I think it is easier for someone without managerial experience to have the close season to prepare, and to get their ideas in working order. Throwing an inexperienced manager into this mess may be nothing short of suicide. And just because someone was an inspirational character as a player does not mean they will be able to duplicate it as a manager. We need look no further than Bryan Robson to learn that.
[cite]Posted By: American_Addick[/cite]I think it is easier for someone without managerial experience to have the close season to prepare, and to get their ideas in working order.
Throwing an inexperienced manager into this mess may be nothing short of suicide.
And just because someone was an inspirational character as a player does not mean they will be able to duplicate it as a manager. We need look no further than Bryan Robson to learn that.
AA....there are as many posters on here as there are opinions....who knows if what you've just posted is the case or not...it's the ideal I'd say but we don't have time for ideal do we?
In favour of Paulo he has real character some might say too much but he would command respect of players in the premier league let alone our useless shower. Putting a smile back into the dressing room might be just the tonic we need. I know he would put a smile on a lot of supporters faces. He played football with passion and style. I would tke a punt with him and like GH says appoint Powell and Kins. What could possibly go wrong ;-)
[quote][cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: American_Addick[/cite]I think it is easier for someone without managerial experience to have the close season to prepare, and to get their ideas in working order. Throwing an inexperienced manager into this mess may be nothing short of suicide. And just because someone was an inspirational character as a player does not mean they will be able to duplicate it as a manager. We need look no further than Bryan Robson to learn that.[/quote]
AA....there are as many posters on here as there are opinions....who knows if what you've just posted is the case or not...it's the ideal I'd say but we don't have time for ideal do we?
Opinions are like arseholes AA...We all have one![/quote]
I'd just say that it is my opinion that, given the mess we are presently in, that someone with experience has a better chance of pulling us out of it than someone with no managerial experience. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, if something else worked.
By all accounts PDC was a consumate pro...absolutely flawless on the training ground and in the dressing room...an example to all and sundry.
We have this on very good authority from Curbs both in his book and in the media....the man may well be a bit of an eccentric (odd ball if you like) but he's a 100% pro of the first order and would stand no nonsense whatsoever.The players would be shaken to their foundations......... make no mistake.
We think of PDC as a passionate unpridictable, well fruitcake.
But as SoundAs points out Curbs himself declared PDC was methodical and dedicated, leaving no stone unturned.
Plus that amazing passion and overflowing desire to be a winner.
We are certainly lacking a man motivator in the dressing room, someone to instill belief into players, someone to tell each player that he believed they were the best, now go out on the park and prove it to me.
He might need some assistance with organisation and tactics, but could be one half of a dream ticket.
[cite]Posted By: American_Addick[/cite]For what it is worth, John Hughes has the passion, and positive experience being a manager. And he's on record as being interested.
I realise Hughes is your No1 choice AA....and to be honest he's my second.....but PDC wins it for me.
Just looked up what Curbs says in his book and it's pretty convincing. Starts with a lovely story of when he goes to meet Paulo for the first time and shows him the history of CAFC video. According to Curbs it ''caught his imagination" immediately and he asked if he could keep the video.
Then: "As soon as Paulo arrived he lifted the place and the other players could see he was taking the whole thing seriously and wasn't just with us to take the money...he showed real professionalism from the start and I think he warmed to us straight away. ..he took on board exactly what we were about as a club." So no question that he knows, admires and respects 'the Charlton way'.
Curbs then talks about what a role model PDC was to the young and unproven Scott Parker, and how he helped in his development as a player.
None of the above is the same as managing, I know. But Curbs is a good judge of character and there's plenty in what he says about Paulo to suggest that the bloke has many of the attributes conventionally seen as requirements for the job. Combined with his less conventional flair and audacity, he might just turn out to be an exceptional manager.
A risk? Yes. But we've played safe with Parky and look what happened. And what have we got left to lose? We're heading for div one anyway. Paulo might just be mad enough to believe he can get us out of it. And if he can get the players believing that as well, then who knows?
I don't like the idea of getting a manager in and telling them they have to work with Kinsella and Powell. They should be able to choose their own staff. Though I think the board will feel they must keep Kinsella here, especially after losing Robson.
[quote][cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: American_Addick[/cite]For what it is worth, John Hughes has the passion, and positive experience being a manager. And he's on record as being interested.[/quote]
I realise Hughes is your No1 choice AA....and to be honest he's my second.....but PDC wins it for me.[/quote]
Not necessarily my first choice, only someone that should be seriously considered. I'd want to know who else is in the frame before making a choice. Hughes said he'd be up for it, and I hope he is considered.
