I was on the train myself, it went on for a good 20 minutes. The guy who was speaking to her was actually alright, yes he was a little lagered up but his heart was in the right place.
Katrien at one point was stood up over her seat red faced shouting at the guy, so she did give as good as she got. I did feel a bit sorry for her and tried to calm it down, she was saved by the fact that it was the fast train.
The only thing that pissed me off the most about the day was fans singing "We're going down", I mean come on... Why bother going.
- it’s not abuse. he just does not understand the importance of listening to the answer
- several other fans tried to calm him down and disagreed with some of his points. Good for them.
- I greatly admire Katrien for travelling to and from games on the train.
- what a pity though that as a result she says more to a random fan than to choose to put her case for example to the Trust in a calm disciplined discussion.
There are still many questions unanswered, because he didn't ask them.
She says more to a fan on a train than she says to the trust? Does that make you wonder why she's not more willing to speak to yourselves on a regular basis?
Rightly or wrongly he got more answers from her than we have heard all week. Unless the minutes from last Thursday's Fans Forum meeting till us more (Out 29th January)
One of the recent News Shopper blogs had a lot of new information from her given to him on the way back on the train from Blackburn. (Yann money spent on the new pitch)
In summary you could arrange your trust meetings with her on public transport or get Sydney Cheesewright (Train Travel Orgainser) to speak to her on the 17:45 this Saturday from Wolverhampton and feedback to the trust board members.
Amusing retort 'shirty,' Last time I spoke to Sydney he was slightly more concerned with coach travel though, at the FF.
I take the conclusion, that despite numerous attempts that the board have attempted to persuade KM to have a constructive dialogue, is perhaps the regard that she holds the trust in, or RD her boss does.?
She claims, that she wishes to speak to the fans,( as on the BBC) and yet except for the Fans Forum would rather indulge in this rather strange behaviour.
Of course she is free to talk to who she wishes, when she wishes, the question perhaps to ask is why ignore over a thousand trust members, but indulge in this type of behaviour in the aftermath of a very poor team performance when emotions are running high?. Is this really how she wishes to represent her views and the club.?
I would also question the effectiveness of the SLP, and the newshopper as an effective media platforms to reach the majority of CAFC fan's. By all means they should be part of the comms media contacts, but a more effective pathway might be to speak to the trust and the other supporter groups that are in existence, if she wishes to connect with the fan's.
Richard Murray has twice appeared at trust events, in the past year the Counting house an at the last trust AGM. I am sure that my fellow board members would have no hesitation in inviting RD or KM to such an event.
As the head of comms at CAFC, perhaps she should consider the idea herself?
More than happy to discuss it, and involve the other supporter groups, quite a few which are trust members .
If it happens shirty, perhaps we can let you ask the first question?
I don't accept the club's account is coherent, but it doesn't help to truncate the timeline. Peeters was sacked on Sunday, not Monday. The statement about a search beginning was issued on Monday afternoon. The 20 Acworth applications will have come in on Sunday.
The space for any interviews is theoretically between, say, Monday morning and whatever time Luzon set off for The Valley, where he arrived on Tuesday having already been appointed. Clearly he was not being interviewed by KM on Tuesday evening, in Roland's absence, as Sky portrayed.
If there were any interviews, as KM suggested there were, they will probably have been token affairs with existing network employees and unless they were conducted by RD they are a complete red herring. As KM said on the train, a key issue (for RD) is that the appointee is already known and trusted by him. That narrows the field somewhat.
You're right Airman I confused when the club “went live with the sacking of Bob Peeters” (Sunday) - after which “within an hour” there were supposedly “20 applications” - with the announcement of a “Search under way for new Charlton Head Coach” (Monday).
But surely “The space for any interviews” ('theoretical' or 'token') only runs until “late [Monday] evening [when] it became clear that Guy was the favourite" (and the 'search' ended) rather than whatever time Luzon set off for the Valley?
