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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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Past performance is meaningless. Both Doherty and Fortune were totally past it, Doherty was past it before he even signed for us. Francis was totally useless for us and Matt Fry was probably the slowest full back we've ever had. He went on to play 6 games in League Two and then drop down to the conference. Their pedigree is irrelevant, when they stepped out for us they formed a terrible backline. Unless you can think of a worse one?soapboxsam said:Garrymanilow said:
The side we sent out against Walsall in 2010 was pretty heartbreaking. Elliot, Francis, Doherty, Fortune, Fry, Jackson, Semedo, Racon, Wagstaff, Anyinsah, Benson. If we've ever put out a worse backline than that I'll be shocked. We lost 1-0.DOUCHER said:the docherty, pavel abbot , daily era and crofts / foley was the worst i can remember although yes, in the early eighties when i first started going a fair amount, the likes of berry and tydeman were pretty uninspiring, as was the huge ground with not many fans in it meaning not much atmosphere - we're not far off a good team here with a good owner, good fanbase and a great stadium - TS needs to just go that extra bit now and we can take off again
The back four: Francis went on to Captain a side in the Premier. Doherty had been a Spurs player but was on borrowed time by the time he was at the valley. Fortune kept Shearer quiet in a game and was quite steady, plus he sent the Palace down so plus point straight away. Fry came from West ham from memory and had fitness problems.
No where near being the worse back four but Doherty was slower than Ben Watson and was baggage for the rest of the defense to carry.
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Do we know who the player training with us is yet?.....that @DOUCHER mentioned.
Was thinking it could be Viv Soloman-Otabor & that our medical / coaching team are trying to get him up to fitness before we agree a contract with him.
Could be a useful addition based on what he produced at Wigan last yr.2 -
just asked my mate for an update on that - will report back when i know anythingOh Eddie Youds... said:Do we know who the player training with us is yet?.....that @DOUCHER mentioned.
Was thinking it could be Viv Soloman-Otabor & that our medical / coaching team are trying to get him up to fitness before we agree a contract with him.
Could be a useful addition based on what he produced at Wigan last yr.13 -
Just snapped this car going up Sparrows Lane - Mean anything to anyone?
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6 more needed in my opinion. I hope we can get that many without taking 4 loans additional to Famewo. I think we should try and keep one or two loan slots open for January - usually easier to get a loan than a permanent signing in January.
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So here are the top ranked L1 "Assisters" from last season - I am only showing those aged 24 and under. Those who got promoted are presumably not an option but interesting to see Josh Sims on the list...cafcfan1990 said:
Definitely. I feel the missing AM is probably just about the only weak link in the first team.ShootersHillGuru said:
Disagree. Attacking central midfield is where we need to prioritise. We need a playmaker. I’d rather spend big on that position than get in a LB when we know Purrington won’t let us down. In fact I’d give the LB slot up to one of the loans spots.objectivecafc said:No.1 priority is a left back. - Purrington is solid but can overlap Kirk and deliver, so I'm saying a prem loan as priority will be to have 2 wing back type.
I can see us getting away with signing another 3 - 2 at a push on top of a LB if Schwartz isn't washed up and we think Deji can do a job.
For real depth we need to have more, but so far we have only signed players we want and I like that policy even if we do miss out more often.
Aaron Morley struck me as a defensive midfielder but his assists and heatmaps from last season suggest he is more of a number 10 and he could be well worth a look. At 21 years of age he fits the bill. Cracking distribution and very intelligent player but not the greatest defensively.
8 Assists
Josh Sims
Malik Wilks
Charlie Kirk
T Lowery
7 Assists
J Powell (Burton)
S Dembele (Posh)
A Morley (Rochdale)
J Yates (Blackpool)
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I think someone said earlier we only have 2 slots available unless we sell someoneExiled_Addick said:6 more needed in my opinion. I hope we can get that many without taking 4 loans additional to Famewo. I think we should try and keep one or two loan slots open for January - usually easier to get a loan than a permanent signing in January.0 -
I know I'm going to get absolute pelters for this but looking at the highlights of Kirk slamming balls across the area maybe Ronnie has a future? He must be looking at that and thinking he would fill his boots30
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7 hours since our last signing and no new rumours? What are the club doing?8
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reading through some of the stuff today, it seems that Kirk can also play in a nr 10 role but without doubt, for me a midfield general / playmaker is the most important remaining piece of the jigsaw and where the resources need to go5
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We definitely need a more attacking LB if we're going to play a 433 with the 2 winger cutting inside. You need to challenge their defence, so that they don't know whether to cover the winger or overlapping full back
I've a suspicion that Morgan, Clare and Dobson will be competing for 2 places, as we'll need a goal scoring midfielder to make the system work. That might be Gilbey, but I think we'll bring someone in2 -
Looks like we’re getting the defender we need.KiwiValley said:Just snapped this car going up Sparrows Lane - Mean anything to anyone?
