I had read a lot of this thread until I eventually managed to watch the video. After the comments I expected to see a very aggressive person who had had a few beers being the typical bombastic bully. In reality I didn't see that. Admittedly he was standing over her a bit and putting his point over quite strongly but I thought he was quite articulate. I also did think that he stopped at the right times and let her express her points to him. And I also think she was answering his questions in a very controlled, respectful manner. From the piece that I saw I don't think that there was anything wrong with it. Hopefully it will have a positive effect by helping both Katrien and RD realize the passion they are dealing with when you decide to own an English football club. Nothing but positives can come from this in my opinion.
You have a strange view of what it is for someone to listen to another person then. Everytime Meire attempted to answer his question, he spoke over her.
Part of the profile of a successful senior manager is to assert one's authority in conflict situations. Training course Roland?
If the rumours are to be believed, they've just sacked someone for being very good in that particular department..
Di Canio - he would teach us that a changing room with a bit of disharmony could actually get sooo much worse Ally McCoist - dire manager Paul Jewell - dodgy sec tape isn't reallybin keeping with the way we do things. Oh, and he's crap Curbs - as KM says, why has nobody employed him... Guy Luzon - a known quantity
I dare say Acworth threw his name into the hat. Peter Reid maybe. Nobody that would tolerate being a puppet and nobody Of interest
All shit then. Known quantity applies equally to all of them.
I had read a lot of this thread until I eventually managed to watch the video. After the comments I expected to see a very aggressive person who had had a few beers being the typical bombastic bully. In reality I didn't see that. Admittedly he was standing over her a bit and putting his point over quite strongly but I thought he was quite articulate. I also did think that he stopped at the right times and let her express her points to him. And I also think she was answering his questions in a very controlled, respectful manner. From the piece that I saw I don't think that there was anything wrong with it. Hopefully it will have a positive effect by helping both Katrien and RD realize the passion they are dealing with when you decide to own an English football club. Nothing but positives can come from this in my opinion.
You have a strange view of what it is for someone to listen to another person then. Everytime Meire attempted to answer his question, he spoke over her.
Part of the profile of a successful senior manager is to assert one's authority in conflict situations. Training course Roland?
If the rumours are to be believed, they've just sacked someone for being very good in that particular department..
Having been bullied out of my last employment, I think I know the difference between that and assertion.
I don't accept the club's account is coherent, but it doesn't help to truncate the timeline. Peeters was sacked on Sunday, not Monday. The statement about a search beginning was issued on Monday afternoon. The 20 Acworth applications will have come in on Sunday.
The space for any interviews is theoretically between, say, Monday morning and whatever time Luzon set off for The Valley, where he arrived on Tuesday having already been appointed. Clearly he was not being interviewed by KM on Tuesday evening, in Roland's absence, as Sky portrayed.
If there were any interviews, as KM suggested there were, they will probably have been token affairs with existing network employees and unless they were conducted by RD they are a complete red herring. As KM said on the train, a key issue (for RD) is that the appointee is already known and trusted by him. That narrows the field somewhat.
You're right Airman I confused when the club “went live with the sacking of Bob Peeters” (Sunday) - after which “within an hour” there were supposedly “20 applications” - with the announcement of a “Search under way for new Charlton Head Coach” (Monday).
But surely “The space for any interviews” ('theoretical' or 'token') only runs until “late [Monday] evening [when] it became clear that Guy was the favourite" (and the 'search' ended) rather than whatever time Luzon set off for the Valley?
But these details don't change the clear conclusion (which I think you share) that there was no meaningful 'selection' process and that Luzon (who was already on Duchatelet's payroll) was the pre-planned replacement with no serious consideration of any alternatives.
However, you don't suggest any reason why you think they needed to go through this 'search and interview' charade? It would have been quite possible to announce that they needed to act quickly to replace Peeters, that Luzon was available and (in their view) he had a good record etc (in fact all the things that Duchatelet said about him when his appointment was announced on Tuesday). I've said that the only plausible explanation I can think of is a perceived need to meet the requirements of a work permit for Luzon as there was at least a chance of him being refused if he was simply appointed without the appearance of some sort of 'selection' process taking place. I'd be interested in your view?
I wonder how Roland feels about the alleged 'abuse' his CEO experienced yesterday. Could there be some form of backlash or repercussion? The next few days may be interesting.
