Some people are blaming the pitch for our poor results.
Why do other teams still manage to play good football on it?
Because they haven't got OohAah posting on their forums? It's the perfect storm - a muddy pitch during the game and OohAah posting distressing statistical probabilities on the interenet.
another lack lustre show, I cannot understand playing Dervite just to protect the back four and whilst Stephens has his faults he is our only creative player. I agree with the comments about Wright-Phillips,with our dearth of strikers, why let him go and bring in loanees such as Obika? we were probably worth a point on saturday against a really average team, at home that is just not good enough. I really do not understand this Board splashing out last year to build a promotion winning squad but failing to invest to keep our hard earned Championship status, with our support surely middle of the Championship table should be a minimum requirement. In reality we will be lucky to survive and if we do the squad will need major surgery to stay up next year.
Last week I came away angry, this week I came away sad. We are watching a badly coached squad with a tactically inept manager. For the last 10 minutes our only plan was to pump it high into their box, while our best hope of making anything of that is suspended. It was more like 'Its a Knockout' than a game of football. Pity that Stuart Hall is otherwise engaged, he would have given us a wonferful commentary.
That's the really sad thing. CP seems to have abandoned his free flowing, attacking, good football philosophy. In much the same way that Curbs changed the style of play when Parker departed, Powell did a similar thing with the arrival of Kermy and the departure of Paul Hayes. That's not a criticism of Kermy who I think is a terrific player. But since his arrival we have relied increasingly on his aerial prowess to the distraction of good passing football on the ground. Even when we were winning games last season, we were mostly relying on nicking a goal and then holding on. Ironically Kermy is equally as good on the ground but we rarely see that due to the absence of a nippy, intelligent forward partner to feed off him and the lack of wingers. Too late to change things this season now, but CP seriously needs to think about the entertainment aspect that ultimately puts bums on seats for next season.
Exactly there's no reason to continually hoof balls up to Kerm, he's got good control & a good football brain. Now the pitch resembles southend "beach" perhaps it's a bit different but it's not been that way all season.
NEGATIVE CROWDS DO GET TEAMS RELEGATED. Willie Duff.I thought only women or gay men said things like "how dare you etc."you managed it twice in one post .well done .Are you a woman or a gay man?
NEGATIVE CROWDS DO GET TEAMS RELEGATED. Willie Duff.I thought only women or gay men said things like "how dare you etc."you managed it twice in one post .well done .Are you a woman or a gay man?
Now that, I would say, is a very derogatory comment.
We need three wins and we will be safe - I expect us to exceed this rather than only achieve it. I would hope we get to the point of safety sooner rather than later to allow a bit of experimentation with players and tactics. Quite a few teams struggle at home in this league to lesser/greater degrees and it might be worth looking at them and the teams that do well at home and see what the common factors might be.
As for people losing faith in the manager - well a few were questioning him - including myself a little- after his first season - he showed he has a real ability to identify what is needed and a ruthless streak and a good eye for a player to boot. I feel, it is his over cautiousness that has cost us points this season, but he has put together a team that can compete against anybody and we are not far off. We ought to be looking forwards to seeing what he does in the Summer. Of course a more worrying factor should be whether the club's finanaces will allow him to make the changes he needs to.
NEGATIVE CROWDS DO GET TEAMS RELEGATED. Willie Duff.I thought only women or gay men said things like "how dare you etc."you managed it twice in one post .well done .Are you a woman or a gay man?
I think even in the face of complete dross to which we have as yet not decended we should maintain a hope that things can get better because the facts are clear; this is the squad we have until the end of the season. As member of the 12th man factor in each and every game I shall be loudly cheering on the team and singing (often alone in the east) believing that even in the closing moments of a crap game we can get a goal or two.
don't undertand all this 'hostility from the crowd' rubbish. There isn't any. If the 'hostility' at The Valley affects them then how would they feel at other clubs. The hostility at The Valley amounts to a smattering of deserved boos and an old guy in the West discarding his blanket in a fit of pique. I'd say that 99 per cent of the crowd are desperate for CP to succeed but are beginning to doubt because of selection, formation and bizarre substitutions. And I don't think you can blame them. Unless you are lucky enough to take in a few away games then you have walked away from The Valley about twice this season happy with what you have seen on the pitch. And now you are being asked to pay a big increase to watch the same rubbish next season. And nothing suggests it will be different. We have no money but the heirachy want us in the PL in to seasons. Without significant investment it won't happen. And if they end up spending money we have not got chasing the dream who knows where we will end up. People are disillusioned that's all but there is no hostility towards CP or the team in my opinion.
