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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

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  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters
    Henry Irving said:



    Do we want this sort of behaviour at the Valley?
    Oh that's lovely! I hope the bird fully recovered
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash
    Henry Irving said:



    Do we want this sort of behaviour at the Valley?
    We're playing the seagulls in July...
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike
    Airman Brown said:

    dickplumb said:

    Airman Brown said:

    A great deal of good information has emerged from a wide variety of sources over the last 15 months - prior to the end of December the club denied anything was going on and the media (with the exception of the Mail online in April 2017) took their lead from that.

    Even after December, information from the club has proven to be seriously misleading (Murray’s February prediction and, according to NLA, his assertion that the price and terms had then been agreed).

    The weakness of all information, including Murray’s and even Duchatelet’s, is that it has been based at best on a partial understanding of the various actors and failed, understandably, to predict changes of position. Some participants in the process - never mind people releasing information - have been proven naive.

    I spoke to a friend with a business journalism background, and he wasn’t in the least surprised by this. Indeed, he said unpredictability was inherent in business stories (probably because of the posturing involved in deal-making).

    The club could have managed the process better and reassured fans by being more transparent, but obviously Duchatelet regards fans as a necessary evil and places no value on managing their expectations, which is one reason why his whole tenure has been so turbulent. It is a foolish position and creates a vacuum others are bound to fill.

    As to whether we would have been better off knowing nothing, I personally cannot see it. It would only have added to the sense of despair that has surrounded the club, but of course it’s easy for some people with nothing useful to contribute to sneer. Perhaps that’s just who they are? It doesn’t change the fact that the narrative created by fans from information available has been correct and vastly more so than the official one.

    All very interesting but is the Takeover going to happen in the next couple of week ?

    Refer you to my tweet two weeks ago today, before @jamesseed had his meeting, that the Aussies expected to complete the deal in two to three weeks maximum. That was very much their expectation. It only came from them, but everything involving them since has been consistent with that. The relevant papers are with the league. Duchatelet appears willing to sell to them. Maybe they will get the go-ahead next week and Muir will return to announce it the following week? I would become concerned if it ran on longer than that.
    As always thanks for the update Airman. If you are in a position to do so could you clarify 1 x point for me as I do not know how the wheels at the EFL turn and work.

    You say "Duchatelet appears willing to sell to them" which indicates to me that a firm price and agreement has not been reached, or signed between the seller (RD) and the buyer (Muir).

    If this is so and I am understanding it correctly why have papers been sent to the EFL? Surely papers are only sent when a firm deal is struck and the EFL can take the deal as being serious.

    The EFL are not a vetting agency where you can repeatedly send them potential buyers to see if they pass the test.

  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin
    With Aiken and Murphy involved is there any link to the Everton owners perhaps?
  • CH4RLTON
    CH4RLTON
    dickplumb said:

    Airman Brown said:

    dickplumb said:

    Airman Brown said:

    A great deal of good information has emerged from a wide variety of sources over the last 15 months - prior to the end of December the club denied anything was going on and the media (with the exception of the Mail online in April 2017) took their lead from that.

    Even after December, information from the club has proven to be seriously misleading (Murray’s February prediction and, according to NLA, his assertion that the price and terms had then been agreed).

    The weakness of all information, including Murray’s and even Duchatelet’s, is that it has been based at best on a partial understanding of the various actors and failed, understandably, to predict changes of position. Some participants in the process - never mind people releasing information - have been proven naive.

    I spoke to a friend with a business journalism background, and he wasn’t in the least surprised by this. Indeed, he said unpredictability was inherent in business stories (probably because of the posturing involved in deal-making).

    The club could have managed the process better and reassured fans by being more transparent, but obviously Duchatelet regards fans as a necessary evil and places no value on managing their expectations, which is one reason why his whole tenure has been so turbulent. It is a foolish position and creates a vacuum others are bound to fill.

    As to whether we would have been better off knowing nothing, I personally cannot see it. It would only have added to the sense of despair that has surrounded the club, but of course it’s easy for some people with nothing useful to contribute to sneer. Perhaps that’s just who they are? It doesn’t change the fact that the narrative created by fans from information available has been correct and vastly more so than the official one.

    All very interesting but is the Takeover going to happen in the next couple of week ?

    Refer you to my tweet two weeks ago today, before @jamesseed had his meeting, that the Aussies expected to complete the deal in two to three weeks maximum. That was very much their expectation. It only came from them, but everything involving them since has been consistent with that. The relevant papers are with the league. Duchatelet appears willing to sell to them. Maybe they will get the go-ahead next week and Muir will return to announce it the following week? I would become concerned if it ran on longer than that.
    Thanks for the straightforward answer. Let us hope it FINALLY comes to an end.

