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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic vs Stockport County: Saturday 19th October 2024: KO 15:00

LoOkOuT
LoOkOuT Posts: 10,855
edited October 2024 in General Charlton
Charlton returned to action at the Valley this weekend in hopes of continuing where they left off against Birmingham before the long international break. Some enforced and some elected changes to starting eleven were made, but the new box midfield formation persisted. 

Charlton got off to a shaky start but found their rhythm in the first few minutes. But that was short lived, when a catastrophic bit of defending saw a long, looping ball bounce into the box, with Gillesphey wrestling his man and Mitchell unable to deal with it, Mannion barreled through the centre of the mélé and, ultimately, straight through the Stockport centre forward to concede a penalty after only 11 minutes. Once the penalty was scored, Charlton had a hard afternoon’s work to come back from a goal behind against a resolute and well organised Stockport team in good away form.

It was Charlton that had the better of play after the restart, with Terry the Taylor measuring crosses (and particularly dangerous set pieces) and stitching together things in the centre of the pitch, and Tyreece Campbell running at hapless defenders and creating chaos across the Stockport back line. Though there were a number of chances, the quality needed to see them through was once again lacking. To compound the frustration, Kayne Ramsay went down with a serious-looking knee injury that saw him replaced by Rarmani Edmonds-Green just before halftime.

Things continued Charlton’s way in the second half, with Stockport legs tiring early. Charlton piled on the pressure, until Edmonds-Green got on the end of a rebounding Tyreece Campbell shot and knocked home the equaliser. With the bit between their teeth, Charlton pressed on looking for the winner, whilst Stockport looked dead on their feet, taking every opportunity to waste time and force breaks to the Addicks’ rhythm. Miles Leaburn entered the game and immediately caused havoc. There were multiple opportunities towards the end of the match, but a lack of finesse and even a small touch of luck meant that there was not to be a winner. Kaheim Dixon came on in the last few minutes and made a bit of an impact as well. 

My man of the match for the Addicks was Terry Taylor, who made a major contribution in place of the suspended Conor Coventry. We quite obviously still short of the necessary quality to make an impression at the very top of the table and this was a case of two points dropped, rather than one gained.

Charlton Athletic 1 Stockport County 1

Over to you.


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  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380

    Sometimes it just doesn’t go your way. Deserved more from the game, and there were some positives, for sure. 

    Lloyd Jones was a massive miss. Without him we’re aerially vulnerable at the back. 

    We also really lacked that big man up front, and we looked a different proposition when Miles came on. Going forward, if he can stay fit, I can see us scoring a lot more goals. He looked dangerous every time he got the ball, and could have scored a hattrick in the relatively short time he was on the pitch.

    And another big positive for me was Karoy Anderson who is growing as a presence on the pitch with each game. I thought he was excellent today. 

    Btw, did Stockport set a record today when they started time wasting in the 12th minute? Had they won, I think I’d have been on the pitch. 

  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    edited October 2024
    I think saying that's our best attacking performance this season isn't really in doubt. I would say creating chances-wise this was better than the Bolton game too. 

    But again you look at it as a missed opportunity because we are allergic to scoring. Can't blame anyone else for not winning really, we had more than enough chances to kill the game off but couldn't. 

    Extra word for REG who I thought did very well going forward when he came on for Ramsay. 

    Questions do need to be asked about why our best attacking moments happen when some of our best midfielders (Coventry, Campbell and Docherty) weren't on the pitch. Coincidence or? 
  • TheHerminator
    TheHerminator Posts: 751
    Genuinely feel like the team is coming together now. Taylor superb. Leaburn is going to be in the prem one day.
    Dominated from start to finish. 
    Ref appalling. 
    Need to take our chances.
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,736
    How we didn’t win that I don’t know.  Great game of football to watch on our part and that’s thanks to Taylor and his set pieces. He won’t play Tuesday but I’m looking forward to playing next Saturday. 
    Anderson was great too.
  • supaclive
    supaclive Posts: 6,514
    Godden is much better with a centre forward next to him.  Leaburn will batter sides if he stays fit.