When the witch-hunt is over and she resigns, it is encouraging to know that there are so many people (on here alone) that will do such a better job in the circumstances.
Am sure I, and many others, have forgotten more about CAFC than she will ever know. Possibly makes us more qualified to be CEO than her, even if she is a hot shot lawyer!
When the witch-hunt is over and she resigns, it is encouraging to know that there are so many people (on here alone) that will do such a better job in the circumstances.
Am sure I, and many others, have forgotten more about CAFC than she will ever know. Possibly makes us more qualified to be CEO than her, even if she is a hot shot lawyer!
I wonder how Roland feels about the alleged 'abuse' his CEO experienced yesterday. Could there be some form of backlash or repercussion? The next few days may be interesting.
For what it's worth, I really don't believe she intentionally 'lied'. As has been said previously my others, my view is that she was basically shafted by RD with regard to the appointment of a new manager/head coach. However, from a PR viewpoint what has happened over the past week has been a disaster of the highest proportions.
I had and still do have, the highest regard for KM but I really think she has nowhere to turn. I reckon that she didn't intentionally 'lie' regarding any recruitment process and that RD has basically hung her out to dry. Fanny will probably know the gist of the situation having been present at the FF during the week but to expect KM to be disloyal publicly is a step too far if you think about it.
Kudos to KM to continue to travel on the train after what has happened and I don't think that what she suffered from the video I've seen was really that bad and apparently she had two Charlton bods to back her up if necessary and at no point did I see them stepping in. The guy was frustrated, as many of us are, and he'd had a few beers (like I have today so this isn't particularly coherent) but really, worse goes on in many workplaces day to day.
I just wish this club could get a grip of what's affecting supporters and how we feel about it, it's a special place and like no other.
Nothing remotely sensible to add. Pissed of Gravesend.
Luzon was lined up b4 peeters was sacked simple , the club ie KM and RD took us the fans for mugs ,no other candidates at all ,and they know that ,the majority of fans don't want Luzon nor do the players , the whole process is a joke the owner is a joke and the football club as a whole is a joke , KM knows there where no other candidates so she should stop feeding us with crap and give the fans the truth.
The fans ain't happy she got the brunt of how some feel yesterday , but she has brought it upon herself or taken orders from RD .
Roland get the train to wolves next week and let's see if I can handle the crap KM had thrown at her.
I've said that the only plausible explanation I can think of is a perceived need to meet the requirements of a work permit for Luzon as there was at least a chance of him being refused if he was simply appointed without the appearance of some sort of 'selection' process taking place. I'd be interested in your view?
It's not a plausible explanation because it is not a VISA requirement in this case - and they would have known that (this was done to death in another thread).
I can only assume the reason so many people are being exercised by this is the hope it raised of an English manager appointment. RD wanted Luzon and he appointed Luzon - end of in my opinion. If there had been a 2 week or so protracted recruitment process people on here would be moaning on one or both counts of 'they were always going to appoint Luzon' and/or 'we've wasted 2 weeks of the transfer window and how can the new manager get players in with just a week to go'.
Could they have handled it better? Yes. But really, 'Company leak misinformation shock!'
I wonder how Roland feels about the alleged 'abuse' his CEO experienced yesterday. Could there be some form of backlash or repercussion? The next few days may be interesting.
Lets hope he sells us.
To whom?
I have no idea to whom. Was RD on your list of ideal owners when the other pair sold? I'd never heard of him ( and wish that was still the case). Someone who loves Charlton would be perfect, but assuming that's unlikely, someone who loves football rather than just making money would be more than acceptable to me.
When the witch-hunt is over and she resigns, it is encouraging to know that there are so many people (on here alone) that will do such a better job in the circumstances.
Am sure I, and many others, have forgotten more about CAFC than she will ever know. Possibly makes us more qualified to be CEO than her, even if she is a hot shot lawyer!
Possibly. But much more probably, not at all. Remotely. In any way. Varney was a fan who ALSO knew about business, KM and the cockney mob had one but not both.
And why was it 'embarrassing'? I thought he put over his views in an articulate South London way. Nothing at all wrong with that and certainly no reason to be embarrassed in my opinion.
I wonder how Roland feels about the alleged 'abuse' his CEO experienced yesterday. Could there be some form of backlash or repercussion? The next few days may be interesting.
Lets hope he sells us.
To whom?