    It seems to me as the end is nigh
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan
    HarryLime said:

    Isawsummersplay said:

    Is there actually anyone really in the know?

    Well Roly should, but as the chat with ROT proves his grasp of reality is a bit loose.
    TBH, I think he's in denial...not the Egyptian one.

    He is desperate to have us believe he's still in control. Although he has clearly stated our club is for sale, despite all the strong rumours, nay evidence, he will lie through his yellowing fangs to all & sundry until the new owner signs on the dotted line.

    He has perfected the art of blaming everyone for his imperfections & shortcomings - indeed he taught his acolyte well before she decided to cut and run for the hills(borough). Her defection will have stunned him momentarily but no doubt he will have recovered his equilibrium by putting on his dancing "ducts" & boogying the night away.

    This is one unique man.

    Of all the football clubs, in all the towns, in all the worlds, he had to walk into ours.

    But what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

    I believe we are on the brink of a new, exciting era for our famous football club.

    With a strengthened fan base & owners that want success, we'll consign the past four years to history in a drawer labelled "The Nightmeire Years" ....

    .....as we, the faithful play our part in steering our club onwards & upwards.

    Keep the faith !
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown
    edited May 2018
    eaststandmike said:

    Airman Brown said:

    dickplumb said:

    Airman Brown said:

    A great deal of good information has emerged from a wide variety of sources over the last 15 months - prior to the end of December the club denied anything was going on and the media (with the exception of the Mail online in April 2017) took their lead from that.

    Even after December, information from the club has proven to be seriously misleading (Murray’s February prediction and, according to NLA, his assertion that the price and terms had then been agreed).

    The weakness of all information, including Murray’s and even Duchatelet’s, is that it has been based at best on a partial understanding of the various actors and failed, understandably, to predict changes of position. Some participants in the process - never mind people releasing information - have been proven naive.

    I spoke to a friend with a business journalism background, and he wasn’t in the least surprised by this. Indeed, he said unpredictability was inherent in business stories (probably because of the posturing involved in deal-making).

    The club could have managed the process better and reassured fans by being more transparent, but obviously Duchatelet regards fans as a necessary evil and places no value on managing their expectations, which is one reason why his whole tenure has been so turbulent. It is a foolish position and creates a vacuum others are bound to fill.

    As to whether we would have been better off knowing nothing, I personally cannot see it. It would only have added to the sense of despair that has surrounded the club, but of course it’s easy for some people with nothing useful to contribute to sneer. Perhaps that’s just who they are? It doesn’t change the fact that the narrative created by fans from information available has been correct and vastly more so than the official one.

    All very interesting but is the Takeover going to happen in the next couple of week ?

    Refer you to my tweet two weeks ago today, before @jamesseed had his meeting, that the Aussies expected to complete the deal in two to three weeks maximum. That was very much their expectation. It only came from them, but everything involving them since has been consistent with that. The relevant papers are with the league. Duchatelet appears willing to sell to them. Maybe they will get the go-ahead next week and Muir will return to announce it the following week? I would become concerned if it ran on longer than that.
    As always thanks for the update Airman. If you are in a position to do so could you clarify 1 x point for me as I do not know how the wheels at the EFL turn and work.

    You say "Duchatelet appears willing to sell to them" which indicates to me that a firm price and agreement has not been reached, or signed between the seller (RD) and the buyer (Muir).

    If this is so and I am understanding it correctly why have papers been sent to the EFL? Surely papers are only sent when a firm deal is struck and the EFL can take the deal as being serious.

    The EFL are not a vetting agency where you can repeatedly send them potential buyers to see if they pass the test.

    What I mean by that is that Duchatelet has not suggested he is an obstacle to completion of the deal by the Aussies when asked. It would make no sense for full payment to be made without EFL approval and without that RD can truthfully say the deal is not done. Equally, I doubt you go to the EFL without firm expectation that it will be, probably secured by deposit. In the case of RD’s purchase there was certainly a deposit on exchange because we now know that Slater bragged about this being received without easy means to recover it if the deal failed to complete. They had already spent it, including elsewhere!
  • Mal
    Mal
    CH4RLTON said:

    dickplumb said:

    Airman Brown said:

    dickplumb said:

    Airman Brown said:

    A great deal of good information has emerged from a wide variety of sources over the last 15 months - prior to the end of December the club denied anything was going on and the media (with the exception of the Mail online in April 2017) took their lead from that.

