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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic vs Stockport County: Saturday 19th October 2024: KO 15:00
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It might be daft, not very clever, but it definitely doesn't embarrass me.cafcsinger said:Love Nathan Jones but it’s embarrassing how often he gets booked.1 -
We have some very strange fans who seem to want to be negative doomsayers at every opportunity. If it had been a drab game then the Xg stats would have been splashed all over this thread as evidence of how shit we are! But oh no, zero mention of it but instead lots of banging on about Alfie May.Yes I’d have liked him to stay but he didn’t want to. Maybe in part due to his relationship NJ but more likely his family’s wishes and a whopping pay rise (for which I don’t blame him).Come on lads. Credit where it’s due. We created loads and that’s after a freak incident which led to us going behind early doors. We deserved to win that game hands down and of course we can always say we need and should have been more clinical but sometimes it just doesn’t go in.Fully in agreement to lambast them for performances such as that at Bristol R but let’s have a bit of positivity after playing well in the last two games. Hopefully a turning point in our season 🙏🏼24 -
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Preparation
-surely someone must have researched the opposition and warned the defence about the long range of the opposition GK?
defenders were desperately trying to get back and surprised by the length of clearance for their goal.
Awareness
- Gillesphy is not aware of the attacker on his right cutting in until its too late in the conceded goal.
- Anderson lays the ball off to the right in an attack (on EFL highlights) when Godden was in abetter position to the left. He doesn't appear to look around except to the RHS where he delivers the ball to TC.
Overall a good entertainment, we were thwarted by the opposition GK who made some decent saves.1 -
Presumably you didn't watch the game where he ran them ragged at times?lancashire lad said:Leaburn didn't score any goals and didn't provide any assists, surely those are the reasons for him being in the side, so he wasn't very good then????? - mmmm??????1 -
Mannion cleared the ball with his hand and then collided with their player.Stig said:Surprised there hasn't been much talk about the penalty. Is the consensus here that it was fair? From where I sat, it looked like Mannion was absolutely right to challenge and that he won the ball first. Expected people on here to be fuming about it.
For the most part it was a dull game against a bunch of spoilers, officiated by a buffoon of the highest order. The time wasting antics are beyond a joke now. This has to be stopped, it is ruining the game. And yes, I would say exactly the same if it was us.
Thought Leaburn coming on made a huge difference for us. Both in upping the skill level and the atmosphere. The last half hour was a joy to watch; the first hour, not so much. I love the way that Leaburn's physicality belies his skill. He's much like Chucks in that respect. I'd love to see the pair of them up front terrorising defences. Though I suppose we'll never see that for more than twenty minutes at a time.
Years ago that is not a foul.
What is the law now, I don't know?
I do know that in the Liverpool v Chelsea game, a similar incident occurred, albeit the ball was on the deck.
The Chelsea goalie kicked the ball first and then clattered the player and a penalty wasn't given.
So I don't think Stockport should have had a penalty.
All I can say in defence of the referee, was it was far clearer from behind the goal and not clear watching on TV or presumably from the ref's view.0 -
Carles Puyol comes to mind too…fenaddick said:Lisandro Martinez is 5ft9 and plays in the PL and is better than any of our defenders. Height is important, but it isn’t everything0 -
https://youtu.be/U8YFnp_0Gkw?si=z3UERRMhQxi-Whcd
Post match stuff, mainly it's me moaning about how shit the ref was, if that's anyone's cup of tea, cheers9 -
Don’t think Mannion cleared the ball?Covered End said:
Mannion cleared the ball and then collided with their player.Stig said:Surprised there hasn't been much talk about the penalty. Is the consensus here that it was fair? From where I sat, it looked like Mannion was absolutely right to challenge and that he won the ball first. Expected people on here to be fuming about it.
For the most part it was a dull game against a bunch of spoilers, officiated by a buffoon of the highest order. The time wasting antics are beyond a joke now. This has to be stopped, it is ruining the game. And yes, I would say exactly the same if it was us.