I have no idea to whom. Was RD on your list of ideal owners when the other pair sold? I'd never heard of him ( and wish that was still the case). Someone who loves Charlton would be perfect, but assuming that's unlikely, someone who loves football rather than just making money would be more than acceptable to me.
Of course we would all love say lottery winner Johnny Robinson or Chrissy Powell to be our new owner. But it's not happening is it? A mega wealthy Charlton benefactor has yet to be identified. Despite years of searching by RM and others with CAFC's best interests at heart.
So we have to operate in the real world, not get upset when our fantasy dreams don't come true. It doesn't matter one iota what is acceptable to you (or me, or anyone). We were drinking at the last chance saloon, and complaining when a Belgian stranger in blue suede shoes walks in and buys us a cheap whiskey when what we wanted was the finest malt is ridiculous. ( nearly as ridiculous as that analogy!)
I remember the last lot, the threat of administration, points reduction, the spectre of league 1 football a decaying stadium and pitch, and the worry of losing the club completely. I remember the rumors of takeovers and desperately wanting anyone to take over post Cash. I'm grateful and willing to give it time. Premiership Rome can't be built in a season.
I wonder how Roland feels about the alleged 'abuse' his CEO experienced yesterday. Could there be some form of backlash or repercussion? The next few days may be interesting.
Lets hope he sells us.
To whom?
I have no idea to whom. Was RD on your list of ideal owners when the other pair sold? I'd never heard of him ( and wish that was still the case). Someone who loves Charlton would be perfect, but assuming that's unlikely, someone who loves football rather than just making money would be more than acceptable to me.
When the witch-hunt is over and she resigns, it is encouraging to know that there are so many people (on here alone) that will do such a better job in the circumstances.
A somewhat daft comment. Are you really saying that you are not allowed an opinion unless you have qualifications to do the job? So maybe audience participation in Question time should be stopped as many of those would never be qualified to be PM !
KM was a work experience girl 4 years ago who has had a meteoric rise from RD and ended up as CEO of Charlton.
I don't doubt she is intelligent and capable in a text book way but for a young person to head over to another country and take on a prominent and key strategic role in a business that; by its nature, has more emotion running through its fans/customers than most is nigh on impossible. She is naive (as pretty much everyone of her age is). I am sure she will learn from all of this and be very successful.
No doubting that for RD she will have been a 'cheap' option.
- it’s not abuse. he just does not understand the importance of listening to the answer
- several other fans tried to calm him down and disagreed with some of his points. Good for them.
- I greatly admire Katrien for travelling to and from games on the train.
- what a pity though that as a result she says more to a random fan than to choose to put her case for example to the Trust in a calm disciplined discussion.
There are still many questions unanswered, because he didn't ask them.
She says more to a fan on a train than she says to the trust? Does that make you wonder why she's not more willing to speak to yourselves on a regular basis?
Rightly or wrongly he got more answers from her than we have heard all week. Unless the minutes from last Thursday's Fans Forum meeting till us more (Out 29th January)
One of the recent News Shopper blogs had a lot of new information from her given to him on the way back on the train from Blackburn. (Yann money spent on the new pitch)
In summary you could arrange your trust meetings with her on public transport or get Sydney Cheesewright (Train Travel Orgainser) to speak to her on the 17:45 this Saturday from Wolverhampton and feedback to the trust board members.
I wonder how Roland feels about the alleged 'abuse' his CEO experienced yesterday. Could there be some form of backlash or repercussion? The next few days may be interesting.
Lets hope he sells us.
To whom?
I have no idea to whom. Was RD on your list of ideal owners when the other pair sold? I'd never heard of him ( and wish that was still the case). Someone who loves Charlton would be perfect, but assuming that's unlikely, someone who loves football rather than just making money would be more than acceptable to me.
Of course we would all love say lottery winner Johnny Robinson or Chrissy Powell to be our new owner. But it's not happening is it? A mega wealthy Charlton benefactor has yet to be identified. Despite years of searching by RM and others with CAFC's best interests at heart.
So we have to operate in the real world, not get upset when our fantasy dreams don't come true. It doesn't matter one iota what is acceptable to you (or me, or anyone). We were drinking at the last chance saloon, and complaining when a Belgian stranger in blue suede shoes walks in and buys us a cheap whiskey when what we wanted was the finest malt is ridiculous. ( nearly as ridiculous as that analogy!)