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yep, pacey left back next on my list after the midfield general then its prem loans for cb, pacey striker/goalscorer and another wingerkillerandflash said:We definitely need a more attacking LB if we're going to play a 433 with the 2 winger cutting inside. You need to challenge their defence, so that they don't know whether to cover the winger of overlapping full back
I've a suspicion that Morgan, Clare and Dobson will be competing for 2 places, as we'll need a goal scoring midfielder to make the system work. That might be Gilbey, but I think we'll bring someone in1 -
I think the limit only applies to players registered. I'd therefore guess that JFC won't be registered until January. I'd probably let Schwartz go and not bring in a second choice keeper. That would increase it to 4 spots available for say 5 signings, so 1 would have to be under 20.AndyG said:
I think someone said earlier we only have 2 slots available unless we sell someoneExiled_Addick said:6 more needed in my opinion. I hope we can get that many without taking 4 loans additional to Famewo. I think we should try and keep one or two loan slots open for January - usually easier to get a loan than a permanent signing in January.
EDIT - I don't think goalkeepers are included at all. You are allowed to have 22 outfield players.0 -
if u look at the midfield and assume 2 players for every spot, i see a job share for dobson and watson (watson the understudy) golby and clare (clare probably the understudy), then morgan and ??? our star signing - morgan the understudy2
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Out of interest, which 6 of our current squad do you not want to play this season? Squad cap is in place.Exiled_Addick said:6 more needed in my opinion. I hope we can get that many without taking 4 loans additional to Famewo. I think we should try and keep one or two loan slots open for January - usually easier to get a loan than a permanent signing in January.0 -
Tbf mate I would say a goalscorer needs to be before that with the main resources we know we can defend its the goals that need to be brought in and aneke NEEDS replacing especially the goals !!DOUCHER said:
yep, pacey left back next on my list after the midfield general then its prem loans for cb, pacey striker/goalscorer and another wingerkillerandflash said:We definitely need a more attacking LB if we're going to play a 433 with the 2 winger cutting inside. You need to challenge their defence, so that they don't know whether to cover the winger of overlapping full back
I've a suspicion that Morgan, Clare and Dobson will be competing for 2 places, as we'll need a goal scoring midfielder to make the system work. That might be Gilbey, but I think we'll bring someone in1 -
You are allowed 22 outfield players in your squad.stoneroses19 said:
Out of interest, which 6 of our current squad do you not want to play this season? Squad cap is in place.Exiled_Addick said:6 more needed in my opinion. I hope we can get that many without taking 4 loans additional to Famewo. I think we should try and keep one or two loan slots open for January - usually easier to get a loan than a permanent signing in January.0 -
Including Kirk, i make it 22 outfield already, that’s why I was asking if someone wants 6 more in, which 6 will they exclude.cafcfan1990 said:
You are allowed 22 outfield players in your squad.stoneroses19 said:
Out of interest, which 6 of our current squad do you not want to play this season? Squad cap is in place.Exiled_Addick said:6 more needed in my opinion. I hope we can get that many without taking 4 loans additional to Famewo. I think we should try and keep one or two loan slots open for January - usually easier to get a loan than a permanent signing in January.Considering his constant comments on academy, Adkins isn’t going to dump all the youth out of the squad from the Wednesday game.Edit: just seen the posts saying under 21s don’t count, so can ignore what I’ve said about the younger academy players.0 -
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I counted it as 19 over 21s, meaning we have 3 places?ISawLeaburnScore said:A quick note for those saying we need more additions (which I quite agree with)... we now have only two senior squad places remaining unless we see exits (Dempsey, Davison, Schwartz). We have four matchday loan places left which can stretch that but any incoming player needs to be born pre 2000 to qualify as an U21 and not eat into our two spots. Goalkeepers (of any age) do not count.
Either way, players who are just over the 1st January 2000 are potentially vulnerable. I was surprised Dempsey was given another contract as he's over 21 and would take up a place. Interesting that he didn't feature yesterday, maybe he'll be loaned out or moved on
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I think we've got 19:stoneroses19 said:
Including Kirk, i make it 22 outfield already, that’s why I was asking if someone wants 6 more in, which 6 will they exclude.cafcfan1990 said:
You are allowed 22 outfield players in your squad.stoneroses19 said:
Out of interest, which 6 of our current squad do you not want to play this season? Squad cap is in place.Exiled_Addick said:6 more needed in my opinion. I hope we can get that many without taking 4 loans additional to Famewo. I think we should try and keep one or two loan slots open for January - usually easier to get a loan than a permanent signing in January.
Matthews, Gunter
Purrington
Inniss, Famewo, Pearce
Watson, Dobson, Morgan, Gilbey, Clare, Dempsey
DJ, Kirk, Washington
Stockley, Schwartz, Davison, Ghandour
EDIT - Excluding JFC so happy to count it as 20.2 -
AndyG said:
I think someone said earlier we only have 2 slots available unless we sell someoneExiled_Addick said:6 more needed in my opinion. I hope we can get that many without taking 4 loans additional to Famewo. I think we should try and keep one or two loan slots open for January - usually easier to get a loan than a permanent signing in January.
