The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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This point never makes sense to me, how is someone suppose to get experience at a certain level if owners should only recruit people who’ve experience at that certain level.East_Stand_Loopy said:
1) Kewell has NO experience at this level. He has only managed at League 2.Stig said:
I can understand that given our experiences with Riga, Peeters and Fraeye, but at least Kewell has recent management experience in this division and a long background in English football.Man_About_Town said:I’d be hugely disappointed if Kewell came in as Manager. Superficially it would seem that he’s only being appointed because he’s an Aussie.
Who is really a better option anyway? I know that LB and JJ are riding high in the opinion polls this week, and rightly so after the weekend, but their experience of management is limited to one week. Frankly, I'd expect any incoming owners to have a bit more of a plan about them than to choose a manager on the basis of one match.
I've nothing against Bowyer. If I was the incumbent owner (and I don't mean Two Shats - the thought of being him makes me sick) I'd stick with him until the end of the season at least. I'd expect different from new owners though and honestly can't see any reason to be disappointed if their new man was Kewell.
2) Our most successful manager of recent years was appointed with exactly the same record as Bowyer has now. One game, one win, as caretaker manager. I refer to Chris Powell.
I have nothing against Kewell, but your arguments don't stack up.6 -
That's true, but the context here is why he would/wouldn't be a better choice than Bowyer/Jackson.BR7_addick said:
This point never makes sense to me, how is someone suppose to get experience at a certain level if owners should only recruit people who’ve experience at that certain level.East_Stand_Loopy said:
1) Kewell has NO experience at this level. He has only managed at League 2.Stig said:
I can understand that given our experiences with Riga, Peeters and Fraeye, but at least Kewell has recent management experience in this division and a long background in English football.Man_About_Town said:I’d be hugely disappointed if Kewell came in as Manager. Superficially it would seem that he’s only being appointed because he’s an Aussie.
Who is really a better option anyway? I know that LB and JJ are riding high in the opinion polls this week, and rightly so after the weekend, but their experience of management is limited to one week. Frankly, I'd expect any incoming owners to have a bit more of a plan about them than to choose a manager on the basis of one match.
I've nothing against Bowyer. If I was the incumbent owner (and I don't mean Two Shats - the thought of being him makes me sick) I'd stick with him until the end of the season at least. I'd expect different from new owners though and honestly can't see any reason to be disappointed if their new man was Kewell.
2) Our most successful manager of recent years was appointed with exactly the same record as Bowyer has now. One game, one win, as caretaker manager. I refer to Chris Powell.
I have nothing against Kewell, but your arguments don't stack up.2 -
Read the original poster's comment.BR7_addick said:
This point never makes sense to me, how is someone suppose to get experience at a certain level if owners should only recruit people who’ve experience at that certain level.East_Stand_Loopy said:
1) Kewell has NO experience at this level. He has only managed at League 2.Stig said:
I can understand that given our experiences with Riga, Peeters and Fraeye, but at least Kewell has recent management experience in this division and a long background in English football.Man_About_Town said:I’d be hugely disappointed if Kewell came in as Manager. Superficially it would seem that he’s only being appointed because he’s an Aussie.
Who is really a better option anyway? I know that LB and JJ are riding high in the opinion polls this week, and rightly so after the weekend, but their experience of management is limited to one week. Frankly, I'd expect any incoming owners to have a bit more of a plan about them than to choose a manager on the basis of one match.
I've nothing against Bowyer. If I was the incumbent owner (and I don't mean Two Shats - the thought of being him makes me sick) I'd stick with him until the end of the season at least. I'd expect different from new owners though and honestly can't see any reason to be disappointed if their new man was Kewell.
2) Our most successful manager of recent years was appointed with exactly the same record as Bowyer has now. One game, one win, as caretaker manager. I refer to Chris Powell.
I have nothing against Kewell, but your arguments don't stack up.
"I can understand that given our experiences with Riga, Peeters and Fraeye, but at least Kewell has recent management experience in this division and a long background in English football."
As I said, he has NO experience at this level. We are in League 1, he has NO management experience in League 1...0 -
Am I right in saying that people would still prefer Kwell come in rather than stick with an arguably better, easier to move forward, option in Bow/JJ?1
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You'd have to say from reading the spiel on the Oz consortium website that a big part of their plans is to make whichever club they choose a household name in Australia. To do that,and I'm just speculating here, the whole set up will need a real Australian flavour to give the club some appeal back home, hence the arrival of Kewell. This would be followed I guess with a fair smuttering of Australian youngsters filtering through the academy and probably more coaches with an Oz background and sporting philosophy.