I still think however that IF money becomes available it won't be CP who sees he benefit of it. The lower we finish the easier it will be for them to dispose of CP and if it happens in the summer then they would hope that by the beginning of the season any hostility towards the Board would have dissipated especially if they appoint someone we are impressed with and invest significantly in the team. That's assuming that they care what we think in the first place.
Excellent post.
If people want to think of hostility at the Valley then Pardews last match, Reeds League Cup Quarter-final v Wycombe and much of Parkies reign.
Wheresmeticket.You are quite right it is anxiety which is the root of the negativity which in turn hinders the team. If your friend or child or work colleague has a difficult task to deal with and they fail you dont shout abuse at them [or at least you shouldnt] you should encourage them or if you dont have the strength of character to do the right thing and be supportive then leave them alone and let the mature supportive people help them next time. Shouting abuse[or booing ]is a waste of energy and has no positive result in any situation in life including football [unless of course you are shouting abuse at the opposition in which case hopefully it will upset them enough to make them play badly].
Henry said it earlier in the thread, but Powell plays a defensive formation at home and makes late subs: tactically naive. Powell plays an attacking formation and makes early subs: tactically naive. When are people going to realise that we are a bottom half Championship team with bottom half Championship players? We will lose more than we win, we will drop points where we shouldn't, we will lose matches we should have won on merit, and we will occasionally pop up and beat a team that should have battered us. The lack of courage on here is astonishing. Considering where we were last season and the lack of scope for recruitment in the summer I still don't think it would be a disastrous season if we went down. Unfortunate yes, and I'd be miserable, but it wouldn't be a total failure based on what and where we are. It would just suck. It certainly wouldn't be a reason to sack the manager, especially one who so recently brought us success.
The willingness to turn on the team and the staff is quite terrifying really. I have a friend I used to bring to home matches. He's fairly new to football and was trying to get into it. The problem is every time we didn't win (he went to home games, it was a lot) he'd moan that we hadn't won. Like they owed it to him, as if you only go to football to see a team win and if they don't win they've utterly failed to meet their requirements as entertainers, like actors stopping before the end of a rendition of Macbeth or forgetting their lines. He couldn't understand it as a competition with ups and downs that aren't always related directly to effort or tactics or team selection. To his un-footballing brain there was a magic 'win' formula and not winning meant you just weren't mixing it right; there was no excuse for a team turning up on their pitch and not winning. I don't take him anymore. It seems he's not the only one thinking that way though. It surprises me, but then again there were several on here soiling themselves last season when we went a little bit into our 8000 point cushion at the top of League One. Powell was too naive to see us over the line and win us the league! (spoiler: we won the league).
Powell is not above criticism, nor is he perfect, but this rising wave of 'sack the manager' because we've dared to hit some poor form in a new league and are sitting above the relegation zone is pitiful. We support a little team. This is what will happen. Back them.
I've just watched the highlights as I was not at this game and I have to say we looked unlucky. It seems we had more than enough chances to get a goal, just did not fall to us. At least we are creating chances. Im looking forward to Hudds away. Third season in a row....third time lucky I hope.
Henry said it earlier in the thread, but Powell plays a defensive formation at home and makes late subs: tactically naive. Powell plays an attacking formation and makes early subs: tactically naive. When are people going to realise that we are a bottom half Championship team with bottom half Championship players? We will lose more than we win, we will drop points where we shouldn't, we will lose matches we should have won on merit, and we will occasionally pop up and beat a team that should have battered us. The lack of courage on here is astonishing. Considering where we were last season and the lack of scope for recruitment in the summer I still don't think it would be a disastrous season if we went down. Unfortunate yes, and I'd be miserable, but it wouldn't be a total failure based on what and where we are. It would just suck. It certainly wouldn't be a reason to sack the manager, especially one who so recently brought us success.
The willingness to turn on the team and the staff is quite terrifying really. I have a friend I used to bring to home matches. He's fairly new to football and was trying to get into it. The problem is every time we didn't win (he went to home games, it was a lot) he'd moan that we hadn't won. Like they owed it to him, as if you only go to football to see a team win and if they don't win they've utterly failed to meet their requirements as entertainers, like actors stopping before the end of a rendition of Macbeth or forgetting their lines. He couldn't understand it as a competition with ups and downs that aren't always related directly to effort or tactics or team selection. To his un-footballing brain there was a magic 'win' formula and not winning meant you just weren't mixing it right; there was no excuse for a team turning up on their pitch and not winning. I don't take him anymore. It seems he's not the only one thinking that way though. It surprises me, but then again there were several on here soiling themselves last season when we went a little bit into our 8000 point cushion at the top of League One. Powell was too naive to see us over the line and win us the league! (spoiler: we won the league).
