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mendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....
None of us know but I would expect changes / development on our playing style. I think it will be telling what positions we strengthen with proven quality. My suspicion is that only one of Central Midfield, Wingers, or wing backs will be and that will highlight the plans for change0 -
mendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....2 -
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mendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....0 -
Crispywood said:mendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....4 -
Woodwork said:BigDiddy said:DOUCHER said:Woodwork said:DOUCHER said:BigDiddy said:KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
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BigDiddy said:Woodwork said:BigDiddy said:DOUCHER said:Woodwork said:DOUCHER said:BigDiddy said:KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
Only my viewMy point was, that they aren’t an irrelevant football club in terms of actual history. They literally pioneered professional football in London & the south, earning a nickname for their troubles. My related point is that most people don’t care about history & are therefore ignorant of it. This can be applied to so many things & so many superficial views, eg ‘the French are surrender monkeys’, ‘Africans are uncivilised savages’. Luckily, football is just a game & so Millwall can brush it off & sing they don’t care.2 -
Steven81 said:Crispywood said:mendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....4 -
Woodwork said:BigDiddy said:Woodwork said:BigDiddy said:DOUCHER said:Woodwork said:DOUCHER said:BigDiddy said:KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
Only my viewMy point was, that they aren’t an irrelevant football club in terms of actual history. They literally pioneered professional football in London & the south, earning a nickname for their troubles. My related point is that most people don’t care about history & are therefore ignorant of it. This can be applied to so many things & so many superficial views, eg ‘the French are surrender monkeys’, ‘Africans are uncivilised savages’. Luckily, football is just a game & so Millwall can brush it off & sing they don’t care.Edit: If you’re not a Millwall fan trying to take the piss then I’m the bastard son of Harry Cripps.4 -
ShootersHillGuru said:Woodwork said:BigDiddy said:Woodwork said:BigDiddy said:DOUCHER said:Woodwork said:DOUCHER said:BigDiddy said:KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
Only my viewMy point was, that they aren’t an irrelevant football club in terms of actual history. They literally pioneered professional football in London & the south, earning a nickname for their troubles. My related point is that most people don’t care about history & are therefore ignorant of it. This can be applied to so many things & so many superficial views, eg ‘the French are surrender monkeys’, ‘Africans are uncivilised savages’. Luckily, football is just a game & so Millwall can brush it off & sing they don’t care.Edit: If you’re not a Millwall fan trying to take the piss then I’m the bastard son of Harry Cripps.My dad is genuinely a Charlton fan. Maybe my soft spot for Millwall is thanks to my granddad & nan. As they were far better role models for me & the rocks in my life. As is my uncle.I have no interest in winding anyone up or trolling. None. And I am happy to be told to fuck off if I am.2 - Sponsored links:
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So, Woodwork, what are your expectations for Millwall next season and long term?
Also, assuming that you actually do attend Millwall matches and so have seen the opposition, what predictions do you have for the league in general?
And what is your fair appraisal of Charlton’s chances?
Btw, have you read 'Turf Wars', an excellent read about London clubs’ rivalries and histories?2 -
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Woodwork said:ShootersHillGuru said:Woodwork said:BigDiddy said:Woodwork said:BigDiddy said:DOUCHER said:Woodwork said:DOUCHER said:BigDiddy said:KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
Only my viewMy point was, that they aren’t an irrelevant football club in terms of actual history. They literally pioneered professional football in London & the south, earning a nickname for their troubles. My related point is that most people don’t care about history & are therefore ignorant of it. This can be applied to so many things & so many superficial views, eg ‘the French are surrender monkeys’, ‘Africans are uncivilised savages’. Luckily, football is just a game & so Millwall can brush it off & sing they don’t care.Edit: If you’re not a Millwall fan trying to take the piss then I’m the bastard son of Harry Cripps.My dad is genuinely a Charlton fan. Maybe my soft spot for Millwall is thanks to my granddad & nan. As they were far better role models for me & the rocks in my life. As is my uncle.I have no interest in winding anyone up or trolling. None. And I am happy to be told to fuck off if I am.2 -
Is that Millwall guy still at it?0
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Siv_in_Norfolk said:Is that Millwall guy still at it?0
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NabySarr said:Steven81 said:Crispywood said:mendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....0 -
letthegoodtimesroll said:NabySarr said:Steven81 said:Crispywood said:mendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....5 -
letthegoodtimesroll said:NabySarr said:Steven81 said:Crispywood said:mendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....4 -
letthegoodtimesroll said:NabySarr said:Steven81 said:Crispywood said:mendonca said:Do we think that we will be sticking to the same formation next season?
