Jones wants 3 keepers, I can't see AMB going anywhere regardless of what keeper comes in
Agreed think it will be 100% Mannion and AMB Question is whether after pre-season NJ thinks he needs to spend big on a keeper or could he rely upon Mannion as No 1 get a third option of lesser quality and invest the money elsewhere eg Potts?
I don't think so, I think he wants the exact opposite actually and would rather spend the bigger chunk on the keeper, and Potts is a relatively "cheap" option as he will know he's here simply because of Jones and will be looking to be a squad man instead of a lynchpin
3 in 3 out sounds fair, could be more outs but I'm not sure if I'd count youngsters from the U21s going on loan to National League clubs as first team outs.
Agree if we could get Asiimwe a local L2 loan that would be absolutely ideal , I think he'll flourish with regular games.
So GK, CB and CAM in. Shame we've got too many strikers with the additional option of using TC to go for Joe Taylor on loan - looks like he'll be at Huddersfield.
With Leaburn and Aneke being two of our 6 strikers we really haven't got too many forwards/ strikers.
Most games 4 strikers will get on; two at a time. Plus the option of Kanu and Campbell giving width for plan B if the wing backs aren't working. No team other than Man City under Pep can only have a plan A.
3 in 3 out sounds fair, could be more outs but I'm not sure if I'd count youngsters from the U21s going on loan to National League clubs as first team outs.
Agree if we could get Asiimwe a local L2 loan that would be absolutely ideal , I think he'll flourish with regular games.
So GK, CB and CAM in. Shame we've got too many strikers with the additional option of using TC to go for Joe Taylor on loan - looks like he'll be at Huddersfield.
With Leaburn and Aneke being two of our 6 strikers we really haven't got too many forwards/ strikers.
Most games 4 strikers will get on; two at a time. Plus the option of Kanu and Campbell giving width for plan B if the wing backs aren't working. No team other than Man City under Pep can only have a plan A.
I'm just wondering if a parent club would look at our options and go " no we won't loan a striker there because we aren't sure how much they'll play"
For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.
Not just light but lacking in creativity. I noticed yesterday that most of our forward balls were being played by our defenders....usually down the flanks.
3 in 3 out sounds fair, could be more outs but I'm not sure if I'd count youngsters from the U21s going on loan to National League clubs as first team outs.
Agree if we could get Asiimwe a local L2 loan that would be absolutely ideal , I think he'll flourish with regular games.
So GK, CB and CAM in. Shame we've got too many strikers with the additional option of using TC to go for Joe Taylor on loan - looks like he'll be at Huddersfield.
With Leaburn and Aneke being two of our 6 strikers we really haven't got too many forwards/ strikers.
Most games 4 strikers will get on; two at a time. Plus the option of Kanu and Campbell giving width for plan B if the wing backs aren't working. No team other than Man City under Pep can only have a plan A.
I'm just wondering if a parent club would look at our options and go " no we won't loan a striker there because we aren't sure how much they'll play"
There is the added problem of getting a player who is expected to play no matter how deserving it is. Great if they are head and shoulders above evrybody else but not so great if not.
For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.
Not just light but lacking in creativity. I noticed yesterday that most of our forward balls were being played by our defenders....usually down the flanks.
And we scored 2 goals because of that against a team in a higher division...
Have you watched football recently away from League 1? Teams playing a back 3 with wingbacks rely on the wingbacks for a lot of the forward play and momentum, like Grimaldo and Frimpong at Bayer Leverkusen or Dimarco and Dumfries at Inter Milan.
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:
1) Charlton ... (Then everything else) ... 4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy.
I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are.
I’m sure they all prefer living in Greenwich to Dundee
Have you seen Dundee? It's a beautiful city. I know we all like to pretend the whole of Scotland is urban wasteland populated with angry alcoholics but just take a look. I can well understand why someone would want to move from a 3 bed flat in touristy Greenwich to a very large house in Dundee with change left over.
I used to live very near Dundee. Some of the surrounding area is lovely . Dundee itself is not .
OK I bow to local knowledge - but I would ask how long it is since you lived there? I think there has been a fair amount of regeneration...
A few years but I have a lot of friends that still live there . The city centre is , by all accounts , not nice . As I say, Fife is lovely .
How many city centres around the UK would you actually class as 'nice' though? There can't be many.
For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.
Not just light but lacking in creativity. I noticed yesterday that most of our forward balls were being played by our defenders....usually down the flanks.
That’s the purpose of wing backs. They offer much in the way of attacking and starting attacks and getting crosses in.
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:
1) Charlton ... (Then everything else) ... 4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy.
I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are.
