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Championship expectations
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The foundations of the club are more sound now.We we're promoted despite Duchatalet.I know he still has horrible little duct taped shoes in background but we are pulling in one direction. This promotion feels different. I fully expect us to consolidate our place in the championship and Jones to have us challenging for the prem in a couple of years. I can't give Jones enough credit.He has galvanised the squad and now the fan base. The old " Charlton Spirit" is back. Look at that support we got at Wembley.Onwards and upwards!4
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I love being the underdog, I won't be depressed when we lose against the likes of Leicester compared to some shit heap like Stevenage as my expectations are so low. Just looking forward to making a day of all the games and ticking off some new grounds.twiggyaddick said:
Saw this, and then the algorithm of YouTube recommended about 10 early predictions videos that had us to finish bottom 3....Braziliance said:
https://youtu.be/fmh0OpTqbQw?si=iSQB3Wakgx7BBYGJ
These two seem to think we can stay up, kind words. Nathan Jones being the factor as per.
Kind of like being the underdog again let's see what they think come August.
Beats the hell out of another league 1 tour.3 -
Good thing these prediction videos mean oogatz anyway.
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One of the greatest ever tv show characters!Braziliance said:Good thing these prediction videos mean oogatz anyway.
’Howsabout I fuck off all over you face’1 -
Sam Parkin looks a bit different these days. Interesting clip that, talked a lot of sense.0
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I think we will finish 18th, and to be honest I’ll be bloody happy with that.Consolidate next season and survive, then make a push for top half the year after.I’d love to do an Ipswich but that sort of thing doesn’t happen often, though I do think Birmingham will push on and do well.
Buzzing for the season and upcoming window!4 -
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Expectation is you shouldn’t expect much job security in the Championship0
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Also speculation that Mckenna could go to Brentford presuming Thomas Frank is going to Spurs.4
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Before the Dane Murphy appointment I was feeling positive about our chances of relative safety by spring under the guidance of NJ (with perhaps a couple of poor runs in the winter that scare us along the way).After the new CEO appointment - in combination with the previous appointments of Jones, Abbott and recently Chapple, I think things are looking very bright indeed.
I am genuinely excited by the structure being built behind the scenes - it’s not oil money riches like some fans dream but it feels sensible, it feels like Charlton.We could be in for a fun couple of years. Premier League and club ownership of the Valley by 2030 anyone?19 -
Not if they have clauses in their contract regarding relegation.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Not so sure about Ipswich. There must come a time where there has to be some ‘payback’ for all the money spent getting them from L1 to the PL. that parachute money might look a bit too tempting to those that had to fund successive promotions, especially when there will be the Delap money they can to point to for earmarking for new players and wages, plus anyone they do get won’t come in cheap be the rest of the squad will be on PL wages alreadyChris_from_Sidcup said:On top of that you have a club like Ipswich who as well as parachute payments, have also just sold Delap for 30m. So even if they bank the parachute payment and just spend the Delap money, they've probably got 10 times our transfer budget just from that 1 sale. This just shows you what we're up against.0 -
Callumcafc said:Before the Dane Murphy appointment I was feeling positive about our chances of relative safety by spring under the guidance of NJ (with perhaps a couple of poor runs in the winter that scare us along the way).After the new CEO appointment - in combination with the previous appointments of Jones, Abbott and recently Chapple, I think things are looking very bright indeed.
I am genuinely excited by the structure being built behind the scenes - it’s not oil money riches like some fans dream but it feels sensible, it feels like Charlton.We could be in for a fun couple of years. Premier League and club ownership of the Valley by 2030 anyone?I would be more than happy to settle for a competitive Championship team and The Valley in club ownership. In fact I would have that over winning The Premier League in a insecure rented stadium.The Valley - my only desire.9 -
Really good read from NTT20 on how last years teams adapted their style to survive in the championship. As you can see in the headline, we are not in a position where we need to adapt the style much, we are already playing in a similar way that Pompey, Oxford and Derby all eventually landed on to make sure they stayed up
Also some interesting stats on the league’s relegation rates and average points/positions for newly promoted teams.Full article is here but I think you have to be a paid subscriber unless there is some kind of free trial https://substack.com/@ntt20/note/p-166222205?r=28hlgt&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action5 -
Reading now but one thing early on stands out - - Leeds spent £18m on agent fees. Madness.
