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golfaddick said:
Only if they can cross. Wingers spend years (or should do) learning how to cross. Defenders (which Small & Ramsey principally are) learn how to defend first. As long as Jones now spends time training them how to cross, on the run, then I'll be as happy as Larry.ShootersHillGuru said:
That’s the purpose of wing backs. They offer much in the way of attacking and starting attacks and getting crosses in.golfaddick said:
Not just light but lacking in creativity. I noticed yesterday that most of our forward balls were being played by our defenders....usually down the flanks.FishCostaFortune said:For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.
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Wolverhampton.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
How many city centres around the UK would you actually class as 'nice' though? There can't be many.wmcf123 said:
A few years but I have a lot of friends that still live there . The city centre is , by all accounts , not nice . As I say, Fife is lovely .Wheresmeticket said:
OK I bow to local knowledge - but I would ask how long it is since you lived there? I think there has been a fair amount of regeneration...wmcf123 said:
I used to live very near Dundee. Some of the surrounding area is lovely . Dundee itself is not .Wheresmeticket said:
Have you seen Dundee? It's a beautiful city. I know we all like to pretend the whole of Scotland is urban wasteland populated with angry alcoholics but just take a look. I can well understand why someone would want to move from a 3 bed flat in touristy Greenwich to a very large house in Dundee with change left over.wmcf123 said:
I’m sure they all prefer living in Greenwich to DundeeShootersHillGuru said:
I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are.Chunes said:
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:ShootersHillGuru said:I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.1) Charlton
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4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy.3 -
I just heard Larry has been committed for manic depression.golfaddick said:
Only if they can cross. Wingers spend years (or should do) learning how to cross. Defenders (which Small & Ramsey principally are) learn how to defend first. As long as Jones now spends time training them how to cross, on the run, then I'll be as happy as Larry.ShootersHillGuru said:
That’s the purpose of wing backs. They offer much in the way of attacking and starting attacks and getting crosses in.golfaddick said:
Not just light but lacking in creativity. I noticed yesterday that most of our forward balls were being played by our defenders....usually down the flanks.FishCostaFortune said:For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.0 -
Scoham said:Posted on another forum, Dixon’s replied to a fan on Instagram.
Other way round boy-o . The valley will grace you!
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Or he could take a pay cut to move to Scotland - remember he did make a contractual commitment to stay in England - sounds like he wants his cake and to eat it.killerandflash said:
But it's not just about their worth as players, it's also because Fraser wants to return to Scotland, which massively reduces the number of clubs who would be interested in him and pay him the sort of salary he'd want.oohaahmortimer said:Fraser shit left in limbo
Alfie May decent had buyers
it’s football one wanted to stay the manager wanted neither
footballers have limited time to earn and unbelievably like in real life they pay tax on their wages, they have a cost of living , mortgages and rent aren’t free and some have family’s to help fund , the wages some of these fellas are on whilst more than decent will disappear like a puff of smoke by the time they are out of the game for a few years , so they have to make hay while the sun shines .
i know I would , so realistically no one is walking away from whatever over paid contract our club put in front of them .
just pay up Charlton , we made the bad trade cut our losses and move on , it’s not rocket science .
If Fraser had just wanted to leave us, he'd have moved a long time ago. Several clubs in L1 would take him, as in the right sort of system he's still a decent player, and would either pay him enough for him to be happy to leave permanently OR offer us a more appealing loan deal, paying more of his salary than the Scottish clubs could.0 -
The one who strikes me as being talented and quick enough to move into midfield or even up front is Thierry Small - wouldn’t be the first time that a former Southampton full back has moved to play elsewhere.MuttleyCAFC said:
He isn't good enough and needs to be shipped out, not fitted in. Watson had a poor season but can be fitted into the squad.Richard J said:Could Edun be an option in midfield?