Sorry, genuine question, whch is this rule because of? I'm losing track of some of this stuff these days.
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Ghandour and Morgan both count as under 21.cafcfan1990 said:
I think we've got 19:stoneroses19 said:
Including Kirk, i make it 22 outfield already, that’s why I was asking if someone wants 6 more in, which 6 will they exclude.cafcfan1990 said:
You are allowed 22 outfield players in your squad.stoneroses19 said:
Out of interest, which 6 of our current squad do you not want to play this season? Squad cap is in place.Exiled_Addick said:6 more needed in my opinion. I hope we can get that many without taking 4 loans additional to Famewo. I think we should try and keep one or two loan slots open for January - usually easier to get a loan than a permanent signing in January.
Matthews, Gunter
Purrington
Inniss, Famewo, Pearce
Watson, Dobson, Morgan, Gilbey, Clare, Dempsey
DJ, Kirk, Washington
Stockley, Schwartz, Davison, Ghandour
EDIT - Excluding JFC so happy to count it as 20.
We have 18 senior outfield players according to the EFL definition.
The 2021/22 limit is 20.2 -
Apparently has an excellent passing Range, a real Roy of the rover!!!, think that’s covered it.😂Rylo said:
Looks like we’re getting the defender we need.KiwiValley said:Just snapped this car going up Sparrows Lane - Mean anything to anyone?2 -
Squad is capped to 22 outfield players, of which 8 have to be home grown. Believe it was brought in alongside the salary cap. The latter was scrapped but this hasn't been and actually, I don't think it's unreasonable.Exiled_Addick said:AndyG said:
I think someone said earlier we only have 2 slots available unless we sell someoneExiled_Addick said:6 more needed in my opinion. I hope we can get that many without taking 4 loans additional to Famewo. I think we should try and keep one or two loan slots open for January - usually easier to get a loan than a permanent signing in January.
Sorry, genuine question, whch is this rule because of? I'm losing track of some of this stuff these days.0 -
The priority is one thing. Promotion. Anything that hinders that including having players from the academy in the squad has to be wrong. The youngsters coming through will get their chance when they’re good enough. None of those currently on the fringe with the exception of Elewere should keep better players out of the 22.stoneroses19 said:
Including Kirk, i make it 22 outfield already, that’s why I was asking if someone wants 6 more in, which 6 will they exclude.cafcfan1990 said:
You are allowed 22 outfield players in your squad.stoneroses19 said:
Out of interest, which 6 of our current squad do you not want to play this season? Squad cap is in place.Exiled_Addick said:6 more needed in my opinion. I hope we can get that many without taking 4 loans additional to Famewo. I think we should try and keep one or two loan slots open for January - usually easier to get a loan than a permanent signing in January.Considering his constant comments on academy, Adkins isn’t going to dump all the youth out of the squad from the Wednesday game.2 -
A team can only register 22 players in their squad that are over 21. We currently have 22 so unless we lose some we only have 2 places availableExiled_Addick said:AndyG said:
I think someone said earlier we only have 2 slots available unless we sell someoneExiled_Addick said:6 more needed in my opinion. I hope we can get that many without taking 4 loans additional to Famewo. I think we should try and keep one or two loan slots open for January - usually easier to get a loan than a permanent signing in January.
Sorry, genuine question, whch is this rule because of? I'm losing track of some of this stuff these days.0 -
You sure it's 20 - EFL website says 22 - Microsoft Word - Regulations Season 2021-22 Final (efl.com) - page 68ISawLeaburnScore said:
Ghandour and Morgan both count as under 21.cafcfan1990 said:
I think we've got 19:stoneroses19 said:
Including Kirk, i make it 22 outfield already, that’s why I was asking if someone wants 6 more in, which 6 will they exclude.cafcfan1990 said:
You are allowed 22 outfield players in your squad.stoneroses19 said:
Out of interest, which 6 of our current squad do you not want to play this season? Squad cap is in place.Exiled_Addick said:6 more needed in my opinion. I hope we can get that many without taking 4 loans additional to Famewo. I think we should try and keep one or two loan slots open for January - usually easier to get a loan than a permanent signing in January.
Matthews, Gunter
Purrington
Inniss, Famewo, Pearce
Watson, Dobson, Morgan, Gilbey, Clare, Dempsey
DJ, Kirk, Washington
Stockley, Schwartz, Davison, Ghandour
EDIT - Excluding JFC so happy to count it as 20.
We have 18 senior outfield players according to the EFL definition.
The 2021/22 limit is 20.
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"League One and League Two clubs will be limited their squad size to 22 players for the 2020/21 season.
This will be reduced to 21 and 20 in subsequent seasons (2021/22 and 2022/23 season respectively).
Players aged under the age of 20 are exempt from these restrictions."
So guess we have 21 players allowed over 21.
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