I’m sure they all prefer living in Greenwich to Dundee
Have you seen Dundee? It's a beautiful city. I know we all like to pretend the whole of Scotland is urban wasteland populated with angry alcoholics but just take a look. I can well understand why someone would want to move from a 3 bed flat in touristy Greenwich to a very large house in Dundee with change left over.
I used to live very near Dundee. Some of the surrounding area is lovely . Dundee itself is not .
OK I bow to local knowledge - but I would ask how long it is since you lived there? I think there has been a fair amount of regeneration...
A few years but I have a lot of friends that still live there . The city centre is , by all accounts , not nice . As I say, Fife is lovely .
How many city centres around the UK would you actually class as 'nice' though? There can't be many.
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:
1) Charlton ... (Then everything else) ... 4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy.
I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are.
I’m sure they all prefer living in Greenwich to Dundee
Have you seen Dundee? It's a beautiful city. I know we all like to pretend the whole of Scotland is urban wasteland populated with angry alcoholics but just take a look. I can well understand why someone would want to move from a 3 bed flat in touristy Greenwich to a very large house in Dundee with change left over.
I used to live very near Dundee. Some of the surrounding area is lovely . Dundee itself is not .
OK I bow to local knowledge - but I would ask how long it is since you lived there? I think there has been a fair amount of regeneration...
A few years but I have a lot of friends that still live there . The city centre is , by all accounts , not nice . As I say, Fife is lovely .
How many city centres around the UK would you actually class as 'nice' though? There can't be many.
Slough’s a big place. There’s Reading, Aldershot, Bracknell. I’ve got Didcot, Yateley… You know…Winnersh. Taplow. Because I am my own boss, I can- Burghfield.
Golfaddick gets a fair bit of stick on here regarding his opinion of all things Charlton.
But tbf the last 3 seasons have been total shit resulting in our lowest league position for 98 years.
He has been far more correct in what he says than some of the more optimistic posters on here .
Jeez 45 likes for this. A broken clock is correct twice a day…
The thing about being negative is that you “win” either way. If the team is sh*t, at least you can say you were right - if the team turns out to be decent you can tell everyone you’re happy you were wrong.
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:
1) Charlton ... (Then everything else) ... 4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy.
I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are.
I’m sure they all prefer living in Greenwich to Dundee
Have you seen Dundee? It's a beautiful city. I know we all like to pretend the whole of Scotland is urban wasteland populated with angry alcoholics but just take a look. I can well understand why someone would want to move from a 3 bed flat in touristy Greenwich to a very large house in Dundee with change left over.
I used to live very near Dundee. Some of the surrounding area is lovely . Dundee itself is not .
OK I bow to local knowledge - but I would ask how long it is since you lived there? I think there has been a fair amount of regeneration...
A few years but I have a lot of friends that still live there . The city centre is , by all accounts , not nice . As I say, Fife is lovely .
How many city centres around the UK would you actually class as 'nice' though? There can't be many.
Canterbury, Winchester, Bath, Truro, York, Chester, Edinburgh, Norwich, Oxford, Cambridge, Salisbury, Durham, Chichester, Worcester and Chatham
Golfaddick gets a fair bit of stick on here regarding his opinion of all things Charlton.
But tbf the last 3 seasons have been total shit resulting in our lowest league position for 98 years.
He has been far more correct in what he says than some of the more optimistic posters on here .
Jeez 45 likes for this. A broken clock is correct twice a day…
The thing is, it’s not about being ‘negative’ and saying we have been crap in recent years - everyone apart from Ronnie acknowledges that.
It’s the constant ‘I’m not going to watch/I’m no longer going to be a Charlton fan’ at the end of posts or the turning everything into a moan even if it goes against a moan he has made earlier.
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:
1) Charlton ... (Then everything else) ... 4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy.
I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are.
I’m sure they all prefer living in Greenwich to Dundee
Have you seen Dundee? It's a beautiful city. I know we all like to pretend the whole of Scotland is urban wasteland populated with angry alcoholics but just take a look. I can well understand why someone would want to move from a 3 bed flat in touristy Greenwich to a very large house in Dundee with change left over.
I used to live very near Dundee. Some of the surrounding area is lovely . Dundee itself is not .
OK I bow to local knowledge - but I would ask how long it is since you lived there? I think there has been a fair amount of regeneration...
A few years but I have a lot of friends that still live there . The city centre is , by all accounts , not nice . As I say, Fife is lovely .
How many city centres around the UK would you actually class as 'nice' though? There can't be many.
Slough’s a big place. There’s Reading, Aldershot, Bracknell. I’ve got Didcot, Yateley… You know…Winnersh. Taplow. Because I am my own boss, I can- Burghfield.
