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Championship expectations
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Apparently NJ doesn't like 'development loans' which I think is naïve because one or two of these would be a great way to punch above our current weight.MrOneLung said:I feel our seasons success is going to be more reliant on the loan signings we get in, rather than the permanent signings we make1 -
He doesn’t like to use the loan market but he’s shown that if the right players pop up he’s willing to have a look. Less likely to get our main transfer targets so can see him resorting to loans if neededjimmymelrose said:
Apparently NJ doesn't like 'development loans' which I think is naïve because one or two of these would be a great way to punch above our current weight.MrOneLung said:I feel our seasons success is going to be more reliant on the loan signings we get in, rather than the permanent signings we make1 -
Honestly if we stay up and beat Millwall at least once, I will consider the season a success.6
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Nathan Jones and Alex Neil were being interviewed by SKY re their Championship expectations
NJ said he was hoping to stay up and beat Millwall once.Alex Neil answered, that Millwall were going unbeaten all season, winning the title with a record points score, beat Liverpool in the FA Cup final which will be a prelude to five years of European domination.The reporter said ‘come on Alex, that’s a bit far fetched’ and Neil replied ‘well he started it’26 -
But it’s our cup final yeah ? 😉Radostanradical said:Honestly if we stay up and beat Millwall at least once, I will consider the season a success.5 -
I don't get all the nerves, negativity and desperately hoping that we'll stay up. Look at the League table today. We're joint top!3
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Because our ownership, harp on about sustainability, which is a euphemism for small wage and transfer budget.Chizz said:I don't get all the nerves, negativity and desperately hoping that we'll stay up. Look at the League table today. We're joint top!
The Championship is a notorious money pit, and teams with small budgets most likely to be relegated.5 -
Our budget is usually around the 4th or 5th lowest in the league, yet you’ll more often find us competing near the top end of the table than fighting relegation.msomerton said:
Because our ownership, harp on about sustainability, which is a euphemism for small wage and transfer budget.Chizz said:I don't get all the nerves, negativity and desperately hoping that we'll stay up. Look at the League table today. We're joint top!
The Championship is a notorious money pit, and teams with small budgets most likely to be relegated.It can be done. You need a good scouting network, make good use of the loan system and look for some bargains on the continent.14 -
msomerton said:
Because our ownership, harp on about sustainability, which is a euphemism for small wage and transfer budget.Chizz said:I don't get all the nerves, negativity and desperately hoping that we'll stay up. Look at the League table today. We're joint top!
The Championship is a notorious money pit, and teams with small budgets most likely to be relegated.How is sustainability a definite euphemism for small wage and transfer budget? It is just as much a euphemism for we will not break the bank but invest sensibly for a sustainable future. How sustainable would our future be if we got relegated next season?Our owners are very successful businessmen and I would trust them to make the right financial decisions, unless or until they demonstrate the opposite.2 -
Have look at the published income and spending of the clubs in the Championship for 23/24 season. You will see the vast majority loose tens of millions, the team that made a profit did so by player sales, either a single player ffor an exceptional sum or a lot of the squad.bobmunro said:msomerton said:
Because our ownership, harp on about sustainability, which is a euphemism for small wage and transfer budget.Chizz said:I don't get all the nerves, negativity and desperately hoping that we'll stay up. Look at the League table today. We're joint top!
The Championship is a notorious money pit, and teams with small budgets most likely to be relegated.How is sustainability a definite euphemism for small wage and transfer budget? It is just as much a euphemism for we will not break the bank but invest sensibly for a sustainable future. How sustainable would our future be if we got relegated next season?Our owners are very successful businessmen and I would trust them to make the right financial decisions, unless or until they demonstrate the opposite.0 -
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msomerton said:
Have look at the published income and spending of the clubs in the Championship for 23/24 season. You will see the vast majority loose tens of millions, the team that made a profit did so by player sales, either a single player ffor an exceptional sum or a lot of the squad.bobmunro said:msomerton said:
Because our ownership, harp on about sustainability, which is a euphemism for small wage and transfer budget.Chizz said:I don't get all the nerves, negativity and desperately hoping that we'll stay up. Look at the League table today. We're joint top!
The Championship is a notorious money pit, and teams with small budgets most likely to be relegated.How is sustainability a definite euphemism for small wage and transfer budget? It is just as much a euphemism for we will not break the bank but invest sensibly for a sustainable future. How sustainable would our future be if we got relegated next season?Our owners are very successful businessmen and I would trust them to make the right financial decisions, unless or until they demonstrate the opposite.
