Championship expectations

Dave2l

JustFloydRoad said:

The supercomputer has spoken

Is this a new form of AI that can tell what happens in the the future? 

Steven81

bobmunro said:

LenGlover said:

I'd take 21st now. Anything better will constitute a good season. Relegation (ie lower than 21st) a poor one.

I would say disastrous rather than poor. We must not go down or I would fear for our future.

Upto the rich owners then lend us a fiver in the transfer market with all them billions.

MillwallFan

Steven81 said:

bobmunro said:

LenGlover said:

I'd take 21st now. Anything better will constitute a good season. Relegation (ie lower than 21st) a poor one.

I would say disastrous rather than poor. We must not go down or I would fear for our future.

Upto the rich owners then lend us a fiver in the transfer market with all them billions.

All depends on what you’ve got coming in. FFP much stricter on the championship. 

There’s rumours at Millwall that young James Berylson would actually like to pump more money in to the team and really go for it but his hands are tied because of this. 

mattinfinland

Winning the league





Avoiding relegation is a success in our first season

letthegoodtimesroll

mattinfinland said:

Winning the league





Avoiding relegation is a success in our first season

Life is too short to have that sort of negative approach before the season has even started 
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msomerton

Until we see the results of the transfers in and out, we can not guess how the season will pan out.
All we know is as usual we are later than many of our rivals in getting our transfer targets in.

NabySarr

msomerton said:

Until we see the results of the transfers in and out, we can not guess how the season will pan out.
All we know is as usual we are later than many of our rivals in getting our transfer targets in.

Are we? Signings so far by our potential rivals this season 

Charlton: 1 

Oxford: 0 
Sheffield Wednesday: 0
Wrexham: 1 
Derby: 1 
Preston: 5 
Hull: 4 
Portsmouth: 1 
QPR: 3

Yes a couple of clubs have done some business but we aren’t really any different to the majority in not having signed many yet, and that’s not even considering our season finished weeks after all of theirs 

ShootersHillGuru

bobmunro said:

LenGlover said:

I'd take 21st now. Anything better will constitute a good season. Relegation (ie lower than 21st) a poor one.

I would say disastrous rather than poor. We must not go down or I would fear for our future.

It would be a catastrophe. Financially would put us back a few years at least. Might make the owners think that it’s just too hard and not worth it. Would lose any of the decent players we have and start again from scratch in a division that year on year is becoming harder to escape. Jones would probably consider his future. We must do enough to stay up and consolidate. We won’t do it on the cheap either.

ShootersHillGuru

MillwallFan said:

Steven81 said:

bobmunro said:

LenGlover said:

I'd take 21st now. Anything better will constitute a good season. Relegation (ie lower than 21st) a poor one.

I would say disastrous rather than poor. We must not go down or I would fear for our future.

Upto the rich owners then lend us a fiver in the transfer market with all them billions.

All depends on what you’ve got coming in. FFP much stricter on the championship. 

There’s rumours at Millwall that young James Berylson would actually like to pump more money in to the team and really go for it but his hands are tied because of this. 

 Convenient 😉

msomerton

NabySarr said:

msomerton said:

Until we see the results of the transfers in and out, we can not guess how the season will pan out.
All we know is as usual we are later than many of our rivals in getting our transfer targets in.

Are we? Signings so far by our potential rivals this season 

Charlton: 1 

Oxford: 0 
Sheffield Wednesday: 0
Wrexham: 1 
Derby: 1 
Preston: 5 
Hull: 4 
Portsmouth: 1 
QPR: 3

Yes a couple of clubs have done some business but we aren’t really any different to the majority in not having signed many yet, and that’s not even considering our season finished weeks after all of theirs 

Millwall 2, including breaking their record transfer fee, set last season.  Norwich, have made a signing, Derby have made a so called statement signing. The transfer window is in full swing. 

Braziliance

NabySarr said:

msomerton said:

Until we see the results of the transfers in and out, we can not guess how the season will pan out.
All we know is as usual we are later than many of our rivals in getting our transfer targets in.

Are we? Signings so far by our potential rivals this season 

Charlton: 1 

Oxford: 0 
Sheffield Wednesday: 0
Wrexham: 1 
Derby: 1 
Preston: 5 
Hull: 4 
Portsmouth: 1 
QPR: 3

Yes a couple of clubs have done some business but we aren’t really any different to the majority in not having signed many yet, and that’s not even considering our season finished weeks after all of theirs 

We can't be compared to these clubs though bar Wrexham as they are all at least 1 full championship season ahead of us with squads full of championship quality players.

If we were in League1 still I would agree, but we are playing catch up. 

