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Charlton Summer Transfer Rumours 2024
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Think you are on the wrong threadRichard J said:What is the latest on a new keeper?15 -
And contracts are a two way thing, Fraser committed to playing for the club for the duration of his contract, if he wishes to end that contract early and leave then fine but he also has to read the market, his current wages aren't going to be paid anywhere in Scotland so if he wants out that badly he should look to lower his demands, otherwise stay and honour the contract he has.ShootersHillGuru said:I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.3 -
Don’t understand this argument. Has Fraser refused to train or play for us ? He’s obviously well aware that he’s not in Jones’s plans and I would expect he’s been encouraged to see what’s out there. He’s 100% honouring his contract and any manoeuvre by him to find another club has been encouraged by the club.MartinCAFC said:
And contracts are a two way thing, Fraser committed to playing for the club for the duration of his contract, if he wishes to end that contract early and leave then fine but he also has to read the market, his current wages aren't going to be paid anywhere in Scotland so if he wants out that badly he should look to lower his demands, otherwise stay and honour the contract he has.ShootersHillGuru said:I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.4 -
Fraser has not been seen in NJ training sessions. Is that the clubs choice or the player? He has never shown any inclination to buy into several managers ethos of had work. Fuck off Scott, and take a P45 with you, we have paid you enough for little return.0
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Might not have refused…but basically downed tools,each time he stepped on the pitch,he himself has made it turn out this way,so he Fraser should now front up & hold his own hands up,says sorry to the club & fans,take the moneys he is actually worth & stop sponging of us…if he had played as good as he thinks he is then he or Cafc wouldn’t be in this position…ShootersHillGuru said:
Don’t understand this argument. Has Fraser refused to train or play for us ? He’s obviously well aware that he’s not in Jones’s plans and I would expect he’s been encouraged to see what’s out there. He’s 100% honouring his contract and any manoeuvre by him to find another club has been encouraged by the club.MartinCAFC said:
And contracts are a two way thing, Fraser committed to playing for the club for the duration of his contract, if he wishes to end that contract early and leave then fine but he also has to read the market, his current wages aren't going to be paid anywhere in Scotland so if he wants out that badly he should look to lower his demands, otherwise stay and honour the contract he has.ShootersHillGuru said:I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
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ShootersHillGuru said:I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
And he's perfectly entitled to sit on the contract he's been given. We'd all be reluctant to take a pay cut from our place of work.
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I've made very few posts here, but within a few minutes of the last when I said I wasn't expecting a signing, we announced a signing, so I've returned to predict we won't be making another signing any time soon. 🤞
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Presuming Isted's salary didn't free up enough of the budget?Valleyofdreams said:Need a couple of decent prem loans to add some more quality I think. Always a gamble I know but we have had a couple of decent ones over the past few seasons.
Any news on that QPR goalkeeper? Seems to have gone quiet on that one.0 -
I wonder if this is the kind of player Jones is referring to when he says he doesn't want any more players looking for an easy time.ShootersHillGuru said:I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
Certainly doesn't strike me as the kind of player who hates losing and is hungry.
I'm not bothered about what contract we gave him. He should have done a lot more and he mostly coasted.3 -
Yes just left the O off the end that’s all….PopIcon said:
Who is Ronald? New midfielder incoming?thenewbie said:
Absolutely right Ronald, Jones is clearly a man with vision. He played the long game so expertly that he managed to sign Fraser for Charlton two whole years before being appointed Manager then didn't play him at all just to throw us off the scent.RonnieMoore said:
What’s it got to do with Scott ? Jones has been in charge of all transfersThe Prince-e-Paul said:
Ask Scott!SantaClaus said:Why would anyone want to sign a low energy, low production player who comes with a big ego and high wage expectations?
4D Chess Grand master that man is.1 - Sponsored links:
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3 good ones gone, not convinced our recruitment is going to make us any better. CAFC TV auto renewed today so will have to continue watching from afar.
