No way Taylor goes, people seem to be basing that on him being fit at the end of the season but not featuring, something we could afford to do because we had so many midfielders at the time (remember Louie Watson, Camara and Fiorini not even getting in the squads) so we could make sure he didn't re-injure himself.
He's a set piece specialist and a box to box midfielder, very similar to Coventry and I expect them to compete for that role.
Would it have mattered if he reinjured himself given the season was about to end?
It would if it meant he missed pre-season
Could have said the same about any player.
Yeah I didn’t get it at all. Last game of the season and Florini, a player who definitely wouldn’t be here this season, started over him. Found it bizarre and personally I wouldn’t be surprised if he is loaned out for a few months, especially if we sign Bishop.
I believe Fiorini played ahead of Taylor when Taylor was hurt, but never started when Taylor was fit. And I think Fiorini's only appearance when Taylor was "fit" was the last game of the season. And Fiorini was also out of the squad entirely for a long time and playing in the U21s like Taylor.
@TelMc32 said it well, I think we can tie ourselves in knots over who plays in dead rubbers. I certainly would have been having a look in at Taylor toward the end of the season, but it may have been that the club treated the last few weeks like a mini pre-season for him, feeling it was best to get him back into shape to be ready for this season after missing almost a year (he got hurt in Feb of last year for Burton if memory serves).
I think he's going to impress a lot of people this year if given a chance. I just hope we're not so long-ball oriented that we bypass Taylor and Coventry as both are better getting it down and playing it.
No way Taylor goes, people seem to be basing that on him being fit at the end of the season but not featuring, something we could afford to do because we had so many midfielders at the time (remember Louie Watson, Camara and Fiorini not even getting in the squads) so we could make sure he didn't re-injure himself.
He's a set piece specialist and a box to box midfielder, very similar to Coventry and I expect them to compete for that role.
Would it have mattered if he reinjured himself given the season was about to end?
It would if it meant he missed pre-season
Could have said the same about any player.
Yeah I didn’t get it at all. Last game of the season and Florini, a player who definitely wouldn’t be here this season, started over him. Found it bizarre and personally I wouldn’t be surprised if he is loaned out for a few months, especially if we sign Bishop.
I still don't get it. It's not come out of the club, it was just made up online as a possible reason he was being left out and now it's become the reason. Who knows, maybe it is, but until we hear otherwise, the far likelier story that Jones just didn't pick the guy.
If they were that worried about him getting injured then he wouldn't have been playing in the U21's.
No way Taylor goes, people seem to be basing that on him being fit at the end of the season but not featuring, something we could afford to do because we had so many midfielders at the time (remember Louie Watson, Camara and Fiorini not even getting in the squads) so we could make sure he didn't re-injure himself.
He's a set piece specialist and a box to box midfielder, very similar to Coventry and I expect them to compete for that role.
Would it have mattered if he reinjured himself given the season was about to end?
It would if it meant he missed pre-season
Could have said the same about any player.
Yeah I didn’t get it at all. Last game of the season and Florini, a player who definitely wouldn’t be here this season, started over him. Found it bizarre and personally I wouldn’t be surprised if he is loaned out for a few months, especially if we sign Bishop.
I still don't get it. It's not come out of the club, it was just made up online as a possible reason he was being left out and now it's become the reason. Who knows, maybe it is, but until we hear otherwise, the far likelier story that Jones just didn't pick the guy.
If they were that worried about him getting injured then he wouldn't have been playing in the U21's.
If Taylor had come in for the last 3 games of the season, and had some decent minutes, contributing a goal or an assist, that would surely have set him up nicely for the summer with a nice confidence boost.
We do love to tie ourselves in knots about the tiniest little things that are happening. You must surely know that it isn't good for your mental health. Relax and let NJ and his team worry about the reasons behind who did and didnt make last season’s squad.
It was refreshingly professional that we allowed Taylor and Jones to rehab properly and not force them into a full on game, albeit an end of season non-event like our last few games were. It’s something we haven't done for a decade or more, usually forcing players back too early out of necessity 🤷🏻♂️
Yes, and a huge factor in the revolving door of injuries we have suffered.
Taylor didn't play much in the unders either though. So either a) he's not in NJs plans b) he picked up another injury the club didn't disclose c) we didn't want to rush/risk him given what happened to Leaburn and Aneke d) he was available and NJ doesn't have any issues with him he just didn't pick him at all.
