I dont trust RD as much as I don’t rust Richard Murray it does strike me as confusing though that a few months ago there was demands of one liar to talk and now another one is talking there is a ground swell not to hear
Right now I think it’s fair to say all parties are not being totally truthful with what is being said and to whom
And @Davidsmith has said about this having a bit longer to play out is going to be bang on the money
so you don't trust RD and he's not being truthful yet you have been using him as your source for months, without revealing so, and in doing so have been posting stuff as if it's fact which you are now saying it hasn't been. I don't think anyone is listening now.
I dont trust RD as much as I don’t rust Richard Murray it does strike me as confusing though that a few months ago there was demands of one liar to talk and now another one is talking there is a ground swell not to hear
Right now I think it’s fair to say all parties are not being totally truthful with what is being said and to whom
And @Davidsmith has said about this having a bit longer to play out is going to be bang on the money
so you don't trust RD and he's not being truthful yet you have been using him as your source for months, without revealing so, and in doing so have been posting stuff as if it's fact which you are now saying it hasn't been. I don't think anyone is listening now.
Thing is large what have I posted that’s been incorrect
Look back through everything I put was proven to be true
Imminent I said it wasn’t and was right Done deal I disagreed And was right Fee agreed I said it wasn’t up until you asked 10 days ago Aussie not having the funds and James Seed contact said it was still waiting investors to sign off
Not trusting RD is based on his in ability to run the club properly
Not trusting RM is based on the lies he has told to so many over so long
Now if the people who have been telling me bits and pieces had got any of the above wrong I wouldn’t have been quick to share however right now tell me what bits above have been proved wrong contrary to the popular believe that I was wrong each time I posted it
As I’m sure we all think, passing on of info is very welcome.
However it’s very easy to keep saying something isn’t happening until it happens
Even when it flies in the face of such certainty like done deal or imminent
I reckon it left me out there for a total red face
Is there actually anyone really aware of what is happening?
I'd imagine several people have posted crumbs of bonafide fact, but I doubt any one of them knows the entirety of the sale process as has often been proved. I said a couple of years ago that we would have to exercise patience in our desire to be rid of RD, and the same is true now in a wish for new owners. I understand that some people are desperate for information, but ultimately all the conjecture, gossip and what the Australians' plans are is immaterial until the sale is announced by the club and the new owners demonstrate their intent. Unless the whole sale collapses like a house of dog-eared cards, all that is needed now is patience...
What I have found most strange is the secrecy. The fact that Muir came out with a scarf on and spoke to fans suggested to me that this is probably down to Duchatelet. When I say I think he is mad on here, it is not an exageration intended to insult him, but an honestly held belief with the information in front of us!
I long for the days when all you needed was a gansey to get in the CL Clique.
What do you need to don to get into CL Royalty I wonder?????
What is a "gansey"?
A fisherman’s jumper
Technically yes. But in our house, anything woollen, handmade & itchy as feck was described as such. Killersbeard had a fine selection :-D
Which normally I am sure would have seen my automatic entry into the 'Clique' aka 'CL Royalty'. But sadly as my Mum assumed that I had one arm two foot longer than the other and a neck the width of an undernourished stork leg, I didn't even make it to the @Henry Irving 'button authorisation' stage!
Is there actually anyone really aware of what is happening?
I'd imagine several people have posted crumbs of bonafide fact, but I doubt any one of them knows the entirety of the sale process as has often been proved. I said a couple of years ago that we would have to exercise patience in our desire to be rid of RD, and the same is true now in a wish for new owners. I understand that some people are desperate for information, but ultimately all the conjecture, gossip and what the Australians' plans are is immaterial until the sale is announced by the club and the new owners demonstrate their intent. Unless the whole sale collapses like a house of dog-eared cards, all that is needed now is patience...
Why worry about knowing the entirety of the sales process? It's been so convoluted even the main players must have had their brains scrambled.
Is there actually anyone really aware of what is happening?
