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I think this is the £64 000 question.mendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....
None of us know but I would expect changes / development on our playing style. I think it will be telling what positions we strengthen with proven quality. My suspicion is that only one of Central Midfield, Wingers, or wing backs will be and that will highlight the plans for change0 -
I think it’s unlikely, Jones has favoured 3-5-2 a lot in his career and used it well with Luton in the championship. It’s worked for us and the players we have fit it wellmendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....2 -
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Definitely can’t see him changing formation but I definitely think we aren’t going to keep alternating systems on and off the ball with TC always drifting wide and our RWB whoever that may be playing as a winger on the ball. Think we’re going to be much more structured on and off the ball considering we’re likely to be the underdogs in most games and play much quicker through the 3rds and play a much more counter attacking stylemendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....0 -
If that is the case we need to bring in some pacey forwards as currently we have 1 in TC.Crispywood said:
Definitely can’t see him changing formation but I definitely think we aren’t going to keep alternating systems on and off the ball with TC always drifting wide and our RWB whoever that may be playing as a winger on the ball. Think we’re going to be much more structured on and off the ball considering we’re likely to be the underdogs in most games and play much quicker through the 3rds and play a much more counter attacking stylemendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....4 -
Ask most people what Millwall stands for and you will get a flavour - some of the negativity may be unjustified, but that is why Millwall is not generally seen in a good light. The reputation remains bad.Woodwork said:
Depends. Is this an actual question or just an angry rant?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
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Which isn’t an unfair point at all. I agree that 99.9% of people just see Millwall as a byword for hooliganism.BigDiddy said:
Ask most people what Millwall stands for and you will get a flavour - some of the negativity may be unjustified, but that is why Millwall is not generally seen in a good light. The reputation remains bad.Woodwork said:
Depends. Is this an actual question or just an angry rant?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
Only my viewMy point was, that they aren’t an irrelevant football club in terms of actual history. They literally pioneered professional football in London & the south, earning a nickname for their troubles. My related point is that most people don’t care about history & are therefore ignorant of it. This can be applied to so many things & so many superficial views, eg ‘the French are surrender monkeys’, ‘Africans are uncivilised savages’. Luckily, football is just a game & so Millwall can brush it off & sing they don’t care.2 -
Definitely need more pace, especially now Small has left. Counter attacking is going to be a lot more important for us in the championship. Sonny Carey carries the ball well which is good but definitely need some more pace in the frontlineSteven81 said:
If that is the case we need to bring in some pacey forwards as currently we have 1 in TC.Crispywood said:
Definitely can’t see him changing formation but I definitely think we aren’t going to keep alternating systems on and off the ball with TC always drifting wide and our RWB whoever that may be playing as a winger on the ball. Think we’re going to be much more structured on and off the ball considering we’re likely to be the underdogs in most games and play much quicker through the 3rds and play a much more counter attacking stylemendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....4 -
No football club is irrelevant in terms of history and no “club” is of itself a horrible club. Not even Millwall. It’s the fans and general persona that clubs have that makes them likeable or disliked by other clubs fans. I grew up in Greenwich and Charlton and know many lads that support Millwall and my wife’s family are all Millwall supporters. Do I dislike Millwall ? Absolutely with a passion. I detest their history of fan violence and mayhem which is bad enough on its own but made even more repugnant by the fact that large sections of their fan base revel in that reputation. They attract those fans that want to be associated with what that stands for. The first two results I look for a Charlton and Millwall and nothing pleases me more than Charlton winning and Millwall losing. I don’t like Crystal Palace for I think obvious reasons but they’re never in your puff our rivals and never have been. That’s Millwall. As a Charlton supporter my big hope for next season is that we get some decent points off them for a change. Our appalling record against them is another reason to dislike them and I live in hope.Woodwork said:
Which isn’t an unfair point at all. I agree that 99.9% of people just see Millwall as a byword for hooliganism.BigDiddy said:
Ask most people what Millwall stands for and you will get a flavour - some of the negativity may be unjustified, but that is why Millwall is not generally seen in a good light. The reputation remains bad.Woodwork said:
Depends. Is this an actual question or just an angry rant?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
Only my viewMy point was, that they aren’t an irrelevant football club in terms of actual history. They literally pioneered professional football in London & the south, earning a nickname for their troubles. My related point is that most people don’t care about history & are therefore ignorant of it. This can be applied to so many things & so many superficial views, eg ‘the French are surrender monkeys’, ‘Africans are uncivilised savages’. Luckily, football is just a game & so Millwall can brush it off & sing they don’t care.Edit: If you’re not a Millwall fan trying to take the piss then I’m the bastard son of Harry Cripps.4 -
I’m not trying to do anything. Honest.ShootersHillGuru said:
No football club is irrelevant in terms of history and no “club” is of itself a horrible club. Not even Millwall. It’s the fans and general persona that clubs have that makes them likeable or disliked by other clubs fans. I grew up in Greenwich and Charlton and know many lads that support Millwall and my wife’s family are all Millwall supporters. Do I dislike Millwall ? Absolutely with a passion. I detest their history of fan violence and mayhem which is bad enough on its own but made even more repugnant by the fact that large sections of their fan base revel in that reputation. They attract those fans that want to be associated with what that stands for. The first two results I look for a Charlton and Millwall and nothing pleases me more than Charlton winning and Millwall losing. I don’t like Crystal Palace for I think obvious reasons but they’re never in your puff our rivals and never have been. That’s Millwall. As a Charlton supporter my big hope for next season is that we get some decent points off them for a change. Our appalling record against them is another reason to dislike them and I live in hope.Woodwork said:
Which isn’t an unfair point at all. I agree that 99.9% of people just see Millwall as a byword for hooliganism.BigDiddy said:
Ask most people what Millwall stands for and you will get a flavour - some of the negativity may be unjustified, but that is why Millwall is not generally seen in a good light. The reputation remains bad.Woodwork said:
Depends. Is this an actual question or just an angry rant?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
Only my viewMy point was, that they aren’t an irrelevant football club in terms of actual history. They literally pioneered professional football in London & the south, earning a nickname for their troubles. My related point is that most people don’t care about history & are therefore ignorant of it. This can be applied to so many things & so many superficial views, eg ‘the French are surrender monkeys’, ‘Africans are uncivilised savages’. Luckily, football is just a game & so Millwall can brush it off & sing they don’t care.Edit: If you’re not a Millwall fan trying to take the piss then I’m the bastard son of Harry Cripps.My dad is genuinely a Charlton fan. Maybe my soft spot for Millwall is thanks to my granddad & nan. As they were far better role models for me & the rocks in my life. As is my uncle.I have no interest in winding anyone up or trolling. None. And I am happy to be told to fuck off if I am.2 -
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So, Woodwork, what are your expectations for Millwall next season and long term?
Also, assuming that you actually do attend Millwall matches and so have seen the opposition, what predictions do you have for the league in general?
And what is your fair appraisal of Charlton’s chances?
Btw, have you read 'Turf Wars', an excellent read about London clubs’ rivalries and histories?2 -
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I think you're alright.Woodwork said:
I’m not trying to do anything. Honest.ShootersHillGuru said:
No football club is irrelevant in terms of history and no “club” is of itself a horrible club. Not even Millwall. It’s the fans and general persona that clubs have that makes them likeable or disliked by other clubs fans. I grew up in Greenwich and Charlton and know many lads that support Millwall and my wife’s family are all Millwall supporters. Do I dislike Millwall ? Absolutely with a passion. I detest their history of fan violence and mayhem which is bad enough on its own but made even more repugnant by the fact that large sections of their fan base revel in that reputation. They attract those fans that want to be associated with what that stands for. The first two results I look for a Charlton and Millwall and nothing pleases me more than Charlton winning and Millwall losing. I don’t like Crystal Palace for I think obvious reasons but they’re never in your puff our rivals and never have been. That’s Millwall. As a Charlton supporter my big hope for next season is that we get some decent points off them for a change. Our appalling record against them is another reason to dislike them and I live in hope.Woodwork said:
Which isn’t an unfair point at all. I agree that 99.9% of people just see Millwall as a byword for hooliganism.BigDiddy said:
Ask most people what Millwall stands for and you will get a flavour - some of the negativity may be unjustified, but that is why Millwall is not generally seen in a good light. The reputation remains bad.Woodwork said:
Depends. Is this an actual question or just an angry rant?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
Only my viewMy point was, that they aren’t an irrelevant football club in terms of actual history. They literally pioneered professional football in London & the south, earning a nickname for their troubles. My related point is that most people don’t care about history & are therefore ignorant of it. This can be applied to so many things & so many superficial views, eg ‘the French are surrender monkeys’, ‘Africans are uncivilised savages’. Luckily, football is just a game & so Millwall can brush it off & sing they don’t care.Edit: If you’re not a Millwall fan trying to take the piss then I’m the bastard son of Harry Cripps.My dad is genuinely a Charlton fan. Maybe my soft spot for Millwall is thanks to my granddad & nan. As they were far better role models for me & the rocks in my life. As is my uncle.I have no interest in winding anyone up or trolling. None. And I am happy to be told to fuck off if I am.2 -
Is that Millwall guy still at it?0
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Annoying isn’t it !!!Siv_in_Norfolk said:Is that Millwall guy still at it?0 -
We don’t actually need pace, we need end product. Small’s pace was more of a threat that stretched the opposition defence but usually had no end product.NabySarr said:
Definitely need more pace, especially now Small has left. Counter attacking is going to be a lot more important for us in the championship. Sonny Carey carries the ball well which is good but definitely need some more pace in the frontlineSteven81 said:
If that is the case we need to bring in some pacey forwards as currently we have 1 in TC.Crispywood said:
Definitely can’t see him changing formation but I definitely think we aren’t going to keep alternating systems on and off the ball with TC always drifting wide and our RWB whoever that may be playing as a winger on the ball. Think we’re going to be much more structured on and off the ball considering we’re likely to be the underdogs in most games and play much quicker through the 3rds and play a much more counter attacking stylemendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....0 -
We definitely do need pace, if not then we are 1 injury to TC away from being very very easy to defend against. Hopefully we find some with end product as well but Small will be a huge miss if his pace isn’t replacedletthegoodtimesroll said:
We don’t actually need pace, we need end product. Small’s pace was more of a threat that stretched the opposition defence but usually had no end product.NabySarr said:
Definitely need more pace, especially now Small has left. Counter attacking is going to be a lot more important for us in the championship. Sonny Carey carries the ball well which is good but definitely need some more pace in the frontlineSteven81 said:
If that is the case we need to bring in some pacey forwards as currently we have 1 in TC.Crispywood said:
Definitely can’t see him changing formation but I definitely think we aren’t going to keep alternating systems on and off the ball with TC always drifting wide and our RWB whoever that may be playing as a winger on the ball. Think we’re going to be much more structured on and off the ball considering we’re likely to be the underdogs in most games and play much quicker through the 3rds and play a much more counter attacking stylemendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....5 -
If you’re talking about final ball or cross then maybe but Thierry beating his man and cutting inside pulled the left sided centre back out and caused all sorts of trouble in the opposition defence. He’ll be missed.letthegoodtimesroll said:
We don’t actually need pace, we need end product. Small’s pace was more of a threat that stretched the opposition defence but usually had no end product.NabySarr said:
Definitely need more pace, especially now Small has left. Counter attacking is going to be a lot more important for us in the championship. Sonny Carey carries the ball well which is good but definitely need some more pace in the frontlineSteven81 said:
If that is the case we need to bring in some pacey forwards as currently we have 1 in TC.Crispywood said:
Definitely can’t see him changing formation but I definitely think we aren’t going to keep alternating systems on and off the ball with TC always drifting wide and our RWB whoever that may be playing as a winger on the ball. Think we’re going to be much more structured on and off the ball considering we’re likely to be the underdogs in most games and play much quicker through the 3rds and play a much more counter attacking stylemendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....4 -