Thought Leaburn coming on made a huge difference for us. Both in upping the skill level and the atmosphere. The last half hour was a joy to watch; the first hour, not so much. I love the way that Leaburn's physicality belies his skill. He's much like Chucks in that respect. I'd love to see the pair of them up front terrorising defences. Though I suppose we'll never see that for more than twenty minutes at a time.
Years ago that is not a foul.
What is the law now, I don't know?
I do know that in the Liverpool v Chelsea game a similar incident occurred, albeit the ball was on the deck.
The Chelsea goalie kicked the ball first and then clattered the player and a penalty wasn't given.
So I don't think Stockport should have had a penalty.
All I can say in defence of the referee, was it was far clearer from behind the goal than watching on TV and presumably from the ref's view.1 -
5 of us sitting together in the middle of the Upper Covered End right behind the incident all saw Mannion clear the ball before clattering into their player.Weegie Addick said:
Don’t think Mannion cleared the ball?Covered End said:
Mannion cleared the ball and then collided with their player.Stig said:Surprised there hasn't been much talk about the penalty. Is the consensus here that it was fair? From where I sat, it looked like Mannion was absolutely right to challenge and that he won the ball first. Expected people on here to be fuming about it.
For the most part it was a dull game against a bunch of spoilers, officiated by a buffoon of the highest order. The time wasting antics are beyond a joke now. This has to be stopped, it is ruining the game. And yes, I would say exactly the same if it was us.
Thought Leaburn coming on made a huge difference for us. Both in upping the skill level and the atmosphere. The last half hour was a joy to watch; the first hour, not so much. I love the way that Leaburn's physicality belies his skill. He's much like Chucks in that respect. I'd love to see the pair of them up front terrorising defences. Though I suppose we'll never see that for more than twenty minutes at a time.
Years ago that is not a foul.
What is the law now, I don't know?
I do know that in the Liverpool v Chelsea game a similar incident occurred, albeit the ball was on the deck.
The Chelsea goalie kicked the ball first and then clattered the player and a penalty wasn't given.
So I don't think Stockport should have had a penalty.
All I can say in defence of the referee, was it was far clearer from behind the goal than watching on TV and presumably from the ref's view.
You can't see it on TV, but it was clear from behind Mannion.3 - Sponsored links:
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The way I look at it is, if Mannion hadn't touched the ball, then it's a pen, seeing as he touched it, if anything, it should have been our free kick, as their played went into Mannion.Covered End said:
Mannion cleared the ball with his hand and then collided with their player.Stig said:Surprised there hasn't been much talk about the penalty. Is the consensus here that it was fair? From where I sat, it looked like Mannion was absolutely right to challenge and that he won the ball first. Expected people on here to be fuming about it.
For the most part it was a dull game against a bunch of spoilers, officiated by a buffoon of the highest order. The time wasting antics are beyond a joke now. This has to be stopped, it is ruining the game. And yes, I would say exactly the same if it was us.
Thought Leaburn coming on made a huge difference for us. Both in upping the skill level and the atmosphere. The last half hour was a joy to watch; the first hour, not so much. I love the way that Leaburn's physicality belies his skill. He's much like Chucks in that respect. I'd love to see the pair of them up front terrorising defences. Though I suppose we'll never see that for more than twenty minutes at a time.
Years ago that is not a foul.
What is the law now, I don't know?0 -
Well Jones was adamant it wasn’t a penalty in the South London Press article talking about soft contact.guinnessaddick said:
The way I look at it is, if Mannion hadn't touched the ball, then it's a pen, seeing as he touched it, if anything, it should have been our free kick, as their played went into Mannion.Covered End said:
Mannion cleared the ball with his hand and then collided with their player.Stig said:Surprised there hasn't been much talk about the penalty. Is the consensus here that it was fair? From where I sat, it looked like Mannion was absolutely right to challenge and that he won the ball first. Expected people on here to be fuming about it.
