No bottle in these big derby games. Never looked like scoring. Not good enough Powell. So annoyed, they were there for the taking. Will post a detailed view tomorrow.
I thought Joe Pigott's day was reliably foreshadowed by his cameo at Watford so I did not think starting him would work, but I can see why Chris did so and I'm certain that if he hadn't started that would be the main criticism on here now.
We are asking way too much of him too soon, but he didn't hide and that showed character. I suspect CP took him off as soon as he felt he could without damaging his confidence further.
I always felt that the outcome of this match would be determined by Yann limping off last week and nothing that happened has changed that view.
The squad isn't good enough without YK, but Powell is still the man most likely to keep us up. We need to stand our ground behind him.
As for the crowd, it was always going to be what it was, as I said when the TV announcement was made, except that this time Millwall didn't sell out.
Regarding the attendance. What in your opinion explains the fact that in 2009 in the Third Division with a competitive but rather flaky Parky team,and on a freezing cold shopping Saturday before Christmas, we got 21,000, and today, with Millwall bringing much the same, it was 30% less?
Regarding the attendance. What in your opinion explains the fact that in 2009 in the Third Division with a competitive but rather flaky Parky team,and on a freezing cold shopping Saturday before Christmas, we got 21,000, and today, with Millwall bringing much the same, it was 30% less?
I reckon: Higher prices This match was on tv Early kick off Haven't played for a while The way we were treated last year Both being near the top of the league
Just a small thought for those not thinking about coming back on that performance / wanting a refund.
I know £30 isnt much but at the end of the day it could be the difference between Powell being able to add players to the squad to improve performances like today and erm not being able to which means we could see many more days like today.
Small actions could end up being a massive impact... Just a thought!!
We didn't play well and it's an embarassment that since 2010 we've played four competitive games against them and not scored a single goal.
We were terribly slow in possession from back to front and made Millwall's job of closing us down far far too easy. The amount of times we had to pass back to Hamer or hoof it as a result seemed countless. The hoofing wouldn't be so terrible if we had a lump up front to challenge aerially.
Jackson was a passenger.
Going to avoid CL (as well as forget about CAFC) for a couple of days I think, for my own sanity.
As the alcohol kicks in and the pain should be numbing, I find it isn't.
I disagreed earlier with a poster who said most of the players were "not trying". And I stand by that; no professional footballer goes on to the field and deliberately omits to try.
But the more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that there were too many players who , while "putting in the effort", had no ambition that extended beyond merely 'doing a job' and not making too many mistakes.
What I mean by that is not that I want players to take unececcsary risks. But it does require some leadership, a few players who are prepared to take the game by the scruff of its ugly neck and stamp their authority upon it.
I guess it's a confidence thing, but I didn't see that anywhere on the field today. I think Stephens has the skill to do it and was the closest we came, but he was still a long, long way off it (and I know even that damning with faint praise will be controversial among those who loathe his every touch).
It would even be an advance if we could aspire to be be "inconsistent" (ie bad one week, decent the next). The sad truth is that at the moment we are consistently poor...
Thing is I know people say there's only so much a manager can do but if you watch your team hopelessly thumping the ball upfield then when you get to HT or even on the touchline then orders should be to keep the ball. It's honestly beginning to look like that's powells tactics. I can't defend today from players or management. Complete dog shit.
Yep, agree with most of that.
Millwall would have watched the last two or three games, set up in a 4-2-3-1 to nullify the extra man in central midfield, worked at getting behind the ball, blocked up the central areas and waited for a break. Simples. We weren't good enough individually or collectively to overcome a simple game plan.
We tried to play from the back, had no space to play through midfield and descended into tippy tappy nonsense Inside our own half. Barcelona we ain't. I particularly enjoyed the way we run down the clock in the one minute added time at the end of the first half, 10 passes sideways, backwards and back to where we had started from. So we didn't change the line up at half-time and then decided that playing like Stoke was the way to beat two centre halfs who headed the ball away all day long. Unbelievable.
Let's face it, we'd play 4-4-2 if we had the central midfielders capable of doing a job. We are playing 5-3-2 cos we need the extra man in the central areas. Hughes came in and did the job in the closing weeks of last season. Jackson, Stephens, Pritchard & Gower are all unreliable. Is it time to trust Cousins in there or is it unfair to ask a youngster to take on that responsibility? We still need an experienced Central Mid, which will allow us to play 4-4-2. If CP doesn't sort out the engine room once and for all, he will eventually pay the price. We are too easy to play against.
Was very disappointed about the whole day... Match, crowd, and the supposedly mighty millwall..... The whole thing was a bit of a let down to be honest. Just my opinion.
Can anyone point out what Hamer did today to warrant some of the negative comments of him? I accept his kicking at times was poor but he did absolutely nothing wrong in terms of catching the ball or shot stopping.
