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Millwall won the Football League Trophy in 1983, when top flight clubs entered it. So Rothman’s count it as a ‘major trophy’. Therefore pipping the mighty O’s!DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.1 -
Tbf to me, I only ever comment when they are brought up!!! And as our closest geographical rivals, I think it’s a fair enough topic on a football forum 🤷🏻♂️arny23394 said:
You do know you don’t have to talk about Millwall in every single comment you make on here?Woodwork said:
That is how the football gods work. Millwall have an excellent record in all their London derbies, including v West Ham, Palace and even Chelsea and Arsenal. They are also the official best giant killers in FA Cup history & one of the best historical home teams in the country. Yet to balance that out, they’ve only played two seasons of top flight football & been runners-up in FA Cup.oohaahmortimer said:
They care and it will hurt them sooooo much when the footballing gods level it all up and we win 30 on the bounce against em
or maybe we just keep winning every play off final we get to forever to level up losing to the scumCharlton’s price for a FA Cup win & play-off record in finals is being crap in derbies & cups overall.NB: It is mad to think that even if we did win 30 in a row against them, we’d only just overtake them in head to head record.
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I remember the Lincoln and Northampton games. Let’s not get blinded by an excellent end to season achievement wise. Playing in that way will see us ripped a new one by likes of Watford and Norwich. Not the top Champ teams, but full of pace and guile.NabySarr said:A lot will depend on the business we do, but I think a lot of people will predict us to stay up comfortably because we have Nathan Jones. The style we play translates well to the championship, if we can get our business right I think we can be well clear of the bottom 3. Pompey, Derby and Oxford all stayed up this year and I actually think we are in a better place than all 3 were last summer to tackle the championship. I do think home form will be vital, I can see us being really difficult to beat at The Valley even against the parachute teams0 -
It's looking ahead to the TV money for next seasonStu_of_Kunming said:
I assume it's because they were on TV more?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Does this mean that Norwich and Watford are in a bit of a pickle due to their parachute payments ending? That's a 20m hit to their revenue straight away. Watford's wage bill to turnover % is very low though.RedPanda said:Stolen from Reddit - an early look at our wage bill and incomes compared to other clubs' finance reports.
Also why do Wrexham get 8m tv money but other clubs only 7m?0 -
Like all head to heads the only result that counts is the next one, the rest are always history.Woodwork said:
That is how the football gods work. Millwall have an excellent record in all their London derbies, including v West Ham, Palace and even Chelsea and Arsenal. They are also the official best giant killers in FA Cup history & one of the best historical home teams in the country. Yet to balance that out, they’ve only played two seasons of top flight football & been runners-up in FA Cup.oohaahmortimer said:They care and it will hurt them sooooo much when the footballing gods level it all up and we win 30 on the bounce against em
or maybe we just keep winning every play off final we get to forever to level up losing to the scumCharlton’s price for a FA Cup win & play-off record in finals is being crap in derbies & cups overall.NB: It is mad to think that even if we did win 30 in a row against them, we’d only just overtake them in head to head record.0 -
There are no 24-25 finance figures released yet, so the figures in the chart are (i assume) from the 23-24 season when Sheff Utd were a PL club.Jints said:
Yes. Why does Shef Utd have twice the TV revenue of anyone else and why does Ipswich have no parachute?BalladMan said:
And Birmingham no additional tv money.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Does this mean that Norwich and Watford are in a bit of a pickle due to their parachute payments ending? That's a 20m hit to their revenue straight away. Watford's wage bill to turnover % is very low though.RedPanda said:Stolen from Reddit - an early look at our wage bill and incomes compared to other clubs' finance reports.
Also why do Wrexham get 8m tv money but other clubs only 7m?I question the data in this chart.
Likewise the reason Birmingham don't have +7m champ tv money in their column is because the figures are from 23-24 when they were in the Championship.
