Fraser holds the whip hand. 1 He takes a pay cut to move elsewhere. 2 The club pays part of his wage to facilitate a move. 3 The club pay up his contract. 4 He plays out his contract Which one will it be?
Why would anyone want to sign a low energy, low production player who comes with a big ego and high wage expectations?
Ask Scott!
What’s it got to do with Scott ? Jones has been in charge of all transfers
Absolutely right Ronald, Jones is clearly a man with vision. He played the long game so expertly that he managed to sign Fraser for Charlton two whole years before being appointed Manager then didn't play him at all just to throw us off the scent.
4D Chess Grand master that man is.
Who is Ronald? New midfielder incoming?
Yes just left the O off the end that’s all….
Ah yes that famous Irish midfielder O'Ronald...🙄
Good mates with former Arsenal midfielders Paddy Vieira and Gilbert O’Silva
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
And contracts are a two way thing, Fraser committed to playing for the club for the duration of his contract, if he wishes to end that contract early and leave then fine but he also has to read the market, his current wages aren't going to be paid anywhere in Scotland so if he wants out that badly he should look to lower his demands, otherwise stay and honour the contract he has.
Don’t understand this argument. Has Fraser refused to train or play for us ? He’s obviously well aware that he’s not in Jones’s plans and I would expect he’s been encouraged to see what’s out there. He’s 100% honouring his contract and any manoeuvre by him to find another club has been encouraged by the club.
Yes he's honouring his contract but if he specifically wants to go back to Scotland then he takes a wage on the going rate up there, simple as. If it doesn't work out then whether he plays again or not is down to how badly he wants to be playing again and ultimately that's what it comes down to. If he's that desperate to go to Scotland he'll take whatever contract is offered.
You're right that if he's desperate he'd take the contract on offer, but I don't think he's desperate at all. He's just stated a preference for where he'd like to go (and given he's unwanted here but under a good contract, he's in a strong negotiating position with us to try and get it).
The only major issue with him staying and honouring his current contract here is that Jones doesn't want to play him, and we don't want to pay his wages. Neither of those things are Fraser's problem.
Fraser holds the whip hand. 1 He takes a pay cut to move elsewhere. 2 The club pays part of his wage to facilitate a move. 3 The club pay up his contract. 4 He plays out his contract Which one will it be?
Fraser holds the whip hand. 1 He takes a pay cut to move elsewhere. 2 The club pays part of his wage to facilitate a move. 3 The club pay up his contract. 4 He plays out his contract Which one will it be?
My money would be on 4
It will be 2. Couple of clubs in Scotland are in talks with him/us
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:
1) Charlton ... (Then everything else) ... 4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy.
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:
1) Charlton ... (Then everything else) ... 4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd feel differently.
When he's gone I won't give him a seconds thought but at the moment he is the person in control of his immediate future.
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
Whilst I kind of agree - surely the best thing for his family is to be living with them?
He's had a very good wage for a number of years so presumably has a few bob in the bank.
His family are living hundreds of miles away in Scotland so surely the best thing would be for them to be living together
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
Whilst I kind of agree - surely the best thing for his family is to be living with them?
He's had a very good wage for a number of years so presumably has a few bob in the bank.
His family are living hundreds of miles away in Scotland so surely the best thing would be for them to be living together
He also might have considered not moving to Scotland while still under contract at a London club...
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
Whilst I kind of agree - surely the best thing for his family is to be living with them?
He's had a very good wage for a number of years so presumably has a few bob in the bank.
His family are living hundreds of miles away in Scotland so surely the best thing would be for them to be living together
Agree. He’s stated that he wants to be with his family and that’s very understandable, so, I’d like to think that will be his priority and he’ll do everything to get back with them, including being flexible on his wages etc.,
you just know we're gonna end up funding half his wages when he goes on a season long loan on transfer deadline day to a Scottish club, may as well cut to the chase and just do it now
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
There hasn't really been any vitriol. It's fine for him to do what's best for him and his family's future security. If that means they move North and he honours his contract here in London being apart from them then fine. If it means he wants to join them in Scotland straight away, also fine. Not sure why Charlton should be paying for the later though as it is his life choice. Hence why we would be being helpful if we agree to pay part of his wages in that instance but shouldn't take the full brunt of any difference. Sounds likely he will move on and that seems the best solution for all parties.
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:
1) Charlton ... (Then everything else) ... 4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd feel differently.
