Struggling to keep up with ongoing transfer developments, but hoped to catch up by going to the Wimbledon match.
I didn’t expect us to be outplayed (by and large) by a League 2 side, and left feeling ver deflated.
Are we set for another year of disappointment, or do we feel that the new players need time to settle in? It felt like we lacked quality, and there’s only ten days left to sort things out.
I think we have quality in Berry, Docherty and Godden but it’s just they aren’t quite up to speed yet. Once they’ve had the full pre-season we will hopefully start to see it once the proper games start
Let’s hope so. But there’s only the Pompey friendly left (unless I missed something).
Why would anyone want to sign a low energy, low production player who comes with a big ego and high wage expectations?
Ask Scott!
What’s it got to do with Scott ? Jones has been in charge of all transfers
Absolutely right Ronald, Jones is clearly a man with vision. He played the long game so expertly that he managed to sign Fraser for Charlton two whole years before being appointed Manager then didn't play him at all just to throw us off the scent.
We have just about the biggest squad in the league. About 30 players. Currently they can’t all even fit on a training pitch match.
This demoralises some who are not only told they are out of the managers plans but are so far out of those plans they don’t even get a look in.
Hence we need to shift a number of players before bringing any new ones in..
Haven't checked but not sure we have the biggest squad.
A lot of our squad are U21 and we only have two keepers.
Otherwise I think we have around 18 or 19 players.
Probably not a lot more than Jones wants, just not the type he wants.
I thought someone may pick me up as I was surprised and didn't believe what I wrote... but my post was not actually my words but those of Charlie M at the family day... (I just didn't mention that earlier!).
Need a couple of decent prem loans to add some more quality I think. Always a gamble I know but we have had a couple of decent ones over the past few seasons. Any news on that QPR goalkeeper? Seems to have gone quiet on that one.
I don’t think we need any loads and like the idea of having a season without them.
We have just about the biggest squad in the league. About 30 players. Currently they can’t all even fit on a training pitch match.
This demoralises some who are not only told they are out of the managers plans but are so far out of those plans they don’t even get a look in.
Hence we need to shift a number of players before bringing any new ones in..
Haven't checked but not sure we have the biggest squad.
A lot of our squad are U21 and we only have two keepers.
Otherwise I think we have around 18 or 19 players.
Probably not a lot more than Jones wants, just not the type he wants.
I thought someone may pick me up as I was surprised and didn't believe what I wrote... but my post was not actually my words but those of Charlie M at the family day... (I just didn't mention that earlier!).
Why would anyone want to sign a low energy, low production player who comes with a big ego and high wage expectations?
Ask Scott!
What’s it got to do with Scott ? Jones has been in charge of all transfers
Absolutely right Ronald, Jones is clearly a man with vision. He played the long game so expertly that he managed to sign Fraser for Charlton two whole years before being appointed Manager then didn't play him at all just to throw us off the scent.
I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
And contracts are a two way thing, Fraser committed to playing for the club for the duration of his contract, if he wishes to end that contract early and leave then fine but he also has to read the market, his current wages aren't going to be paid anywhere in Scotland so if he wants out that badly he should look to lower his demands, otherwise stay and honour the contract he has.
I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
And contracts are a two way thing, Fraser committed to playing for the club for the duration of his contract, if he wishes to end that contract early and leave then fine but he also has to read the market, his current wages aren't going to be paid anywhere in Scotland so if he wants out that badly he should look to lower his demands, otherwise stay and honour the contract he has.
Don’t understand this argument. Has Fraser refused to train or play for us ? He’s obviously well aware that he’s not in Jones’s plans and I would expect he’s been encouraged to see what’s out there. He’s 100% honouring his contract and any manoeuvre by him to find another club has been encouraged by the club.
Fraser has not been seen in NJ training sessions. Is that the clubs choice or the player? He has never shown any inclination to buy into several managers ethos of had work. Fuck off Scott, and take a P45 with you, we have paid you enough for little return.