That's why it also has tv money added for Derby, Pompey and Oxford, because the figures are when they were in league one.0 -
This is exactly my point, those games like Lincoln and Northampton where we have more of the ball do not suit us. We are a better team without the ball than with itWoodwork said:
I remember the Lincoln and Northampton games. Let’s not get blinded by an excellent end to season achievement wise. Playing in that way will see us ripped a new one by likes of Watford and Norwich. Not the top Champ teams, but full of pace and guile.NabySarr said:A lot will depend on the business we do, but I think a lot of people will predict us to stay up comfortably because we have Nathan Jones. The style we play translates well to the championship, if we can get our business right I think we can be well clear of the bottom 3. Pompey, Derby and Oxford all stayed up this year and I actually think we are in a better place than all 3 were last summer to tackle the championship. I do think home form will be vital, I can see us being really difficult to beat at The Valley even against the parachute teams
Look at a collection of our best performances of the season where we beat good teams, here are our possession numbers:
Bolton home 36%
Birmingham home 36%
Wycombe home 36%
Bolton away 39%
Huddersfield home 43%
Wycombe away 43%
Pretty clear trend there that we suit having less of the ball. Even some of those games where we were at our best going forward we still had way less than half of the possession. Of course we need to bring in better players so that we can compete the level up, but the style definitely translate well to the level above3 -
Oh really? Not if this season is anything to go by we won't. We'll know after 46.fenlandaddick said:Slowly sinking in now, I'm looking forward to a higher standard of football. Going to some fantastic grounds. Making it to more games over the season.I want us to finish mid table, but I think Jones might have other ideas. We will know 10 games in how things will pan out. The best part is the thought of bigger crowds at The Valley. The place was rocking at the end of the season, more of that would be brilliant.
If people decide to book holidays for play off dates before half way through the season if we're bottom half, they shouldn't come on here bleating about missing out expecting any sympathy should we be involved.
Football not that predictable. I've learnt that from experience.2 -
i think the home games will be where we need to get points.
make it tough to come to, some really passionate grounds in this league, where they do get big numbers.
the gulf between the 2 leagues is ridiculous.2 -
Ah, but I was coming from the pov that Jones says he wants front foot attacking football. We looked poor when we had to attack.NabySarr said:
This is exactly my point, those games like Lincoln and Northampton where we have more of the ball do not suit us. We are a better team without the ball than with itWoodwork said:
I remember the Lincoln and Northampton games. Let’s not get blinded by an excellent end to season achievement wise. Playing in that way will see us ripped a new one by likes of Watford and Norwich. Not the top Champ teams, but full of pace and guile.NabySarr said:A lot will depend on the business we do, but I think a lot of people will predict us to stay up comfortably because we have Nathan Jones. The style we play translates well to the championship, if we can get our business right I think we can be well clear of the bottom 3. Pompey, Derby and Oxford all stayed up this year and I actually think we are in a better place than all 3 were last summer to tackle the championship. I do think home form will be vital, I can see us being really difficult to beat at The Valley even against the parachute teams
Look at a collection of our best performances of the season where we beat good teams, here are our possession numbers:
Bolton home 36%
Birmingham home 36%
Wycombe home 36%
Bolton away 39%
Huddersfield home 43%
Wycombe away 43%
Pretty clear trend there that we suit having less of the ball. Even some of those games where we were at our best going forward we still had way less than half of the possession. Of course we need to bring in better players so that we can compete the level up, but the style definitely translate well to the level aboveI get what you are saying, but I think my point about likes of Norwich having pace & guile is a valid one… sitting back the whole game against these sorts of sides is going to ask a lot of our defence. You’d also wonder, other than set-pieces, how we will score.0 - Sponsored links:
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Since Wycombe were relegated in 20/21 the L1 play off winners have done ok in the Championship the following season:
21/22 Blackpool 16th
22/23 Sunderland 6th
23/24 Sheff Weds 20th
24/25 Oxford 17th1 -
We'll finish 11th1
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We'll finish 1st1