When he's gone I won't give him a seconds thought but at the moment he is the person in control of his immediate future.
Yes you will, you'll be updating us when he sneezes or burps, and update everyone on what he has for breakfast! It's what happens with our ex players; going to be painful with both SE7 branches of the Birmingham and Wrexham supporters clubs constantly spamming us...
It's like we've split up with a girlfriend and just can't let go, drowning in all the 'he said/she said drama'.
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:
1) Charlton ... (Then everything else) ... 4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy.
I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are.
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:
1) Charlton ... (Then everything else) ... 4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd feel differently.
When he's gone I won't give him a seconds thought but at the moment he is the person in control of his immediate future.
Yes you will, you'll be updating us when he sneezes or burps, and update everyone on what he has for breakfast! It's what happens with our ex players; going to be painful with both SE7 branches of the Birmingham and Wrexham supporters clubs constantly spamming us...
It's like we've split up with a girlfriend and just can't let go, drowning in all the 'he said/she said drama'.
you just know we're gonna end up funding half his wages when he goes on a season long loan on transfer deadline day to a Scottish club, may as well cut to the chase and just do it now
Agree: I said this months ago that we would've to bite the bullet and pay about half of his wage to see him on his way back in Scotland.
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
Whilst I kind of agree - surely the best thing for his family is to be living with them?
He's had a very good wage for a number of years so presumably has a few bob in the bank.
His family are living hundreds of miles away in Scotland so surely the best thing would be for them to be living together
I guess you would argue that this is probably the last high value contract of his career if he moves back up north of the border and unless he goes into a real purple patch in his career and gets picked up by Rangers or Celtic, then it probably makes sense from his perspective to see how out this contract and then properly move back next year when he's up.
Also can someone ITK give us something...feels like it's been weeks since the last proper rumour of Begovic, I am genuinely surprised we haven't announced a keeper in the whole week that Harry has been gone
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:
1) Charlton ... (Then everything else) ... 4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy.
I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are.
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
Whilst I kind of agree - surely the best thing for his family is to be living with them?
He's had a very good wage for a number of years so presumably has a few bob in the bank.
His family are living hundreds of miles away in Scotland so surely the best thing would be for them to be living together
I guess you would argue that this is probably the last high value contract of his career if he moves back up north of the border and unless he goes into a real purple patch in his career and gets picked up by Rangers or Celtic, then it probably makes sense from his perspective to see how out this contract and then properly move back next year when he's up.
it would have to be some purple patch to then be picked up by one of those 2!!!
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
Selling his talent is a bit strong..,,if he had played half as good as he thought he was,someone woulda paid up by now wholly for that talent,but he ain’t worth it,so we are stuck with him…if he was an employee in any other trade,he woulda been jogged on with a mths extra wages in his pocket…yes I know this is football & it’s different but yeah be great if he could literally take what comes,not hold out for money from us,that he really hasn’t earned…
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1 He takes a pay cut to move elsewhere.
2 The club pays part of his wage to facilitate a move.
3 The club pay up his contract.
4 He plays out his contract
Which one will it be?
Sauce !
Sorry, I mean Source ?
https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/24488548.asmir-begovic-run-goalkeeping-camp-isle-wight/
Even the blurb for the POTY Charlton Live episode mentions "a very drunk Scott Fraser" as guest.
The only major issue with him staying and honouring his current contract here is that Jones doesn't want to play him, and we don't want to pay his wages. Neither of those things are Fraser's problem.
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(Then everything else)
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4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy.
He's had a very good wage for a number of years so presumably has a few bob in the bank.
His family are living hundreds of miles away in Scotland so surely the best thing would be for them to be living together
There hasn't really been any vitriol.
It's fine for him to do what's best for him and his family's future security. If that means they move North and he honours his contract here in London being apart from them then fine.
If it means he wants to join them in Scotland straight away, also fine.
Not sure why Charlton should be paying for the later though as it is his life choice. Hence why we would be being helpful if we agree to pay part of his wages in that instance but shouldn't take the full brunt of any difference.
Sounds likely he will move on and that seems the best solution for all parties.
It's like we've split up with a girlfriend and just can't let go, drowning in all the 'he said/she said drama'.
...Count me out of that one mate!...🙄
Agree:
I said this months ago that we would've to bite the bullet and pay about half of his wage to see him on his way back in Scotland.