protest if everyone is saying..."I won't buy a season ticket until deadline day and by then RD will have to tell us of his intentions..." is it?
All he's gonna do is wait until you all renew at the last minute and then call a 'behind closed doors, I love you all and want the best for you, your families, your poxy love affair with something called Charlton athletic' meeting, and fukk us all as we all really know is his whole purpose.
What a grumble and grunt the man is/seems/most likely is.
We as a family go back to 1920. We currently hold 4 season tickets and between us we see most games. We had a meeting tonight and have decided to exit supporting Charlton. End of an era for us. We just feel our money could be better spent elsewhere. Won't be on here and we have decided to all go to the valley tomorrow as a farewell. It's just not our club anymore and we will now go to watch Bromley.
Sadly i suspect a lot of opposing comment to Airman is based mainly on pre-conceived dislike of the individual rather than on the issues at hand.
Sorry Dan, but that comment is just plain wrong. Have a word with yourself.
If you think a fan - a proper fan - would base their support for the club or otherwise purely on a dislike for Airman Brown then you are so wide of the mark I find it hard to fathom.
You seem to be insinuating that anyone who might disagree is "sniping". Really?
It might not surprise you to know that I DO disagree with the notion of not renewing season tickets en masse - but not because Airman has suggested it.
Why then? Well, if the likes of me had taken that course of action when we left the Valley back in the day then this whole debate would be academic - there wouldn't be a club for any of us to support.
The club is bigger than any owner, manager or individual supporter - or website. The club WILL survive and continue, regardless of whether people like it or want to be a part of it. We all have a choice. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. If you don't like it then you are free to do whatever you think is right, as will the rest of us.
But either way I don't need people telling me I feel the way I do because of some petty personal issue. Disgraceful.
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Dont buy STs, cos the bloke who has bought the club with millions of his own money doesnt match up to your perception of a football club owner.
Lets all not go to any games ever again, watch RD close the club because of lack of interest and we can all start again as Charlton Reds (or something, Like Wimbledon) and then we can all disagree with the owners if we dont like what they are doing with their money.
Great.
When I read his statement, where he quotes us losing to Sheff Utd and being bottom of the league, like it was a reason to get rid of Powell - well I was thinking, why sell our 2 best players and try to force Chrissy to play a keeper who can't catch a ball! Why not replace the quality your sold. Th ereason we are bottom of th eleague and lost to United falls more firmly at RDs door than Chrissy's.
I would love to know what Alex Dyer and Paul Hart think of
these loanees that we have got from Standard Leige.
Do they think that they are Championship standard
and honestly good enough to be in the team.
Be very interesting if Ben Hamer plays tomorrow!
If you think a fan - a proper fan - would base their support for the club or otherwise purely on a dislike for Airman Brown then you are so wide of the mark I find it hard to fathom.
You seem to be insinuating that anyone who might disagree is "sniping". Really?
It might not surprise you to know that I DO disagree with the notion of not renewing season tickets en masse - but not because Airman has suggested it.
Why then? Well, if the likes of me had taken that course of action when we left the Valley back in the day then this whole debate would be academic - there wouldn't be a club for any of us to support.
The club is bigger than any owner, manager or individual supporter - or website. The club WILL survive and continue, regardless of whether people like it or want to be a part of it. We all have a choice. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. If you don't like it then you are free to do whatever you think is right, as will the rest of us.
But either way I don't need people telling me I feel the way I do because of some petty personal issue. Disgraceful.
Loads of people say we support Charlton Athletic first and foremost, and it does not matter who is the manager and who is running things.
Would we say that if, for example, Kim Ill Jong the 3rd bought us, and filled all positions with Korean Army death squads? Of course not, or err, would we? No of course we bloody wouldn't.
We are a zillion miles from that stupid example, but the point I am making is that for each of us there is a line to be drawn somewhere, and many have reached that line today.
kings hill addick make the point that to all intents and purposes Roland has clearly declared that we are (to all intents and purposes) the feeder club for Standard Liege, or at the least subservient to his favourite child.
Roland well knows he is exploiting the loyalty that Charlton fans have, not going would be a massive wrench, at least it would be for me. So Roland has me by the S&C's.
However, as long as I stay well within the law, it would also be my right to attend matches and heap as much criticism, vitriol, and vituperation on Jose Riga, and those future Standard Liege stars as I like. I may not be alone either.
I am not saying I will attend and be nasty, but it is going to take a fair bit of healing and persuasion, and right now, as KHA has pointed out, we are officially the feeder club to Standard Liege.
Our future is to be a copy of Crewe Alexandra and continually churn out decent players for other teams whilst getting nowhere ourselves.
However, I will be cancelling my Valley Gold membership. I know Charlton have always been a selling club, but I will be damned if I'm going to pay money toward developing young players that will be sold off to Standard Liege at "mates rates". I've never won a bloody prize anyway!
It's not just Powell leaving, its our best players going, the new ones meaning that we will go nowhere, and there's no improvements coming.
The worst part is as soon as we get excited about a player, we will know that the risk of him being shipped of to Liege as his punishment could be in the midst.
I love Charlton, and every week its what I look forward to most to be honest, but I just don't look forward to it now. It's not that we don't win, I don't care about that, it's that we have no real future impetus, whats that point of trying to move forward, when every step forward could literally result in 2 steps back.
I feel like Duchatalet is a dick and it seems like he sees his football clubs with an autistic level of emotion (that's not meant to be an insult to anyone), he just doesn't get it, and if this is the "European" way of doing things than that's just as shite.
I want something to happen to make me want to renew...
this owner has charltons best interest , will go as and when suits me at no time have i had that feeling from
this new o
I don't like what we have seen and heard of the RD approach so far; I hate the way CP has been treated; I hate the apparent interference in team affairs; I don't like the idea of us being a feeder club (if that's what he truly meant). But I don't think RD will be here for very long; the project will either fail or he will move on to other interests. Charlton will still be here when he is gone - probably still a basket case as it almost always has been in my lifetime, but still recognisably Charlton.
For all those reasons, although I am still reluctant to renew until we at least know what league we are going to be playing in and what RDs plans really are (backed up by actions because as sure as hell his words now have a hollow ring), I almost certainly will renew. I would love to bring RD into the open to explain his approach directly but I doubt that a season ticket strike will do that. Isn't most of our revenue from tv rights?
The only thing that will shut me up is win after win home and away, survival this season, and Jose Riga not being Rolands poodle, and him fighting for the autonomous good of Charlton Athletic on the football side.
All he's gonna do is wait until you all renew at the last minute and then call a 'behind closed doors,
I love you all and want the best for you, your families, your poxy love affair with something called Charlton athletic' meeting, and fukk us all as we all really know is his whole purpose.
What a grumble and grunt the man is/seems/most likely is.
Won't be on here and we have decided to all go to the valley tomorrow as a farewell. It's just not our club anymore and we will now go to watch Bromley.