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Lots of successful League 1 teams manage with a smaller squad - they do so by having a consistent shape and style of play around which it is easier to switch players around since they understand what they are meant to be doing. Watching the Portsmouth game I got the feeling that Jones gets this and has got the message through to his players. Watching League 1 football rather too much for my liking I feel this is usually more of a key to success than buying/selling key players.FishCostaFortune said:For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.4 -
Me too - given the quality of crosses in recent years, I do hope Dracula has been moved on along with Appleton. Could someone explain what is the modern theory about making so many crosses along the ground/at low level which now appears quite common at higher levels than League 1?golfaddick said:
Only if they can cross. Wingers spend years (or should do) learning how to cross. Defenders (which Small & Ramsey principally are) learn how to defend first. As long as Jones now spends time training them how to cross, on the run, then I'll be as happy as Larry.ShootersHillGuru said:
That’s the purpose of wing backs. They offer much in the way of attacking and starting attacks and getting crosses in.golfaddick said:
Not just light but lacking in creativity. I noticed yesterday that most of our forward balls were being played by our defenders....usually down the flanks.FishCostaFortune said:For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.0 -
I was going to say what a nice well spoken young man he sounds to be. I couldn't for a moment see Fraser being so nice.KiwiValley said:Scoham said:Posted on another forum, Dixon’s replied to a fan on Instagram.
Other way round boy-o . The valley will grace you!0 -
Hmm, if Coventry gets injured we only really have Taylor who can fill his position who is still really an unknown quantity for us, or potentially Zach Mitchell at a push which is a big ask.sm said:
Lots of successful League 1 teams manage with a smaller squad - they do so by having a consistent shape and style of play around which it is easier to switch players around since they understand what they are meant to be doing. Watching the Portsmouth game I got the feeling that Jones gets this and has got the message through to his players. Watching League 1 football rather too much for my liking I feel this is usually more of a key to success than buying/selling key players.FishCostaFortune said:For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.
Otherwise there is Eden, but he seems out of favour and on the move on list.
If say Coventry and Docherty get injured we then all of a sudden have a midfield of Taylor, Anderson and Berry and no other natural midfielders unless you count Fraser, and Eden.
Aneke has played 10 before, but he won’t have the legs to play Jones pressing game, and I don’t see any of our other strikers being able to play in the midfield - likewise with defence.
Considering how important that midfield and winning the ball high up the pitch is for Jones I don’t see who we are switching around to cover injuries, suspensions or just players needing a rest in the middle of the park that keeps us competitive.
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Testify!Scoham said:
https://youtube.com/shorts/Ti6kg1H36C8?si=HXDAnT3oi8HI_zXwwmcf123 said:
I don’t think that’s what modern wingers do in training .golfaddick said:
Only if they can cross. Wingers spend years (or should do) learning how to cross. Defenders (which Small & Ramsey principally are) learn how to defend first. As long as Jones now spends time training them how to cross, on the run, then I'll be as happy as Larry.ShootersHillGuru said:
That’s the purpose of wing backs. They offer much in the way of attacking and starting attacks and getting crosses in.golfaddick said:
Not just light but lacking in creativity. I noticed yesterday that most of our forward balls were being played by our defenders....usually down the flanks.FishCostaFortune said:For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.1 -
Nixon tweeting we're struggling to agree terms with Begovic... or maybe it's Blackburn who are struggling.
https://x.com/reluctantnicko/status/1820150526299848773
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There is also the option of playing Edwards or Small in midfield. I imagine REG could do a job there as well.FishCostaFortune said:
Hmm, if Coventry gets injured we only really have Taylor who can fill his position who is still really an unknown quantity for us, or potentially Zach Mitchell at a push which is a big ask.sm said:
Lots of successful League 1 teams manage with a smaller squad - they do so by having a consistent shape and style of play around which it is easier to switch players around since they understand what they are meant to be doing. Watching the Portsmouth game I got the feeling that Jones gets this and has got the message through to his players. Watching League 1 football rather too much for my liking I feel this is usually more of a key to success than buying/selling key players.FishCostaFortune said:For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.
Otherwise there is Eden, but he seems out of favour and on the move on list.
If say Coventry and Docherty get injured we then all of a sudden have a midfield of Taylor, Anderson and Berry and no other natural midfielders unless you count Fraser, and Eden.
Aneke has played 10 before, but he won’t have the legs to play Jones pressing game, and I don’t see any of our other strikers being able to play in the midfield - likewise with defence.