I'd imagine several people have posted crumbs of bonafide fact, but I doubt any one of them knows the entirety of the sale process as has often been proved. I said a couple of years ago that we would have to exercise patience in our desire to be rid of RD, and the same is true now in a wish for new owners. I understand that some people are desperate for information, but ultimately all the conjecture, gossip and what the Australians' plans are is immaterial until the sale is announced by the club and the new owners demonstrate their intent. Unless the whole sale collapses like a house of dog-eared cards, all that is needed now is patience...
Why worry about knowing the entirety of the sales process? It's been so convoluted even the main players must have had their brains scrambled.
I'm not remotely worried about it; I was simply answering Isawsummersplay's question.
A great deal of good information has emerged from a wide variety of sources over the last 15 months - prior to the end of December the club denied anything was going on and the media (with the exception of the Mail online in April 2017) took their lead from that.
Even after December, information from the club has proven to be seriously misleading (Murray’s February prediction and, according to NLA, his assertion that the price and terms had then been agreed).
The weakness of all information, including Murray’s and even Duchatelet’s, is that it has been based at best on a partial understanding of the various actors and failed, understandably, to predict changes of position. Some participants in the process - never mind people releasing information - have been proven naive.
I spoke to a friend with a business journalism background, and he wasn’t in the least surprised by this. Indeed, he said unpredictability was inherent in business stories (probably because of the posturing involved in deal-making).
The club could have managed the process better and reassured fans by being more transparent, but obviously Duchatelet regards fans as a necessary evil and places no value on managing their expectations, which is one reason why his whole tenure has been so turbulent. It is a foolish position and creates a vacuum others are bound to fill.
As to whether we would have been better off knowing nothing, I personally cannot see it. It would only have added to the sense of despair that has surrounded the club, but of course it’s easy for some people with nothing useful to contribute to sneer. Perhaps that’s just who they are? It doesn’t change the fact that the narrative created by fans from information available has been correct and vastly more so than the official one.
I had some information once - before Duchatalet and the grief I got for sharing it meant that I was never going to share anything like that again. Not from most, but one or two complete planks! I don't have any information on the current takeover btw! I am grateful for every bit of information provided by everybody who provides it and I think you are 100% correct -those that criticise - it is who they are? Might be best to leave it at that rather than describe them more eloquently.
A great deal of good information has emerged from a wide variety of sources over the last 15 months - prior to the end of December the club denied anything was going on and the media (with the exception of the Mail online in April 2017) took their lead from that.
Even after December, information from the club has proven to be seriously misleading (Murray’s February prediction and, according to NLA, his assertion that the price and terms had then been agreed).
The weakness of all information, including Murray’s and even Duchatelet’s, is that it has been based at best on a partial understanding of the various actors and failed, understandably, to predict changes of position. Some participants in the process - never mind people releasing information - have been proven naive.
I spoke to a friend with a business journalism background, and he wasn’t in the least surprised by this. Indeed, he said unpredictability was inherent in business stories (probably because of the posturing involved in deal-making).
The club could have managed the process better and reassured fans by being more transparent, but obviously Duchatelet regards fans as a necessary evil and places no value on managing their expectations, which is one reason why his whole tenure has been so turbulent. It is a foolish position and creates a vacuum others are bound to fill.
As to whether we would have been better off knowing nothing, I personally cannot see it. It would only have added to the sense of despair that has surrounded the club, but of course it’s easy for some people with nothing useful to contribute to sneer. Perhaps that’s just who they are? It doesn’t change the fact that the narrative created by fans from information available has been correct and vastly more so than the official one.
All very interesting but is the Takeover going to happen in the next couple of week ?
A great deal of good information has emerged from a wide variety of sources over the last 15 months - prior to the end of December the club denied anything was going on and the media (with the exception of the Mail online in April 2017) took their lead from that.
Even after December, information from the club has proven to be seriously misleading (Murray’s February prediction and, according to NLA, his assertion that the price and terms had then been agreed).
The weakness of all information, including Murray’s and even Duchatelet’s, is that it has been based at best on a partial understanding of the various actors and failed, understandably, to predict changes of position. Some participants in the process - never mind people releasing information - have been proven naive.
I spoke to a friend with a business journalism background, and he wasn’t in the least surprised by this. Indeed, he said unpredictability was inherent in business stories (probably because of the posturing involved in deal-making).