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Without seeing us play a competitive game, it’s impossible to judge where we are. I feel (but no more than that) we are moving in the right direction but undoing so many poor (or terrible)’seasons (and signings) will not be rectified overnight. If we reach the play offs this year, it will a very good reversal of fortunes. At least, there seems to be a plan in place. The plan will go well or have bumps. It’s better than no plan and erratic recruitment.6
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WrightCharlie said:
Yes just left the O off the end that’s all….PopIcon said:
Who is Ronald? New midfielder incoming?thenewbie said:
Absolutely right Ronald, Jones is clearly a man with vision. He played the long game so expertly that he managed to sign Fraser for Charlton two whole years before being appointed Manager then didn't play him at all just to throw us off the scent.RonnieMoore said:
What’s it got to do with Scott ? Jones has been in charge of all transfersThe Prince-e-Paul said:
Ask Scott!SantaClaus said:Why would anyone want to sign a low energy, low production player who comes with a big ego and high wage expectations?
4D Chess Grand master that man is.
Ah yes that famous Irish midfielder O'Ronald...🙄4 -
In which case he can't return to Scotland. And can live down here by himself while his family returns.ElfsborgAddick said:ShootersHillGuru said:I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
And he's perfectly entitled to sit on the contract he's been given. We'd all be reluctant to take a pay cut from our place of work.
In the "normal" world, if you have a well paid job in London but want to return to elsewhere in the country for personal reasons, you'd accept the fact that your new employer in Cornwall or Newcastle or Aberdeen won't pay as well, and take the salary drop.24 -
Scott Fraser has been pissed as a fart at each end of season do.
He's "old school" in football terms. Can play a bit but sadly he's not got the appetite/bollox/desire to be anything more than a luxury player in League 1.
That's the height of his ambitions.
That's why he won't play for Nathan Jones again.
Good old Charlton and Tommy jnr and his "black box"
One decent season at MK Dons completely turned over Ipswich.... until Tommy jnr came along!
Pay him off. Ship.him out. Cover it with the Gomez sell on fee. He'll be a bad influence in and around the club.
Because it is never his fault19 -
Yes he's honouring his contract but if he specifically wants to go back to Scotland then he takes a wage on the going rate up there, simple as. If it doesn't work out then whether he plays again or not is down to how badly he wants to be playing again and ultimately that's what it comes down to. If he's that desperate to go to Scotland he'll take whatever contract is offered.ShootersHillGuru said:
Don’t understand this argument. Has Fraser refused to train or play for us ? He’s obviously well aware that he’s not in Jones’s plans and I would expect he’s been encouraged to see what’s out there. He’s 100% honouring his contract and any manoeuvre by him to find another club has been encouraged by the club.MartinCAFC said:
And contracts are a two way thing, Fraser committed to playing for the club for the duration of his contract, if he wishes to end that contract early and leave then fine but he also has to read the market, his current wages aren't going to be paid anywhere in Scotland so if he wants out that badly he should look to lower his demands, otherwise stay and honour the contract he has.ShootersHillGuru said:I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.5 -
ShootersHillGuru said:
Don’t understand this argument. Has Fraser refused to train or play for us ? He’s obviously well aware that he’s not in Jones’s plans and I would expect he’s been encouraged to see what’s out there. He’s 100% honouring his contract and any manoeuvre by him to find another club has been encouraged by the club.MartinCAFC said:
And contracts are a two way thing, Fraser committed to playing for the club for the duration of his contract, if he wishes to end that contract early and leave then fine but he also has to read the market, his current wages aren't going to be paid anywhere in Scotland so if he wants out that badly he should look to lower his demands, otherwise stay and honour the contract he has.ShootersHillGuru said:I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
I don't think anyone is arguing that he isn't honouring a contract. But he is openly saying he wants to move back to Scotland.
That is fine, but he can't play for us from there so he is essentially saying he wants out.
A move away from Charlton is as much his desire as it is likely the clubs. Both sides will need to compromise and find a meeting in the middle.
I find players like Fraser frustrating as he is a talented lad who could have played at a higher level but just didn't seem to have the right level of desire/hunger in him.3 -
4 more weeks of the window as it ends on Friday 30 August 2024 at 11pm GMT. I'm taking bets on how many pages we get to.