Powell is not above criticism, nor is he perfect, but this rising wave of 'sack the manager' because we've dared to hit some poor form in a new league and are sitting above the relegation zone is pitiful. We support a little team. This is what will happen. Back them.
1) It will be disastrous if we go down. We could go into receivership.
2) Your friend was correct. Nobody want's to watch crap football every week. Only the die hards will remain and it will be impossible to increase the supporter base.
3) We are not a "little team". No more "little" than Wigan, Reading, Norwich or Southampton.
Powell is not above criticism, nor is he perfect, but this rising wave of 'sack the manager' because we've dared to hit some poor form in a new league and are sitting above the relegation zone is pitiful.
but where has anyone actually said 'sack Powell' ? All I can see is criticism, mostly justified.
Chris might still be a saint (at least to me) but even saints can't work miracles every week.
Anyone who was at the last two home games cannot ague with the fact that we are playing complete rubbish but you can never fault the commitment and organisation of the team which is what we are relying on at the moment.
Pick any Charlton midfield you like and we are still much inferior (technically) to at least 3/4 of the opposition in this league.
Having good old moan is one thing but even considering a change of manager is insane.
Who else would get Charlton to mid table with the resources he has available.
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Willie Duff.I thought only women or gay men said things like "how dare you etc."you managed it twice in one post .well done .Are you a woman or a gay man?
As for people losing faith in the manager - well a few were questioning him - including myself a little- after his first season - he showed he has a real ability to identify what is needed and a ruthless streak and a good eye for a player to boot. I feel, it is his over cautiousness that has cost us points this season, but he has put together a team that can compete against anybody and we are not far off. We ought to be looking forwards to seeing what he does in the Summer. Of course a more worrying factor should be whether the club's finanaces will allow him to make the changes he needs to.
Would be a bad bad move for us to lose him now.
If people want to think of hostility at the Valley then Pardews last match, Reeds League Cup Quarter-final v Wycombe and much of Parkies reign.
If your friend or child or work colleague has a difficult task to deal with and they fail you dont shout abuse at them [or at least you shouldnt] you should encourage them or if you dont have the strength of character to do the right thing and be supportive then leave them alone and let the mature supportive people help them next time.
Shouting abuse[or booing ]is a waste of energy and has no positive result in any situation in life including football [unless of course you are shouting abuse at the opposition in which case hopefully it will upset them enough to make them play badly].
The willingness to turn on the team and the staff is quite terrifying really. I have a friend I used to bring to home matches. He's fairly new to football and was trying to get into it. The problem is every time we didn't win (he went to home games, it was a lot) he'd moan that we hadn't won. Like they owed it to him, as if you only go to football to see a team win and if they don't win they've utterly failed to meet their requirements as entertainers, like actors stopping before the end of a rendition of Macbeth or forgetting their lines. He couldn't understand it as a competition with ups and downs that aren't always related directly to effort or tactics or team selection. To his un-footballing brain there was a magic 'win' formula and not winning meant you just weren't mixing it right; there was no excuse for a team turning up on their pitch and not winning. I don't take him anymore. It seems he's not the only one thinking that way though. It surprises me, but then again there were several on here soiling themselves last season when we went a little bit into our 8000 point cushion at the top of League One. Powell was too naive to see us over the line and win us the league! (spoiler: we won the league).
Powell is not above criticism, nor is he perfect, but this rising wave of 'sack the manager' because we've dared to hit some poor form in a new league and are sitting above the relegation zone is pitiful. We support a little team. This is what will happen. Back them.
2) Your friend was correct. Nobody want's to watch crap football every week. Only the die hards will remain and it will be impossible to increase the supporter base.
3) We are not a "little team". No more "little" than Wigan, Reading, Norwich or Southampton.
Chris might still be a saint (at least to me) but even saints can't work miracles every week.
Anyone who was at the last two home games cannot ague with the fact that we are playing complete rubbish but you can never fault the commitment and organisation of the team which is what we are relying on at the moment.
Pick any Charlton midfield you like and we are still much inferior (technically) to at least 3/4 of the opposition in this league.
Having good old moan is one thing but even considering a change of manager is insane.
Who else would get Charlton to mid table with the resources he has available.
That really is a bloody miracle.