Then: "As soon as Paulo arrived he lifted the place and the other players could see he was taking the whole thing seriously and wasn't just with us to take the money...he showed real professionalism from the start and I think he warmed to us straight away. ..he took on board exactly what we were about as a club." So no question that he knows, admires and respects 'the Charlton way'.
Curbs then talks about what a role model PDC was to the young and unproven Scott Parker, and how he helped in his development as a player.
Good post, Nigel. Well reserrched too.
2 points:
1) "...As soon as Paulo arrived he lifted the place..."
In my opinion it's principally what we need to break the stinking thinking of defeatism amongst players.
Break that, and we've got a chance.
2)The Scott Parker thing. It was Parker's season when he came of age as a player, won his 1st England cap and Charlton should have finished in Europe. Curbs also rightly gets the credit.
But the club's success that season - how much creedance is given to the Paulo Di Canio factor ...... ?
Di Canio played a very important part that season. Set up a lot of goals and probably involved in the build up to a lot of them, plus he scored a few penalties himself. We certainly wouldn't have done as well that year without him.
Would have loved to have had him at the same time we had Bent scoring regularly. He never got to play alongside a real goalscorer.
But I would hazard a guess and say he was also a huge and charismatic influence amongst players behind the scenes.
We're definitely lacking that now - from players and management.
Yeah I was going to say I thought he probably was.
Completely different as a manager though, he'd probably have a lot to learn but as BigRedEvil said I'd imagine it either going really well or very badly.
Yes, PDC is not the 'norm' for a lower league manager, but neither is Martinez at Swansea, Di Matteo at MK Dons and both seem to be doing well. In the month Sousa has been there, i've noticed a distinct improvement in QPR's approach to playing football as well.
PDC has the reputation as an unpredictable genius, we'll the longer this poxy run of not winning a game goes on, the more it becomes appealing that that is quite possibly the most likely chance we have of breaking this despair.
In management you learn from those you have served under and find a fit that suits you. PDC has played for some of the biggest clubs in European football, and in turn, under some of the best managers such as Cappello and Trappatoni, along with lnown experienced English managers such as Redknapp and Curbs.
Whether a success or a flop, he would not be here long and at present i am starting to err towards the side of we really don't have too much else to lose.
Totaly agree with the last few posts, we are desperate for a change in the whole atmosphere of the club.
Playing it safe has been proven to be the wrong approach over the past couple of seasons.
We need some sort of flame to ignite this GREAT club of OURS and i truely belive PDC could be the one to do this, ok he has no track record and it could all go wrong but what do we have to lose? we could get a nice safe manager in and still be relegated.
If you want to avoid relegation you have to show some balls and now its time for the board to do that with their next appointment.
Have I got anything to add...Not really but I just want to keep this thread at the top of the agenda because I think its important and hope the board might see it. Agree totally with AFKA
I'm not in favour of Di Canio being manager but this isn't a normal situiation, it's clear that there is a malaise over the club and the players are lacking in confidence and perhaps it needs an usual appointment to lift things and motivate players and crowd. As others have said, I don't think we have a bad squad just one that isn't fulfilling its potential or playing with any cohesiveness or team spirit. Di Canio might just be the factor that unites things.
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Throwing an inexperienced manager into this mess may be nothing short of suicide.
And just because someone was an inspirational character as a player does not mean they will be able to duplicate it as a manager. We need look no further than Bryan Robson to learn that.
Still it would be interesting.
AA....there are as many posters on here as there are opinions....who knows if what you've just posted is the case or not...it's the ideal I'd say but we don't have time for ideal do we?
Opinions are like arseholes AA...We all have one!
Are you saying that Di Canio is unstable as well as inexperienced? ;-)
Throwing an inexperienced manager into this mess may be nothing short of suicide.
And just because someone was an inspirational character as a player does not mean they will be able to duplicate it as a manager. We need look no further than Bryan Robson to learn that.[/quote]
AA....there are as many posters on here as there are opinions....who knows if what you've just posted is the case or not...it's the ideal I'd say but we don't have time for ideal do we?
Opinions are like arseholes AA...We all have one![/quote]
I'd just say that it is my opinion that, given the mess we are presently in, that someone with experience has a better chance of pulling us out of it than someone with no managerial experience.