For the most part it was a dull game against a bunch of spoilers, officiated by a buffoon of the highest order. The time wasting antics are beyond a joke now. This has to be stopped, it is ruining the game. And yes, I would say exactly the same if it was us.
Thought Leaburn coming on made a huge difference for us. Both in upping the skill level and the atmosphere. The last half hour was a joy to watch; the first hour, not so much. I love the way that Leaburn's physicality belies his skill. He's much like Chucks in that respect. I'd love to see the pair of them up front terrorising defences. Though I suppose we'll never see that for more than twenty minutes at a time.
Years ago that is not a foul.
What is the law now, I don't know?
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Has still got as many League goals (5) than our 6 strikers combined.Callumcafc said:
May has scored 1 in his last 8 for context.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Hardly surprising after yesterday because if May had been playing I'd have put good money on us winning that game.eastterrace6168 said:Can always count on the “If only we had May” comments to come up if we don’t win a game…😴
His replacement Godden had a stinker and our other new striker Ahadme had probably his best game of the season for us sitting up in the stand.
I think Jones was mad forcing May out and it is a decision that will come back to haunt him big time.
Godden 3
Aneke 1
Ahadme 1
Kanu 0
Campbell 0
Leaburn 0
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Good video @Braziliance...Braziliance said:https://youtu.be/U8YFnp_0Gkw?si=z3UERRMhQxi-Whcd
Post match stuff, mainly it's me moaning about how shit the ref was, if that's anyone's cup of tea, cheers
I will say you were very reserved in your condemnation of the ref, the guy was a dick of the first order, and deserves to be relegated to National League level.
Watched on stream, so didn't see the keeper actually go down, but it was so pre planned it was ridiculous and needs stamping out, at least the rest of the team have to remain in the centre circle while it lasts...
Fair play for your coverage again, and look forward to watching the Barnsley and Wrexham victory coverage...🍺🍺1 -
Unpopular opinion but that’s kind of ok. The idea wasn’t that Godden or Ahadme come in and score the same amount of goals as May but that goals are more spread out across the team which is more sustainable in the long rungolfaddick said:
Has still got as many League goals (5) than our 6 strikers combined.Callumcafc said:
May has scored 1 in his last 8 for context.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Hardly surprising after yesterday because if May had been playing I'd have put good money on us winning that game.eastterrace6168 said:Can always count on the “If only we had May” comments to come up if we don’t win a game…😴
His replacement Godden had a stinker and our other new striker Ahadme had probably his best game of the season for us sitting up in the stand.
I think Jones was mad forcing May out and it is a decision that will come back to haunt him big time.
Godden 3
Aneke 1
Ahadme 1
Kanu 0
Campbell 0
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Alfie May only got a whopping pay rise because we wanted to sell him. He didnt put in a transfer request knowing that Brum were going to pay him £15k per week.if anything he was just about to sign for Huddersfield for a lot less.Taxi_Lad said:We have some very strange fans who seem to want to be negative doomsayers at every opportunity. If it had been a drab game then the Xg stats would have been splashed all over this thread as evidence of how shit we are! But oh no, zero mention of it but instead lots of banging on about Alfie May.Yes I’d have liked him to stay but he didn’t want to. Maybe in part due to his relationship NJ but more likely his family’s wishes and a whopping pay rise (for which I don’t blame him).Come on lads. Credit where it’s due. We created loads and that’s after a freak incident which led to us going behind early doors. We deserved to win that game hands down and of course we can always say we need and should have been more clinical but sometimes it just doesn’t go in.Fully in agreement to lambast them for performances such as that at Bristol R but let’s have a bit of positivity after playing well in the last two games. Hopefully a turning point in our season 🙏🏼
Does my nut in all this rewriting of history.
