He has done a good job overall. With Leaburn & Dixon now at his disposal he just needs to play our creative players in their right positions (Campbell on the wing as he was when he came on at the weekend) & we’ll be good.
433 with Campbell, Leaburn & Dixon as the front line would transform our current football into a much more effective / entertaining side.
I have little time for NJ but he is here and needs to be given the season to do his thing
Like you I have little time for him but I'll go even further & say we should stick by him for 2+ years. No point bringing in a new manager who will want different players for a different system. Just more yearly churn of players.
Problem at the moment is that the 'churn of players' over the summer has not improved the team. The only new player to be consistently good is Mitchell, and the defence has improved partly as a result of him. The midfield is just as pedestrian as last season and our large collection of forwards seem incapable of scoring (unlike the man they replaced).
With the state that we were in, is anybody surprised we aren’t storming the league? It’s been billed as a project - everyone talks about the project. His aim when he was appointed last season was to prevent us getting relegated ffs!
He has come in and we have seen some positive signs. We aren’t pathetically weak at the back any more (for the most part). He needs some time to work on fluidity and our attacking aspect. I know the football isn’t pretty at times and he has a clear game plan of pressing and winning the ball high up the pitch, but that cannot be the only game plan.
He needs time and some patience. The main goal is getting out of this awful league any way possible. If the defence can hold their end of the bargain, hopefully with some work, the attacking side will work itself out too.
Promotion this year would be a bonus, especially with what seems like one of the spots already taken. I would settle for us being much more competitive this year, another two windows to bring in preferred players, and have a big push next season.
I have little time for NJ but he is here and needs to be given the season to do his thing
Like you I have little time for him but I'll go even further & say we should stick by him for 2+ years. No point bringing in a new manager who will want different players for a different system. Just more yearly churn of players.
Problem at the moment is that the 'churn of players' over the summer has not improved the team. The only new player to be consistently good is Mitchell, and the defence has improved partly as a result of him. The midfield is just as pedestrian as last season and our large collection of forwards seem incapable of scoring (unlike the man they replaced).
Not improved the team while already being in a league position we could’ve only dreamed of last season. Mad.
Talk of sacking NJ is madness, we are only a handful of games into the season and whilst not playing brilliantly we are in the play off positions. Give the team a few months to bed in with miles and Edwards coming back we should improve.
This, absolutely bonkers to have talk about sacking him.
I have little time for NJ but he is here and needs to be given the season to do his thing
Like you I have little time for him but I'll go even further & say we should stick by him for 2+ years. No point bringing in a new manager who will want different players for a different system. Just more yearly churn of players.
Problem at the moment is that the 'churn of players' over the summer has not improved the team. The only new player to be consistently good is Mitchell, and the defence has improved partly as a result of him. The midfield is just as pedestrian as last season and our large collection of forwards seem incapable of scoring (unlike the man they replaced).
He has done a good job overall. With Leaburn & Dixon now at his disposal he just needs to play our creative players in their right positions (Campbell on the wing as he was when he came on at the weekend) & we’ll be good.
433 with Campbell, Leaburn & Dixon as the front line would transform our current football into a much more effective / entertaining side.
Our whole defence was recruited for playing a 3 at the back system. It’s where they have all had success at previous clubs. I think it would be risky to change from that when our defence has been so strong.
I think it’s better to keep the strong defence in place, and hope the midfield clicks with a bit more time and that Leaburn can make a difference up front
He has done a good job overall. With Leaburn & Dixon now at his disposal he just needs to play our creative players in their right positions (Campbell on the wing as he was when he came on at the weekend) & we’ll be good.
433 with Campbell, Leaburn & Dixon as the front line would transform our current football into a much more effective / entertaining side.
Our whole defence was recruited for playing a 3 at the back system. It’s where they have all had success at previous clubs. I think it would be risky to change from that when our defence has been so strong.
I think it’s better to keep the strong defence in place, and hope the midfield clicks with a bit more time and that Leaburn can make a difference up front
100%, mucking around with the defence was a disaster on Saturday.
Curbs is our most successful manager in modern times, during his tenure there were periods when he could have been sacked, early on and in our 1st season in the Prem but the club bought into him and the project, so we had 7 years of Prem and stability, he leaves and we become a nut job club.
We may not get promotion this season, we are a work in progress, we may finish outside the top 6, but we have seen progress and as long as we can see that, then we should not be talking about undermining stability.
Maybe it's more of a case that Jones is missing his family and will want to go, especially if things aren't working out for him as expected at the Valley.
I really don't know what he expected given the type of players he's recruited. There's literally no flair or pace in any of our midfielders.
He seems to be the type of guy who likes to make really weird, inexplicable decisions, just in order to try to prove that he's so much more clever than anyone else. Selling May, not playing Mitchell on Saturday, and, one could even argue, not going all out to try to retain Dobbo before Wrexham jumped in for him.
Relying so heavily on "the press", "being on the front foot" etc, will only take you so far and will soon implode once we start losing, and the players get dejected and stop giving 105% every game.
Such tactics are no substitute for skill, flair, pace, guile, which we are sadly lacking, apart from TC, Miles and Ramsey.
Maybe it's more of a case that Jones is missing his family and will want to go, especially if things aren't working out for him as expected at the Valley.
I really don't know what he expected given the type of players he's recruited. There's literally no flair or pace in any of our midfielders.
He seems to be the type of guy who likes to make really weird, inexplicable decisions, just in order to try to prove that he's so much more clever than anyone else. Selling May, not playing Mitchell on Saturday, and, one could even argue, not going all out to try to retain Dobbo before Wrexham jumped in for him.
Relying so heavily on "the press", "being on the front foot" etc, will only take you so far and will soon implode once we start losing, and the players get rejected and stop giving 105% every game.