Fortunately that’s not normal, most clubs pay £1-3m to agents.
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Just looking forward to Wrexham day really. The rest is just noise.7
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How on earth did they spend that much on agent fees when looking online they only spent 30m on actual transfer fees? They spent more on agent fees than 12 PL clubs.Scoham said:Reading now but one thing early on stands out - - Leeds spent £18m on agent fees. Madness.
Fortunately that’s not normal, most clubs pay £1-3m to agents.0 -
Maybe they gave new contracts to a load of their players. Ridiculous sum either wayChris_from_Sidcup said:
How on earth did they spend that much on agent fees when looking online they only spent 30m on actual transfer fees? They spent more on agent fees than 12 PL clubs.Scoham said:Reading now but one thing early on stands out - - Leeds spent £18m on agent fees. Madness.
Fortunately that’s not normal, most clubs pay £1-3m to agents.0 -
Looks dodgy to meJac_52 said:
Maybe they gave new contracts to a load of their players. Ridiculous sum either wayChris_from_Sidcup said:
How on earth did they spend that much on agent fees when looking online they only spent 30m on actual transfer fees? They spent more on agent fees than 12 PL clubs.Scoham said:Reading now but one thing early on stands out - - Leeds spent £18m on agent fees. Madness.
Fortunately that’s not normal, most clubs pay £1-3m to agents.4 -
Millwall are a good club with a good team, but just as Crystal Palace are stuck with their awful ground, Millwall are stuck with so many awful fans.
Millwall don’t care, and the pathetic effort of the manufactured Crystal Palace support suggests they care desperately.0 -
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Rank Club Squad Value (€m) 1 Burnley 259.3 2 Leeds United 215.5 3 Sheffield United 123.9 4 Luton Town 116.0 5 Sunderland 88.2 6 Norwich City 76.9 7 Hull City 69.7 8 Coventry City 67.7 9 Middlesbrough 58.9 10 Watford 56.7 11 West Bromwich Albion 52.0 12 Blackburn Rovers 50.8 13 Swansea City 45.6 14 Bristol City 44.2 15 Cardiff City 39.6 16 Stoke City 39.4 17 Preston North End 38.3 18 Queens Park Rangers 31.9 19 Plymouth Argyle 31.5 20 Millwall 29.4 21 Sheffield Wednesday 16.2 22 Derby County 12.7 23 Portsmouth 12.6 24 Oxford United 8.8 We are likely to be down the bottom based on squad value - I'd be happy just to stay up 1 -
That graphic doesn't include their first game which was a 3 3 draw away at Leeds. The fixture computer dealt Pompey a terrible hand and that's why I'm so keen we start with something like Oxford (h), Pompey (a), PNE (h). We have to play everyone twice so I'm in no rush for any glamour.The Prince-e-Paul said:
After that dreadful start and the crushing Stoke result, it's amazing he stayed in post. The noise from the fans towards owners must surely have applied a lot of pressure. Fair play to them for sticking with.JamAddick said:
This was Portsmouth’s start to the season just gone. Stuck with the manager and ended up securing survival before the final day of the season. All about keeping the faith and sticking with the manager/team
Our own owners now know that it can get tough, but as out season has just shown, an upturn can be just around the corner. Something that will hopefully keep them and Jones in good harmony.
Staying up is the goal. Only a brave fan (or one who is happy to lose) will put money on us staying up this season coming.0 -
Corrected that for youChris_from_Sidcup said:brownbear said:I'd be amazed if Southampton win the league this year coming. One of the worst ever PL sides, and Ipswich and Leicester both doubled their points total, so its a bit perplexing to see how they would reverse that this coming season. Looking at their squad, it looks very thin on quality.