I reckon it's more b or c than a or d but that's just me
No way Taylor goes, people seem to be basing that on him being fit at the end of the season but not featuring, something we could afford to do because we had so many midfielders at the time (remember Louie Watson, Camara and Fiorini not even getting in the squads) so we could make sure he didn't re-injure himself.
He's a set piece specialist and a box to box midfielder, very similar to Coventry and I expect them to compete for that role.
Would it have mattered if he reinjured himself given the season was about to end?
It would if it meant he missed pre-season
Could have said the same about any player.
Yeah I didn’t get it at all. Last game of the season and Florini, a player who definitely wouldn’t be here this season, started over him. Found it bizarre and personally I wouldn’t be surprised if he is loaned out for a few months, especially if we sign Bishop.
I still don't get it. It's not come out of the club, it was just made up online as a possible reason he was being left out and now it's become the reason. Who knows, maybe it is, but until we hear otherwise, the far likelier story that Jones just didn't pick the guy.
If they were that worried about him getting injured then he wouldn't have been playing in the U21's.
If Taylor had come in for the last 3 games of the season, and had some decent minutes, contributing a goal or an assist, that would surely have set him up nicely for the summer with a nice confidence boost.
It might have done. Alternatively it might have been like it was before, where he started the season off unfit, looked like his confidence drained massively as a result and then got injured badly enough to be out for most of the season. Why risk a repeat of that when the player can be built up over an intense preseason? We've got a ridiculous, storied history recently of crippling our players and we've now got a new head of performance who has been designing bespoke plans for our players to avoid it happening again.
I think it's easy to forget just how bad Taylor's fitness record was last season; when we signed him he hadn't played since February after ankle surgery. He then played 45 minutes on his debut in August before being forced off with a knee injury. He then featured here and there in a few games before limping off with another knee injury AND an ankle injury in a game in September. About two weeks after that he had to have ankle surgery again, second time in 7 months. He played 162 league minutes across 5 games and appeared in two cup games. He never looked at it and he clearly wasn't ready as his injuries showed. Abbott seems like he likes to get players back to where they need to be slowly and not take any risks, and I think that's a good thing. We saw that season that Taylor coming back without match fitness is likely to get hurt again, I'm glad we didn't risk him.
Taylor didn't play much in the unders either though. So either a) he's not in NJs plans b) he picked up another injury the club didn't disclose c) we didn't want to rush/risk him given what happened to Leaburn and Aneke d) he was available and NJ doesn't have any issues with him he just didn't pick him at all.
I reckon it's more b or c than a or d but that's just me
By that point Abbott was in charge of the medical side of things so it might not even have been Jones' decision - he may have been told that Taylor should not be risked or was ready for training but not at full match readiness.
Garry sorry your numbers are wrong - Last season in L1 Taylor started 2 games for 120 mins, he came on as a sub in 3 games for 63 mins and sat on the bench for one game.
On the Taylor front, his injury was a bad one, and was always planned to get him fit for this season, if you noticed, he played couple of reserve games, then was taken out again, as it was uncomfortable and didn’t want to force injuries.. Taylor is rated by the club, and I would be extremely surprised if he is sold, I think he will end up playing a key role.. he has looked tidy pre season so far!
No way Taylor goes, people seem to be basing that on him being fit at the end of the season but not featuring, something we could afford to do because we had so many midfielders at the time (remember Louie Watson, Camara and Fiorini not even getting in the squads) so we could make sure he didn't re-injure himself.
He's a set piece specialist and a box to box midfielder, very similar to Coventry and I expect them to compete for that role.
Would it have mattered if he reinjured himself given the season was about to end?
No way Taylor goes, people seem to be basing that on him being fit at the end of the season but not featuring, something we could afford to do because we had so many midfielders at the time (remember Louie Watson, Camara and Fiorini not even getting in the squads) so we could make sure he didn't re-injure himself.
He's a set piece specialist and a box to box midfielder, very similar to Coventry and I expect them to compete for that role.
Would it have mattered if he reinjured himself given the season was about to end?
No way Taylor goes, people seem to be basing that on him being fit at the end of the season but not featuring, something we could afford to do because we had so many midfielders at the time (remember Louie Watson, Camara and Fiorini not even getting in the squads) so we could make sure he didn't re-injure himself.
He's a set piece specialist and a box to box midfielder, very similar to Coventry and I expect them to compete for that role.