Sustainability doesn't mean we have to make a profit next season - we won't and most would expect our losses to increase rather than decrease. Only our owners will know what losses are sustainable in the short to medium term.3 -
According to Swiss rambler the net debt over the last 5 seasons £1.5 billion, according to Dloitte losses rose to £411 million in the 23/24 season.0
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MillwallFan said:
Our budget is usually around the 4th or 5th lowest in the league, yet you’ll more often find us competing near the top end of the table than fighting relegation.msomerton said:
Because our ownership, harp on about sustainability, which is a euphemism for small wage and transfer budget.Chizz said:I don't get all the nerves, negativity and desperately hoping that we'll stay up. Look at the League table today. We're joint top!
The Championship is a notorious money pit, and teams with small budgets most likely to be relegated.It can be done. You need a good scouting network, make good us of the loan system and look for some bargains on the continent.
I was actually going to ask about your continental policy because from the outside it seems to have been a great success? Flemming came in for what £2m and sold for £7m+?:, De Norre has looked tidy in midfield from what I've seen and Ivanovic looks an absolute steal.
Feels like this is the direction we should be going in too, going and finding these gems on the continent. Some of the fees quoted for domestic signings do seem a bit of a head scratcher.1 -
Being safe with 10 or more games to go will be just fine1
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Read a really interesting post on twitter the other day by Valley Floyd Fred, where he said there is quite a lot of leeway in spending in the Champmsomerton said:
Because our ownership, harp on about sustainability, which is a euphemism for small wage and transfer budget.Chizz said:I don't get all the nerves, negativity and desperately hoping that we'll stay up. Look at the League table today. We're joint top!
The Championship is a notorious money pit, and teams with small budgets most likely to be relegated.
Here is what he said:
Those figures make more sense when you look at Oxford, Pompey, and Derbys transfers for 24/25. They all spent a decent amount (between 6-10 million) and that ties in with being allowed to have a bit of a net loss.
It isn't unreasonable to expect the club to spend roughly 7 million on transfer fees as that is what Pompey and Oxford did to make themselves competitive. Especially those two as they didn't actually have any significant incoming fees unlike Derby. Derby were able to spend a significant amount more cause of the sale of Cashin.4 -
I think we will end up losing £8-10m like we have been in league 1.Braziliance said:
Read a really interesting post on twitter the other day by Valley Floyd Fred, where he said there is quite a lot of leeway in spending in the Champmsomerton said:
Because our ownership, harp on about sustainability, which is a euphemism for small wage and transfer budget.Chizz said:I don't get all the nerves, negativity and desperately hoping that we'll stay up. Look at the League table today. We're joint top!
The Championship is a notorious money pit, and teams with small budgets most likely to be relegated.
Here is what he said:
Those figures make more sense when you look at Oxford, Pompey, and Derbys transfers for 24/25. They all spent a decent amount (between 6-10 million) and that ties in with being allowed to have a bit of a net loss.
It isn't unreasonable to expect the club to spend roughly 7 million on transfer fees as that is what Pompey and Oxford did to make themselves competitive. Especially those two as they didn't actually have any significant incoming fees unlike Derby. Derby were able to spend a significant amount more cause of the sale of Cashin.Long term plan in the championship can be to bring that down, but for the first few years we will need to lose that kind of money1 -
Derby really cashed in well there.Braziliance said:
Read a really interesting post on twitter the other day by Valley Floyd Fred, where he said there is quite a lot of leeway in spending in the Champmsomerton said:
Because our ownership, harp on about sustainability, which is a euphemism for small wage and transfer budget.Chizz said:I don't get all the nerves, negativity and desperately hoping that we'll stay up. Look at the League table today. We're joint top!
The Championship is a notorious money pit, and teams with small budgets most likely to be relegated.
Here is what he said:
Those figures make more sense when you look at Oxford, Pompey, and Derbys transfers for 24/25. They all spent a decent amount (between 6-10 million) and that ties in with being allowed to have a bit of a net loss.
It isn't unreasonable to expect the club to spend roughly 7 million on transfer fees as that is what Pompey and Oxford did to make themselves competitive. Especially those two as they didn't actually have any significant incoming fees unlike Derby. Derby were able to spend a significant amount more cause of the sale of Cashin.0 -
@seriously_red may have an opinion about this.msomerton said:According to Swiss rambler the net debt over the last 5 seasons £1.5 billion, according to Dloitte losses rose to £411 million in the 23/24 season.1 -
Didn’t we lose 14.5M the last time our accounts were published?NabySarr said:
I think we will end up losing £8-10m like we have been in league 1.Braziliance said:
Read a really interesting post on twitter the other day by Valley Floyd Fred, where he said there is quite a lot of leeway in spending in the Champmsomerton said:
Because our ownership, harp on about sustainability, which is a euphemism for small wage and transfer budget.Chizz said:I don't get all the nerves, negativity and desperately hoping that we'll stay up. Look at the League table today. We're joint top!