I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
And contracts are a two way thing, Fraser committed to playing for the club for the duration of his contract, if he wishes to end that contract early and leave then fine but he also has to read the market, his current wages aren't going to be paid anywhere in Scotland so if he wants out that badly he should look to lower his demands, otherwise stay and honour the contract he has.
Don’t understand this argument. Has Fraser refused to train or play for us ? He’s obviously well aware that he’s not in Jones’s plans and I would expect he’s been encouraged to see what’s out there. He’s 100% honouring his contract and any manoeuvre by him to find another club has been encouraged by the club.
Might not have refused…but basically downed tools,each time he stepped on the pitch,he himself has made it turn out this way,so he Fraser should now front up & hold his own hands up,says sorry to the club & fans,take the moneys he is actually worth & stop sponging of us…if he had played as good as he thinks he is then he or Cafc wouldn’t be in this position…
I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
And he's perfectly entitled to sit on the contract he's been given. We'd all be reluctant to take a pay cut from our place of work.
I've made very few posts here, but within a few minutes of the last when I said I wasn't expecting a signing, we announced a signing, so I've returned to predict we won't be making another signing any time soon. 🤞
Need a couple of decent prem loans to add some more quality I think. Always a gamble I know but we have had a couple of decent ones over the past few seasons. Any news on that QPR goalkeeper? Seems to have gone quiet on that one.
Presuming Isted's salary didn't free up enough of the budget?
I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
I wonder if this is the kind of player Jones is referring to when he says he doesn't want any more players looking for an easy time.
Certainly doesn't strike me as the kind of player who hates losing and is hungry.
I'm not bothered about what contract we gave him. He should have done a lot more and he mostly coasted.
Why would anyone want to sign a low energy, low production player who comes with a big ego and high wage expectations?
Ask Scott!
What’s it got to do with Scott ? Jones has been in charge of all transfers
Absolutely right Ronald, Jones is clearly a man with vision. He played the long game so expertly that he managed to sign Fraser for Charlton two whole years before being appointed Manager then didn't play him at all just to throw us off the scent.
3 good ones gone, not convinced our recruitment is going to make us any better. CAFC TV auto renewed today so will have to continue watching from afar.
Without seeing us play a competitive game, it’s impossible to judge where we are. I feel (but no more than that) we are moving in the right direction but undoing so many poor (or terrible)’seasons (and signings) will not be rectified overnight. If we reach the play offs this year, it will a very good reversal of fortunes. At least, there seems to be a plan in place. The plan will go well or have bumps. It’s better than no plan and erratic recruitment.
Why would anyone want to sign a low energy, low production player who comes with a big ego and high wage expectations?
Ask Scott!
What’s it got to do with Scott ? Jones has been in charge of all transfers
Absolutely right Ronald, Jones is clearly a man with vision. He played the long game so expertly that he managed to sign Fraser for Charlton two whole years before being appointed Manager then didn't play him at all just to throw us off the scent.
I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
And he's perfectly entitled to sit on the contract he's been given. We'd all be reluctant to take a pay cut from our place of work.
In which case he can't return to Scotland. And can live down here by himself while his family returns.
In the "normal" world, if you have a well paid job in London but want to return to elsewhere in the country for personal reasons, you'd accept the fact that your new employer in Cornwall or Newcastle or Aberdeen won't pay as well, and take the salary drop.
Scott Fraser has been pissed as a fart at each end of season do.
He's "old school" in football terms. Can play a bit but sadly he's not got the appetite/bollox/desire to be anything more than a luxury player in League 1.
That's the height of his ambitions.
That's why he won't play for Nathan Jones again.
Good old Charlton and Tommy jnr and his "black box"
One decent season at MK Dons completely turned over Ipswich.... until Tommy jnr came along!
Pay him off. Ship.him out. Cover it with the Gomez sell on fee. He'll be a bad influence in and around the club.
