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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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In League One or above.Taxi_Lad said:
I thought Kirk has scored 24 on 3 seasons so a high of 6 can’t be rightSELR_addicks said:If you're going by highest total in a season so far, here are the goals in our squad - in League One or above:
Washington: 12
Stockley: 8
Jaiyesimi: 4
Gilbey: 5
Kirk: 6
Clare: 4
Morgan: 1
Dobson: 1
All of our defenders: 4
Even with Forster-Caskey's 5, it's clearly not enough goals in the squad.
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Very true, but you'd hope on current form he'd carry that on. Only time will tell.se9addick said:
That works mathematically, but in practicality it isn’t that easyBexleyheath_Addick said:
Tbf, he got 8 in 22 last year. So equals out to about 16-20 goals across a 46 game season in the league.se9addick said:
Not sure I’d even be too confident in Stockley getting 15-20. With a fair wind he might get there.SELR_addicks said:
Very very wishful thinking.Callumcafc said:
Stockley 15-20ValleyGary said:Still not sure that starting 11 has enough goals in it.
DJ & Kirk 15-20 between them
Gilbey 5-10
Morgan 5
Clare 5
Inniss & other defenders 5
Washington 10
That’s a 60-75 goals. The numbers add up quickly.
Stockley is the only one you'd be confident in.0 -
The thing is guys, with such a young side, they haven't had the opportunity to bang the goals in.
Stop writing this side off before they've got 2 league games under their belts. Wait til 5 or even 10 have passed at least... Shirley
Have faith, under Adkins we will come good.38 -
eastterrace6168 said:
Get your point with the cost involved, but we need a striker with a proven record to support/back up Stockley, and maybe Jephcott is that player, and we will need to spend realistically to get the right player in, the alternative is reliance on youth ie DavisonElliotCAFC said:Can’t see anything in the Jephcott rumours. It’s been said before but we’re not going to spend that sort of money for someone to sit on the bench behind Stockley.
100% we need another striker, I just don’t think it would be wise to invest heavily in a backup.Stockley is our main man, our whole style of play is based around him doing what he does best. Any striker we do sign will be coming knowing they’re going to be starting on the bench most weeks. It makes more sense to sign a striker on loan who can offer us something different up top, rather than spending 6 figures on someone like Jephcott who has little impact outside the box.I think whatever budget we have left should go on young fullbacks/wingers/midfielders that are here for the foreseeable future. The rest can be filled with loans2 -
Would love a hectic day of transfers, 3 or 4 in day would be good. But we seem to like spacing them out, preferably a few weeks apart.0
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No, he's a Captain.addick1956 said:
So Kirk isn't a winger then.cafcfan1990 said:
Disagree, I think we need a winger and a striker. Someone like Leko wouldn't cut it for me, we need another striker who can cover Stockley.JoshAddick said:LB, back up RCB, attacking midfielder, and a striker who can play on the wing (Leko mould) and we’re sorted.
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Where is the rumours / cl list? Does anyone know?
Just to keep up with what the current rumours are0 -
Charlton socials have been quiet for a while, I wonder if another's on the way - perhaps Hendo?1
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If he keeps getting into the positions he did on Saturday, the goals will come.blackpool72 said:
Morgan 5 seriouslyCallumcafc said:
Stockley 15-20ValleyGary said:Still not sure that starting 11 has enough goals in it.
DJ & Kirk 15-20 between them
Gilbey 5-10
Morgan 5
Clare 5
Inniss & other defenders 5
Washington 10
That’s a 60-75 goals. The numbers add up quickly.5 -
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addick1956 said:Why are fees undisclosed? Is it because we mugged Crewe or because they mugged us ? Or perhaps nobody wants to tell the tax man ?
Being that we beat off those Sheffield dicks with both hands, I'd assume nobody mugged anybody off and both parties are happy with the sum.0 -
Problem is he can barely hit a barn door at timesStu_of_Kunming said:
If he keeps getting into the positions he did on Saturday, the goals will come.blackpool72 said:
Morgan 5 seriouslyCallumcafc said:
Stockley 15-20ValleyGary said:Still not sure that starting 11 has enough goals in it.