Whether that really is the best way forward for this club only time will tell I guess. The distance between the two different spheres of interest couldn't be worse geographically in my opinion.
There will be a fair amount of scepticism around on the Charlton supporters part and rightly so.
Yes it's not Duchatelet. But could we be moving from one harebraned scheme to another??6 -
Yes I believe socarly burn said:You'd have to say from reading the spiel on the Oz consortium website that a big part of their plans is to make whichever club they choose a household name in Australia. To do that,and I'm just speculating here, the whole set up will need a real Australian flavour to give the club some appeal back home, hence the arrival of Kewell. This would be followed I guess with a fair smuttering of Australian youngsters filtering through the academy and probably more coaches with an Oz background and sporting philosophy.
Whether that really is the best way forward for this club only time will tell I guess. The distance between the two different spheres of interest couldn't be worse geographically in my opinion.
There will be a fair amount of scepticism around on the Charlton supporters part and rightly so.
Yes it's not Duchatelet. But could we be moving from one harebraned scheme to another??0 -
How do you nobble a mitre football?5
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On this basis, let’s appoint Paul JewelEast_Stand_Loopy said:
1) Kewell has NO experience at this level. He has only managed at League 2.Stig said:
I can understand that given our experiences with Riga, Peeters and Fraeye, but at least Kewell has recent management experience in this division and a long background in English football.Man_About_Town said:I’d be hugely disappointed if Kewell came in as Manager. Superficially it would seem that he’s only being appointed because he’s an Aussie.
Who is really a better option anyway? I know that LB and JJ are riding high in the opinion polls this week, and rightly so after the weekend, but their experience of management is limited to one week. Frankly, I'd expect any incoming owners to have a bit more of a plan about them than to choose a manager on the basis of one match.
I've nothing against Bowyer. If I was the incumbent owner (and I don't mean Two Shats - the thought of being him makes me sick) I'd stick with him until the end of the season at least. I'd expect different from new owners though and honestly can't see any reason to be disappointed if their new man was Kewell.
2) Our most successful manager of recent years was appointed with exactly the same record as Bowyer has now. One game, one win, as caretaker manager. I refer to Chris Powell.
I have nothing against Kewell, but your arguments don't stack up.0 -
So the only reason Keeell May get the gig is because he is Australian and NOT necessarily because he is best man for the job? It makes no more sense than any of RDs appointments. I suppose we may also replace the Red Robin with Waltzing Matilda, a new Club Crest with a Koala on it and/or our junior coaches with Aussies?carly burn said:You'd have to say from reading the spiel on the Oz consortium website that a big part of their plans is to make whichever club they choose a household name in Australia. To do that,and I'm just speculating here, the whole set up will need a real Australian flavour to give the club some appeal back home, hence the arrival of Kewell. This would be followed I guess with a fair smuttering of Australian youngsters filtering through the academy and probably more coaches with an Oz background and sporting philosophy.
Whether that really is the best way forward for this club only time will tell I guess. The distance between the two different spheres of interest couldn't be worse geographically in my opinion.
There will be a fair amount of scepticism around on the Charlton supporters part and rightly so.
Yes it's not Duchatelet. But could we be moving from one harebraned scheme to another??
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Not me, and certainly not Kwell (or even Kewell). Think he could probably do a good job - but would much rather keep bow/JJ in there until the end of the season (if not more). Why disrupt the team at this moment in time? Bow/JJ know the players, their strengths and weaknesses and appear to have the support of them. Crazy to risk breaking that at this point in the season.i_b_b_o_r_g said:Am I right in saying that people would still prefer Kwell come in rather than stick with an arguably better, easier to move forward, option in Bow/JJ?
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Imo the harry kewell rumours are like the Dennis wise ones, just people putting 2 and 2 together to make 5.
Would much prefer bow and jacko til end of season and then grab Powell over the summer.6 -
I would rather give LB/JJ a run until the end of the season but if Kewell's arrival marked the end of Duchatelet then I could live with it TBH5
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I don't get the scepticism over Kewell. He's got more managerial experience than Bowyer, who most would seem to accept, although to be fair Bowyer has more experience in running a fishing lake in France. If Kewell was British this discussion wouldn't be happening. I've no idea if Kewell is the right man for the job but then again I've no idea if Bowyer is. If Kewell gets the job I'm prepared to accept it. I'd rather him than a has been like Robinson, Slade etc.5
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Is that a new collective noun? A smuttering of Australians? - it works. Although fair is not an appropriate term to use in relation to Ozzie’s at the moment.carly burn said:You'd have to say from reading the spiel on the Oz consortium website that a big part of their plans is to make whichever club they choose a household name in Australia. To do that,and I'm just speculating here, the whole set up will need a real Australian flavour to give the club some appeal back home, hence the arrival of Kewell. This would be followed I guess with a fair smuttering of Australian youngsters filtering through the academy and probably more coaches with an Oz background and sporting philosophy.