Disagree, slow teams are too easy to defend against. Quick players help you up the tempo and create space for others, even if their end product is unreliable.letthegoodtimesroll said:
We don’t actually need pace, we need end product. Small’s pace was more of a threat that stretched the opposition defence but usually had no end product.NabySarr said:
Definitely need more pace, especially now Small has left. Counter attacking is going to be a lot more important for us in the championship. Sonny Carey carries the ball well which is good but definitely need some more pace in the frontlineSteven81 said:
If that is the case we need to bring in some pacey forwards as currently we have 1 in TC.Crispywood said:
Definitely can’t see him changing formation but I definitely think we aren’t going to keep alternating systems on and off the ball with TC always drifting wide and our RWB whoever that may be playing as a winger on the ball. Think we’re going to be much more structured on and off the ball considering we’re likely to be the underdogs in most games and play much quicker through the 3rds and play a much more counter attacking stylemendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....6 -
What odds on him finding his end product when we play them ?1
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I don’t think you’re winding anybody up any more because we’ve all rumbled what you are so it’s just amusing now tbh - my grandad this, my old aunt gaud bless her - did they have purly king and queen hats as well ? Have u got one ? Cos if u know your history - not a single major trophy - even Wimbledon have one - goodnight nurse 😂😂😂Woodwork said:
I’m not trying to do anything. Honest.ShootersHillGuru said:
No football club is irrelevant in terms of history and no “club” is of itself a horrible club. Not even Millwall. It’s the fans and general persona that clubs have that makes them likeable or disliked by other clubs fans. I grew up in Greenwich and Charlton and know many lads that support Millwall and my wife’s family are all Millwall supporters. Do I dislike Millwall ? Absolutely with a passion. I detest their history of fan violence and mayhem which is bad enough on its own but made even more repugnant by the fact that large sections of their fan base revel in that reputation. They attract those fans that want to be associated with what that stands for. The first two results I look for a Charlton and Millwall and nothing pleases me more than Charlton winning and Millwall losing. I don’t like Crystal Palace for I think obvious reasons but they’re never in your puff our rivals and never have been. That’s Millwall. As a Charlton supporter my big hope for next season is that we get some decent points off them for a change. Our appalling record against them is another reason to dislike them and I live in hope.Woodwork said:
Which isn’t an unfair point at all. I agree that 99.9% of people just see Millwall as a byword for hooliganism.BigDiddy said:
Ask most people what Millwall stands for and you will get a flavour - some of the negativity may be unjustified, but that is why Millwall is not generally seen in a good light. The reputation remains bad.Woodwork said:
Depends. Is this an actual question or just an angry rant?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
Only my viewMy point was, that they aren’t an irrelevant football club in terms of actual history. They literally pioneered professional football in London & the south, earning a nickname for their troubles. My related point is that most people don’t care about history & are therefore ignorant of it. This can be applied to so many things & so many superficial views, eg ‘the French are surrender monkeys’, ‘Africans are uncivilised savages’. Luckily, football is just a game & so Millwall can brush it off & sing they don’t care.Edit: If you’re not a Millwall fan trying to take the piss then I’m the bastard son of Harry Cripps.My dad is genuinely a Charlton fan. Maybe my soft spot for Millwall is thanks to my granddad & nan. As they were far better role models for me & the rocks in my life. As is my uncle.I have no interest in winding anyone up or trolling. None. And I am happy to be told to fuck off if I am.0 -
Think that super computer needs to be scanned for virusesScoham said:8 -
Not really sure.
One thing I have come to learn, the scars of Southampton burn bright with Jones. And I am absolutely certain he is on a mission with every bone in his body to prove the nay sayers wrong.
Could be a good ride.3 -
Maybe, but it’s going to take much more than that to stay up next seasoncarly burn said:Not really sure.
One thing I have come to learn, the scars of Southampton burn bright with Jones. And I am absolutely certain he is on a mission with every bone in his body to prove the nay sayers wrong.
Could be a good ride.0 -
We need 6-7 new players but if Oxford and Pompey can do it , with a bit of luck and good recruitment , we can.se9addick said:
Maybe, but it’s going to take much more than that to stay up next seasoncarly burn said:Not really sure.
One thing I have come to learn, the scars of Southampton burn bright with Jones. And I am absolutely certain he is on a mission with every bone in his body to prove the nay sayers wrong.