But these details don't change the clear conclusion (which I think you share) that there was no meaningful 'selection' process and that Luzon (who was already on Duchatelet's payroll) was the pre-planned replacement with no serious consideration of any alternatives.
However, you don't suggest any reason why you think they needed to go through this 'search and interview' charade? It would have been quite possible to announce that they needed to act quickly to replace Peeters, that Luzon was available and (in their view) he had a good record etc (in fact all the things that Duchatelet said about him when his appointment was announced on Tuesday). I've said that the only plausible explanation I can think of is a perceived need to meet the requirements of a work permit for Luzon as there was at least a chance of him being refused if he was simply appointed without the appearance of some sort of 'selection' process taking place. I'd be interested in your view?
Possible reasons only:
1) An attempt to demonstrate to the playing staff that Luzon was not predetermined by interviewing Damien Matthew. 2) KM believed she was running a process until Monday evening when RD advised her otherwise, leaving her hung out to dry by the statement just issued. 3) Attempt to achieve leverage over Luzon, perhaps over terms, by suggesting he wasn't the only candidate. For example, if he wanted money RD wouldn't pay. 4) Hamfisted attempt to stand up KM's position as set out in the Brighton programme. 5) Something to do with the work permit requirement, but comments above on this being unnecessary noted.
- it’s not abuse. he just does not understand the importance of listening to the answer
- several other fans tried to calm him down and disagreed with some of his points. Good for them.
- I greatly admire Katrien for travelling to and from games on the train.
- what a pity though that as a result she says more to a random fan than to choose to put her case for example to the Trust in a calm disciplined discussion.
There are still many questions unanswered, because he didn't ask them.
She says more to a fan on a train than she says to the trust? Does that make you wonder why she's not more willing to speak to yourselves on a regular basis?
Rightly or wrongly he got more answers from her than we have heard all week. Unless the minutes from last Thursday's Fans Forum meeting till us more (Out 29th January)
One of the recent News Shopper blogs had a lot of new information from her given to him on the way back on the train from Blackburn. (Yann money spent on the new pitch)
In summary you could arrange your trust meetings with her on public transport or get Sydney Cheesewright (Train Travel Orgainser) to speak to her on the 17:45 this Saturday from Wolverhampton and feedback to the trust board members.
Amusing retort 'shirty,' Last time I spoke to Sydney he was slightly more concerned with coach travel though, at the FF.
I take the conclusion, that despite numerous attempts that the board have attempted to persuade KM to have a constructive dialogue, is perhaps the regard that she holds the trust in, or RD her boss does.?
She claims, that she wishes to speak to the fans,( as on the BBC) and yet except for the Fans Forum would rather indulge in this rather strange behaviour.
Of course she is free to talk to who she wishes, when she wishes, the question perhaps to ask is why ignore over a thousand trust members, but indulge in this type of behaviour in the aftermath of a very poor team performance when emotions are running high?. Is this really how she wishes to represent her views and the club.?
I would also question the effectiveness of the SLP, and the newshopper as an effective media platforms to reach the majority of CAFC fan's. By all means they should be part of the comms media contacts, but a more effective pathway might be to speak to the trust and the other supporter groups that are in existence, if she wishes to connect with the fan's.
Richard Murray has twice appeared at trust events, in the past year the Counting house an at the last trust AGM. I am sure that my fellow board members would have no hesitation in inviting RD or KM to such an event.
As the head of comms at CAFC, perhaps she should consider the idea herself?
More than happy to discuss it, and involve the other supporter groups, quite a few which are trust members .
If it happens shirty, perhaps we can let you ask the first question?
Regarding the SLP, people need to understand that they get the stories because they have a sports desk, build up relationships over years and chase information.
Sadly, and despite the efforts of individuals at the Shopper, which is much better than it used to be, there is no real competition to it now.