Let's see anyway, looking like another week without a signing, would be amazed if we go another week without one.

fenaddick

Braziliance said:

NabySarr said:

msomerton said:

Until we see the results of the transfers in and out, we can not guess how the season will pan out.
All we know is as usual we are later than many of our rivals in getting our transfer targets in.

Are we? Signings so far by our potential rivals this season 

Charlton: 1 

Oxford: 0 
Sheffield Wednesday: 0
Wrexham: 1 
Derby: 1 
Preston: 5 
Hull: 4 
Portsmouth: 1 
QPR: 3

Yes a couple of clubs have done some business but we aren’t really any different to the majority in not having signed many yet, and that’s not even considering our season finished weeks after all of theirs 

We can't be compared to these clubs though bar Wrexham as they are all at least 1 full championship season ahead of us with squads full of championship quality players.

If we were in League1 still I would agree, but we are playing catch up. 

Let's see anyway, looking like another week without a signing, would be amazed if we go another week without one.

Think the last sentence is most important. If Cawley is right and we’re back in pre season training on 7th July then it ultimately doesn’t matter if they signed 5 weeks ago or on the 6th of July. We just like to see it early because we find it exciting 

killerandflash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLihyYrmCGE

An interesting video using AI to rank the Championship clubs by size. The results seem fair other than for Derby, and yes we are ranked higher than a certain other SE London side 

ElfsborgAddick

killerandflash said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLihyYrmCGE

An interesting video using AI to rank the Championship clubs by size. The results seem fair other than for Derby, and yes we are ranked higher than a certain other SE London side 

Judging the size of clubs can be taken so many ways.

I would say we are a similar size club to QPR, Birmingham being noticeably in front of us, but we are miles behind Wednesday.

iainambler

My only expectation is that we stay up without a relegation fight. If we carry on how we were at the end of the season I think that’s more than possible. 

Expecting us to be able to push for promotion this (or next) season is ridiculous. The Championship is probably the hardest league to play in, and we will need time to shape the right squad if we want to be promoted to and then stay in the Premiership. 

Our hopes have to be realistic, and it’s all about the timescale. Premier League football is eminently possible, but only if the owners are not mad, bad or Belgian (or a combination of the three) and the Manager has a plan and some nous - and crucially nobody is too eager to run before they can walk. 

AndyG

I’m hoping we can be competitive, not get relegated and build the team over the next couple of seasons into a squad pushing towards promotion. Oh and a few great results against some of our old enemies lol

BigDiddy

4th from bottom will be good enough. It’s a marathon, not a sprint. 

Steven81

BigDiddy said:

4th from bottom will be good enough. It’s a marathon, not a sprint. 

It would be good enough but if you aim for 4th from bottom your more likely going to fail and not set yourself up right,getting beat and morale going downhill does alot to teams as we all know from some of our own runs when we couldn't buy a point,trying to get mid table and the personel in would give us a better chance of surviving and not scraping the barrel of impending doom every week.

paulsturgess

ElfsborgAddick said:

killerandflash said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLihyYrmCGE

An interesting video using AI to rank the Championship clubs by size. The results seem fair other than for Derby, and yes we are ranked higher than a certain other SE London side 

Judging the size of clubs can be taken so many ways.

I would say we are a similar size club to QPR, Birmingham being noticeably in front of us, but we are miles behind Wednesday.

I’m assuming you’re judging Birmingham based on the sudden stature they have achieved under these high profile owners? 

Prior to that, they have hardly won anything of note, not dissimilar league history/ status to us and in the championship generally around 15-20k average crowd which is what we would/ will have at championship level. 

Coveredendchoir

BigDiddy said:

4th from bottom will be good enough. It’s a marathon, not a sprint. 

Thinking the same and couldnt care less who the three teams below us are!!! 

There’s quite a few “bigger than us” but under performing teams in the division… all circling the plug hole over the last two or three seasons. We’ve just gotta keep positive and trust the players to come good.

Scoham

https://x.com/secondtierpod/status/1938936522205491503?s=46&t=A-w3Eq0EWWpjMxring904Q

golfaddick

Just seen a YouTube video predicting the table after the first 5 matches. Has us 5th bottom with 5 points. 2 draws (Watford & Leicester) and 1 win........

At home to Millwall. 

That youtuber has a lot to learn. 😀

ShootersHillGuru

If we go into the last month of the season not fearing the chop it will have been a huge success.

th0rryy

I hope that we can recruit well enough to stay up, but judgement stays reserved on that until I see who we get through the door. Several of the names mentioned so far feel like they have us on the right track, but we're naturally going to be competing for a lot of the same kind of players. I hope that we can compete financially for them, and suggestions elsewhere on here give me some hope for that. However, when players like Small (or potential signings) get the glint of coin in their eyes, it is in this aspect when I feel like we might struggle to get enough quality.