I wouldn't be surprised if Jones considers a change to our style and formation for the Championship. The signings will provide an insight. Progressive management and all that....6 -
What odds on him finding his end product when we play them ?1
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Woodwork said:ShootersHillGuru said:Woodwork said:BigDiddy said:Woodwork said:BigDiddy said:DOUCHER said:Woodwork said:DOUCHER said:BigDiddy said:KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
Only my viewMy point was, that they aren’t an irrelevant football club in terms of actual history. They literally pioneered professional football in London & the south, earning a nickname for their troubles. My related point is that most people don’t care about history & are therefore ignorant of it. This can be applied to so many things & so many superficial views, eg ‘the French are surrender monkeys’, ‘Africans are uncivilised savages’. Luckily, football is just a game & so Millwall can brush it off & sing they don’t care.Edit: If you’re not a Millwall fan trying to take the piss then I’m the bastard son of Harry Cripps.My dad is genuinely a Charlton fan. Maybe my soft spot for Millwall is thanks to my granddad & nan. As they were far better role models for me & the rocks in my life. As is my uncle.I have no interest in winding anyone up or trolling. None. And I am happy to be told to fuck off if I am.0 -
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Not really sure.
One thing I have come to learn, the scars of Southampton burn bright with Jones. And I am absolutely certain he is on a mission with every bone in his body to prove the nay sayers wrong.
Could be a good ride.3 -
carly burn said:Not really sure.
One thing I have come to learn, the scars of Southampton burn bright with Jones. And I am absolutely certain he is on a mission with every bone in his body to prove the nay sayers wrong.
Could be a good ride.0 -
se9addick said:carly burn said:Not really sure.
One thing I have come to learn, the scars of Southampton burn bright with Jones. And I am absolutely certain he is on a mission with every bone in his body to prove the nay sayers wrong.
Could be a good ride.2 -
Woodwork said:ShootersHillGuru said:Woodwork said:BigDiddy said:Woodwork said:BigDiddy said:DOUCHER said:Woodwork said:DOUCHER said:BigDiddy said:KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
Only my viewMy point was, that they aren’t an irrelevant football club in terms of actual history. They literally pioneered professional football in London & the south, earning a nickname for their troubles. My related point is that most people don’t care about history & are therefore ignorant of it. This can be applied to so many things & so many superficial views, eg ‘the French are surrender monkeys’, ‘Africans are uncivilised savages’. Luckily, football is just a game & so Millwall can brush it off & sing they don’t care.Edit: If you’re not a Millwall fan trying to take the piss then I’m the bastard son of Harry Cripps.My dad is genuinely a Charlton fan. Maybe my soft spot for Millwall is thanks to my granddad & nan. As they were far better role models for me & the rocks in my life. As is my uncle.I have no interest in winding anyone up or trolling. None. And I am happy to be told to fuck off if I am.4 -
DOUCHER said:Woodwork said:ShootersHillGuru said:Woodwork said:BigDiddy said:Woodwork said:BigDiddy said:DOUCHER said:Woodwork said:DOUCHER said:BigDiddy said:KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
Only my viewMy point was, that they aren’t an irrelevant football club in terms of actual history. They literally pioneered professional football in London & the south, earning a nickname for their troubles. My related point is that most people don’t care about history & are therefore ignorant of it. This can be applied to so many things & so many superficial views, eg ‘the French are surrender monkeys’, ‘Africans are uncivilised savages’. Luckily, football is just a game & so Millwall can brush it off & sing they don’t care.Edit: If you’re not a Millwall fan trying to take the piss then I’m the bastard son of Harry Cripps.My dad is genuinely a Charlton fan. Maybe my soft spot for Millwall is thanks to my granddad & nan. As they were far better role models for me & the rocks in my life. As is my uncle.I have no interest in winding anyone up or trolling. None. And I am happy to be told to fuck off if I am.1 -
jimmymelrose said:So, Woodwork, what are your expectations for Millwall next season and long term?
Also, assuming that you actually do attend Millwall matches and so have seen the opposition, what predictions do you have for the league in general?
And what is your fair appraisal of Charlton’s chances?