Whether that really is the best way forward for this club only time will tell I guess. The distance between the two different spheres of interest couldn't be worse geographically in my opinion.
There will be a fair amount of scepticism around on the Charlton supporters part and rightly so.
Yes it's not Duchatelet. But could we be moving from one harebraned scheme to another??
Also I think quantities of distance is more to do with a matter of fact than opinion.
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Basically your only choice is to rotate between Hughes / Pardew / Pulis / AllerdyceBR7_addick said:
This point never makes sense to me, how is someone suppose to get experience at a certain level if owners should only recruit people who’ve experience at that certain level.East_Stand_Loopy said:
1) Kewell has NO experience at this level. He has only managed at League 2.Stig said:
I can understand that given our experiences with Riga, Peeters and Fraeye, but at least Kewell has recent management experience in this division and a long background in English football.Man_About_Town said:I’d be hugely disappointed if Kewell came in as Manager. Superficially it would seem that he’s only being appointed because he’s an Aussie.
Who is really a better option anyway? I know that LB and JJ are riding high in the opinion polls this week, and rightly so after the weekend, but their experience of management is limited to one week. Frankly, I'd expect any incoming owners to have a bit more of a plan about them than to choose a manager on the basis of one match.
I've nothing against Bowyer. If I was the incumbent owner (and I don't mean Two Shats - the thought of being him makes me sick) I'd stick with him until the end of the season at least. I'd expect different from new owners though and honestly can't see any reason to be disappointed if their new man was Kewell.
2) Our most successful manager of recent years was appointed with exactly the same record as Bowyer has now. One game, one win, as caretaker manager. I refer to Chris Powell.
I have nothing against Kewell, but your arguments don't stack up.3 -
Surely it should be a "scratching" of Australians?KiwiValley said:
Is that a new collective noun? A smuttering of Australians? - it works. Although fair is not an appropriate term to use in relation to Ozzie’s at the moment.carly burn said:You'd have to say from reading the spiel on the Oz consortium website that a big part of their plans is to make whichever club they choose a household name in Australia. To do that,and I'm just speculating here, the whole set up will need a real Australian flavour to give the club some appeal back home, hence the arrival of Kewell. This would be followed I guess with a fair smuttering of Australian youngsters filtering through the academy and probably more coaches with an Oz background and sporting philosophy.
Whether that really is the best way forward for this club only time will tell I guess. The distance between the two different spheres of interest couldn't be worse geographically in my opinion.
There will be a fair amount of scepticism around on the Charlton supporters part and rightly so.
Yes it's not Duchatelet. But could we be moving from one harebraned scheme to another??
Also I think quantities of distance is more to do with a matter of fact than opinion.9 -
I got the 'P' right!Chizz said:
That will come as a shock to many Southend fans.ElfsborgAddick said:
Curbishley and Powell have been out of the game too long, although I do agree with your post.DOUCHER said:The club needs uniting and it needs to regain its identity and spirit and get some momentum back. I'm not sure kewell would give us that but anybody who gets the team winning probably would to an extent I guess. The ideal way would be to get some club men back at the helm. Bowyer and jj have been a good step in that direction but the icing on the cake would surely be for the likes of curbs and peacock to come into the set up in some way as well. If I was the new owner I would have been onto curbs before I even considered bidding - what a buzz that would create
A management team with strong Charlton connections would be a great start to galvanising the fans and club again. This is badly needed after being torn apart over the past 4 1/2 years.1 -
At least somebody knew who I was referring to instead of going for the cheap like/lol count!DOUCHER said:
Fair point but I think peacock had been out of the game for quite a while when curbs had him in as part of his coaching team - a mentor type roleElfsborgAddick said:
Curbishley and Powell have been out of the game too long, although I do agree with your post.DOUCHER said:The club needs uniting and it needs to regain its identity and spirit and get some momentum back. I'm not sure kewell would give us that but anybody who gets the team winning probably would to an extent I guess. The ideal way would be to get some club men back at the helm. Bowyer and jj have been a good step in that direction but the icing on the cake would surely be for the likes of curbs and peacock to come into the set up in some way as well. If I was the new owner I would have been onto curbs before I even considered bidding - what a buzz that would create
A management team with strong Charlton connections would be a great start to galvanising the fans and club again. This is badly needed after being torn apart over the past 4 1/2 years.0 -
I think it is a "conviction of Australians".Pedro45 said:
Surely it should be a "scratching" of Australians?KiwiValley said:
Is that a new collective noun? A smuttering of Australians? - it works. Although fair is not an appropriate term to use in relation to Ozzie’s at the moment.carly burn said:You'd have to say from reading the spiel on the Oz consortium website that a big part of their plans is to make whichever club they choose a household name in Australia. To do that,and I'm just speculating here, the whole set up will need a real Australian flavour to give the club some appeal back home, hence the arrival of Kewell. This would be followed I guess with a fair smuttering of Australian youngsters filtering through the academy and probably more coaches with an Oz background and sporting philosophy.