DJ & Kirk 15-20 between them
Gilbey 5-10
Morgan 5
Clare 5
Inniss & other defenders 5
Washington 10
That’s a 60-75 goals. The numbers add up quickly.3 -
If Adkins truly rates Roddy plus we have Oguntayo and Purrington still pretty young, I don't feel the LB necessarily needs to be a long term solution. Someone like Joe Bennett would be a very good signing for short-term success.ElliotCAFC said:eastterrace6168 said:
Get your point with the cost involved, but we need a striker with a proven record to support/back up Stockley, and maybe Jephcott is that player, and we will need to spend realistically to get the right player in, the alternative is reliance on youth ie DavisonElliotCAFC said:Can’t see anything in the Jephcott rumours. It’s been said before but we’re not going to spend that sort of money for someone to sit on the bench behind Stockley.
100% we need another striker, I just don’t think it would be wise to invest heavily in a backup.Stockley is our main man, our whole style of play is based around him doing what he does best. Any striker we do sign will be coming knowing they’re going to be starting on the bench most weeks. It makes more sense to sign a striker on loan who can offer us something different up top, rather than spending 6 figures on someone like Jephcott who has little impact outside the box.I think whatever budget we have left should go on young fullbacks/wingers/midfielders that are here for the foreseeable future. The rest can be filled with loans
Agree about the back up to Stockley, need one through the building, who is decent but wouldn't be blowing the rest of our transfer budget on him.0 -
Doesn’t that make it more likely we were mugged off and overpaid to fend off the sheff u interest?Dazzler21 said:addick1956 said:Why are fees undisclosed? Is it because we mugged Crewe or because they mugged us ? Or perhaps nobody wants to tell the tax man ?
Being that we beat off those Sheffield dicks with both hands, I'd assume nobody mugged anybody off and both parties are happy with the sum.0 -
One down potentially four to go?Dazzler21 said:Active rumours
- Kirk move is currently ON still.
- Henderson to come in as number 2
- Unknown player training with us
- Jack Tucker a target
Secondary rumours (Old/No new info)
- Viv Solomon-Otabor failed medical - potentially still a target?0 -
Tony Gallacher on loan would be my bet. Liverpool train their fullbacks to get foward plenty.cafcfan1990 said:
If Adkins truly rates Roddy plus we have Oguntayo and Purrington still pretty young, I don't feel the LB necessarily needs to be a long term solution. Someone like Joe Bennett would be a very good signing for short-term success.ElliotCAFC said:eastterrace6168 said:
Get your point with the cost involved, but we need a striker with a proven record to support/back up Stockley, and maybe Jephcott is that player, and we will need to spend realistically to get the right player in, the alternative is reliance on youth ie DavisonElliotCAFC said:Can’t see anything in the Jephcott rumours. It’s been said before but we’re not going to spend that sort of money for someone to sit on the bench behind Stockley.
100% we need another striker, I just don’t think it would be wise to invest heavily in a backup.Stockley is our main man, our whole style of play is based around him doing what he does best. Any striker we do sign will be coming knowing they’re going to be starting on the bench most weeks. It makes more sense to sign a striker on loan who can offer us something different up top, rather than spending 6 figures on someone like Jephcott who has little impact outside the box.I think whatever budget we have left should go on young fullbacks/wingers/midfielders that are here for the foreseeable future. The rest can be filled with loans
Agree about the back up to Stockley, need one through the building, who is decent but wouldn't be blowing the rest of our transfer budget on him.
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Just think if he'd scored both of those, he'd be on two already... Last season he seemed to have quite a few shots on target so I have faith.Stu_of_Kunming said:
If he keeps getting into the positions he did on Saturday, the goals will come.blackpool72 said:
Morgan 5 seriouslyCallumcafc said:
Stockley 15-20ValleyGary said:Still not sure that starting 11 has enough goals in it.
DJ & Kirk 15-20 between them
Gilbey 5-10
Morgan 5
Clare 5
Inniss & other defenders 5
Washington 10
That’s a 60-75 goals. The numbers add up quickly.0 -
Don’t think it’s a case of people writing this side off (and if they are, they shouldn’t) but it’s fair to say that goals could be an issue for us based on the track record of the players currently in the squad.Dazzler21 said:The thing is guys, with such a young side, they haven't had the opportunity to bang the goals in.
Stop writing this side off before they've got 2 league games under their belts. Wait til 5 or even 10 have passed at least... Shirley
Have faith, under Adkins we will come good.