He's gone & I respect that. But please dont try telling me that we are better without him.11 -
Nice vid again mate, good to meet you. Forgot I said we'd miss Lloyd Jones, shame that turned out to be true. Agree with your assessment at the end - probably our best all-round performance and hopefully things are starting to click nowBraziliance said:https://youtu.be/U8YFnp_0Gkw?si=z3UERRMhQxi-Whcd
Post match stuff, mainly it's me moaning about how shit the ref was, if that's anyone's cup of tea, cheers
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Mannion started to come for the ball, but then changed his mind. My initial view was that if he had been more decisive in the first place, the situation could have been avoided. I may be being a bit harsh though.Gribbo said:
I can't see what else Mannion could've done tbh. He can't just stop dead avoiding all contact, but under current interpretations, maybe that is still a penalty?Stig said:Surprised there hasn't been much talk about the penalty. Is the consensus here that it was fair? From where I sat, it looked like Mannion was absolutely right to challenge and that he won the ball first. Expected people on here to be fuming about it.
For the most part it was a dull game against a bunch of spoilers, officiated by a buffoon of the highest order. The time wasting antics are beyond a joke now. This has to be stopped, it is ruining the game. And yes, I would say exactly the same if it was us.
Thought Leaburn coming on made a huge difference for us. Both in upping the skill level and the atmosphere. The last half hour was a joy to watch; the first hour, not so much. I love the way that Leaburn's physicality belies his skill. He's much like Chucks in that respect. I'd love to see the pair of them up front terrorising defences. Though I suppose we'll never see that for more than twenty minutes at a time.
Genuinely don't know.1 -
Mannion had the sun in his eyes and no cap on, leading to his indecision I guess.5
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It’s been a bugbear of mine for years , that winter sun for afternoon matches is right at The Covered End goal and each and every divvy keeper appears not to bother with a cap, essential equipment for a lower league keeper .Always better to have the option if required .Southbank said:Mannion had the sun in his eyes and no cap on, leading to his indecision I guess.2 - Sponsored links:
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They don't want to mess their hair up.2
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Think you are having a laugh, first half their keeper made at least 3 decent saves, 2nd half we could have had a pen, think ref cost us 2 points, he was absolute rubbish. Perhaps you stayed in the Royal Oak or Prince or (King) of Denmark got pissed and didn't go to the game?Billy_Mix said:If NJ really thinks that was alright he’s madder than he looks
it was almost as shit as the Rovers game or Shrewsbury
the standard is execrable
defensively it is awful save for Ramsey!
attack is toothless
12th flatters that blundering unimaginative rabble of dimwits and clunkers
Taylor mostly looked adequate and Mannion had nothing to do everybody else needs lots of work1 -
The problem with Docherty is he’s a sideways or backwards passer . You can’t fault his work rate but he’s just a bit too safe .Covered End said:
Docherty is so anonymous/invisible that I don't notice whether he is on or off the pitch.Valiantphil said:Started the wrong 11 as usual.Played the most boring, negative football for 45 mins.Brought on 2 decent tactical subs but took off Doc instead of Karoy.Entertaining second half to earn a point, which puts us mid table.Nothing to get excited about for this season.0 -
He didn’t . At the time I didn’t think it was a pen but seeing the replay , the ref had no choice. It’s the defenders, though , that put Mannion in that position in the first place .Weegie Addick said:
Don’t think Mannion cleared the ball?Covered End said:
Mannion cleared the ball and then collided with their player.Stig said:Surprised there hasn't been much talk about the penalty. Is the consensus here that it was fair? From where I sat, it looked like Mannion was absolutely right to challenge and that he won the ball first. Expected people on here to be fuming about it.
For the most part it was a dull game against a bunch of spoilers, officiated by a buffoon of the highest order. The time wasting antics are beyond a joke now. This has to be stopped, it is ruining the game. And yes, I would say exactly the same if it was us.