Would it have mattered if he reinjured himself given the season was about to end?
You're on a wind up surely?
he's mellowing, previously he just would have had him shot.
Garry sorry your numbers are wrong - Last season in L1 Taylor started 2 games for 120 mins, he came on as a sub in 3 games for 63 mins and sat on the bench for one game.
I wonder where the difference is. Transfermarkt, which is what I used, has him down as starting against Port Vale and Shrewsbury for 72 minutes and 44 minutes which is 116 mins. He had sub appearances against Bristol Rovers, Fleetwood and Stevenage (where he came on and then came off injured which I'd forgotten) amounting to 13, 5 and 28 mins, totalling 46 mins, meaning 162 mins overall in the league. Looking at the discrepancy in those sub appearances I reckon you count injury time and Transfermarkt doesn't when totalling up minutes played.
Makes sense. To be honest, I think it's better if the injury time is used, Taylor came on on the 77th minute against Bristol Rovers so he's down as playing for 13 minutes but Rovers scored in the 98th minute so that's a pretty substantial additional amount of time Taylor actually played there. He came on for '5 minutes' against Fleetwood and then Hector got booked in the 99th minute and Taylor was still on so that's triple the stated time for him. I think that's worth bearing in mind for future minutes played usage on Transfermarkt as injury time has spiralled, it's a big difference.
Re Taylor - I know that Lord Lucan and Elvis have been spotted more times than Taylor in the past year but i think we do have a decent player in him. When we signed him stats were produced that showed that in L1 he was top of the table in terms of tackles made and passes completed - above Dobbo, So keep the faith.
Yes I use the PA info and calculate a player's time from when they get on the pitch to when they leave the pitch. Garry I suggest you use our Statbank for such info not a spurious website
Yes I use the PA info and calculate a player's time from when they get on the pitch to when they leave the pitch. Garry I suggest you use our Statbank for such info not a spurious website
Haha I wouldn't call it spurious, I think it just doesn't track injury time. It's a good site in general
No way Taylor goes, people seem to be basing that on him being fit at the end of the season but not featuring, something we could afford to do because we had so many midfielders at the time (remember Louie Watson, Camara and Fiorini not even getting in the squads) so we could make sure he didn't re-injure himself.
He's a set piece specialist and a box to box midfielder, very similar to Coventry and I expect them to compete for that role.
Would it have mattered if he reinjured himself given the season was about to end?
On the Taylor front, his injury was a bad one, and was always planned to get him fit for this season, if you noticed, he played couple of reserve games, then was taken out again, as it was uncomfortable and didn’t want to force injuries.. Taylor is rated by the club, and I would be extremely surprised if he is sold, I think he will end up playing a key role.. he has looked tidy pre season so far!
I was excited by the signing and still have high hopes for him, but that last bit is just not true.
He was probably the worst player in the last game, looked like a liability getting bullied off the ball and giving it away. Can’t judge too much from a game against Dartford and a game where we were probably knackered before kick off but he needs to start stepping it up in the later pre-season games
As I said before I think we need to see outgoings before anyone else comes in, simply because we've now filled all the gaps and new signings are now us looking to upgrade on what we have
Oh i don't know, i'm just about to have a nice cappuccino, with some go ahead biscuits, trying to stay 'super chilled' we've let go of all our best players, can't get any worse, can it?
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@TelMc32 said it well, I think we can tie ourselves in knots over who plays in dead rubbers. I certainly would have been having a look in at Taylor toward the end of the season, but it may have been that the club treated the last few weeks like a mini pre-season for him, feeling it was best to get him back into shape to be ready for this season after missing almost a year (he got hurt in Feb of last year for Burton if memory serves).
I think he's going to impress a lot of people this year if given a chance. I just hope we're not so long-ball oriented that we bypass Taylor and Coventry as both are better getting it down and playing it.
If they were that worried about him getting injured then he wouldn't have been playing in the U21's.
I reckon it's more b or c than a or d but that's just me
Got nothing to say about him, just didn’t wanna be left out of the discussions.
Apologies for posting this on the rumours thread.
Re Taylor - I know that Lord Lucan and Elvis have been spotted more times than Taylor in the past year but i think we do have a decent player in him. When we signed him stats were produced that showed that in L1 he was top of the table in terms of tackles made and passes completed - above Dobbo, So keep the faith.
Garry I suggest you use our Statbank for such info not a spurious website