We all have our favourite players and therefore justify their inadequacies when they muck up and highlight their strengths when they play well. Pritchard is the case in point. When he runs back the length of the pitch to make a saving tackle a la Leicester then his supporters rightly praise his fitness and tenacity. When he plays a shocking pass like today then his doubters highlight his technical deficiencies.
Personally he brings enough to a fairly slow and pondering midfield to justify a place in my opinion. He was poor today but has proved himself before.
For the record I though Church was decent today and Wood looked good at the back.
Hamer is a touch too arrogant for my liking. His distribution was often without care and he is becoming a liability. Shot stopper goalkeepers are two a penny. To be a good GK you need an all round game and I think Hamer is too cocky to learn at the moment. Needs dropping and a dose of humility.
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We are asking way too much of him too soon, but he didn't hide and that showed character. I suspect CP took him off as soon as he felt he could without damaging his confidence further.
I always felt that the outcome of this match would be determined by Yann limping off last week and nothing that happened has changed that view.
The squad isn't good enough without YK, but Powell is still the man most likely to keep us up. We need to stand our ground behind him.
As for the crowd, it was always going to be what it was, as I said when the TV announcement was made, except that this time Millwall didn't sell out.
Regarding the attendance. What in your opinion explains the fact that in 2009 in the Third Division with a competitive but rather flaky Parky team,and on a freezing cold shopping Saturday before Christmas, we got 21,000, and today, with Millwall bringing much the same, it was 30% less?
Higher prices
This match was on tv
Early kick off
Haven't played for a while
The way we were treated last year
Both being near the top of the league
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Anybody know if either of our owners were present ?
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Don't have a clue. I bloody wish I hadn't bothered.
I know £30 isnt much but at the end of the day it could be the difference between Powell being able to add players to the squad to improve performances like today and erm not being able to which means we could see many more days like today.
Small actions could end up being a massive impact... Just a thought!!
We were terribly slow in possession from back to front and made Millwall's job of closing us down far far too easy. The amount of times we had to pass back to Hamer or hoof it as a result seemed countless. The hoofing wouldn't be so terrible if we had a lump up front to challenge aerially.
Jackson was a passenger.
Going to avoid CL (as well as forget about CAFC) for a couple of days I think, for my own sanity.
I disagreed earlier with a poster who said most of the players were "not trying". And I stand by that; no professional footballer goes on to the field and deliberately omits to try.
But the more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that there were too many players who , while "putting in the effort", had no ambition that extended beyond merely 'doing a job' and not making too many mistakes.
What I mean by that is not that I want players to take unececcsary risks. But it does require some leadership, a few players who are prepared to take the game by the scruff of its ugly neck and stamp their authority upon it.
I guess it's a confidence thing, but I didn't see that anywhere on the field today. I think Stephens has the skill to do it and was the closest we came, but he was still a long, long way off it (and I know even that damning with faint praise will be controversial among those who loathe his every touch).
It would even be an advance if we could aspire to be be "inconsistent" (ie bad one week, decent the next). The sad truth is that at the moment we are consistently poor...
Millwall would have watched the last two or three games, set up in a 4-2-3-1 to nullify the extra man in central midfield, worked at getting behind the ball, blocked up the central areas and waited for a break. Simples. We weren't good enough individually or collectively to overcome a simple game plan.
We tried to play from the back, had no space to play through midfield and descended into tippy tappy nonsense Inside our own half. Barcelona we ain't. I particularly enjoyed the way we run down the clock in the one minute added time at the end of the first half, 10 passes sideways, backwards and back to where we had started from.
So we didn't change the line up at half-time and then decided that playing like Stoke was the way to beat two centre halfs who headed the ball away all day long.
Unbelievable.
Let's face it, we'd play 4-4-2 if we had the central midfielders capable of doing a job. We are playing 5-3-2 cos we need the extra man in the central areas. Hughes came in and did the job in the closing weeks of last season. Jackson, Stephens, Pritchard & Gower are all unreliable. Is it time to trust Cousins in there or is it unfair to ask a youngster to take on that responsibility? We still need an experienced Central Mid, which will allow us to play 4-4-2. If CP doesn't sort out the engine room once and for all, he will eventually pay the price. We are too easy to play against.
We all have our favourite players and therefore justify their inadequacies when they muck up and highlight their strengths when they play well. Pritchard is the case in point. When he runs back the length of the pitch to make a saving tackle a la Leicester then his supporters rightly praise his fitness and tenacity. When he plays a shocking pass like today then his doubters highlight his technical deficiencies.
Personally he brings enough to a fairly slow and pondering midfield to justify a place in my opinion. He was poor today but has proved himself before.
For the record I though Church was decent today and Wood looked good at the back.