Considering how important that midfield and winning the ball high up the pitch is for Jones I don’t see who we are switching around to cover injuries, suspensions or just players needing a rest in the middle of the park that keeps us competitive.0 -
Why not? Because he hasn't played very well for us recently?sm said:
I was going to say what a nice well spoken young man he sounds to be. I couldn't for a moment see Fraser being so nice.KiwiValley said:Scoham said:Posted on another forum, Dixon’s replied to a fan on Instagram.
Other way round boy-o . The valley will grace you!
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Small has never played in central midfield. REG has played 11 of 130 games and Edwards has played 5 of 221 games in midfield, and whilst they are options at a pinch I really would not expect a ‘promotion winning team’ not to be going down the ‘square pegs in round holes’ route.killerandflash said:
There is also the option of playing Edwards or Small in midfield. I imagine REG could do a job there as well.FishCostaFortune said:
Hmm, if Coventry gets injured we only really have Taylor who can fill his position who is still really an unknown quantity for us, or potentially Zach Mitchell at a push which is a big ask.sm said:
Lots of successful League 1 teams manage with a smaller squad - they do so by having a consistent shape and style of play around which it is easier to switch players around since they understand what they are meant to be doing. Watching the Portsmouth game I got the feeling that Jones gets this and has got the message through to his players. Watching League 1 football rather too much for my liking I feel this is usually more of a key to success than buying/selling key players.FishCostaFortune said:For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.
Otherwise there is Eden, but he seems out of favour and on the move on list.
If say Coventry and Docherty get injured we then all of a sudden have a midfield of Taylor, Anderson and Berry and no other natural midfielders unless you count Fraser, and Eden.
Aneke has played 10 before, but he won’t have the legs to play Jones pressing game, and I don’t see any of our other strikers being able to play in the midfield - likewise with defence.
Considering how important that midfield and winning the ball high up the pitch is for Jones I don’t see who we are switching around to cover injuries, suspensions or just players needing a rest in the middle of the park that keeps us competitive.I’d feel much more confident next season if we got rid of Eden and Fraser and brought in one more quality midfielder.3 -
Not overly fussed, as I said few weeks back, I think it could be a mistake. We certainly need a big strong keeper, but is he the answer I am not sure!Scoham said:Nixon tweeting we're struggling to agree terms with Begovic... or maybe it's Blackburn who are struggling.
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No idea still if Mr Begovic is coming to us.
I thought I’d try and do a bit of sleuthing on his website, to see if he was ‘on tour’ with his goalkeeping football school (no success).
Ended up to see he’s got his own AB1 clothing range, quite impressive, goalies gloves etc
Also has a range of compression based layer shorts, no idea what they do, but might get a pair, and look like, was it Larry out of cameo, the 80’s band, ‘powered by goalkeepers’ , I like that phrase…
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To get to that scenario, we are talking about having 2 or 3 midfielders injured. Any team with that number of absentees would have to mix and match a bit.FishCostaFortune said:
Small has never played in central midfield. REG has played 11 of 130 games and Edwards has played 5 of 221 games in midfield, and whilst they are options at a pinch I really would not expect a ‘promotion winning team’ not to be going down the ‘square pegs in round holes’ route.killerandflash said:
There is also the option of playing Edwards or Small in midfield. I imagine REG could do a job there as well.FishCostaFortune said:
Hmm, if Coventry gets injured we only really have Taylor who can fill his position who is still really an unknown quantity for us, or potentially Zach Mitchell at a push which is a big ask.sm said:
Lots of successful League 1 teams manage with a smaller squad - they do so by having a consistent shape and style of play around which it is easier to switch players around since they understand what they are meant to be doing. Watching the Portsmouth game I got the feeling that Jones gets this and has got the message through to his players. Watching League 1 football rather too much for my liking I feel this is usually more of a key to success than buying/selling key players.FishCostaFortune said:For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.
Otherwise there is Eden, but he seems out of favour and on the move on list.
If say Coventry and Docherty get injured we then all of a sudden have a midfield of Taylor, Anderson and Berry and no other natural midfielders unless you count Fraser, and Eden.
Aneke has played 10 before, but he won’t have the legs to play Jones pressing game, and I don’t see any of our other strikers being able to play in the midfield - likewise with defence.