Could be a good ride.2 -
Here we go again. You just can't help yourself can you, even after you've been found out on here.Woodwork said:
I’m not trying to do anything. Honest.ShootersHillGuru said:
No football club is irrelevant in terms of history and no “club” is of itself a horrible club. Not even Millwall. It’s the fans and general persona that clubs have that makes them likeable or disliked by other clubs fans. I grew up in Greenwich and Charlton and know many lads that support Millwall and my wife’s family are all Millwall supporters. Do I dislike Millwall ? Absolutely with a passion. I detest their history of fan violence and mayhem which is bad enough on its own but made even more repugnant by the fact that large sections of their fan base revel in that reputation. They attract those fans that want to be associated with what that stands for. The first two results I look for a Charlton and Millwall and nothing pleases me more than Charlton winning and Millwall losing. I don’t like Crystal Palace for I think obvious reasons but they’re never in your puff our rivals and never have been. That’s Millwall. As a Charlton supporter my big hope for next season is that we get some decent points off them for a change. Our appalling record against them is another reason to dislike them and I live in hope.Woodwork said:
Which isn’t an unfair point at all. I agree that 99.9% of people just see Millwall as a byword for hooliganism.BigDiddy said:
Ask most people what Millwall stands for and you will get a flavour - some of the negativity may be unjustified, but that is why Millwall is not generally seen in a good light. The reputation remains bad.Woodwork said:
Depends. Is this an actual question or just an angry rant?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
Only my viewMy point was, that they aren’t an irrelevant football club in terms of actual history. They literally pioneered professional football in London & the south, earning a nickname for their troubles. My related point is that most people don’t care about history & are therefore ignorant of it. This can be applied to so many things & so many superficial views, eg ‘the French are surrender monkeys’, ‘Africans are uncivilised savages’. Luckily, football is just a game & so Millwall can brush it off & sing they don’t care.Edit: If you’re not a Millwall fan trying to take the piss then I’m the bastard son of Harry Cripps.My dad is genuinely a Charlton fan. Maybe my soft spot for Millwall is thanks to my granddad & nan. As they were far better role models for me & the rocks in my life. As is my uncle.I have no interest in winding anyone up or trolling. None. And I am happy to be told to fuck off if I am.4 -
They’re from Walworth. Not the EastEnd!DOUCHER said:
I don’t think you’re winding anybody up any more because we’ve all rumbled what you are so it’s just amusing now tbh - my grandad this, my old aunt gaud bless her - did they have purly king and queen hats as well ? Have u got one ? Cos if u know your history - not a single major trophy - even Wimbledon have one - goodnight nurse 😂😂😂Woodwork said:
I’m not trying to do anything. Honest.ShootersHillGuru said:
No football club is irrelevant in terms of history and no “club” is of itself a horrible club. Not even Millwall. It’s the fans and general persona that clubs have that makes them likeable or disliked by other clubs fans. I grew up in Greenwich and Charlton and know many lads that support Millwall and my wife’s family are all Millwall supporters. Do I dislike Millwall ? Absolutely with a passion. I detest their history of fan violence and mayhem which is bad enough on its own but made even more repugnant by the fact that large sections of their fan base revel in that reputation. They attract those fans that want to be associated with what that stands for. The first two results I look for a Charlton and Millwall and nothing pleases me more than Charlton winning and Millwall losing. I don’t like Crystal Palace for I think obvious reasons but they’re never in your puff our rivals and never have been. That’s Millwall. As a Charlton supporter my big hope for next season is that we get some decent points off them for a change. Our appalling record against them is another reason to dislike them and I live in hope.Woodwork said:
Which isn’t an unfair point at all. I agree that 99.9% of people just see Millwall as a byword for hooliganism.BigDiddy said:
Ask most people what Millwall stands for and you will get a flavour - some of the negativity may be unjustified, but that is why Millwall is not generally seen in a good light. The reputation remains bad.Woodwork said:
Depends. Is this an actual question or just an angry rant?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
Only my viewMy point was, that they aren’t an irrelevant football club in terms of actual history. They literally pioneered professional football in London & the south, earning a nickname for their troubles. My related point is that most people don’t care about history & are therefore ignorant of it. This can be applied to so many things & so many superficial views, eg ‘the French are surrender monkeys’, ‘Africans are uncivilised savages’. Luckily, football is just a game & so Millwall can brush it off & sing they don’t care.Edit: If you’re not a Millwall fan trying to take the piss then I’m the bastard son of Harry Cripps.My dad is genuinely a Charlton fan. Maybe my soft spot for Millwall is thanks to my granddad & nan. As they were far better role models for me & the rocks in my life. As is my uncle.I have no interest in winding anyone up or trolling. None. And I am happy to be told to fuck off if I am.1 -
I expect Millwall to be in and around the play-offs if the club invests some of the Flemming & Esse money wisely. Long-term, I think the club are in great hands & with this new 999 lease & opportunity to develop their own plans, will cement their current standing as a decent Championship club chasing the dream. And there seems to be a big push with the academy, which is why they tried Edwards. But have settled on Neil, who is a happy half way house between solid Championship manager & a good coach at developing young players. Also the recruitment is good, and they seemed to have started the cycle of buying rough diamonds & selling them on for a big profit.jimmymelrose said:So, Woodwork, what are your expectations for Millwall next season and long term?