    Even after December, information from the club has proven to be seriously misleading (Murray’s February prediction and, according to NLA, his assertion that the price and terms had then been agreed).

    The weakness of all information, including Murray’s and even Duchatelet’s, is that it has been based at best on a partial understanding of the various actors and failed, understandably, to predict changes of position. Some participants in the process - never mind people releasing information - have been proven naive.

    I spoke to a friend with a business journalism background, and he wasn’t in the least surprised by this. Indeed, he said unpredictability was inherent in business stories (probably because of the posturing involved in deal-making).

    The club could have managed the process better and reassured fans by being more transparent, but obviously Duchatelet regards fans as a necessary evil and places no value on managing their expectations, which is one reason why his whole tenure has been so turbulent. It is a foolish position and creates a vacuum others are bound to fill.

    As to whether we would have been better off knowing nothing, I personally cannot see it. It would only have added to the sense of despair that has surrounded the club, but of course it’s easy for some people with nothing useful to contribute to sneer. Perhaps that’s just who they are? It doesn’t change the fact that the narrative created by fans from information available has been correct and vastly more so than the official one.

    All very interesting but is the Takeover going to happen in the next couple of week ?

    Refer you to my tweet two weeks ago today, before @jamesseed had his meeting, that the Aussies expected to complete the deal in two to three weeks maximum. That was very much their expectation. It only came from them, but everything involving them since has been consistent with that. The relevant papers are with the league. Duchatelet appears willing to sell to them. Maybe they will get the go-ahead next week and Muir will return to announce it the following week? I would become concerned if it ran on longer than that.
    Thanks for the straightforward answer. Let us hope it FINALLY comes to an end.

    It seems to me as the end is nigh
    The END Is NIGH - I forgot to pick the Wife up this morning.
  • sammy391
    sammy391
    The Red Robin said:

    With Aiken and Murphy involved is there any link to the Everton owners perhaps?

    Well bexley box over on ITTV (who has been more or less bang on the money , he sends messages privately) says there is someone involved who is at least related to the family owning Everton - but he can only have a small % of cafc because of this
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick
    sammy391 said:

    The Red Robin said:

    With Aiken and Murphy involved is there any link to the Everton owners perhaps?

    Well bexley box over on ITTV (who has been more or less bang on the money , he sends messages privately) says there is someone involved who is at least related to the family owning Everton - but he can only have a small % of cafc because of this
    can we have Lookman back on loan then ;)
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  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin
    sammy391 said:

    The Red Robin said:

    With Aiken and Murphy involved is there any link to the Everton owners perhaps?

    Well bexley box over on ITTV (who has been more or less bang on the money , he sends messages privately) says there is someone involved who is at least related to the family owning Everton - but he can only have a small % of cafc because of this
    I'm sure Aiken and Murphy were involved in the Everton takeover.
  • FAVADDICK
    FAVADDICK
    Airman you need to get digging I've just been informed that Alisher Usmanov at arsenal is involved and the something to do with the Everton owners don't know how true but please find out and you jamesseed
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin
    edited May 2018
    FAVADDICK said:

    Airman you need to get digging I've just been informed that Alisher Usmanov at arsenal is involved and the something to do with the Everton owners don't know how true but please find out and you jamesseed

    I floated that idea on here last week. Not sure if you're on a wind-up though.
  • FAVADDICK
    FAVADDICK
    The Red Robin said:

    FAVADDICK said:

    Airman you need to get digging I've just been informed that Alisher Usmanov at arsenal is involved and the something to do with the Everton owners don't know how true but please find out and you jamesseed

    i floated that idea on here last week. Not sure if you're on a wind-up though.
    It's something I've just been told I'm hoping it's true
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin
    edited May 2018
    FAVADDICK said:

    The Red Robin said:

    FAVADDICK said:

    Airman you need to get digging I've just been informed that Alisher Usmanov at arsenal is involved and the something to do with the Everton owners don't know how true but please find out and you jamesseed

    i floated that idea on here last week. Not sure if you're on a wind-up though.
    It's something I've just been told I'm hoping it's true
    Well, Moshiri, the Everton majority shareholder was an Arsenal shareholder previously. It's never been really cleared up whether Usmanov is more involved with Everton than he lets on - which would be against ownership rules as Usmanov has a 30% stake in Arsenal.