I'd be happy to be proven wrong, if something else worked.
We have this on very good authority from Curbs both in his book and in the media....the man may well be a bit of an eccentric (odd ball if you like) but he's a 100% pro of the first order and would stand no nonsense whatsoever.The players would be shaken to their foundations......... make no mistake.
But as SoundAs points out Curbs himself declared PDC was methodical and dedicated, leaving no stone unturned.
Plus that amazing passion and overflowing desire to be a winner.
We are certainly lacking a man motivator in the dressing room, someone to instill belief into players, someone to tell each player that he believed they were the best, now go out on the park and prove it to me.
He might need some assistance with organisation and tactics, but could be one half of a dream ticket.
I realise Hughes is your No1 choice AA....and to be honest he's my second.....but PDC wins it for me.
who wont take it
* anyone in a job ---- we cant afford the compo
* davies as there is history between him and Muzza
* Curbs why would he risk it ?
Then: "As soon as Paulo arrived he lifted the place and the other players could see he was taking the whole thing seriously and wasn't just with us to take the money...he showed real professionalism from the start and I think he warmed to us straight away. ..he took on board exactly what we were about as a club." So no question that he knows, admires and respects 'the Charlton way'.
Curbs then talks about what a role model PDC was to the young and unproven Scott Parker, and how he helped in his development as a player.
None of the above is the same as managing, I know. But Curbs is a good judge of character and there's plenty in what he says about Paulo to suggest that the bloke has many of the attributes conventionally seen as requirements for the job. Combined with his less conventional flair and audacity, he might just turn out to be an exceptional manager.
A risk? Yes. But we've played safe with Parky and look what happened. And what have we got left to lose? We're heading for div one anyway. Paulo might just be mad enough to believe he can get us out of it. And if he can get the players believing that as well, then who knows?
I realise Hughes is your No1 choice AA....and to be honest he's my second.....but PDC wins it for me.[/quote]
Not necessarily my first choice, only someone that should be seriously considered.
I'd want to know who else is in the frame before making a choice.
Hughes said he'd be up for it, and I hope he is considered.
Good post, Nigel. Well reserrched too.
2 points:
1) "...As soon as Paulo arrived he lifted the place..."
In my opinion it's principally what we need to break the stinking thinking of defeatism amongst players.
Break that, and we've got a chance.
2)The Scott Parker thing. It was Parker's season when he came of age as a player, won his 1st England cap and Charlton should have finished in Europe. Curbs also rightly gets the credit.
But the club's success that season - how much creedance is given to the Paulo Di Canio factor ...... ?
Would have loved to have had him at the same time we had Bent scoring regularly. He never got to play alongside a real goalscorer.
But I would hazard a guess and say he was also a huge and charismatic influence amongst players behind the scenes.
We're definitely lacking that now - from players and management.
Completely different as a manager though, he'd probably have a lot to learn but as BigRedEvil said I'd imagine it either going really well or very badly.
And he would be balanced by an assistant more earthed, with feet on ground?
Now that could be a dream ticket.
But I doubt we could afford a new manager and assistant - unless it was Kins.
Yes, PDC is not the 'norm' for a lower league manager, but neither is Martinez at Swansea, Di Matteo at MK Dons and both seem to be doing well. In the month Sousa has been there, i've noticed a distinct improvement in QPR's approach to playing football as well.
PDC has the reputation as an unpredictable genius, we'll the longer this poxy run of not winning a game goes on, the more it becomes appealing that that is quite possibly the most likely chance we have of breaking this despair.
In management you learn from those you have served under and find a fit that suits you. PDC has played for some of the biggest clubs in European football, and in turn, under some of the best managers such as Cappello and Trappatoni, along with lnown experienced English managers such as Redknapp and Curbs.
Whether a success or a flop, he would not be here long and at present i am starting to err towards the side of we really don't have too much else to lose.
Playing it safe has been proven to be the wrong approach over the past couple of seasons.
We need some sort of flame to ignite this GREAT club of OURS and i truely belive PDC could be the one to do this, ok he has no track record and it could all go wrong but what do we have to lose? we could get a nice safe manager in and still be relegated.
If you want to avoid relegation you have to show some balls and now its time for the board to do that with their next appointment.
alas i feel we wont :-(
PAULO DI CANIO
*over and over again ;o)
That's what I can see happening, Parkinson or someone similar, not a manager with no experience.