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Fraser holds the whip hand.
1 He takes a pay cut to move elsewhere.
2 The club pays part of his wage to facilitate a move.
3 The club pay up his contract.
4 He plays out his contract
Which one will it be?0 - Sponsored links:
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supaclive said:Scott Fraser has been pissed as a fart at each end of season do.
Sauce !
Sorry, I mean Source ?2 -
Looks like we've lost out on another one of our goalkeeping targets. This time to some schoolchildren on the Isle of Wight.
https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/24488548.asmir-begovic-run-goalkeeping-camp-isle-wight/
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A one day event on 7th August...ateamofcorygibbs said:Looks like we've lost out on another one of our goalkeeping targets. This time to some schoolchildren on the Isle of Wight.https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/24488548.asmir-begovic-run-goalkeeping-camp-isle-wight/
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I remember a few people at the POTY dinners reporting that news on here if you can find the threads.soapboxsam said:supaclive said:Scott Fraser has been pissed as a fart at each end of season do.
Sauce !
Sorry, I mean Source ?
Even the blurb for the POTY Charlton Live episode mentions "a very drunk Scott Fraser" as guest.0 -
Good mates with former Arsenal midfielders Paddy Vieira and Gilbert O’Silvaeastterrace6168 said:WrightCharlie said:
Yes just left the O off the end that’s all….PopIcon said:
Who is Ronald? New midfielder incoming?thenewbie said:
Absolutely right Ronald, Jones is clearly a man with vision. He played the long game so expertly that he managed to sign Fraser for Charlton two whole years before being appointed Manager then didn't play him at all just to throw us off the scent.RonnieMoore said:
What’s it got to do with Scott ? Jones has been in charge of all transfersThe Prince-e-Paul said:
Ask Scott!SantaClaus said:Why would anyone want to sign a low energy, low production player who comes with a big ego and high wage expectations?
4D Chess Grand master that man is.
Ah yes that famous Irish midfielder O'Ronald...🙄0 -
Ah yeah you're right, thanks for the correction. I feel like a fool nowCafcWest said:
A one day event on 7th August...ateamofcorygibbs said:Looks like we've lost out on another one of our goalkeeping targets. This time to some schoolchildren on the Isle of Wight.https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/24488548.asmir-begovic-run-goalkeeping-camp-isle-wight/
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I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.22
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You're right that if he's desperate he'd take the contract on offer, but I don't think he's desperate at all. He's just stated a preference for where he'd like to go (and given he's unwanted here but under a good contract, he's in a strong negotiating position with us to try and get it).MartinCAFC said:
Yes he's honouring his contract but if he specifically wants to go back to Scotland then he takes a wage on the going rate up there, simple as. If it doesn't work out then whether he plays again or not is down to how badly he wants to be playing again and ultimately that's what it comes down to. If he's that desperate to go to Scotland he'll take whatever contract is offered.ShootersHillGuru said:
Don’t understand this argument. Has Fraser refused to train or play for us ? He’s obviously well aware that he’s not in Jones’s plans and I would expect he’s been encouraged to see what’s out there. He’s 100% honouring his contract and any manoeuvre by him to find another club has been encouraged by the club.MartinCAFC said:
And contracts are a two way thing, Fraser committed to playing for the club for the duration of his contract, if he wishes to end that contract early and leave then fine but he also has to read the market, his current wages aren't going to be paid anywhere in Scotland so if he wants out that badly he should look to lower his demands, otherwise stay and honour the contract he has.ShootersHillGuru said:I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
The only major issue with him staying and honouring his current contract here is that Jones doesn't want to play him, and we don't want to pay his wages. Neither of those things are Fraser's problem.3 -
My money would be on 4Starinnaddick said:Fraser holds the whip hand.
1 He takes a pay cut to move elsewhere.
2 The club pays part of his wage to facilitate a move.
3 The club pay up his contract.
4 He plays out his contract
Which one will it be?0
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