The media has changed, but I don't think the trust is a substitute for independent resourced journalists, imperfect as they may be. The trust's role is different.
so we lose 0-5 in an abject surrender and the crowd is chanting "we want Roly out" most of the afternoon. What possessed a seemingly intelligent woman to get on a train full of Irate Charlton fans? Bizarre. Surely someone in the club could have advised her to hang around for an hour?
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Probably because she got the train there and didn't have her car to take her home, add to that the fact she was travelling with a sponsor.
Bit odd that there is only that one video, surely there is more footage?
When the witch-hunt is over and she resigns, it is encouraging to know that there are so many people (on here alone) that will do such a better job in the circumstances.
A somewhat daft comment. Are you really saying that you are not allowed an opinion unless you have qualifications to do the job? So maybe audience participation in Question time should be stopped as many of those would never be qualified to be PM !
KM was a work experience girl 4 years ago who has had a meteoric rise from RD and ended up as CEO of Charlton.
I don't doubt she is intelligent and capable in a text book way but for a young person to head over to another country and take on a prominent and key strategic role in a business that; by its nature, has more emotion running through its fans/customers than most is nigh on impossible. She is naive (as pretty much everyone of her age is). I am sure she will learn from all of this and be very successful.
No doubting that for RD she will have been a 'cheap' option.
Seems to me that RD likes to surround himself with what he considers to be young up and coming people. I think the reasons are probably because
a) they are cheap b) they feel grateful to have been given a leg up and will do exactly what they are told through fear of blowing their big chance.
so we lose 0-5 in an abject surrender and the crowd is chanting "we want Roly out" most of the afternoon. What possessed a seemingly intelligent woman to get on a train full of Irate Charlton fans? Bizarre. Surely someone in the club could have advised her to hang around for an hour?
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Probably because she got the train there and didn't have her car to take her home, add to that the fact she was travelling with a sponsor.
Bit odd that there is only that one video, surely there is more footage?
Travelling with a sponsor? That's new info and further bad news if true.
so we lose 0-5 in an abject surrender and the crowd is chanting "we want Roly out" most of the afternoon. What possessed a seemingly intelligent woman to get on a train full of Irate Charlton fans? Bizarre. Surely someone in the club could have advised her to hang around for an hour?
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Probably because she got the train there and didn't have her car to take her home, add to that the fact she was travelling with a sponsor.
Bit odd that there is only that one video, surely there is more footage?
Travelling with a sponsor? That's new info and further bad news if true.
I don't think it was a big money sponsor but it was mentioned further back in the thread somewhere.
I was on the train myself, it went on for a good 20 minutes. The guy who was speaking to her was actually aright, yes he was a little lagered up but his heart was in the right place. Katrien at one point was stood up over her seat red faced shouting at the guy, so she did give as good as she got. I did feel a bit sorry for her and tried to calm it down, she was saved by the fact that it was the fast train.
The only thing that pissed my off the most about the day was fans singing "We're going down", I mean come on... Why bother going.
funny that never made it onto any footage, maybe she paid off the camera man to paint her as the cornered lady.
I was on the train myself, it went on for a good 20 minutes. The guy who was speaking to her was actually aright, yes he was a little lagered up but his heart was in the right place. Katrien at one point was stood up over her seat red faced shouting at the guy, so she did give as good as she got. I did feel a bit sorry for her and tried to calm it down, she was saved by the fact that it was the fast train.
The only thing that pissed my off the most about the day was fans singing "We're going down", I mean come on... Why bother going.
funny that never made it onto any footage, maybe she paid off the camera man to paint her as the cornered lady.
Did you miss the bit where he said it went on for 20Mins and the video is 5?
I was on the train myself, it went on for a good 20 minutes. The guy who was speaking to her was actually aright, yes he was a little lagered up but his heart was in the right place. Katrien at one point was stood up over her seat red faced shouting at the guy, so she did give as good as she got. I did feel a bit sorry for her and tried to calm it down, she was saved by the fact that it was the fast train.