That’s not me in bed with another bloke called David
I suspect Fraser will be gone soon which will free up some money for one of our targets but I think getting three out, of AMB, Ness and Edun might be a challenge. I’d expect AMB to remain now and we go with Mannion and him. A loan for Ness and Edun is I’d think 50/50. Ness the more likely to go. What priorities Jones has on getting one or two in remains to be seen.
I think it depends on other clubs assessing their needs as well, with a month remaining of the window, most clubs would like their incoming business settled but that is rarely the case. A goalkeeper like AMB needs to play to progress, he's not the finished article for sure, but he is still learning and needs game time, he and his agent may think the same. As for Ness, there seems to be a lot of players in front of him and I agree Shooters, a loan for him seems the likeliest of the three, as for Edun, it was interesting that he was used in midfield in a couple of friendlies, perhaps like Tyreece Campbell, Jones sees him a different role, I certainly don't think he will fill the left/wing back role anytime soon.
For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.
Not just light but lacking in creativity. I noticed yesterday that most of our forward balls were being played by our defenders....usually down the flanks.
That’s the purpose of wing backs. They offer much in the way of attacking and starting attacks and getting crosses in.
Only if they can cross. Wingers spend years (or should do) learning how to cross. Defenders (which Small & Ramsey principally are) learn how to defend first. As long as Jones now spends time training them how to cross, on the run, then I'll be as happy as Larry.
For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.
Not just light but lacking in creativity. I noticed yesterday that most of our forward balls were being played by our defenders....usually down the flanks.
That’s the purpose of wing backs. They offer much in the way of attacking and starting attacks and getting crosses in.
Only if they can cross. Wingers spend years (or should do) learning how to cross. Defenders (which Small & Ramsey principally are) learn how to defend first. As long as Jones now spends time training them how to cross, on the run, then I'll be as happy as Larry.
I don’t think that’s what modern wingers do in training .
For me I’m most worried about the depth in our midfield. Just feels we are a little light there if we get a couple of injuries or suspensions.
Not just light but lacking in creativity. I noticed yesterday that most of our forward balls were being played by our defenders....usually down the flanks.
That’s the purpose of wing backs. They offer much in the way of attacking and starting attacks and getting crosses in.
Only if they can cross. Wingers spend years (or should do) learning how to cross. Defenders (which Small & Ramsey principally are) learn how to defend first. As long as Jones now spends time training them how to cross, on the run, then I'll be as happy as Larry.
I don’t think that’s what modern wingers do in training .
I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault.
I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:
1) Charlton ... (Then everything else) ... 4247) Scott Fraser
As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it.
Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy.
I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are.
I’m sure they all prefer living in Greenwich to Dundee
Have you seen Dundee? It's a beautiful city. I know we all like to pretend the whole of Scotland is urban wasteland populated with angry alcoholics but just take a look. I can well understand why someone would want to move from a 3 bed flat in touristy Greenwich to a very large house in Dundee with change left over.
I used to live very near Dundee. Some of the surrounding area is lovely . Dundee itself is not .
OK I bow to local knowledge - but I would ask how long it is since you lived there? I think there has been a fair amount of regeneration...
A few years but I have a lot of friends that still live there . The city centre is , by all accounts , not nice . As I say, Fife is lovely .
How many city centres around the UK would you actually class as 'nice' though? There can't be many.
Canterbury, Winchester, Bath, Truro, York, Chester, Edinburgh, Norwich, Oxford, Cambridge, Salisbury, Durham, Chichester, Worcester and Chatham
I am sure a Lifer will know off the top of their head the train routes and timetable to all of these.
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With Leaburn and Aneke being two of our 6 strikers we really haven't got too many forwards/ strikers.
Most games 4 strikers will get on; two at a time.
Plus the option of Kanu and Campbell giving width for plan B if the wing backs aren't working.
No team other than Man City under Pep can only have a plan A.
I'm just wondering if a parent club would look at our options and go " no we won't loan a striker there because we aren't sure how much they'll play"
Have you watched football recently away from League 1? Teams playing a back 3 with wingbacks rely on the wingbacks for a lot of the forward play and momentum, like Grimaldo and Frimpong at Bayer Leverkusen or Dimarco and Dumfries at Inter Milan.
Given the above I think it should be possible to bring him in, even if he fails to get the work permit approved.
Oxford, Cambridge, Salisbury, Durham, Chichester, Worcester……
Back to topic- Fraser to an Edinburgh club?- Just 1hr30 straight down the M90 from Dundee.
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Just seen you were responding to Redhenry