Btw, have you read 'Turf Wars', an excellent read about London clubs’ rivalries and histories?In general, the ‘proper’ yo-yo relegated PL teams look a cut above these days. I say proper, as don’t count Luton in that category. Leeds & Burnley looked very good, although Millwall did beat both at The Den. That was under Harris. Which brings me onto Charlton. Jones will no doubt go down a similar path to the one Harris did, ie not have much of the ball & try and nick wins. Can be effective against the flasher teams, but can also be found out & negated too, hence why he resigned. Goals may be very hard to come with the current squad. Reckon Ipswich & Southampton will be similar to Leeds & Burnley, in that they will be a bit of a cut above. The rest of the division will be highly competitive. Can see teams getting relegated on 49-52 points, with no one cut adrift. Maybe Wednesday, if they can’t sort themselves out. And the play-offs being a low bar again, of c70 points.Yes, I have had read it. Very good. Football books I recommend are most of Micheal Calvin’s, as well as Tor! Tor! Tor!2 -
UEAAddick said:Woodwork said:ShootersHillGuru said:Woodwork said:BigDiddy said:Woodwork said:BigDiddy said:DOUCHER said:Woodwork said:DOUCHER said:BigDiddy said:KiwiValley said:Can we just start the year in minus six and not bother with the Milwall games?.
Someone please tell us what Millwall is remembered for and stands for?
Insignificant……..is the word that springs to mind
As someone who loves history, including football history you cannot be so quick to discount Millwall’s.If you want something with real tangible meaning, then you have only to look at their nickname. Founded by friends who worked together at Morton’s cannery company next to Millwall Dock, they were originally known as the ‘Dockers’, on account of the occupation of many of the people that came to watch them play. However, by the end of the Victorian era they had gained a new nickname, bestowed to the club by the sporting press of the time. This is because Millwall pioneered professional football in London & the south.Millwall ignored the typical southern feeling that football should remain an amateur game played by gentlemen. Instead, they wanted to challenge the dominance of the professional northern and midlands clubs that had started their own competitive league having usurped the dominance of amateur clubs in the FA Cup. Indeed, the friends at Morton’s were likely inspired by the FA Cup winning Blackburn Rovers team of 1884 and then again in 1885, as they called their new team Millwall Rovers in 1885. By 1893 they had turned professional, and by 1894 had created the Southern League. Which they won undefeated.However, it was in the FA Cup where they really demonstrated that southern professional clubs could challenge their northern & midlands counterparts from the Football League. Millwall defeated the famous Preston NE, as well as Everton and Derby County on runs to two FA Cup Semi-Finals in 1900 & 1903. But it was the 1900 FA Cup QF victory over Aston Villa, the dominant force of English football at the time (champions 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1900 and FA Cup winners in 1895 and 1897) that cemented their reputation as ‘Lions of the South’, according to the Victorian sporting press. The nickname stuck, as the club continued to be seen as a side that you wanted to avoid playing away in the cup. And as such, are the only English football club to be given a nickname based on footballing endeavour.
Millwall, to this day, are officially recognised as the greatest giant killers in FA Cup history. No other club has defeated more higher placed clubs, including holders and English champions. The latest of which was PL Champions Leicester City, who were beaten in the 5th Round by then League One Millwall, who even had to play entire second half with ten men. It was also a hat-trick of Premier League scalps in a row for Millwall in the 2017 FA Cup.As said, I love history and especially football history. I think most football fans would associate Millwall with being a great cup team, if nothing else. Charlton fans are on the whole a pretty clued up lot, who take an interest in other clubs. Probably due to our own upheavals. We aren’t arrogant like some fanbases (hello Palace!). If the history related to Millwall above was associated with say Leyton Orient, most of us would say ‘they are proper club, with an interesting history’.I get it. I come from a Millwall family. My dad took me to Charlton. So I don’t hate them. Been over this. But yes, I get why many Charlton fans do hate them. But let’s not make out they are a nothing club. Well, you can… as that’s your right to do so on a Charlton forum. Historically speaking though, a neutral would say you are wrong.
On the footballing side, Millwall does punch above its weight, but the debate is more than what is done on the pitch.
I do not see neutrals says “oh Millwall….lovely club, lovely people…” I don’t hate them at all, but there is nothing positive i can say about the club.
Leeds, Birmingham, Cardiff also have iffy reputations, but Millwall stand out as the worst of a bad bunch.
Only my viewMy point was, that they aren’t an irrelevant football club in terms of actual history. They literally pioneered professional football in London & the south, earning a nickname for their troubles. My related point is that most people don’t care about history & are therefore ignorant of it. This can be applied to so many things & so many superficial views, eg ‘the French are surrender monkeys’, ‘Africans are uncivilised savages’. Luckily, football is just a game & so Millwall can brush it off & sing they don’t care.Edit: If you’re not a Millwall fan trying to take the piss then I’m the bastard son of Harry Cripps.My dad is genuinely a Charlton fan. Maybe my soft spot for Millwall is thanks to my granddad & nan. As they were far better role models for me & the rocks in my life. As is my uncle.I have no interest in winding anyone up or trolling. None. And I am happy to be told to fuck off if I am.
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