I remember the last lot, the threat of administration, points reduction, the spectre of league 1 football a decaying stadium and pitch, and the worry of losing the club completely. I remember the rumors of takeovers and desperately wanting anyone to take over post Cash. I'm grateful and willing to give it time. Premiership Rome can't be built in a season.
The fall back position. No one forced Duchatelet to buy Charlton.
The current Duchatelet ownership is about him and hubris in thinking that the Championship can be cracked on a shoe string with cheap network players. I also suspect that Duchatelet has a fall back position of being happy to run Charlton as a League One club and try to make some money off the Academy players. Duchatelet is not at Charlton for anyone's benefit but himself.
Charlton did not go into administration because someone bought. That's good. It does not mean that all Charlton supporters have to be eternally grateful and not comment on a strategy and plans which are incompetent and inadequate and plainly not going to work. Just look at the wafer thin squad that was provided for this season. Talk of the premiership is just pie in the sky. The only place Charlton are heading under Duchatelet's ownership and poor footballing decisions is League One.
I wonder how Roland feels about the alleged 'abuse' his CEO experienced yesterday. Could there be some form of backlash or repercussion? The next few days may be interesting.
Lets hope he sells us.
To whom?
I have no idea to whom. Was RD on your list of ideal owners when the other pair sold? I'd never heard of him ( and wish that was still the case). Someone who loves Charlton would be perfect, but assuming that's unlikely, someone who loves football rather than just making money would be more than acceptable to me.
Of course we would all love say lottery winner Johnny Robinson or Chrissy Powell to be our new owner. But it's not happening is it? A mega wealthy Charlton benefactor has yet to be identified. Despite years of searching by RM and others with CAFC's best interests at heart.
So we have to operate in the real world, not get upset when our fantasy dreams don't come true. It doesn't matter one iota what is acceptable to you (or me, or anyone). We were drinking at the last chance saloon, and complaining when a Belgian stranger in blue suede shoes walks in and buys us a cheap whiskey when what we wanted was the finest malt is ridiculous. ( nearly as ridiculous as that analogy!)
I remember the last lot, the threat of administration, points reduction, the spectre of league 1 football a decaying stadium and pitch, and the worry of losing the club completely. I remember the rumors of takeovers and desperately wanting anyone to take over post Cash. I'm grateful and willing to give it time. Premiership Rome can't be built in a season.
A sale to decent owners was more difficult because of having to deal with the ducker and divers of Jimensz and Slater. The sale price of 40 to 45 million was way over. There was also a complicated debt structure. Some work has gone into infrastructure (the pitch partially funded by the sale of Kermogant). Hopefully a new sale would be less complicated and Duchatelet willing to sell would hopefully be an easier business person to deal with then Jimensz and Slater. With a committed owner with proper levels of investment, Charlton would be in a good shape for a tilt at the Premiership similar to Bournemouth and Brentford and Southampton before.
The other good thing is that Duchatelet can work on the Academy to improve the sale value and does not have to sell in a hurry. It was clear that Jimensz and Slater were running on empty after the Kevin Cash backing went. Maybe there will be a positive legacy from Duchatelet's ownership at the club. I feel that this will only be as an interim owner.
so we lose 0-5 in an abject surrender and the crowd is chanting "we want Roly out" most of the afternoon. What possessed a seemingly intelligent woman to get on a train full of Irate Charlton fans? Bizarre. Surely someone in the club could have advised her to hang around for an hour?
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No way is he articulate.
Embarrassing is my description.
But surely “The space for any interviews” ('theoretical' or 'token') only runs until “late [Monday] evening [when] it became clear that Guy was the favourite" (and the 'search' ended) rather than whatever time Luzon set off for the Valley?
But these details don't change the clear conclusion (which I think you share) that there was no meaningful 'selection' process and that Luzon (who was already on Duchatelet's payroll) was the pre-planned replacement with no serious consideration of any alternatives.
However, you don't suggest any reason why you think they needed to go through this 'search and interview' charade? It would have been quite possible to announce that they needed to act quickly to replace Peeters, that Luzon was available and (in their view) he had a good record etc (in fact all the things that Duchatelet said about him when his appointment was announced on Tuesday). I've said that the only plausible explanation I can think of is a perceived need to meet the requirements of a work permit for Luzon as there was at least a chance of him being refused if he was simply appointed without the appearance of some sort of 'selection' process taking place. I'd be interested in your view?