The club could have managed the process better and reassured fans by being more transparent, but obviously Duchatelet regards fans as a necessary evil and places no value on managing their expectations, which is one reason why his whole tenure has been so turbulent. It is a foolish position and creates a vacuum others are bound to fill.
As to whether we would have been better off knowing nothing, I personally cannot see it. It would only have added to the sense of despair that has surrounded the club, but of course it’s easy for some people with nothing useful to contribute to sneer. Perhaps that’s just who they are? It doesn’t change the fact that the narrative created by fans from information available has been correct and vastly more so than the official one.
All very interesting but is the Takeover going to happen in the next couple of week ?
Refer you to my tweet two weeks ago today, before @jamesseed had his meeting, that the Aussies expected to complete the deal in two to three weeks maximum. That was very much their expectation. It only came from them, but everything involving them since has been consistent with that. The relevant papers are with the league. Duchatelet appears willing to sell to them. Maybe they will get the go-ahead next week and Muir will return to announce it the following week? I would become concerned if it ran on longer than that.
A great deal of good information has emerged from a wide variety of sources over the last 15 months - prior to the end of December the club denied anything was going on and the media (with the exception of the Mail online in April 2017) took their lead from that.
Even after December, information from the club has proven to be seriously misleading (Murray’s February prediction and, according to NLA, his assertion that the price and terms had then been agreed).
The weakness of all information, including Murray’s and even Duchatelet’s, is that it has been based at best on a partial understanding of the various actors and failed, understandably, to predict changes of position. Some participants in the process - never mind people releasing information - have been proven naive.
I spoke to a friend with a business journalism background, and he wasn’t in the least surprised by this. Indeed, he said unpredictability was inherent in business stories (probably because of the posturing involved in deal-making).
The club could have managed the process better and reassured fans by being more transparent, but obviously Duchatelet regards fans as a necessary evil and places no value on managing their expectations, which is one reason why his whole tenure has been so turbulent. It is a foolish position and creates a vacuum others are bound to fill.
As to whether we would have been better off knowing nothing, I personally cannot see it. It would only have added to the sense of despair that has surrounded the club, but of course it’s easy for some people with nothing useful to contribute to sneer. Perhaps that’s just who they are? It doesn’t change the fact that the narrative created by fans from information available has been correct and vastly more so than the official one.
All very interesting but is the Takeover going to happen in the next couple of week ?
Refer you to my tweet two weeks ago today, before @jamesseed had his meeting, that the Aussies expected to complete the deal in two to three weeks maximum. That was very much their expectation. It only came from them, but everything involving them since has been consistent with that. The relevant papers are with the league. Duchatelet appears willing to sell to them. Maybe they will get the go-ahead next week and Muir will return to announce it the following week? I would become concerned if it ran on longer than that.
Thanks for the straightforward answer. Let us hope it FINALLY comes to an end.
A great deal of good information has emerged from a wide variety of sources over the last 15 months - prior to the end of December the club denied anything was going on and the media (with the exception of the Mail online in April 2017) took their lead from that.
Even after December, information from the club has proven to be seriously misleading (Murray’s February prediction and, according to NLA, his assertion that the price and terms had then been agreed).
The weakness of all information, including Murray’s and even Duchatelet’s, is that it has been based at best on a partial understanding of the various actors and failed, understandably, to predict changes of position. Some participants in the process - never mind people releasing information - have been proven naive.
I spoke to a friend with a business journalism background, and he wasn’t in the least surprised by this. Indeed, he said unpredictability was inherent in business stories (probably because of the posturing involved in deal-making).
The club could have managed the process better and reassured fans by being more transparent, but obviously Duchatelet regards fans as a necessary evil and places no value on managing their expectations, which is one reason why his whole tenure has been so turbulent. It is a foolish position and creates a vacuum others are bound to fill.
As to whether we would have been better off knowing nothing, I personally cannot see it. It would only have added to the sense of despair that has surrounded the club, but of course it’s easy for some people with nothing useful to contribute to sneer. Perhaps that’s just who they are? It doesn’t change the fact that the narrative created by fans from information available has been correct and vastly more so than the official one.