Such tactics are no substitute for skill, flair, pace, guile, which we are sadly lacking, apart from TC, Miles and Ramsey.
HIs family live on the south coast so would have exactly the same problem if he went to Cardiff
This place has lost it mind since Saturday, one poor performance and the dementors are out in force
Has anyone really suggested sacking Jones? I can’t actually see it (on here at least).
No, on one said anything like that, only the comment ‘I would not be surprised if things go sour we will sack him by Christmas’
A big ‘if’ there. Like, If we were bottom by Christmas then yeah, he’d be under pressure. Since then there’s been some extreme clutching of pearls on something that wasn’t said. Move on.
I don't see Cardiff as a particularly attractive job. The sort of position you'd go for if unemployed and desperate for a job, but it's a low chance that you'll succeed and improve your reputation, as they're not stable or especially well funded.
NJ has zero chance of managing in the Championship, after Stoke and Southampton he needs to prove he can manage a successful team and get them promoted.
I would not be surprised if things go sour we will sack him by Christmas
I can't see him seeing out his contract here & it wouldn't surprise me if he was gone by the end of this season.
With the state that we were in, is anybody surprised we aren’t storming the league?
I mean even if we were storming the League, anyone who thought we'd go the entire season without losing a game (most likely having to play crap for that to happen), is kidding themselves.
We're just making it a touch harder for ourselves having already lost twice, Portsmouth (5) - Derby (10) - Plymouth (7) - Ipswich (4) - Wigan (8) - Rotherham (10) are the games you can afford to lose in recent years with promotion.
I don't see Cardiff as a particularly attractive job. The sort of position you'd go for if unemployed and desperate for a job, but it's a low chance that you'll succeed and improve your reputation, as they're not stable or especially well funded.
I don't think Tan is interested enough in Cardiff anymore to pay what would be a seven figure compensation fee for a manager. Far more likely to appoint a Roland esque random European manager who's currently unemployed.
This thread is utter madness. I'm genuinely shocked at some of the comments
Modern world, people are incredibly fickle. It's a very modern British thing to turn on someone over night. Seen the reactions to Aj losing? Kier opinion polls ? Few policies and everyone is a tory again. Musician becomes a superstar ? Let's break them, it's like life is curated by The Sun.
Nathan Jones has been a good appointment, results have improved and observing his work is way better than observing Appleton and Garner. I liked Holden on a personal level, and he and Adkins had other relatable qualities. I believe that there has been a stumble, but as this season is developing it is interesting, not confusing, observing how Jones tackles things. I however admit to being confused regarding the whole Alfie May situation, but I don’t blame Jones for the loss of Dobbo. Jones has now got the next move to make in his managerial job this week, not in some far flung future in Wales, and it will be intriguing how he deals with the next selection. The idea of us wanting him to depart is frankly stupid. We should want him to get three points at Stevenage.
I have little time for NJ but he is here and needs to be given the season to do his thing
Like you I have little time for him but I'll go even further & say we should stick by him for 2+ years. No point bringing in a new manager who will want different players for a different system. Just more yearly churn of players.
Problem at the moment is that the 'churn of players' over the summer has not improved the team. The only new player to be consistently good is Mitchell, and the defence has improved partly as a result of him. The midfield is just as pedestrian as last season and our large collection of forwards seem incapable of scoring (unlike the man they replaced).
We can win games and keep clean sheets now. I'd call that an improvement.
Calm down, there isn't a single comment suggesting Jones should be sacked here. One person said he'd go "if it turned sour" as per any managerial role in the world, which has led to dozens of people calling out the "madness!" of wanting him gone – which hasn't even been said.
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433 with Campbell, Leaburn & Dixon as the front line would transform our current football into a much more effective / entertaining side.
This, absolutely bonkers to have talk about sacking him.
We may not get promotion this season, we are a work in progress, we may finish outside the top 6, but we have seen progress and as long as we can see that, then we should not be talking about undermining stability.
I really don't know what he expected given the type of players he's recruited.
There's literally no flair or pace in any of our midfielders.
He seems to be the type of guy who likes to make really weird, inexplicable decisions, just in order to try to prove that he's so much more clever than anyone else.
Selling May, not playing Mitchell on Saturday, and, one could even argue, not going all out to try to retain Dobbo before Wrexham jumped in for him.
Relying so heavily on "the press", "being on the front foot" etc, will only take you so far and will soon implode once we start losing, and the players get dejected and stop giving 105% every game.
Such tactics are no substitute for skill, flair, pace, guile, which we are sadly lacking, apart from TC, Miles and Ramsey.
A big ‘if’ there. Like, If we were bottom by Christmas then yeah, he’d be under pressure. Since then there’s been some extreme clutching of pearls on something that wasn’t said. Move on.
We're just making it a touch harder for ourselves having already lost twice, Portsmouth (5) - Derby (10) - Plymouth (7) - Ipswich (4) - Wigan (8) - Rotherham (10) are the games you can afford to lose in recent years with promotion.
I don't think Tan is interested enough in Cardiff anymore to pay what would be a seven figure compensation fee for a manager. Far more likely to appoint a Roland esque random European manager who's currently unemployed.
All incredibly depressing.
I believe that there has been a stumble, but as this season is developing it is interesting, not confusing, observing how Jones tackles things. I however admit to being confused regarding the whole Alfie May situation, but I don’t blame Jones for the loss of Dobbo.
Jones has now got the next move to make in his managerial job this week, not in some far flung future in Wales, and it will be intriguing how he deals with the next selection.
The idea of us wanting him to depart is frankly stupid.
We should want him to get three points at Stevenage.
We can win games and keep clean sheets now. I'd call that an improvement.