I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
And contracts are a two way thing, Fraser committed to playing for the club for the duration of his contract, if he wishes to end that contract early and leave then fine but he also has to read the market, his current wages aren't going to be paid anywhere in Scotland so if he wants out that badly he should look to lower his demands, otherwise stay and honour the contract he has.
Don’t understand this argument. Has Fraser refused to train or play for us ? He’s obviously well aware that he’s not in Jones’s plans and I would expect he’s been encouraged to see what’s out there. He’s 100% honouring his contract and any manoeuvre by him to find another club has been encouraged by the club.
Yes he's honouring his contract but if he specifically wants to go back to Scotland then he takes a wage on the going rate up there, simple as. If it doesn't work out then whether he plays again or not is down to how badly he wants to be playing again and ultimately that's what it comes down to. If he's that desperate to go to Scotland he'll take whatever contract is offered.
I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not Frasers fault that we offered him very good wages when we signed him or that his player profile doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants. His star has diminished in brightness since we signed him and the prospect of anything above league one has diminished with it. Hard to shift him because of the contract he’s on, that WE gave him. Not many league one clubs or his preferred Scotland can match it. Zero chance of Championship interest. None of which is the players fault. It’s a totally unsatisfactory situation but we shouldn’t be blaming Fraser for it.
And contracts are a two way thing, Fraser committed to playing for the club for the duration of his contract, if he wishes to end that contract early and leave then fine but he also has to read the market, his current wages aren't going to be paid anywhere in Scotland so if he wants out that badly he should look to lower his demands, otherwise stay and honour the contract he has.
Don’t understand this argument. Has Fraser refused to train or play for us ? He’s obviously well aware that he’s not in Jones’s plans and I would expect he’s been encouraged to see what’s out there. He’s 100% honouring his contract and any manoeuvre by him to find another club has been encouraged by the club.
I don't think anyone is arguing that he isn't honouring a contract. But he is openly saying he wants to move back to Scotland.
That is fine, but he can't play for us from there so he is essentially saying he wants out.
A move away from Charlton is as much his desire as it is likely the clubs. Both sides will need to compromise and find a meeting in the middle.
I find players like Fraser frustrating as he is a talented lad who could have played at a higher level but just didn't seem to have the right level of desire/hunger in him.
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4D Chess Grand master that man is.
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I thought someone may pick me up as I was surprised and didn't believe what I wrote... but my post was not actually my words but those of Charlie M at the family day... (I just didn't mention that earlier!).
Stand by what I said.
Quantity is fine, more quality is needed
And he's perfectly entitled to sit on the contract he's been given. We'd all be reluctant to take a pay cut from our place of work.
Certainly doesn't strike me as the kind of player who hates losing and is hungry.
I'm not bothered about what contract we gave him. He should have done a lot more and he mostly coasted.
Ah yes that famous Irish midfielder O'Ronald...🙄
In the "normal" world, if you have a well paid job in London but want to return to elsewhere in the country for personal reasons, you'd accept the fact that your new employer in Cornwall or Newcastle or Aberdeen won't pay as well, and take the salary drop.
He's "old school" in football terms. Can play a bit but sadly he's not got the appetite/bollox/desire to be anything more than a luxury player in League 1.
That's the height of his ambitions.
That's why he won't play for Nathan Jones again.
Good old Charlton and Tommy jnr and his "black box"
One decent season at MK Dons completely turned over Ipswich.... until Tommy jnr came along!
Pay him off. Ship.him out. Cover it with the Gomez sell on fee. He'll be a bad influence in and around the club.
Because it is never his fault
I don't think anyone is arguing that he isn't honouring a contract. But he is openly saying he wants to move back to Scotland.
That is fine, but he can't play for us from there so he is essentially saying he wants out.
A move away from Charlton is as much his desire as it is likely the clubs. Both sides will need to compromise and find a meeting in the middle.
I find players like Fraser frustrating as he is a talented lad who could have played at a higher level but just didn't seem to have the right level of desire/hunger in him.