Considering how important that midfield and winning the ball high up the pitch is for Jones I don’t see who we are switching around to cover injuries, suspensions or just players needing a rest in the middle of the park that keeps us competitive.I’d feel much more confident next season if we got rid of Eden and Fraser and brought in one more quality midfielder.2 -
I won’t be heartbroken if this one doesn’t happen.Scoham said:Nixon tweeting we're struggling to agree terms with Begovic... or maybe it's Blackburn who are struggling.
https://x.com/reluctantnicko/status/18201505262998487732 -
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I’ll give you Rotherham. 🫤ElfsborgAddick said:
Wolverhampton.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
How many city centres around the UK would you actually class as 'nice' though? There can't be many.wmcf123 said:
A few years but I have a lot of friends that still live there . The city centre is , by all accounts , not nice . As I say, Fife is lovely .Wheresmeticket said:
OK I bow to local knowledge - but I would ask how long it is since you lived there? I think there has been a fair amount of regeneration...wmcf123 said:
I used to live very near Dundee. Some of the surrounding area is lovely . Dundee itself is not .Wheresmeticket said:
Have you seen Dundee? It's a beautiful city. I know we all like to pretend the whole of Scotland is urban wasteland populated with angry alcoholics but just take a look. I can well understand why someone would want to move from a 3 bed flat in touristy Greenwich to a very large house in Dundee with change left over.wmcf123 said:
I’m sure they all prefer living in Greenwich to DundeeShootersHillGuru said:
I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are.Chunes said:
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:ShootersHillGuru said:I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.1) Charlton
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(Then everything else)
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4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy.1 -
There was a bit when Small joined about how his loan at Port Vale didn't work, with one of the reasons being he was played up front.sm said:
The one who strikes me as being talented and quick enough to move into midfield or even up front is Thierry Small - wouldn’t be the first time that a former Southampton full back has moved to play elsewhere.MuttleyCAFC said:
He isn't good enough and needs to be shipped out, not fitted in. Watson had a poor season but can be fitted into the squad.Richard J said:Could Edun be an option in midfield?
For squad balance having a left footed option in midfield is useful
"Small joined Port Vale on a season-long loan. What happened at the League One side was largely forgettable. Niggling injuries and a perpetual feeling the side — with manager Darrell Clarke a pragmatist and not in unison with Southampton’s style of play — did not suit his development meant performing well was always going to be an uphill task.There was unhappiness from Small’s side that he was being used up front after coming on as a substitute. The reasoning given for the positional change was that his physicality and powerful left foot would be favourable in higher, more threatening positions."
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3997280/2023/07/07/thierry-small-southampton-transfer/
Thought we had moved on from the square pegs in round holes situations, like Pratley and Clare in central defence, with better/more focused recruitment.3 -
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Cool! I should be able to get two socks down the front of them...Mendonca In Asdas said:1 -
We definitely need another CM, somebody who can play a bit higher up the pitch and chip in with a few goals, even if he’s a reserve.killerandflash said:
To get to that scenario, we are talking about having 2 or 3 midfielders injured. Any team with that number of absentees would have to mix and match a bit.FishCostaFortune said:
Small has never played in central midfield. REG has played 11 of 130 games and Edwards has played 5 of 221 games in midfield, and whilst they are options at a pinch I really would not expect a ‘promotion winning team’ not to be going down the ‘square pegs in round holes’ route.killerandflash said:
There is also the option of playing Edwards or Small in midfield. I imagine REG could do a job there as well.FishCostaFortune said:
Hmm, if Coventry gets injured we only really have Taylor who can fill his position who is still really an unknown quantity for us, or potentially Zach Mitchell at a push which is a big ask.sm said:
Lots of successful League 1 teams manage with a smaller squad - they do so by having a consistent shape and style of play around which it is easier to switch players around since they understand what they are meant to be doing. Watching the Portsmouth game I got the feeling that Jones gets this and has got the message through to his players. Watching League 1 football rather too much for my liking I feel this is usually more of a key to success than buying/selling key players.FishCostaFortune said:For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.
Otherwise there is Eden, but he seems out of favour and on the move on list.
If say Coventry and Docherty get injured we then all of a sudden have a midfield of Taylor, Anderson and Berry and no other natural midfielders unless you count Fraser, and Eden.
Aneke has played 10 before, but he won’t have the legs to play Jones pressing game, and I don’t see any of our other strikers being able to play in the midfield - likewise with defence.