All very interesting but is the Takeover going to happen in the next couple of week ?
Refer you to my tweet two weeks ago today, before @jamesseed had his meeting, that the Aussies expected to complete the deal in two to three weeks maximum. That was very much their expectation. It only came from them, but everything involving them since has been consistent with that. The relevant papers are with the league. Duchatelet appears willing to sell to them. Maybe they will get the go-ahead next week and Muir will return to announce it the following week? I would become concerned if it ran on longer than that.
As always thanks for the update Airman. If you are in a position to do so could you clarify 1 x point for me as I do not know how the wheels at the EFL turn and work.
You say "Duchatelet appears willing to sell to them" which indicates to me that a firm price and agreement has not been reached, or signed between the seller (RD) and the buyer (Muir).
If this is so and I am understanding it correctly why have papers been sent to the EFL? Surely papers are only sent when a firm deal is struck and the EFL can take the deal as being serious.
The EFL are not a vetting agency where you can repeatedly send them potential buyers to see if they pass the test.
A great deal of good information has emerged from a wide variety of sources over the last 15 months - prior to the end of December the club denied anything was going on and the media (with the exception of the Mail online in April 2017) took their lead from that.
Even after December, information from the club has proven to be seriously misleading (Murray’s February prediction and, according to NLA, his assertion that the price and terms had then been agreed).
The weakness of all information, including Murray’s and even Duchatelet’s, is that it has been based at best on a partial understanding of the various actors and failed, understandably, to predict changes of position. Some participants in the process - never mind people releasing information - have been proven naive.
I spoke to a friend with a business journalism background, and he wasn’t in the least surprised by this. Indeed, he said unpredictability was inherent in business stories (probably because of the posturing involved in deal-making).
The club could have managed the process better and reassured fans by being more transparent, but obviously Duchatelet regards fans as a necessary evil and places no value on managing their expectations, which is one reason why his whole tenure has been so turbulent. It is a foolish position and creates a vacuum others are bound to fill.
As to whether we would have been better off knowing nothing, I personally cannot see it. It would only have added to the sense of despair that has surrounded the club, but of course it’s easy for some people with nothing useful to contribute to sneer. Perhaps that’s just who they are? It doesn’t change the fact that the narrative created by fans from information available has been correct and vastly more so than the official one.
All very interesting but is the Takeover going to happen in the next couple of week ?
Refer you to my tweet two weeks ago today, before @jamesseed had his meeting, that the Aussies expected to complete the deal in two to three weeks maximum. That was very much their expectation. It only came from them, but everything involving them since has been consistent with that. The relevant papers are with the league. Duchatelet appears willing to sell to them. Maybe they will get the go-ahead next week and Muir will return to announce it the following week? I would become concerned if it ran on longer than that.
Thanks for the straightforward answer. Let us hope it FINALLY comes to an end.
Well Roly should, but as the chat with ROT proves his grasp of reality is a bit loose.
TBH, I think he's in denial...not the Egyptian one.
He is desperate to have us believe he's still in control. Although he has clearly stated our club is for sale, despite all the strong rumours, nay evidence, he will lie through his yellowing fangs to all & sundry until the new owner signs on the dotted line.
He has perfected the art of blaming everyone for his imperfections & shortcomings - indeed he taught his acolyte well before she decided to cut and run for the hills(borough). Her defection will have stunned him momentarily but no doubt he will have recovered his equilibrium by putting on his dancing "ducts" & boogying the night away.
This is one unique man.
Of all the football clubs, in all the towns, in all the worlds, he had to walk into ours.
But what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
I believe we are on the brink of a new, exciting era for our famous football club.
With a strengthened fan base & owners that want success, we'll consign the past four years to history in a drawer labelled "The Nightmeire Years" ....
.....as we, the faithful play our part in steering our club onwards & upwards.
A great deal of good information has emerged from a wide variety of sources over the last 15 months - prior to the end of December the club denied anything was going on and the media (with the exception of the Mail online in April 2017) took their lead from that.
Even after December, information from the club has proven to be seriously misleading (Murray’s February prediction and, according to NLA, his assertion that the price and terms had then been agreed).