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Problem getting promoted ahead of schedule is overspending trying to stay there end up putting the future of the club in trouble if we went back down … it’s a difficult one for the owners but seeing then celebrating just like the supporters was excellent and the comments coming out the club really showed how much they love the club …. Fingers crossed we can stay up but it will be our biggest achievement in our history …letthegoodtimesroll said:It’s all down to the owners…double down, back Nathan and have a pretty good chance of being in the same place as we were at 12.55 today, or not double down and repeat what Roland experienced3 -
Play-offs?! Shall I start the thread now thenBensonFC said:So, now we're up. What would you expecting us to do next season? Looking for promotion? playoffs? Top half? Avoid relegation? Personally, I would be happy with anything above 15th or so. As long as we aren't in a relegation scrap during the last few games.0 -
It’s major for millwall and rothmans, nobody elseWoodwork said:
Millwall won the Football League Trophy in 1983, when top flight clubs entered it. So Rothman’s count it as a ‘major trophy’. Therefore pipping the mighty O’s!DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.0 -
You’re only jealous because Charlton have never won itDOUCHER said:
It’s major for millwall and rothmans, nobody elseWoodwork said:
Millwall won the Football League Trophy in 1983, when top flight clubs entered it. So Rothman’s count it as a ‘major trophy’. Therefore pipping the mighty O’s!DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.5 -
No, but we won this: https://that1980ssportsblog.blogspot.com/2018/11/1988-guinness-soccer-sixes.html?m=1MillwallFan said:
You’re only jealous because Charlton have never won itDOUCHER said:
It’s major for millwall and rothmans, nobody elseWoodwork said:
Millwall won the Football League Trophy in 1983, when top flight clubs entered it. So Rothman’s count it as a ‘major trophy’. Therefore pipping the mighty O’s!DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.5 -
At the 5th time of asking. Some schedule that must've been.RonnieMoore said:
Problem getting promoted ahead of schedule is overspending trying to stay there end up putting the future of the club in trouble if we went back down … it’s a difficult one for the owners but seeing then celebrating just like the supporters was excellent and the comments coming out the club really showed how much they love the club …. Fingers crossed we can stay up but it will be our biggest achievement in our history …letthegoodtimesroll said:It’s all down to the owners…double down, back Nathan and have a pretty good chance of being in the same place as we were at 12.55 today, or not double down and repeat what Roland experienced2 - Sponsored links:
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Absolutely nobody counts it as a major trophy.Woodwork said:
Millwall won the Football League Trophy in 1983, when top flight clubs entered it. So Rothman’s count it as a ‘major trophy’. Therefore pipping the mighty O’s!DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Having just looked it up, there wasn't a single big club that entered it.
The 4 semi-finalists were Millwall, Reading, Lincoln (all in the old division 3 at the time) and Chester (division 4). One of the semi finals had an attendance of 1.058, and the attendance for the final was 3,142.3 -
Encouraged by Jones saying we’re not there to make up the numbers but he would say that wouldn’t he. Realistically for me I’d take survival first and foremost and anything much better a real bonus. Cherry on cake would be at least four points from Millwall. I’m sure Jones knows how difficult it’s going to be to survive let alone push on and I hope the owners do too.6
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Division One Runners-Up, Watford played in it, mate.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Absolutely nobody counts it as a major trophy.Woodwork said:
Millwall won the Football League Trophy in 1983, when top flight clubs entered it. So Rothman’s count it as a ‘major trophy’. Therefore pipping the mighty O’s!DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Having just looked it up, there wasn't a single big club that entered it.
The 4 semi-finalists were Millwall, Reading, Lincoln (all in the old division 3 at the time) and Chester (division 4). One of the semi finals had an attendance of 1.058, and the attendance for the final was 3,142.Should have had a European place tbf.1 -
WoooshChris_from_Sidcup said:
Absolutely nobody counts it as a major trophy.Woodwork said:
Millwall won the Football League Trophy in 1983, when top flight clubs entered it. So Rothman’s count it as a ‘major trophy’. Therefore pipping the mighty O’s!DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Having just looked it up, there wasn't a single big club that entered it.