    TT delivers great set pieces.

    If Jones and Ramsey are out for long, we'll suffer defensively.

    Frustrating we can't stay fit.  Frustrating the manager doesn't play players in their best positions.

    The midfield just looks confused most of the time. 
  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,252
    Don't agree about Taylor. His set pieces are generally good but his passing was too negative and he was slow and caught in possession too often. Until we switched to 433 the midfield  as a whole was ineffective, as too often this season.
  • ArmchairAddick
    ArmchairAddick Posts: 417
    edited October 2024
    Got my comment on the match thread just as it closed, so I'm going to cheekily copy it here 😜

    All us really. Rue the missed chances, but top notch work rate. We really need Taylor on a regular basis. Someone who can actually stick the ball where it's needed makes such a difference. Ramsay's injury a concern, but think REG did well stepping in.

    Regardless of the result, that second half was edge of your seat stuff, loved it. And a draw today almost certainly means we'll win next Saturday when I make the trek up there right? Right? 

    Oh and timewasting and shit refereeing, sadly just seems par for the course these days.
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    Considering how well Stockport have started the season we made them look very very ordinary.

    Frustrating that we defended poorly for their goal, penalty or not, and then just failed to capitalise on the chances we had.

    Im not disheartened by that game at all, and considering how tight the league currently is, I think if we continue to match the performances of the last couple of games we will be alright.

    But there lays the problem, can we keep it up. 
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  • LoOkOuT
    LoOkOuT Posts: 10,855
    Hard to see their penalty with Lloyd Jones at the back, as he would have got his head to the initial ball. Unfortunate he was out.
  • LoOkOuT
    LoOkOuT Posts: 10,855
    Southbank said:
    Don't agree about Taylor. His set pieces are generally good but his passing was too negative and he was slow and caught in possession too often. Until we switched to 433 the midfield  as a whole was ineffective, as too often this season.
    Only at the end when he was blowing out his arse. He’s not played much and was knackered before coming off late.
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,736
    Southbank said:
    Don't agree about Taylor. His set pieces are generally good but his passing was too negative and he was slow and caught in possession too often. Until we switched to 433 the midfield  as a whole was ineffective, as too often this season.
    Thanks Nathan …
  • king addick
    king addick Posts: 3,699
    ForeverAddickted said:

    I know it might be an unpopular opinion but that Stockport side is way better than ours


    Not unpopular...just stupid. 
  • KettsJohn
    KettsJohn Posts: 1,210
    Much more like what I want to see today. TT delivery was what it had been hyped up to be. Hopefully we can keep improving. Hope Jones & Chuks injuries are niggles. Really disappointed for Ramsey. Didn't look good so expecting him to be out for a long period. Should have won of course but encouraged by the level of performance. Hopefully can get a win at Barnsley now.
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,168

    Enjoyed that!

    Disappointing result, and a game in which we’d had enough chances to win it but loads to be encouraged by, in my opinion. 

    Firstly, it was a similarly dominant showing to what we did to Birmingham. The question pre match was “was the Birmingham performance a one off?”, well today we showed it wasn’t against another decent side that have started the season very well.

    Secondly, Taylor was very good and we didn’t miss Coventry because of it. Pllus he added some attacking threat with some incisive forward passes and dangerous set pieces. Can they play together at the base of the box?

    Thirdly, Leaburn looked well up for it and made a difference coming off the bench. More to come from him as he gets sharper. 

    Finally, and the biggest positive, there was some pattern to our play in attack and we opened them up a few times. 

    The run of wins at the start of the season were great but we were too often asking ourselves “how did we win that?”. Today we are saying “how did we NOT win that?”. Results are the most important thing but over a whole season you can’t consistently get good results from poor performances so I am hugely encouraged by the performances we’ve put in either side of the international break. They are much better omen that we can challenge for something this season. 

    Now the big conundrum for Nathan Jones to solve is: how get that bit of quality into the final third? The final ball needs to be better at the key moments, both in terms of picking the right option and then the sharpness and accuracy of the passing/crossing. If we can get that right we’ll potentially be a very good side but it’s not an easy problem to solve.