The weakness of all information, including Murray’s and even Duchatelet’s, is that it has been based at best on a partial understanding of the various actors and failed, understandably, to predict changes of position. Some participants in the process - never mind people releasing information - have been proven naive.
I spoke to a friend with a business journalism background, and he wasn’t in the least surprised by this. Indeed, he said unpredictability was inherent in business stories (probably because of the posturing involved in deal-making).
The club could have managed the process better and reassured fans by being more transparent, but obviously Duchatelet regards fans as a necessary evil and places no value on managing their expectations, which is one reason why his whole tenure has been so turbulent. It is a foolish position and creates a vacuum others are bound to fill.
As to whether we would have been better off knowing nothing, I personally cannot see it. It would only have added to the sense of despair that has surrounded the club, but of course it’s easy for some people with nothing useful to contribute to sneer. Perhaps that’s just who they are? It doesn’t change the fact that the narrative created by fans from information available has been correct and vastly more so than the official one.
All very interesting but is the Takeover going to happen in the next couple of week ?
Refer you to my tweet two weeks ago today, before @jamesseed had his meeting, that the Aussies expected to complete the deal in two to three weeks maximum. That was very much their expectation. It only came from them, but everything involving them since has been consistent with that. The relevant papers are with the league. Duchatelet appears willing to sell to them. Maybe they will get the go-ahead next week and Muir will return to announce it the following week? I would become concerned if it ran on longer than that.
As always thanks for the update Airman. If you are in a position to do so could you clarify 1 x point for me as I do not know how the wheels at the EFL turn and work.
You say "Duchatelet appears willing to sell to them" which indicates to me that a firm price and agreement has not been reached, or signed between the seller (RD) and the buyer (Muir).
If this is so and I am understanding it correctly why have papers been sent to the EFL? Surely papers are only sent when a firm deal is struck and the EFL can take the deal as being serious.
The EFL are not a vetting agency where you can repeatedly send them potential buyers to see if they pass the test.
What I mean by that is that Duchatelet has not suggested he is an obstacle to completion of the deal by the Aussies when asked. It would make no sense for full payment to be made without EFL approval and without that RD can truthfully say the deal is not done. Equally, I doubt you go to the EFL without firm expectation that it will be, probably secured by deposit. In the case of RD’s purchase there was certainly a deposit on exchange because we now know that Slater bragged about this being received without easy means to recover it if the deal failed to complete. They had already spent it, including elsewhere!
A great deal of good information has emerged from a wide variety of sources over the last 15 months - prior to the end of December the club denied anything was going on and the media (with the exception of the Mail online in April 2017) took their lead from that.
Even after December, information from the club has proven to be seriously misleading (Murray’s February prediction and, according to NLA, his assertion that the price and terms had then been agreed).
The weakness of all information, including Murray’s and even Duchatelet’s, is that it has been based at best on a partial understanding of the various actors and failed, understandably, to predict changes of position. Some participants in the process - never mind people releasing information - have been proven naive.
I spoke to a friend with a business journalism background, and he wasn’t in the least surprised by this. Indeed, he said unpredictability was inherent in business stories (probably because of the posturing involved in deal-making).
The club could have managed the process better and reassured fans by being more transparent, but obviously Duchatelet regards fans as a necessary evil and places no value on managing their expectations, which is one reason why his whole tenure has been so turbulent. It is a foolish position and creates a vacuum others are bound to fill.
As to whether we would have been better off knowing nothing, I personally cannot see it. It would only have added to the sense of despair that has surrounded the club, but of course it’s easy for some people with nothing useful to contribute to sneer. Perhaps that’s just who they are? It doesn’t change the fact that the narrative created by fans from information available has been correct and vastly more so than the official one.
All very interesting but is the Takeover going to happen in the next couple of week ?
Refer you to my tweet two weeks ago today, before @jamesseed had his meeting, that the Aussies expected to complete the deal in two to three weeks maximum. That was very much their expectation. It only came from them, but everything involving them since has been consistent with that. The relevant papers are with the league. Duchatelet appears willing to sell to them. Maybe they will get the go-ahead next week and Muir will return to announce it the following week? I would become concerned if it ran on longer than that.
