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Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
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Which has happened on the last two promotions. Powell managed to cope for a year when the money dried up. Bowyer did a fantastic job with what he had. Hopefully Jones doesn’t have to deal with such nonsense this time round.Covered_End_Lad said:
I agree, I think our Championship squad last time was actually worse than the League one squad we went up with last time - we lost Aribo, Bielik, Bauer etc and replaced with worse. Taylor being out injured for so long didnt help at all.MummysLittleSoldier said:My overriding memory of the Champ squad last time out was that it was pretty shit and yet we were within a minute of survival. Some names that racked up 10+ appearances:
Josh Davison, George Lapslie, Erhun Oztumer, Jake Forster-Caskey
20+ appearances:
Albie Morgan, Deji Oshilaja, Macauley Bonne
And they are just the highlighted players that I think are generally considered amongst fans to be L1 at the very very best. Some other players who Charlton Life seem to debate for eternity just how good they where who also racked up 10+ Championship appearances:
Jason Pearce, Ben Purrington, Adam Matthews, Jonny Williams, Jonathan Leko.
I know the Champ this year is 'stronger' but the point is, that squad when you read through the list is particularly crap and once you take out Cullen, Gallagher, Taylor (sorry) it becomes laughably bad. Spirit, momentum, good management will carry you pretty far.
Our squad RIGHT NOW is probably better equipped for the League than the names who were actually with us for the start of the 2019 season in my opinion, even if the 2019 Wembley side was potentially better than 2025. We had so many kids and pretty bang average L1 players.
There are a lot of transfers to be made but decent loans and a couple of Champ experience players and I think we should be positive to survive, which can be the only expectation
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I don’t think we wanted to win it.MillwallFan said:
You’re only jealous because Charlton have never won itDOUCHER said:
It’s major for millwall and rothmans, nobody elseWoodwork said:
Millwall won the Football League Trophy in 1983, when top flight clubs entered it. So Rothman’s count it as a ‘major trophy’. Therefore pipping the mighty O’s!DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.0 -
I think you mean “violence“.BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind1 -
Survival.
In 2012 I thought it was the beginning to bigger things!
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I might be on my own here but I'm optimistic. Great manager, supportive & wealthy businessmen owners, strong backroom team, key players on long contracts. I think they will be looking to strengthen again and push for top half minimum.4
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Any better words to describe Millwall?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind0 -
I was being polite.AddicksAddict said:
I think you mean “violence“.BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
They do not know how to behave as a club - massive anger issues.0 -
Depends. Is this an actual question or just an angry rant?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.2 -
Woodwork said:
Depends. Is this an actual question or just an angry rant?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.Of course Millwall have a history - as does everything that happened before NOW! Too late that's history now.You paint a picture of 'giant killers' which is fine - but if history is your measure then Charlton are a bigger club and that is irrefutable. You can be selective of course and 'recent' history paints a different picture but over the total history of both clubs then we come out on top. But I accept that neither are 'giants' of the game.2 - Sponsored links:
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No one was comparing the two clubs historically or otherwise. I just pointed out why Millwall cannot be considered ‘insignificant’ in terms of English football history. They are the only club in England to be bestowed a nickname by outsiders (the Victorian national press) based on actual footballing endeavour (as outlined). That’s a great feather in their cap, and without Charlton tinted glasses on, most would agree. And it isn’t me painting the picture, Millwall are recognised as the official best giant killers in the FA Cup.bobmunro said:Woodwork said:
Depends. Is this an actual question or just an angry rant?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.Of course Millwall have a history - as does everything that happened before NOW! Too late that's history now.You paint a picture of 'giant killers' which is fine - but if history is your measure then Charlton are a bigger club and that is irrefutable. You can be selective of course and 'recent' history paints a different picture but over the total history of both clubs then we come out on top. But I accept that neither are 'giants' of the game.As for your last point, well quite. Both clubs have spent the majority of their history playing second tier football.0 -
8 paragraphs, but they ‘don’t care’.Woodwork said:
Depends. Is this an actual question or just an angry rant?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.2 -
They didn’t write it tbf.Uboat said:
8 paragraphs, but they ‘don’t care’.Woodwork said:
Depends. Is this an actual question or just an angry rant?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.0 -
Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Not what i'd class as mid-table. Just missing out on the play offs would be an amazing season. Personally i think you're wildly overestimating us, those places would've put us above the likes of Norwich, Sheff Weds, QPR this season.fenlandaddick said:I think we will finish mid table around 7th to 10th. I'll know around 10 games in if we have brought in enough quality to achieve this.NJ teams are always strong in the second half of the season.