Whether that really is the best way forward for this club only time will tell I guess. The distance between the two different spheres of interest couldn't be worse geographically in my opinion.
There will be a fair amount of scepticism around on the Charlton supporters part and rightly so.
Yes it's not Duchatelet. But could we be moving from one harebraned scheme to another??
Also I think quantities of distance is more to do with a matter of fact than opinion.10 -
The biggest problem we have as supporters at this time is, were all very on edge, by that I mean we have become so used to the drivel served up by both Meire and Roland, that were questioning every rumour and snippet we read or hear about on new owners.
We all have opinions, but perhaps it's worth thinking now about what we would like to see happen in supporter relations with the new owners, and how we could help build our great club back up again, over 4 and a half years the club has lost so many good people, some of which have had so much influence in the effectiveness of the CARD campaign, dont let us lose them.0 - Sponsored links:
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That is the exact opposite of my point.ForeverAddickted said:
Basically your only choice is to rotate between Hughes / Pardew / Pulis / AllerdyceBR7_addick said:
This point never makes sense to me, how is someone suppose to get experience at a certain level if owners should only recruit people who’ve experience at that certain level.East_Stand_Loopy said:
1) Kewell has NO experience at this level. He has only managed at League 2.Stig said:
I can understand that given our experiences with Riga, Peeters and Fraeye, but at least Kewell has recent management experience in this division and a long background in English football.Man_About_Town said:I’d be hugely disappointed if Kewell came in as Manager. Superficially it would seem that he’s only being appointed because he’s an Aussie.
Who is really a better option anyway? I know that LB and JJ are riding high in the opinion polls this week, and rightly so after the weekend, but their experience of management is limited to one week. Frankly, I'd expect any incoming owners to have a bit more of a plan about them than to choose a manager on the basis of one match.
I've nothing against Bowyer. If I was the incumbent owner (and I don't mean Two Shats - the thought of being him makes me sick) I'd stick with him until the end of the season at least. I'd expect different from new owners though and honestly can't see any reason to be disappointed if their new man was Kewell.
2) Our most successful manager of recent years was appointed with exactly the same record as Bowyer has now. One game, one win, as caretaker manager. I refer to Chris Powell.
I have nothing against Kewell, but your arguments don't stack up.0 -
Read their statement. It's not hard to assume that they want to put an Australian stamp on whichever club they get.Man_About_Town said:
So the only reason Keeell May get the gig is because he is Australian and NOT necessarily because he is best man for the job? It makes no more sense than any of RDs appointments. I suppose we may also replace the Red Robin with Waltzing Matilda, a new Club Crest with a Koala on it and/or our junior coaches with Aussies?carly burn said:You'd have to say from reading the spiel on the Oz consortium website that a big part of their plans is to make whichever club they choose a household name in Australia. To do that,and I'm just speculating here, the whole set up will need a real Australian flavour to give the club some appeal back home, hence the arrival of Kewell. This would be followed I guess with a fair smuttering of Australian youngsters filtering through the academy and probably more coaches with an Oz background and sporting philosophy.
Whether that really is the best way forward for this club only time will tell I guess. The distance between the two different spheres of interest couldn't be worse geographically in my opinion.
There will be a fair amount of scepticism around on the Charlton supporters part and rightly so.
Yes it's not Duchatelet. But could we be moving from one harebraned scheme to another??0 -
There's more to this one.kentaddick said:Imo the harry kewell rumours are like the Dennis wise ones, just people putting 2 and 2 together to make 5.
Would much prefer bow and jacko til end of season and then grab Powell over the summer.2 -
Any idea on timings RH?Redhenry said:
There's more to this one.kentaddick said:Imo the harry kewell rumours are like the Dennis wise ones, just people putting 2 and 2 together to make 5.
Would much prefer bow and jacko til end of season and then grab Powell over the summer.