Thanks for the straightforward answer. Let us hope it FINALLY comes to an end.
It seems to me as the end is nigh
The END Is NIGH - I forgot to pick the Wife up this morning.
With Aiken and Murphy involved is there any link to the Everton owners perhaps?
Well bexley box over on ITTV (who has been more or less bang on the money , he sends messages privately) says there is someone involved who is at least related to the family owning Everton - but he can only have a small % of cafc because of this
With Aiken and Murphy involved is there any link to the Everton owners perhaps?
Well bexley box over on ITTV (who has been more or less bang on the money , he sends messages privately) says there is someone involved who is at least related to the family owning Everton - but he can only have a small % of cafc because of this
With Aiken and Murphy involved is there any link to the Everton owners perhaps?
Well bexley box over on ITTV (who has been more or less bang on the money , he sends messages privately) says there is someone involved who is at least related to the family owning Everton - but he can only have a small % of cafc because of this
I'm sure Aiken and Murphy were involved in the Everton takeover.
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You don't have to be as optimistic as him or 100% rely on what his source says but it's a bit more than guesswork imho.
The bite size thread at the top of page gives a summary, albeit badly written by @AFKABartram
I reckon it left me out there for a total red face
I said a couple of years ago that we would have to exercise patience in our desire to be rid of RD, and the same is true now in a wish for new owners. I understand that some people are desperate for information, but ultimately all the conjecture, gossip and what the Australians' plans are is immaterial until the sale is announced by the club and the new owners demonstrate their intent.
Unless the whole sale collapses like a house of dog-eared cards, all that is needed now is patience...
This is how I see things with everything I don’t know
That’s it hope that helps.
Do we want this sort of behaviour at the Valley?
Even after December, information from the club has proven to be seriously misleading (Murray’s February prediction and, according to NLA, his assertion that the price and terms had then been agreed).
The weakness of all information, including Murray’s and even Duchatelet’s, is that it has been based at best on a partial understanding of the various actors and failed, understandably, to predict changes of position. Some participants in the process - never mind people releasing information - have been proven naive.
I spoke to a friend with a business journalism background, and he wasn’t in the least surprised by this. Indeed, he said unpredictability was inherent in business stories (probably because of the posturing involved in deal-making).
The club could have managed the process better and reassured fans by being more transparent, but obviously Duchatelet regards fans as a necessary evil and places no value on managing their expectations, which is one reason why his whole tenure has been so turbulent. It is a foolish position and creates a vacuum others are bound to fill.
As to whether we would have been better off knowing nothing, I personally cannot see it. It would only have added to the sense of despair that has surrounded the club, but of course it’s easy for some people with nothing useful to contribute to sneer. Perhaps that’s just who they are? It doesn’t change the fact that the narrative created by fans from information available has been correct and vastly more so than the official one.
I ran so far away
I just ran
I ran all night and day
I couldn't get away
You say "Duchatelet appears willing to sell to them" which indicates to me that a firm price and agreement has not been reached, or signed between the seller (RD) and the buyer (Muir).
If this is so and I am understanding it correctly why have papers been sent to the EFL? Surely papers are only sent when a firm deal is struck and the EFL can take the deal as being serious.
The EFL are not a vetting agency where you can repeatedly send them potential buyers to see if they pass the test.
It seems to me as the end is nigh
He is desperate to have us believe he's still in control. Although he has clearly stated our club is for sale, despite all the strong rumours, nay evidence, he will lie through his yellowing fangs to all & sundry until the new owner signs on the dotted line.
He has perfected the art of blaming everyone for his imperfections & shortcomings - indeed he taught his acolyte well before she decided to cut and run for the hills(borough). Her defection will have stunned him momentarily but no doubt he will have recovered his equilibrium by putting on his dancing "ducts" & boogying the night away.
This is one unique man.
Of all the football clubs, in all the towns, in all the worlds, he had to walk into ours.
But what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
I believe we are on the brink of a new, exciting era for our famous football club.
With a strengthened fan base & owners that want success, we'll consign the past four years to history in a drawer labelled "The Nightmeire Years" ....
.....as we, the faithful play our part in steering our club onwards & upwards.
Keep the faith !