Portsmouth were the highest of the promoted clubs this year, 16th with 54 points. I'd be happy with that but let's see.
Always a chance, Luton is proof of this. 😀 And they do not have our infrastructure.0 -
Woodwork said:
No one was comparing the two clubs historically or otherwise. I just pointed out why Millwall cannot be considered ‘insignificant’ in terms of English football history. They are the only club in England to be bestowed a nickname by outsiders (the Victorian national press) based on actual footballing endeavour (as outlined). That’s a great feather in their cap, and without Charlton tinted glasses on, most would agree. And it isn’t me painting the picture, Millwall are recognised as the official best giant killers in the FA Cup.bobmunro said:Woodwork said:
Depends. Is this an actual question or just an angry rant?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.Of course Millwall have a history - as does everything that happened before NOW! Too late that's history now.You paint a picture of 'giant killers' which is fine - but if history is your measure then Charlton are a bigger club and that is irrefutable. You can be selective of course and 'recent' history paints a different picture but over the total history of both clubs then we come out on top. But I accept that neither are 'giants' of the game.As for your last point, well quite. Both clubs have spent the majority of their history playing second tier football.
Must be nice to have a nickname - I'm sure Millwall have more than one! Ours? I quite like 'trainspotters' - endearing really, especially if you like trains as much as we do and can't understand why others see it as somewhat strange. Charlton are the only team ever to have lost an earlier round game but then reached the FA Cup final. I'm assuming one of our nicknames after that was 'lucky bastards'. We lost in that final however, but won it the following year
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No one was comparing the two clubs historically or otherwise. I just pointed out why Millwall cannot be considered ‘insignificant’ in terms of English football history. They are the only club in England to be bestowed a nickname by outsiders (the Victorian national press) based on actual footballing endeavour (as outlined). That’s a great feather in their cap, and without Charlton tinted glasses on, most would agree. And it isn’t me painting the picture, Millwall are recognised as the official best giant killers in the FA Cup.bobmunro said:Woodwork said:
Depends. Is this an actual question or just an angry rant?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.Of course Millwall have a history - as does everything that happened before NOW! Too late that's history now.You paint a picture of 'giant killers' which is fine - but if history is your measure then Charlton are a bigger club and that is irrefutable. You can be selective of course and 'recent' history paints a different picture but over the total history of both clubs then we come out on top. But I accept that neither are 'giants' of the game.As for your last point, well quite. Both clubs have spent the majority of their history playing second tier football.
Must be nice to have a nickname - I'm sure Millwall have more than one! Ours? I quite like 'trainspotters' - endearing really, especially if you like trains as much as we do and can't understand why others see it as somewhat strange. Charlton are the only team ever to have lost an earlier round game but then reached the FA Cup final. I'm assuming one of our nicknames after that was 'lucky bastards'. We lost in that final however, but won it the following yearBob, I know my Charlton history mate! That’s the whole point.0 -
No. Roland does.fenlandaddick said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Not what i'd class as mid-table. Just missing out on the play offs would be an amazing season. Personally i think you're wildly overestimating us, those places would've put us above the likes of Norwich, Sheff Weds, QPR this season.fenlandaddick said:I think we will finish mid table around 7th to 10th. I'll know around 10 games in if we have brought in enough quality to achieve this.NJ teams are always strong in the second half of the season.
Portsmouth were the highest of the promoted clubs this year, 16th with 54 points. I'd be happy with that but let's see.
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The fact that we got within about 60 seconds of staying up six years ago with a team that had James Vennings, Ben Dempsey, Josh Davison and Macauley Bonne as first team regulars goes to show that a wage bill, while one possible indicator, is only one among many.
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In a post final interview it was put to Jones that the club is Championship ready ... but not necessarily the team.