The only thing that pissed my off the most about the day was fans singing "We're going down", I mean come on... Why bother going.
funny that never made it onto any footage, maybe she paid off the camera man to paint her as the cornered lady.
Did you miss the bit where he said it went on for 20Mins and the video is 5?
so we lose 0-5 in an abject surrender and the crowd is chanting "we want Roly out" most of the afternoon. What possessed a seemingly intelligent woman to get on a train full of Irate Charlton fans? Bizarre. Surely someone in the club could have advised her to hang around for an hour?
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Bit odd that there is only that one video, surely there is more footage?
I've said that the only plausible explanation I can think of is a perceived need to meet the requirements of a work permit for Luzon as there was at least a chance of him being refused if he was simply appointed without the appearance of some sort of 'selection' process taking place. I'd be interested in your view?
It's not a plausible explanation because it is not a VISA requirement in this case - and they would have known that (this was done to death in another thread).
I can only assume the reason so many people are being exercised by this is the hope it raised of an English manager appointment. RD wanted Luzon and he appointed Luzon - end of in my opinion. If there had been a 2 week or so protracted recruitment process people on here would be moaning on one or both counts of 'they were always going to appoint Luzon' and/or 'we've wasted 2 weeks of the transfer window and how can the new manager get players in with just a week to go'.
Could they have handled it better? Yes. But really, 'Company leak misinformation shock!'
Yes I'd read that other thread and your informed view (based on your experience as “the Group HR Director for a group that includes a Premiership Football Club”) that:
“he would be exempt from the resident labour market test (no need for Charlton to have advertised the position to attract candidates who already have the right to work in the UK) assuming he is earning in excess of £3k per week”
Which is partly why I said “a perceived need to meet the requirements of a work permit” i.e. that someone (possibly KM ) believed it was necessary to go through an apparent 'selection' process – hence the announcement on Monday afternoon of a “Search under way for new Charlton Head Coach” which then abruptly ended less than 12 hours later (possibly at Duchatelet's insistence) “late [Monday] evening [when] it became clear that Guy was the favourite".
The alternative would seem to be that it was a ham-fisted attempt to convince fans that a recruitment process was under way which has then spectacularly misfired and, in my view, left the club in a worse position than if it had simply appointed Luzon straight away. As I've said, they could have announced on Monday that they needed to act quickly to replace Peeters (due to the club's league position, the transfer window etc), and that Luzon was immediately available and (in their view) had a good record etc. That would have attracted some adverse reaction from fans but not as much I think as has happened as a result of the 'recruitment' charade – hopes raised and then dashed and a widespread view that we were deceived and probably lied to.
If KM was responsible for either of these possible misjudgements then it might explain why she appeared so flustered at the press conference on Wednesday and why she seems to have been hung out to dry by Duchatelet to sort the mess out on her own?
I was on the train myself, it went on for a good 20 minutes. The guy who was speaking to her was actually aright, yes he was a little lagered up but his heart was in the right place.
Katrien at one point was stood up over her seat red faced shouting at the guy, so she did give as good as she got. I did feel a bit sorry for her and tried to calm it down, she was saved by the fact that it was the fast train.
The only thing that pissed my off the most about the day was fans singing "We're going down", I mean come on... Why bother going.
I was on the train myself, it went on for a good 20 minutes. The guy who was speaking to her was actually aright, yes he was a little lagered up but his heart was in the right place. Katrien at one point was stood up over her seat red faced shouting at the guy, so she did give as good as she got. I did feel a bit sorry for her and tried to calm it down, she was saved by the fact that it was the fast train.
The only thing that pissed my off the most about the day was fans singing "We're going down", I mean come on... Why bother going.
funny that never made it onto any footage, maybe she paid off the camera man to paint her as the cornered lady.
funny that the muppet shouting "Belgian Cu¬75" never made it onto any footage too.