Considering how important that midfield and winning the ball high up the pitch is for Jones I don’t see who we are switching around to cover injuries, suspensions or just players needing a rest in the middle of the park that keeps us competitive.I’d feel much more confident next season if we got rid of Eden and Fraser and brought in one more quality midfielder.2 -
100% correct. It's the chickenshit option. We know those on here that regularly do that but the 'Golf' guy has made it an art form.Callumcafc said:
The thing about being negative is that you “win” either way. If the team is sh*t, at least you can say you were right - if the team turns out to be decent you can tell everyone you’re happy you were wrong.Redhenry said:
Jeez 45 likes for this. A broken clock is correct twice a day…blackpool72 said:Golfaddick gets a fair bit of stick on here regarding his opinion of all things Charlton.
But tbf the last 3 seasons have been total shit resulting in our lowest league position for 98 years.
He has been far more correct in what he says than some of the more optimistic posters on here .4 -
I’m not just talking about injuries though. Suspensions, as well as players needing a rest because of playing Saturday/Tuesday’s. Thats relatively common across a league one season.killerandflash said:
To get to that scenario, we are talking about having 2 or 3 midfielders injured. Any team with that number of absentees would have to mix and match a bit.FishCostaFortune said:
Small has never played in central midfield. REG has played 11 of 130 games and Edwards has played 5 of 221 games in midfield, and whilst they are options at a pinch I really would not expect a ‘promotion winning team’ not to be going down the ‘square pegs in round holes’ route.killerandflash said:
There is also the option of playing Edwards or Small in midfield. I imagine REG could do a job there as well.FishCostaFortune said:
Hmm, if Coventry gets injured we only really have Taylor who can fill his position who is still really an unknown quantity for us, or potentially Zach Mitchell at a push which is a big ask.sm said:
Lots of successful League 1 teams manage with a smaller squad - they do so by having a consistent shape and style of play around which it is easier to switch players around since they understand what they are meant to be doing. Watching the Portsmouth game I got the feeling that Jones gets this and has got the message through to his players. Watching League 1 football rather too much for my liking I feel this is usually more of a key to success than buying/selling key players.FishCostaFortune said:For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.
Otherwise there is Eden, but he seems out of favour and on the move on list.
If say Coventry and Docherty get injured we then all of a sudden have a midfield of Taylor, Anderson and Berry and no other natural midfielders unless you count Fraser, and Eden.
Aneke has played 10 before, but he won’t have the legs to play Jones pressing game, and I don’t see any of our other strikers being able to play in the midfield - likewise with defence.
Considering how important that midfield and winning the ball high up the pitch is for Jones I don’t see who we are switching around to cover injuries, suspensions or just players needing a rest in the middle of the park that keeps us competitive.I’d feel much more confident next season if we got rid of Eden and Fraser and brought in one more quality midfielder.
Currently if we are missing Godden and Leaburn, we still have Gas, TC - with options off the bench in Aneke, and Kanu - and maybe even Hylton.
At the back if Jones and A Mitchell were unavailable, we have REG, and Z Mitchell and most likely Potts. Plus Ramsey and Edwards have played in the CB positions if we need to mix and match.
If we have Docherty and Anderson unavailable. We can bring in Taylor, but unless Edun and Fraser are all of sudden fancied or transformed as players who do we have to mix and match into that box to box midfield role?1 -
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Cool! I should be able to get two socks down the front of them...Mendonca In Asdas said:1 -
Which is “Buy success”. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.soapboxsam said:MarcusH26 said:3 in 3 out sounds fair, could be more outs but I'm not sure if I'd count youngsters from the U21s going on loan to National League clubs as first team outs.
Agree if we could get Asiimwe a local L2 loan that would be absolutely ideal , I think he'll flourish with regular games.
So GK, CB and CAM in. Shame we've got too many strikers with the additional option of using TC to go for Joe Taylor on loan - looks like he'll be at Huddersfield.
With Leaburn and Aneke being two of our 6 strikers we really haven't got too many forwards/ strikers.
Most games 4 strikers will get on; two at a time.
Plus the option of Kanu and Campbell giving width for plan B if the wing backs aren't working.
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