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Ah if you were merely stating the fact that he has no experience at this level rather than using it as a point NOT to appoint him then I retract my response.East_Stand_Loopy said:
Read the original poster's comment.BR7_addick said:
This point never makes sense to me, how is someone suppose to get experience at a certain level if owners should only recruit people who’ve experience at that certain level.East_Stand_Loopy said:
1) Kewell has NO experience at this level. He has only managed at League 2.Stig said:
I can understand that given our experiences with Riga, Peeters and Fraeye, but at least Kewell has recent management experience in this division and a long background in English football.Man_About_Town said:I’d be hugely disappointed if Kewell came in as Manager. Superficially it would seem that he’s only being appointed because he’s an Aussie.
Who is really a better option anyway? I know that LB and JJ are riding high in the opinion polls this week, and rightly so after the weekend, but their experience of management is limited to one week. Frankly, I'd expect any incoming owners to have a bit more of a plan about them than to choose a manager on the basis of one match.
I've nothing against Bowyer. If I was the incumbent owner (and I don't mean Two Shats - the thought of being him makes me sick) I'd stick with him until the end of the season at least. I'd expect different from new owners though and honestly can't see any reason to be disappointed if their new man was Kewell.
2) Our most successful manager of recent years was appointed with exactly the same record as Bowyer has now. One game, one win, as caretaker manager. I refer to Chris Powell.
I have nothing against Kewell, but your arguments don't stack up.
"I can understand that given our experiences with Riga, Peeters and Fraeye, but at least Kewell has recent management experience in this division and a long background in English football."
As I said, he has NO experience at this level. We are in League 1, he has NO management experience in League 1...0 -
A tampering of Australians.12
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Still no chance for the money men to pip them at the post?0
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Oh Peacock. I thought you were talking about Colin Powell. Managing Margate is about the right level of experience under Roland.ElfsborgAddick said:
At least somebody knew who I was referring to instead of going for the cheap like/lol count!DOUCHER said:
Fair point but I think peacock had been out of the game for quite a while when curbs had him in as part of his coaching team - a mentor type roleElfsborgAddick said:
Curbishley and Powell have been out of the game too long, although I do agree with your post.DOUCHER said:The club needs uniting and it needs to regain its identity and spirit and get some momentum back. I'm not sure kewell would give us that but anybody who gets the team winning probably would to an extent I guess. The ideal way would be to get some club men back at the helm. Bowyer and jj have been a good step in that direction but the icing on the cake would surely be for the likes of curbs and peacock to come into the set up in some way as well. If I was the new owner I would have been onto curbs before I even considered bidding - what a buzz that would create
A management team with strong Charlton connections would be a great start to galvanising the fans and club again. This is badly needed after being torn apart over the past 4 1/2 years.0 -
That's correct. Lee Bowyer, with one game, has more experience at managing at League 1, than Kewell has.BR7_addick said:
Ah if you were merely stating the fact that he has no experience at this level rather than using it as a point NOT to appoint him then I retract my response.East_Stand_Loopy said:
Read the original poster's comment.BR7_addick said:
This point never makes sense to me, how is someone suppose to get experience at a certain level if owners should only recruit people who’ve experience at that certain level.East_Stand_Loopy said:
1) Kewell has NO experience at this level. He has only managed at League 2.Stig said:
I can understand that given our experiences with Riga, Peeters and Fraeye, but at least Kewell has recent management experience in this division and a long background in English football.Man_About_Town said:I’d be hugely disappointed if Kewell came in as Manager. Superficially it would seem that he’s only being appointed because he’s an Aussie.
Who is really a better option anyway? I know that LB and JJ are riding high in the opinion polls this week, and rightly so after the weekend, but their experience of management is limited to one week. Frankly, I'd expect any incoming owners to have a bit more of a plan about them than to choose a manager on the basis of one match.
I've nothing against Bowyer. If I was the incumbent owner (and I don't mean Two Shats - the thought of being him makes me sick) I'd stick with him until the end of the season at least. I'd expect different from new owners though and honestly can't see any reason to be disappointed if their new man was Kewell.
2) Our most successful manager of recent years was appointed with exactly the same record as Bowyer has now. One game, one win, as caretaker manager. I refer to Chris Powell.
I have nothing against Kewell, but your arguments don't stack up.
"I can understand that given our experiences with Riga, Peeters and Fraeye, but at least Kewell has recent management experience in this division and a long background in English football."
As I said, he has NO experience at this level. We are in League 1, he has NO management experience in League 1...
I have no problem if Kewell is appointed manager. That would be the new owner's prerogative. But, the arguments that Stig used, don't stack up...0 -
I think we should give Bob Peeters another chance7