Thought Leaburn coming on made a huge difference for us. Both in upping the skill level and the atmosphere. The last half hour was a joy to watch; the first hour, not so much. I love the way that Leaburn's physicality belies his skill. He's much like Chucks in that respect. I'd love to see the pair of them up front terrorising defences. Though I suppose we'll never see that for more than twenty minutes at a time.
Years ago that is not a foul.
What is the law now, I don't know?
I do know that in the Liverpool v Chelsea game a similar incident occurred, albeit the ball was on the deck.
The Chelsea goalie kicked the ball first and then clattered the player and a penalty wasn't given.
So I don't think Stockport should have had a penalty.
All I can say in defence of the referee, was it was far clearer from behind the goal than watching on TV and presumably from the ref's view.
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As I said above you 100% can't see that he cleared the ball on the TV/highlights and I'm sure anyone watching on the highlights thinks I need to go to Specsavers.Bedsaddick said:
He didn’t . At the time I didn’t think it was a pen but seeing the replay , the ref had no choice. It’s the defenders, though , that put Mannion in that position in the first place .Weegie Addick said:
Don’t think Mannion cleared the ball?Covered End said:
Mannion cleared the ball and then collided with their player.Stig said:Surprised there hasn't been much talk about the penalty. Is the consensus here that it was fair? From where I sat, it looked like Mannion was absolutely right to challenge and that he won the ball first. Expected people on here to be fuming about it.
For the most part it was a dull game against a bunch of spoilers, officiated by a buffoon of the highest order. The time wasting antics are beyond a joke now. This has to be stopped, it is ruining the game. And yes, I would say exactly the same if it was us.
Thought Leaburn coming on made a huge difference for us. Both in upping the skill level and the atmosphere. The last half hour was a joy to watch; the first hour, not so much. I love the way that Leaburn's physicality belies his skill. He's much like Chucks in that respect. I'd love to see the pair of them up front terrorising defences. Though I suppose we'll never see that for more than twenty minutes at a time.
Years ago that is not a foul.
What is the law now, I don't know?
I do know that in the Liverpool v Chelsea game a similar incident occurred, albeit the ball was on the deck.
The Chelsea goalie kicked the ball first and then clattered the player and a penalty wasn't given.
So I don't think Stockport should have had a penalty.
All I can say in defence of the referee, was it was far clearer from behind the goal than watching on TV and presumably from the ref's view.
But you could from behind the goal. All 5 of us thought so.0 -
Have a Stockholm syndrome like.golfaddick said:Much better team with Leaburn & Berry in it.
TC should start out wide. Wasted as a striker.
Dixon looks handy.0 -
I did watch and saw that Leaburn might "have run them ragged" but it did not achieve anything i.e. no goals no assists , so what good did he do except excite some fansCovered End said:
Presumably you didn't watch the game where he ran them ragged at times?lancashire lad said:Leaburn didn't score any goals and didn't provide any assists, surely those are the reasons for him being in the side, so he wasn't very good then????? - mmmm??????2 -
100%. Massively depleted without Jones. Zak isn’t that player as yet.NabySarr said:
Was the foul by Mannion? Or was it by Gillesphey pushing the striker into Mannion?fenaddick said:Not sure what else Mannion could do but realistically if it’s at the other end we’d be screaming for a penalty. The problem comes earlier, Gillesphey should have dealt with itIf we are changing to 4 at the back we need a new centre back in January. Don’t trust Gillesphey at all in a back 40 -
You collated the marks and saw he was ranked our 2nd best player.lancashire lad said:
I did watch and saw that Leaburn might "have run them ragged" but it did not achieve anything i.e. no goals no assists , so what good did he do except excite some fansCovered End said:
Presumably you didn't watch the game where he ran them ragged at times?lancashire lad said:Leaburn didn't score any goals and didn't provide any assists, surely those are the reasons for him being in the side, so he wasn't very good then????? - mmmm??????
A player cannot be judged solely on his goals and assists, that would be foolish in the extreme.
I'll say no more on the subject.0 -