The 4 semi-finalists were Millwall, Reading, Lincoln (all in the old division 3 at the time) and Chester (division 4). One of the semi finals had an attendance of 1.058, and the attendance for the final was 3,142.3 -
I’d bite your hand off at 4th bottom right now.
over the course of our history, I think our average position is mid table in the 2nd division (now Championship).
for me 4th bottom would be an achievement because football has changed so much over the last 30 years since the mid 90s when we were last a stable championship/div 2 team. The money sloshing about now is obscene, and given the fact we’ve had 11 seasons in league one since 2009, we’re not a big club in that division anymore, despite history showing it’s where we belong (on average).
the 19/20 season was harsh. Duchatelet had given up and Bowyer and Gallen had to rely on getting fortunate with the likes of Cullen rejoining and a coup in Gallagher signing on loan, but ultimately the team/squad just didn’t have enough. There were mitigating circumstances, Lyle Taylor getting injured for a chunk of the season didn’t help as he was out talisman, and then of course his decision not to come back post Covid. Losing Gallagher was a blow, and it also came at a time when Taylor was out, so all of a sudden, Bowyer is naming youngsters and we had a lot of damaging results, conceding stupid last minute goals as well.But, there were some decent performances that season. We started very well, the momentum of the playoff final. The draws at WBA/Fulham away, and then when Taylor came back from injury just before Covid, a draw at home to Fulham and win at Forest
We almost did it but ultimately fell short, and I expect nothing different this season.You’ve also got to look at the dynamic of the division. Ipswich and Soton coming down from the Prem. Wrexham and Brum with their stupid money. Sheff Utd. There are going to be some big teams, with much better players than us playing quicker football than we’re used to. Even the teams that aren’t big spenders, have recent experience of being in the Prem, Swansea, Stoke, MBoro, Blackburn (at a push). They may not have been prem clubs for a while, but their fanbases remember, and will likely be as agitated as were at being in the championship for a while now
their expectations may have been tempered some what, but these are all teams that are more established in the champ than us. Even getting points of these will be tough
we don’t know how the summer will pan out, but looking at it now, I’d say we’re potentially fighting with Oxford, Pompey, Sheff Wed, and a few others to stay out that bottom three. That’s all I want personally9 -
I only disagree with the above in that Stoke and Swansea are on a slippery slope whereas as Sheffield Wednesday are building. I also think that Pompey and Oxford have momentum but definitely Hull and maybe Preston don’t.
There are many posters here expecting mid-table which for me is akin to asking a young (working class) fan what he wants for his birthday this summer and he replying ’I reckon I’ll get the season ticket to the executive box and lounge’ He’s hoping that there’s some big money tucked away somewhere that so far there’s been no evidence of. He should be considering that he lives in a small terraced house whilst most of his friends at his school live in a detached house with a new car on the drive.
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They did get a European place, played in the UEFA Cup.Woodwork said:
Division One Runners-Up, Watford played in it, mate.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Absolutely nobody counts it as a major trophy.Woodwork said:
Millwall won the Football League Trophy in 1983, when top flight clubs entered it. So Rothman’s count it as a ‘major trophy’. Therefore pipping the mighty O’s!DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Having just looked it up, there wasn't a single big club that entered it.
The 4 semi-finalists were Millwall, Reading, Lincoln (all in the old division 3 at the time) and Chester (division 4). One of the semi finals had an attendance of 1.058, and the attendance for the final was 3,142.Should have had a European place tbf.
But like i said, no big clubs played in it.0 -
Unlikely to happen but us v Millwall playoff final at Wembley. We don’t lose at Wembley. They don’t lose to us. Take a 0-0 and win on penalties.4
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Just don’t go down is all I’d say right now. Very important we pick points up at home and get off to an okay start. Make ourselves tough to beat9
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Honestly not sure I could handle that.Andyessgee90 said:Unlikely to happen but us v Millwall playoff final at Wembley. We don’t lose at Wembley. They don’t lose to us. Take a 0-0 and win on penalties.7