I must say, it was mildly refreshing to see KM react with such passion. Having questioned her last week, I must say from the video that she is a person who clearly gives a shit about the current state of affairs.
Lets hope the players give a shit up at Wolves too. I'll be there. COYR.
I was on the train myself, it went on for a good 20 minutes. The guy who was speaking to her was actually aright, yes he was a little lagered up but his heart was in the right place. Katrien at one point was stood up over her seat red faced shouting at the guy, so she did give as good as she got. I did feel a bit sorry for her and tried to calm it down, she was saved by the fact that it was the fast train.
The only thing that pissed my off the most about the day was fans singing "We're going down", I mean come on... Why bother going.
funny that never made it onto any footage, maybe she paid off the camera man to paint her as the cornered lady.
funny that the muppet shouting "Belgian Cu¬75" never made it onto any footage too.
Did you or anyone else there do anything to shut this idiot up? (Not that I think anyone has to, I'm just curious)
I've said that the only plausible explanation I can think of is a perceived need to meet the requirements of a work permit for Luzon as there was at least a chance of him being refused if he was simply appointed without the appearance of some sort of 'selection' process taking place. I'd be interested in your view?
.......an apparent 'selection' process – hence the announcement on Monday afternoon of a “Search under way for new Charlton Head Coach” which then abruptly ended less than 12 hours later (possibly at Duchatelet's insistence) “late [Monday] evening [when] it became clear that Guy was the favourite".
'.....recruitment' charade – hopes raised and then dashed and a widespread view that we were deceived and probably lied to.
If KM was responsible for either of these possible misjudgements then it might explain why she appeared so flustered at the press conference on Wednesday and why she seems to have been hung out to dry by Duchatelet to sort the mess out on her own?
'Apparent selection process'...'recruitment charade'..Really don't get this conspiracy theory.
Do you really think KM would have more than 1% input into the selection of the new coach or the process to make that selection? At the press conference she used the word 'search' and everyone takes the absolute literal meaning of that word to infer that Charlton were going to embark on an exhaustive headhunt and selection process worthy of a multi national conglomerate. When the appointment is made only hours after the press conference, making it quite clear that this 'search' did not take place, everyone labels her a liar. Rediculous. She knew that RD was consulting his football advisors about the new appointment and used the term 'search' to describe those consultations. Remember she is speaking in a foreign language - maybe a better term would have been 'we are looking to make an appointment soon'.
On the appointment itself I am much happier about it then the appointment of Peeters. I had heard of neither before but Peeters's record had nothing that could justify his appointment. This new guy seems to have a decent record, if very short, in the Belgium top division.
Have just watched the video i have to admit it left me slightly embarrassed, confronting Katrien on the train is just not on, if fact it made me quite angry. Next time piss off home pour your self a drink and vent your anger on a forum.
So many people desperate to jump to her defense on here just because she's female? Nothing wrong with some heated questions after a shambolic few weeks. Nothing aggressive or violent about the whole incident.
RD should consider hiring a female 'Head Coach'. That way all the white knights will be too desperate to defend her honor to consider defending the club.
So many people desperate to jump to her defense on here just because she's female? Nothing wrong with some heated questions after a shambolic few weeks. Nothing aggressive or violent about the whole incident.
RD should consider hiring a female 'Head Coach'. That way all the white knights will be too desperate to defend her honor to consider defending the club.
Really cringe.
I think there's some of this going on...
If people don't agree with what happened on the train, then that's absolutely fine to say that. However don't patronise an intelligent (and accomplished) adult by making this about her gender. That's pretty embarrassing for everyone involved.
Unfortunately, that's what these threads are reading like at the moment.
Given the relative silence (bar the bullshit statements recently released that nobody believes) a guy saw his opportunity to ask a question in an open forum (not otherwise been provided) and took it.