Being maniacally positive won’t win us any points.7 -
Nope. Charlton and Sheffield both met the £500k release clause valuation and so Kirk appears to have chosen us.paulsturgess said:
Doesn’t that make it more likely we were mugged off and overpaid to fend off the sheff u interest?Dazzler21 said:addick1956 said:Why are fees undisclosed? Is it because we mugged Crewe or because they mugged us ? Or perhaps nobody wants to tell the tax man ?
Being that we beat off those Sheffield dicks with both hands, I'd assume nobody mugged anybody off and both parties are happy with the sum.
We made a deal, we must have been happy with it. Thomas has said he won't pay over the odds for players.
Perhaps we gave a guarantee of first team football. Or a Range Rover upgrade. F.O.CDeals are undisclosed so that clubs are left unaware of
1. How much clubs are spending and
2. How much money clubs make from deals.
Nothing to do with tax dodging or mugging one another off2 -
Left back would be somewhere I'd look at for a permanent signing. Just stops the same conversations about the position6
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Yes, the issue is many teams struggle to even find one goal scoring striker, let alone two.ValleyGary said:
Yeah I know I’m in the minority camp and it’s seen as a little outdated, but if you’ve got two goal scoring strikers that compliment each other I think it would be the difference at this level.FishCostaFortune said:
I don't think it's just Adkins, I don't think many teams play with 2 strikers these days. When I checked last weekend no one in league one was playing two up top.ValleyGary said:Yeah those numbers are definitely on the generous side!Personally would prefer another striker and play 4-4-2, but Adkins seems to prefer 1 up.0 -
Unless he keeps finishing like he did on saturdayStu_of_Kunming said:
If he keeps getting into the positions he did on Saturday, the goals will come.blackpool72 said:
Morgan 5 seriouslyCallumcafc said:
Stockley 15-20ValleyGary said:Still not sure that starting 11 has enough goals in it.
DJ & Kirk 15-20 between them
Gilbey 5-10
Morgan 5
Clare 5
Inniss & other defenders 5
Washington 10
That’s a 60-75 goals. The numbers add up quickly.0 -
It may have all been said already but my Crewe supporting mate just sent me this assessment:
We're disappointed to see him go but accept that it's inevitable. A few are feeling a bit unhappy that he's not moved to the Championship but most sane fans accept that in terms of stature of club and salary it will clearly be a step up for him. Also London or Crewe?I know which I'd pick!He's an interesting player and his partnership with our left back Harry Pickering was devastating and caused opposition teams so many problems. Pickering was sold to Blackburn and then came back on loan last season and so Kirk has never really played without him. This did cause some debate amongst our fans as to how effective he would be this season as they linked together so well. However, we'll not have to worry about this now!He's always played on the left of a 433 for us despite being right footed and spent lots of his time cutting inside, this opened up the space for Pickering to overlap although they would often switch these roles up.Not exceptionally quick but he has a trick or two and can beat a man. Decent finisher too. He's 6ft and can win a few headers. Very diligent at his work defensively too.Can be frustrating at times and it will be interesting to see how he copes with a bigger crowd if things aren't going well.19 -
Surely you could say the same about any loan player we have though? We've currently got Purrington who is only 25 and we've got 2 players who will be fighting for a spot in the U23's.MarcusH26 said:Left back would be somewhere I'd look at for a permanent signing. Just stops the same conversations about the position0 -
DOUCHER said:
agreed - morgan and dobson don't appear to have goals in them - gilby does but isn't a general type - i see him and clare as being interchangeable - break the bank for a goalscoring midfield playmaker who morgan can deputise for and a pacey left back now and we are in business - then sort the schwarz situation out one way or another and bring a CB inValleyGary said:Still not sure that starting 11 has enough goals in it.
Easy when you put it like that Doucher, piece of cake
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Championship side have offered 500,000 for Dale .. most likey Blackburnaddick1956 said:Lowery and or Dale now ?5 -
Don’t matter we know we hit the release clause which was 500,000addick1956 said:Why are fees undisclosed? Is it because we mugged Crewe or because they mugged us ? Or perhaps nobody wants to tell the tax man ?0 -
I don’t think so.SELR_addicks said:
Very very wishful thinking.Callumcafc said:
Stockley 15-20ValleyGary said:Still not sure that starting 11 has enough goals in it.
DJ & Kirk 15-20 between them
Gilbey 5-10
Morgan 5
Clare 5
Inniss & other defenders 5
Washington 10
That’s a 60-75 goals. The numbers add up quickly.