  • Smithy
    Smithy Posts: 1,022
    A lot of positives to take from that. We’ve struggled to create chances all season but that was not a problem today, just some poor finishing and good goalkeeping. The ref was truly the worst I’ve ever seen and on the whole I will take a point, because he could have made it so much worse. We did it with several important players out which is comforting and Leaburn played the Aneke role + running. 

    It is disappointing to come away without 3 points after dominating, but our formation change seems to have really sparked us back to life, and if that is the standard of teams challenging for the top 6, I am quietly confident about our chances 
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,484
    Thought it was a decent enough team performance today, but need to be getting all 3 from these games. 
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,510
    Look out Barnsley and Wrexham, someone is gonna pay for the stolen result, we couldn't have done any more to win that, and their goal lived had a charmed life, with chance after chance getting blocked or missing the post by inches, and as for that so called ref...words fail me...
    Keep up that kind of performance and with Coventry back into contention, we will climb the table, one thing was obvious, we missed Jones at the back greatly, and Gillesphey is just not the answer, what a difference it would have been should Zach have been available...
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  • James86
    James86 Posts: 329
    Actually enjoyed the game. Don't know how we didn’t win. 2 points dropped. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,031
    I think that was a really good performance. Apart from the penalty and about 5 mins after we scored Stockport didn’t challenge our box. They have the 5th best defence in the league and looked like conceding to us every 5/10 minutes. They’ve had a great start to the season and have the momentum from last seasons promotion. 

    Apart from the penalty Barry was anonymous, REG did well coming on for Ramsay, TC gave their defenders nightmares, Leaburn looked dangerous, Edwards solid, TT’s delivery excellent and Dixon had a terrific bit of skill to set Leaburn up to nearly win it. 

    Another day and that’s a comfortable win. Similar performance again on Tuesday and Saturday and we could come away from the week with 7 points 
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 10,934
    We battered them from start to finish. After a lot of hype - I thought they were totally hopeless tbh. Useless team - other than their keeper who aside from the ridiculous cheating and play acting made some good saves.

    Taylor put in a performance that had me wondering why he hasn’t been anywhere near the starting line up. 

    Miles Leaburn is a simply phenomenal footballer - there isn’t much else to say.

    I think NJ will always be on the point of blowing emotionally. He is full of passion and it’s hard to manage. But I also honestly think he simply has to get these players in the play offs and he knows it.

    With Leaburn back that side shouldn’t be missing out.

    Only negative is Ramsays injury - which concerns me greatly. 
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,736
    Callumcafc said:
    Doomer Jon said:
    Useless finishing. Not a chance of play offs 
    We’re three points off third with 35 games to play ffs
    Don’t feed the troll
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,998
    Good performance to go into the next two games … but the refs are getting more woeful week by week 
  • supaclive
    supaclive Posts: 6,514
    Tyreece   11 games, 8 starts, 0 goals, 0 assists
    Ahadme   8 games,  8 starts,1 goal, 0 assists
    Kanu 6 games, 3 starts, 0 goals, 0 assists
    Godden 10 games (4 starts) 3 goals, 1 assists


    It's a very poor return for a side that wanted to change our play and sold the Divisions top goalscorer.  

    Our midfield doesn't help at times but Godden aside the 3 supporting attacking players have not contributed enough quarter of the way through the season.

  • _MrDick
    _MrDick Posts: 13,104
    edited October 2024
    PWR … How did we not win that!!! Referee had a shocker. Their only chance was the penalty (which was probably one of the only things he got right all match) Disappointing that we dropped 2 points. Onto Barnsley and then it’s Wrecksum’s cup final  

    Edit: I thought Taylor’s delivery from set pieces was the best we’ve seen for years
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,898
    maybe its me but modern football is just about 70 minutes of boredom / attrition / chess and then a few changes and a match starts - same with the england game the other day - games used to go on for 90+ minutes, not 20+     

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