Yeah its a bit shit it's on a train. Ive seen and put up with much worse. But all this 'she's a woman' nonsense is a distraction, detrimental to equality and irrelevant to the issues at Charlton. She's not hiding behind gender yet so many of our fans seem desperate to use that as the first line of defense?
I think a CEO of any football club travelling on a train with fans after the week we have had, and the beating we have taken, is either brave, or daft.
I would like to applaud KM for engaging with the fella on the train, he was asking Q's that needed to be asked, yes he cut across her from time to time, but lets face it it wasn't question time, he had a beer or two, so he's not gonna be that eloquent. He certainly was not trying to intimidate her. I would also like to think that if the CEO had been a fella then the same Q's would have been asked, I would also suggest that the footage shown would have been a bit livelier.
That said and done, I really didn't think that KM really understood 90% of Charltons fans frustration with the current regime. If she did she certainly would not have got the train back.
I guess she understands what we think now.
Finally, I understand that it got livelier with a few of the more "knuckle dragging" elements of our support later on in the journey and if so they should be ashamed of themselves.
I can't see any good reason for it, and it probably winds up the neighbours.
Getting a bit off topic now, but really? You cannot imagine why Israel is in UEFA and think having them there is more inflammatory than their playing in qualifiers with Iraq, Iran and Syria?
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Katrien at one point was stood up over her seat red faced shouting at the guy, so she did give as good as she got. I did feel a bit sorry for her and tried to calm it down, she was saved by the fact that it was the fast train.
The only thing that pissed me off the most about the day was fans singing "We're going down", I mean come on... Why bother going.
Last time I spoke to Sydney he was slightly more concerned with coach travel though, at the FF.
I take the conclusion, that despite numerous attempts that the board have attempted to persuade KM to have a constructive dialogue, is perhaps the regard that she holds the trust in, or RD her boss does.?
She claims, that she wishes to speak to the fans,( as on the BBC) and yet except for the Fans Forum would rather indulge in this rather strange behaviour.
Of course she is free to talk to who she wishes, when she wishes, the question perhaps to ask is why ignore over a thousand trust members, but indulge in this type of behaviour in the aftermath of a very poor team performance when emotions are running high?. Is this really how she wishes to represent her views and the club.?
I would also question the effectiveness of the SLP, and the newshopper as an effective media platforms to reach the majority of CAFC fan's. By all means they should be part of the comms media contacts, but a more effective pathway might be to speak to the trust and the other supporter groups that are in existence, if she wishes to connect with the fan's.
Richard Murray has twice appeared at trust events, in the past year the Counting house an at the last trust AGM. I am sure that my fellow board members would have no hesitation in inviting RD or KM to such an event.
As the head of comms at CAFC, perhaps she should consider the idea herself?
More than happy to discuss it, and involve the other supporter groups, quite a few which are trust members .
If it happens shirty, perhaps we can let you ask the first question?
1) An attempt to demonstrate to the playing staff that Luzon was not predetermined by interviewing Damien Matthew.
2) KM believed she was running a process until Monday evening when RD advised her otherwise, leaving her hung out to dry by the statement just issued.
3) Attempt to achieve leverage over Luzon, perhaps over terms, by suggesting he wasn't the only candidate. For example, if he wanted money RD wouldn't pay.
4) Hamfisted attempt to stand up KM's position as set out in the Brighton programme.
5) Something to do with the work permit requirement, but comments above on this being unnecessary noted.
Sadly, and despite the efforts of individuals at the Shopper, which is much better than it used to be, there is no real competition to it now.
The media has changed, but I don't think the trust is a substitute for independent resourced journalists, imperfect as they may be. The trust's role is different.
Bit odd that there is only that one video, surely there is more footage?
a) they are cheap
b) they feel grateful to have been given a leg up and will do exactly what they are told through fear of blowing their big chance.