    One of Usmanov’s companies, USM. also has a five-year naming rights deal with Everton’s Finch Farm training ground.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Usmanov did want out at Arsenal as he doesn't get on with Kroenke. He'd have to own a very minor stake in Charlton though as he is still involved with Arsenal. Unless he gets a former employee or associate to run the club for him...as Moshiri at Everton is alleged to have been doing. Pretty sure Murphy and Aiken were involved in the Everton takeover initially as well.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/01/06/arsenal-shareholder-alisher-usmanov-strikes-75m-deal-sponsor/

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/who-everton-training-ground-sponsors-12413248
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob
    FAVADDICK said:

    The Red Robin said:

    FAVADDICK said:

    Airman you need to get digging I've just been informed that Alisher Usmanov at arsenal is involved and the something to do with the Everton owners don't know how true but please find out and you jamesseed

    i floated that idea on here last week. Not sure if you're on a wind-up though.
    It's something I've just been told I'm hoping it's true
    Why would you want it to be true ?

    he isn't selling up at arsenal is he ?

    what is there to gain if he was somehow involved ?
  • Goonerhater
    Goonerhater
    The Russians are coming !!!! " into the Valley if death rode the 500"
  • FAVADDICK
    FAVADDICK
    The Red Robin said:

    FAVADDICK said:

    The Red Robin said:

    FAVADDICK said:

    Airman you need to get digging I've just been informed that Alisher Usmanov at arsenal is involved and the something to do with the Everton owners don't know how true but please find out and you jamesseed

    i floated that idea on here last week. Not sure if you're on a wind-up though.
    It's something I've just been told I'm hoping it's true
    Well, Moshiri, the Everton majority shareholder was an Arsenal shareholder previously. It's never been really cleared up whether Usmanov is more involved with Everton than he lets on - which would be against ownership rules as Usmanov has a 30% stake in Arsenal.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Usmanov did want out at Arsenal as he doesn't get on with Kroenke. He'd have to own a very minor stake in Charlton though as he is still involved with Arsenal. Unless he gets a former employee or associate to run the club for him...as Moshiri at Everton is alleged to have been doing. Pretty sure Murphy and Aiken were involved in the Everton takeover initially as well.
    It's all linking it self together apparently they were added to the EFL paperwork after it was sent and this is what we are waiting for
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving
    FAVADDICK said:

    The Red Robin said:

    FAVADDICK said:

    The Red Robin said:

    FAVADDICK said:

    Airman you need to get digging I've just been informed that Alisher Usmanov at arsenal is involved and the something to do with the Everton owners don't know how true but please find out and you jamesseed

    i floated that idea on here last week. Not sure if you're on a wind-up though.
    It's something I've just been told I'm hoping it's true
    Well, Moshiri, the Everton majority shareholder was an Arsenal shareholder previously. It's never been really cleared up whether Usmanov is more involved with Everton than he lets on - which would be against ownership rules as Usmanov has a 30% stake in Arsenal.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Usmanov did want out at Arsenal as he doesn't get on with Kroenke. He'd have to own a very minor stake in Charlton though as he is still involved with Arsenal. Unless he gets a former employee or associate to run the club for him...as Moshiri at Everton is alleged to have been doing. Pretty sure Murphy and Aiken were involved in the Everton takeover initially as well.
    It's all linking it self together apparently they were added to the EFL paperwork after it was sent and this is what we are waiting for
    Serious question @FAVADDICK is your source Colin/Bexley Boy?
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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving
    FAVADDICK said:

    It is is that a bad thing to me he has been right with the things he's been saying all along

    He really hasn't but never mind.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin
    Regardless of Bexley Boy, I think there may be more to this one. Not sure how it could happen but it hasn't stopped Usmanov's involvement with Everton.

    https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/sections-10--11---association-and-dual-interests-and-additional-provisions/
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc
    Thanks Colin
  • sammy391
    sammy391
    Henry Irving said:

    FAVADDICK said:

    It is is that a bad thing to me he has been right with the things he's been saying all along

    He really hasn't but never mind.
    Bexley has been private messaging some of us over on ITTV, a considerable amount of what he has said has gone on to be written/backed up by what either @Airman Brown or @JamesSeed have said
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin
    Has Keith Harris ever been involved with the Aussie bid?
  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad
    If you claim a million things will happen, chances are you will be right a couple of times.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc
    I hear that a special commemorative Pot Noodle will go on sale at Charlton Sainsburys once the deal goes through. Shrimp flavour.
  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry
    Abramovich might be available soon.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc
    cafc_harry said:

    Abramovich might be available soon.

    He moving us to Israel?
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike
    cafc_harry said:

    Abramovich might be available soon.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44315033

    You could be onto something there, shall we add him to the paperwork lodged at the EFL as well?
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