I'd be very surprised if all 3 relegated clubs aren't in the running for promotion. They all have decent squads (which is why they were promoted in 23-24), are likely to keep most of their players, and they also have a £40m head start on the other 21 clubs because of parachute trampoline payments.0 -
Obviously it’s still very early but at present Charlton are a Championship club with a League One squad. In fact I’d go as far as suggesting that we’re still miles off having a Championship squad. Encouraged that we’re looking at players like Galbraith but looking and signing are two completely different things. I’d say we need another six at least players that are guaranteed to cut it at Championship level. Next seasons tough and at present, just in my opinion looking like a relegation cert. That will change but we can only judge by what we have now. I’d settle for survival.9
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It would be if he were a stereotype Millwall fan but he isn't.AndyG said:
Never a truer word been said mate. And its fucking annoying lolMillwallFan said:
People ask why I post on here, and I always reply, because you get the best Millwall analysis on Charlton life 😂Woodwork said:
I expect Millwall to be in and around the play-offs if the club invests some of the Flemming & Esse money wisely. Long-term, I think the club are in great hands & with this new 999 lease & opportunity to develop their own plans, will cement their current standing as a decent Championship club chasing the dream. And there seems to be a big push with the academy, which is why they tried Edwards. But have settled on Neil, who is a happy half way house between solid Championship manager & a good coach at developing young players. Also the recruitment is good, and they seemed to have started the cycle of buying rough diamonds & selling them on for a big profit.jimmymelrose said:So, Woodwork, what are your expectations for Millwall next season and long term?
Also, assuming that you actually do attend Millwall matches and so have seen the opposition, what predictions do you have for the league in general?
And what is your fair appraisal of Charlton’s chances?
Btw, have you read 'Turf Wars', an excellent read about London clubs’ rivalries and histories?In general, the ‘proper’ yo-yo relegated PL teams look a cut above these days. I say proper, as don’t count Luton in that category. Leeds & Burnley looked very good, although Millwall did beat both at The Den. That was under Harris. Which brings me onto Charlton. Jones will no doubt go down a similar path to the one Harris did, ie not have much of the ball & try and nick wins. Can be effective against the flasher teams, but can also be found out & negated too, hence why he resigned. Goals may be very hard to come with the current squad. Reckon Ipswich & Southampton will be similar to Leeds & Burnley, in that they will be a bit of a cut above. The rest of the division will be highly competitive. Can see teams getting relegated on 49-52 points, with no one cut adrift. Maybe Wednesday, if they can’t sort themselves out. And the play-offs being a low bar again, of c70 points.Yes, I have had read it. Very good. Football books I recommend are most of Micheal Calvin’s, as well as Tor! Tor! Tor!
This thread is to discuss the Championship in order to assess our level within it, and therefore to ascertain our expectations.
Who better to ask than a football fan who's been watching Championship football for several years?2 -
I think expectations of just surviving are quite low. NJ has said he isn't here just to survive, and I don't believe the ownership and board are either.1
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Well we all hope that’s true but to make an impact other than survive is quite a statement. The names I’m seeing mentioned as possible signings don’t make me think top half is doable. In any case they would say that wouldn’t they.fenlandaddick said:I think expectations of just surviving are quite low. NJ has said he isn't here just to survive, and I don't believe the ownership and board are either.1 -
I think this season should be one of consolidation, I think there are several sides such as Oxford, Portsmouth, QPR, Sheffield Wednesday, Hull etc that we must be looking to finish above. I haven't seen loads of predictions for us to go down which warms my heart. I think the Jones factor and a packed Valley will help us too and much also depends on the quality of our recruitment.
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I feel our seasons success is going to be more reliant on the loan signings we get in, rather than the permanent signings we make1
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ShootersHillGuru said:
Well we all hope that’s true but to make an impact other than survive is quite a statement. The names I’m seeing mentioned as possible signings don’t make me think top half is doable. In any case they would say that wouldn’t they.fenlandaddick said:I think expectations of just surviving are quite low. NJ has said he isn't here just to survive, and I don't believe the ownership and board are either.
It was true last season. 😉0