Jones replied we need an influx of quality, mix it with what we already have and make some really tough decisions. Although tremendously proud of the group, I get the feeling that Jones knows there is little room for sentiment. He has to be focused on the job ahead and I think he is. I seem to recall Carter previously mentioning that 'appropriate' money will be made available for the Championship, should we get there.
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Difference is that was a poor championship in terms of quality. You look at the teams near the bottom now Stoke and Preston being given a completely new rebuild. 3 promoted teams from last year have got themselves very good managers. QPR Wednesday and Hull are the only clubs with any sort of troubling issues behind the scenesCallumcafc said:The fact that we got within about 60 seconds of staying up six years ago with a team that had James Vennings, Ben Dempsey, Josh Davison and Macauley Bonne as first team regulars goes to show that a wage bill, while one possible indicator, is only one among many.
I will be stunned if we end up in a similar position next season. Nathan Jones is the right man to build teams that are more than the sum of their parts.0 - Sponsored links:
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Phil Chapple surely came back to Charlton because he has been given a remit for not 15 new players but hopefully findong 6 players of quality that are Championship ready to hopefully start or be very involved as game changers in the new experience for CAFC of having 20 players who can potentially impact a game.2
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soapboxsam said:Phil Chapple surely came back to Charlton because he has been given a remit for not 15 new players but hopefully findong 6 players of quality that are Championship ready to hopefully start or be very involved as game changers in the new experience for CAFC of having 20 players who can potentially impact a game.
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Could also look at it, that Plymouth got very close to staying up themselves last season, despite having Wayne Rooney as their Manager for a good portion - The Championship is the hardest League in the world, because its the most competitive... anyone can beat anyone... that wont ever changeCrispywood said:
Difference is that was a poor championship in terms of quality. You look at the teams near the bottom now Stoke and Preston being given a completely new rebuild. 3 promoted teams from last year have got themselves very good managers. QPR Wednesday and Hull are the only clubs with any sort of troubling issues behind the scenesCallumcafc said:The fact that we got within about 60 seconds of staying up six years ago with a team that had James Vennings, Ben Dempsey, Josh Davison and Macauley Bonne as first team regulars goes to show that a wage bill, while one possible indicator, is only one among many.
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Agree with the general assumption that the standard will be very high next season in the Championship and we will struggle. However the clubs outlined for the drop-Oxford/Portsmouth/Hull/QPR/ourselves , I just wonder that the relegated Prem teams may also be in there, sure they have money but particularly Ipswich and Southampton have had a very demoralising season in the Prem and also may have difficulty moving on some highly paid and underperforming players.
If we add a bad start to that and they may be in that same (historical)boat as we faced and Sunderland and the slide to L1?0 -
I have a really good feeling that we will continue to build this next season, i did have a little tickle on top 6 (i know Charlton rose tinted spectacles) but in reality i would be very happy with mid table and build again the following season. You can see where Callum gets his optimism from...0
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I think Luton was an anomaly. Can’t see any of the teams coming down being anywhere near the bottom 3 again. Unless Leicester get a really bad points deductionKingKinsella said:Agree with the general assumption that the standard will be very high next season in the Championship and we will struggle. However the clubs outlined for the drop-Oxford/Portsmouth/Hull/QPR/ourselves , I just wonder that the relegated Prem teams may also be in there, sure they have money but particularly Ipswich and Southampton have had a very demoralising season in the Prem and also may have difficulty moving on some highly paid and underperforming players.
If we add a bad start to that and they may be in that same (historical)boat as we faced and Sunderland and the slide to L1?
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After that dreadful start and the crushing Stoke result, it's amazing he stayed in post. The noise from the fans towards owners must surely have applied a lot of pressure. Fair play to them for sticking with.JamAddick said:
This was Portsmouth’s start to the season just gone. Stuck with the manager and ended up securing survival before the final day of the season. All about keeping the faith and sticking with the manager/team
Our own owners now know that it can get tough, but as out season has just shown, an upturn can be just around the corner. Something that will hopefully keep them and Jones in good harmony.
Staying up is the goal. Only a brave fan (or one who is happy to lose) will put money on us staying up this season coming.0 -
Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....0