The Championship is a notorious money pit, and teams with small budgets most likely to be relegated.
Here is what he said:
Those figures make more sense when you look at Oxford, Pompey, and Derbys transfers for 24/25. They all spent a decent amount (between 6-10 million) and that ties in with being allowed to have a bit of a net loss.
It isn't unreasonable to expect the club to spend roughly 7 million on transfer fees as that is what Pompey and Oxford did to make themselves competitive. Especially those two as they didn't actually have any significant incoming fees unlike Derby. Derby were able to spend a significant amount more cause of the sale of Cashin.Long term plan in the championship can be to bring that down, but for the first few years we will need to lose that kind of money0 -
Yes we did, that includes a lot on facilities spending as well. In the championship they should expect to take losses of 12-14 million pounds.Crispywood said:
Didn’t we lose 14.5M the last time our accounts were published?NabySarr said:
I think we will end up losing £8-10m like we have been in league 1.Braziliance said:
Read a really interesting post on twitter the other day by Valley Floyd Fred, where he said there is quite a lot of leeway in spending in the Champmsomerton said:
Because our ownership, harp on about sustainability, which is a euphemism for small wage and transfer budget.Chizz said:I don't get all the nerves, negativity and desperately hoping that we'll stay up. Look at the League table today. We're joint top!
The Championship is a notorious money pit, and teams with small budgets most likely to be relegated.
Here is what he said:
Those figures make more sense when you look at Oxford, Pompey, and Derbys transfers for 24/25. They all spent a decent amount (between 6-10 million) and that ties in with being allowed to have a bit of a net loss.
It isn't unreasonable to expect the club to spend roughly 7 million on transfer fees as that is what Pompey and Oxford did to make themselves competitive. Especially those two as they didn't actually have any significant incoming fees unlike Derby. Derby were able to spend a significant amount more cause of the sale of Cashin.Long term plan in the championship can be to bring that down, but for the first few years we will need to lose that kind of money0 -
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These super computers are genuinely ridiculous. Birmingham with 19 losses is a bit of a myth, as is us finishing just 10 points behind them. West Brom more losses than wins?
55 points would be a fantastic effort, would be chuffed with that.1 -
Braziliance said:These super computers are genuinely ridiculous. Birmingham with 19 losses is a bit of a myth, as is us finishing just 10 points behind them. West Brom more losses than wins?
55 points would be a fantastic effort, would be chuffed with that.
Similarly xg and the like, all a load of rubbish.
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Disagree with that. xG is just a way of viewing the game from a data perspective. It doesn't have to be concrete or be taken with the most seriousness and it is at the very least a reflection of the game. I like stats cause after the game you can get an alternate view where it is impossible to truly observe every player.ElfsborgAddick said:Braziliance said:These super computers are genuinely ridiculous. Birmingham with 19 losses is a bit of a myth, as is us finishing just 10 points behind them. West Brom more losses than wins?
55 points would be a fantastic effort, would be chuffed with that.
Similarly xg and the like, all a load of rubbish.
These super computers are complete guess work. How it has us at 17th is beyond me, and with so many points. What is that even based on.4 -
Why has the Supercomputer thought Watford are doomed ?0
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Just think, several decades ago they said that when other stats were introduced.ElfsborgAddick said:Braziliance said:These super computers are genuinely ridiculous. Birmingham with 19 losses is a bit of a myth, as is us finishing just 10 points behind them. West Brom more losses than wins?
55 points would be a fantastic effort, would be chuffed with that.
Similarly xg and the like, all a load of rubbish.
They can all add value for clubs if they’re properly understood (including their limitations) and if they’re used in the right way.
There are plenty of examples of clubs that have got it right leading to improved results and recruitment.2 -
Yeah xG is used by most clubs around the world, it clearly has some uses. The supercomputer nonsense is mostly used by rags like the sun newspaper or other clickbait shiteBraziliance said:
Disagree with that. xG is just a way of viewing the game from a data perspective. It doesn't have to be concrete or be taken with the most seriousness and it is at the very least a reflection of the game. I like stats cause after the game you can get an alternate view where it is impossible to truly observe every player.ElfsborgAddick said:Braziliance said:These super computers are genuinely ridiculous. Birmingham with 19 losses is a bit of a myth, as is us finishing just 10 points behind them. West Brom more losses than wins?
55 points would be a fantastic effort, would be chuffed with that.
Similarly xg and the like, all a load of rubbish.
These super computers are complete guess work. How it has us at 17th is beyond me, and with so many points. What is that even based on.0 -
Because their 6 nil thrashing on the opening day will destroy their confidence.ShootersHillGuru said:Why has the Supercomputer thought Watford are doomed ?13 -
I'd take 21st now. Anything better will constitute a good season. Relegation (ie lower than 21st) a poor one.3