“he would be exempt from the resident labour market test (no need for Charlton to have advertised the position to attract candidates who already have the right to work in the UK) assuming he is earning in excess of £3k per week”
Which is partly why I said “a perceived need to meet the requirements of a work permit” i.e. that someone (possibly KM ) believed it was necessary to go through an apparent 'selection' process – hence the announcement on Monday afternoon of a “Search under way for new Charlton Head Coach” which then abruptly ended less than 12 hours later (possibly at Duchatelet's insistence) “late [Monday] evening [when] it became clear that Guy was the favourite".
The alternative would seem to be that it was a ham-fisted attempt to convince fans that a recruitment process was under way which has then spectacularly misfired and, in my view, left the club in a worse position than if it had simply appointed Luzon straight away. As I've said, they could have announced on Monday that they needed to act quickly to replace Peeters (due to the club's league position, the transfer window etc), and that Luzon was immediately available and (in their view) had a good record etc. That would have attracted some adverse reaction from fans but not as much I think as has happened as a result of the 'recruitment' charade – hopes raised and then dashed and a widespread view that we were deceived and probably lied to.
If KM was responsible for either of these possible misjudgements then it might explain why she appeared so flustered at the press conference on Wednesday and why she seems to have been hung out to dry by Duchatelet to sort the mess out on her own?
funny that the muppet shouting "Belgian Cu¬75" never made it onto any footage too.
Having questioned her last week, I must say from the video that she is a person who clearly gives a shit about the current state of affairs.
Lets hope the players give a shit up at Wolves too.
I'll be there. COYR.
Not sure how I would have reacted to be honest - incredulity probably
Do you really think KM would have more than 1% input into the selection of the new coach or the process to make that selection? At the press conference she used the word 'search' and everyone takes the absolute literal meaning of that word to infer that Charlton were going to embark on an exhaustive headhunt and selection process worthy of a multi national conglomerate. When the appointment is made only hours after the press conference, making it quite clear that this 'search' did not take place, everyone labels her a liar. Rediculous. She knew that RD was consulting his football advisors about the new appointment and used the term 'search' to describe those consultations. Remember she is speaking in a foreign language - maybe a better term would have been 'we are looking to make an appointment soon'.
On the appointment itself I am much happier about it then the appointment of Peeters. I had heard of neither before but Peeters's record had nothing that could justify his appointment. This new guy seems to have a decent record, if very short, in the Belgium top division.
Not always a formality.
grant had to satisfy the authorities when working at West ham and Chelsea too.
RD should consider hiring a female 'Head Coach'. That way all the white knights will be too desperate to defend her honor to consider defending the club.
Really cringe.
If people don't agree with what happened on the train, then that's absolutely fine to say that. However don't patronise an intelligent (and accomplished) adult by making this about her gender. That's pretty embarrassing for everyone involved.
Unfortunately, that's what these threads are reading like at the moment.
Yeah its a bit shit it's on a train. Ive seen and put up with much worse. But all this 'she's a woman' nonsense is a distraction, detrimental to equality and irrelevant to the issues at Charlton. She's not hiding behind gender yet so many of our fans seem desperate to use that as the first line of defense?
But god forbid it makes you uncomfortable.
I would like to applaud KM for engaging with the fella on the train, he was asking Q's that needed to be asked, yes he cut across her from time to time, but lets face it it wasn't question time, he had a beer or two, so he's not gonna be that eloquent. He certainly was not trying to intimidate her.
I would also like to think that if the CEO had been a fella then the same Q's would have been asked, I would also suggest that the footage shown would have been a bit livelier.
That said and done, I really didn't think that KM really understood 90% of Charltons fans frustration with the current regime. If she did she certainly would not have got the train back.
I guess she understands what we think now.
Finally, I understand that it got livelier with a few of the more "knuckle dragging" elements of our support later on in the journey and if so they should be ashamed of themselves.
Israel are part of UFEA, so should he need one to work in football?
If it was the Eurovision, he be straight in.