Also, assuming that you actually do attend Millwall matches and so have seen the opposition, what predictions do you have for the league in general?
And what is your fair appraisal of Charlton’s chances?
Btw, have you read 'Turf Wars', an excellent read about London clubs’ rivalries and histories?In general, the ‘proper’ yo-yo relegated PL teams look a cut above these days. I say proper, as don’t count Luton in that category. Leeds & Burnley looked very good, although Millwall did beat both at The Den. That was under Harris. Which brings me onto Charlton. Jones will no doubt go down a similar path to the one Harris did, ie not have much of the ball & try and nick wins. Can be effective against the flasher teams, but can also be found out & negated too, hence why he resigned. Goals may be very hard to come with the current squad. Reckon Ipswich & Southampton will be similar to Leeds & Burnley, in that they will be a bit of a cut above. The rest of the division will be highly competitive. Can see teams getting relegated on 49-52 points, with no one cut adrift. Maybe Wednesday, if they can’t sort themselves out. And the play-offs being a low bar again, of c70 points.Yes, I have had read it. Very good. Football books I recommend are most of Micheal Calvin’s, as well as Tor! Tor! Tor!2 -
He is 🤷🏻♂️UEAAddick said:
Here we go again. You just can't help yourself can you, even after you've been found out on here.Woodwork said:
I’m not trying to do anything. Honest.ShootersHillGuru said:
No football club is irrelevant in terms of history and no “club” is of itself a horrible club. Not even Millwall. It’s the fans and general persona that clubs have that makes them likeable or disliked by other clubs fans. I grew up in Greenwich and Charlton and know many lads that support Millwall and my wife’s family are all Millwall supporters. Do I dislike Millwall ? Absolutely with a passion. I detest their history of fan violence and mayhem which is bad enough on its own but made even more repugnant by the fact that large sections of their fan base revel in that reputation. They attract those fans that want to be associated with what that stands for. The first two results I look for a Charlton and Millwall and nothing pleases me more than Charlton winning and Millwall losing. I don’t like Crystal Palace for I think obvious reasons but they’re never in your puff our rivals and never have been. That’s Millwall. As a Charlton supporter my big hope for next season is that we get some decent points off them for a change. Our appalling record against them is another reason to dislike them and I live in hope.Woodwork said:
Which isn’t an unfair point at all. I agree that 99.9% of people just see Millwall as a byword for hooliganism.BigDiddy said:
Ask most people what Millwall stands for and you will get a flavour - some of the negativity may be unjustified, but that is why Millwall is not generally seen in a good light. The reputation remains bad.Woodwork said:
Depends. Is this an actual question or just an angry rant?BigDiddy said:
Exactly.DOUCHER said:
U have a good record against us, no question but I’d guess your footballing achievements probably rank about level with orient ?Woodwork said:
I must be bad luck then, as my visits to The Den have seen us yes lose in last minute last time we played there, but also include a 3-1 stuffing, a 4-0 hammering & another 3-1 stuffing. I was on way to the 2-0 win, but we had to turn back cos the snow was making driving so hazardous.DOUCHER said:
agreed although i'd like to point out that its actually 4 points - we lose away - normally to a last minute flukey goal and we draw at home - its a painful curse the gypo community have on us but we do normally win the games that count - we're the play off finals champs and have an fa cup in our locker so on balance, fuck emBigDiddy said:
Stuff Millwall.KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
Only my viewMy point was, that they aren’t an irrelevant football club in terms of actual history. They literally pioneered professional football in London & the south, earning a nickname for their troubles. My related point is that most people don’t care about history & are therefore ignorant of it. This can be applied to so many things & so many superficial views, eg ‘the French are surrender monkeys’, ‘Africans are uncivilised savages’. Luckily, football is just a game & so Millwall can brush it off & sing they don’t care.Edit: If you’re not a Millwall fan trying to take the piss then I’m the bastard son of Harry Cripps.My dad is genuinely a Charlton fan. Maybe my soft spot for Millwall is thanks to my granddad & nan. As they were far better role models for me & the rocks in my life. As is my uncle.I have no interest in winding anyone up or trolling. None. And I am happy to be told to fuck off if I am.
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