Stockley is the only one you'd be confident in.Stockley had eight goals in half a season last year. 15 should be the bare minimum for him. I’m sure he’s got a target of 20+ in his head.
Kirk and DJ should each be setting themselves a target of 10. If one of them makes that number, the other bloke only needs 5. Or more like a 6/9 7/8 split… Dream scenario is ten each but I agree that is towards the higher end of possibility.Gilbey’s game is about getting in the box and scoring goals. He struggled with that under Bowyer but we started to see the real player in there under Adkins with 3 goals in 10 starts. 10 goals across 30+ appearances is well within the realms of possibility.
I will be majorly disappointed if Morgan/Clare/JFC when he’s back don’t manage 10 goals between them. Morgan has to step up this year and I don’t think 5 goals is by any means a difficult thing to achieve. We know Jake has the ability to get the ball in the net occasionally and Clare has shown that at his previous clubs too.
Is five goals from Inniss, Famewo, Pearce, Gunter, Purrington and any other new defenders unrealistic? I don’t think so. I would be hoping for at least that off of set pieces this season.
Out of all the numbers, the only one that wasn’t pulled up was Washington. That’s the one that I think I’m stretching with the most! It’s clear Adkins wants to play 4-3-3 primarily and that is going to severely limit Conor’s minutes on the pitch.6 -
Agree Stockley is the No.9, long as whoever you get in as backup is good enough to provide some stiff competition to Stockley, a loan striker of that ilk could be hard to find that's all.ElliotCAFC said:eastterrace6168 said:
Get your point with the cost involved, but we need a striker with a proven record to support/back up Stockley, and maybe Jephcott is that player, and we will need to spend realistically to get the right player in, the alternative is reliance on youth ie DavisonElliotCAFC said:Can’t see anything in the Jephcott rumours. It’s been said before but we’re not going to spend that sort of money for someone to sit on the bench behind Stockley.
100% we need another striker, I just don’t think it would be wise to invest heavily in a backup.Stockley is our main man, our whole style of play is based around him doing what he does best. Any striker we do sign will be coming knowing they’re going to be starting on the bench most weeks. It makes more sense to sign a striker on loan who can offer us something different up top, rather than spending 6 figures on someone like Jephcott who has little impact outside the box.I think whatever budget we have left should go on young fullbacks/wingers/midfielders that are here for the foreseeable future. The rest can be filled with loans0 -
Agree about Washington, I don't think he'll be a regular starter and I think 7-8 goals would be an achievement. I think 10 from Clare, Gilbey and Morgan would be ok. We do need another midfield capable of scoring 7-8 goals and another winger capable of 4-5.Callumcafc said:
I don’t think so.SELR_addicks said:
Very very wishful thinking.Callumcafc said:
Stockley 15-20ValleyGary said:Still not sure that starting 11 has enough goals in it.
DJ & Kirk 15-20 between them
Gilbey 5-10
Morgan 5
Clare 5
Inniss & other defenders 5
Washington 10
That’s a 60-75 goals. The numbers add up quickly.
Stockley is the only one you'd be confident in.Stockley had eight goals in half a season last year. 15 should be the bare minimum for him. I’m sure he’s got a target of 20+ in his head.
Kirk and DJ should each be setting themselves a target of 10. If one of them makes that number, the other bloke only needs 5. Or more like a 6/9 7/8 split… Dream scenario is ten each but I agree that is towards the higher end of possibility.Gilbey’s game is about getting in the box and scoring goals. He struggled with that under Bowyer but we started to see the real player in there under Adkins with 3 goals in 10 starts. 10 goals across 30+ appearances is well within the realms of possibility.
I will be majorly disappointed if Morgan/Clare/JFC when he’s back don’t manage 10 goals between them. Morgan has to step up this year and I don’t think 5 goals is by any means a difficult thing to achieve. We know Jake has the ability to get the ball in the net occasionally and Clare has shown that at his previous clubs too.
Is five goals from Inniss, Famewo, Pearce, Gunter, Purrington and any other new defenders unrealistic? I don’t think so. I would be hoping for at least that off of set pieces this season.
Out of all the numbers, the only one that wasn’t pulled up was Washington. That’s the one that I think I’m stretching with the most! It’s clear Adkins wants to play 4-3-3 primarily and that is going to severely limit Conor’s minutes on the pitch.0
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