Defensively, we should be fine if we bring in some cover and get a solid keeper in. Like when Jones first came in, we'll need to be tough to break down. More scrappy Jonesball, more tight games and more games decided by a goal or two. We might take a few beatings against teams that have genuine quality and pace, but it's of greater importance we are hard to beat against the teams like Hull etc. that will be down in the scrap.

It's in the top end of the pitch I have more concerns, and where most investment will need to happen. Godden cannot be left isolated if we start with him, and will need much more support. He's still got enough quality to score goals at this level, but much like Berry last year, we'll probably need to be careful with his minutes. Other players will need to step up or be brought in. Again, we're not going to be favoured in many games this season, but we need to take the limited chances we will probably get and build upon solid home form, as we did last year. A few sneaky away wins would be massive.

I hope we can stay up, but with both other L1 promotees having silly money, it's looking around at at least a couple of established Championship sides going down. This naturally makes our job harder. I think having a strong manager and core defensive unit should be enough - it's just whether we can score enough goals to stay up. It's not my money (so it's easy to say), but I would spend as aggressively now as we can afford to give us breathing room pre-January.

Not going to be easy, by any stretch. Signings we make in the next month or so, and their ability to embed, will make the difference.

brownbear

Leicester are an interesting one, very unsettled behind the scenes, no manager and a likely points deduction. Loss of Jamie Vardy also likely to have a big psychological effect, as he has bailed them out so often. 
Could easily go down if they get off to a bad start?

MuttleyCAFC

I think we need to see the business we do but it feels we are in a much better place than where we were last time we went up from League One. Would I put it past Jones getting a play off place by hook or by crook? Absolutely not. Surely we fans have learned from last season.

mascot88

If we can stay up - Lower Mid table - with some memorable wins across the season and Nathan Jones making us hard to beat again - that will be a great first season back. 

As fans we will be very happy with that and the the hope will remain. 

We will see increased numbers at the Valley for sure, if we actually got some momentum we could regularly over 20k - Most games looks like glamour ties compared to the trash we have witness for the recent past. 

A couple of surprise signings in the next few weeks will add to our expectation and excitement levels.

I actually think Nathans "defence first" strategy will serve us well in the Champ. 

Nathan still has a lot to prove to himself more than anyone else. 

Survival first but I think 13th is not a bad shout once we find our feet and lose our fear. 

se9addick

bobmunro said:

LenGlover said:

I'd take 21st now. Anything better will constitute a good season. Relegation (ie lower than 21st) a poor one.

I would say disastrous rather than poor. We must not go down or I would fear for our future.

That’s an interesting take. There’s been so much discussion of us being in a much better state off the pitch now than we were in 2019. Getting relegated straight after that promotion didn’t kill us then, why do you think it would now?

I’m probably just trying to protect myself emotionally in believing that not staying up won’t necessarily be the end of us as I think relegation is by far the most likely outcome next season. 

MrOneLung

brownbear said:

Leicester are an interesting one, very unsettled behind the scenes, no manager and a likely points deduction. Loss of Jamie Vardy also likely to have a big psychological effect, as he has bailed them out so often. 
Could easily go down if they get off to a bad start?

I think all 3 relegated teams will struggle.

Ipswich will be a lot lower down than predicted
Don't forget they went back to back promotions to get to the prem and they have lost their main goal threat.
This is, in effect, year 3 of a 5 year plan they probably had in mind when they got promoted up to the Championship

MartinCAFC

se9addick said:

bobmunro said:

LenGlover said:

I'd take 21st now. Anything better will constitute a good season. Relegation (ie lower than 21st) a poor one.

I would say disastrous rather than poor. We must not go down or I would fear for our future.

That’s an interesting take. There’s been so much discussion of us being in a much better state off the pitch now than we were in 2019. Getting relegated straight after that promotion didn’t kill us then, why do you think it would now?

I’m probably just trying to protect myself emotionally in believing that not staying up won’t necessarily be the end of us as I think relegation is by far the most likely outcome next season. 

Agree I felt losing the play off final could have been disastrous and may have taken us 2-3 more years to have another go at promotion.

If we get relegated this season we will largely have a squad assembled all under Jones knowing relegation is a possibility so you’d like to think would all stick around for a year to see if we could immediately bounce back.

Hopefully won’t come to that though, onwards and upwards.