For what it's worth, I really don't believe she intentionally 'lied'. As has been said previously my others, my view is that she was basically shafted by RD with regard to the appointment of a new manager/head coach. However, from a PR viewpoint what has happened over the past week has been a disaster of the highest proportions.
I had and still do have, the highest regard for KM but I really think she has nowhere to turn. I reckon that she didn't intentionally 'lie' regarding any recruitment process and that RD has basically hung her out to dry. Fanny will probably know the gist of the situation having been present at the FF during the week but to expect KM to be disloyal publicly is a step too far if you think about it.
Kudos to KM to continue to travel on the train after what has happened and I don't think that what she suffered from the video I've seen was really that bad and apparently she had two Charlton bods to back her up if necessary and at no point did I see them stepping in. The guy was frustrated, as many of us are, and he'd had a few beers (like I have today so this isn't particularly coherent) but really, worse goes on in many workplaces day to day.
I just wish this club could get a grip of what's affecting supporters and how we feel about it, it's a special place and like no other.
Nothing remotely sensible to add. Pissed of Gravesend.
The fans ain't happy she got the brunt of how some feel yesterday , but she has brought it upon herself or taken orders from RD .
Roland get the train to wolves next week and let's see if I can handle the crap KM had thrown at her.
I can only assume the reason so many people are being exercised by this is the hope it raised of an English manager appointment. RD wanted Luzon and he appointed Luzon - end of in my opinion. If there had been a 2 week or so protracted recruitment process people on here would be moaning on one or both counts of 'they were always going to appoint Luzon' and/or 'we've wasted 2 weeks of the transfer window and how can the new manager get players in with just a week to go'.
Could they have handled it better? Yes. But really, 'Company leak misinformation shock!'
A mega wealthy Charlton benefactor has yet to be identified. Despite years of searching by RM and others with CAFC's best interests at heart.
So we have to operate in the real world, not get upset when our fantasy dreams don't come true. It doesn't matter one iota what is acceptable to you (or me, or anyone). We were drinking at the last chance saloon, and complaining when a Belgian stranger in blue suede shoes walks in and buys us a cheap whiskey when what we wanted was the finest malt is ridiculous. ( nearly as ridiculous as that analogy!)
I remember the last lot, the threat of administration, points reduction, the spectre of league 1 football a decaying stadium and pitch, and the worry of losing the club completely. I remember the rumors of takeovers and desperately wanting anyone to take over post Cash. I'm grateful and willing to give it time. Premiership Rome can't be built in a season.
KM was a work experience girl 4 years ago who has had a meteoric rise from RD and ended up as CEO of Charlton.
I don't doubt she is intelligent and capable in a text book way but for a young person to head over to another country and take on a prominent and key strategic role in a business that; by its nature, has more emotion running through its fans/customers than most is nigh on impossible. She is naive (as pretty much everyone of her age is). I am sure she will learn from all of this and be very successful.
No doubting that for RD she will have been a 'cheap' option.
Rightly or wrongly he got more answers from her than we have heard all week. Unless the minutes from last Thursday's Fans Forum meeting till us more (Out 29th January)
One of the recent News Shopper blogs had a lot of new information from her given to him on the way back on the train from Blackburn. (Yann money spent on the new pitch)
In summary you could arrange your trust meetings with her on public transport or get Sydney Cheesewright (Train Travel Orgainser) to speak to her on the 17:45 this Saturday from Wolverhampton and feedback to the trust board members.
The current Duchatelet ownership is about him and hubris in thinking that the Championship can be cracked on a shoe string with cheap network players. I also suspect that Duchatelet has a fall back position of being happy to run Charlton as a League One club and try to make some money off the Academy players. Duchatelet is not at Charlton for anyone's benefit but himself.
Charlton did not go into administration because someone bought. That's good. It does not mean that all Charlton supporters have to be eternally grateful and not comment on a strategy and plans which are incompetent and inadequate and plainly not going to work. Just look at the wafer thin squad that was provided for this season. Talk of the premiership is just pie in the sky. The only place Charlton are heading under Duchatelet's ownership and poor footballing decisions is League One.
The other good thing is that Duchatelet can work on the Academy to improve the sale value and does not have to sell in a hurry. It was clear that Jimensz and Slater were running on empty after the Kevin Cash backing went. Maybe there will be a positive legacy from Duchatelet's ownership at the club. I feel that this will only be as an interim owner.
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