Am I the only who is driven crazy by the way that our throw ins almost always go backwards, even when we are in the opposition half? Throw back, the defence plays the ball around the back in an arc, playing safe. It's so predictable and ponderous and meanwhile the opposition get organised and put pressure on our players and mark us out of any possibility to make incisive moves towards goal. With the level of players we've got it's a lazy and gutless way of playing.
Does my head in.
One of the only passages of play you can't be offside from. Any throw-on inside the opposition half should be down the line to a winger or striker. It drags the opposition back towards their goal.
Schoolboy stuff.
Its what a lack of confidence does. Let somebody else make the mistake mentality!
Who thinks Methven will be on the phone right now to Nigel Pearson or a n other? "Hi can you help with a rotten apple that needs replacing?"
Mind you Tennai Watson was partially at fault for the first getting caught upfield as he does every game, exposing the centre halves (and yes Jones then invited the player inside to score).
Then for the 2nd Ness's clearance managed to go about 5 yards, when it should have gone 20 yards. The ball came back to Tennai Watson who kindly chested it down for Burton to score the 2nd, instead of volleying it anywhere out of the penalty area.
Our defenders were absolute rank (apart from Thomas who was good) and I can't work out why they make the same mistakes in and out of possession every game.
Is it mainly down to the players or is the coach equally at fault? The defending was just as poor under Holden.
NB Scott brought in T Watson, Jones & Edun & none are good enough and Ness whilst starting deterioated.
The only chink was the new players looked ok, apart from Fiorini.
Pretty sure the weak clearance for the second was Coventry, not Ness.
Fuck off Appleton, you useless C**T You are the worst manager that I have seen in 55 years supporting this club.
Just do the honorable thing and go!
Karel Fraeye is the worst manager this club has ever had and always will be.
That is a matter of opinion.
Neither manager was any good, in fact both of them are absolute shite. But Appleton is pretending to manage in League 1, whereas Karel Fraeye was managing in the Championship.
They are both useless.
But Appleton, by virtue that he cannot manage in League One is the worst.
Makro car park. 8pm. Being a second. Flintlock or epee.
If I see T Watson and Ness starting on Tuesday and we don't win, I will join the Appleton out camp. I am teetering one way and then the other. What puts me off is the concern we will just get another manager from the same pond.
I, like you Mutley, have not critised Appleton and felt he needed to be given his own players and the gaping holes in the squad needed to be addressed before I could give him the thumbs up or thumbs down. For me today was a breaking point in that backing. He had options today whereas before his options were limited, the recent arrivals were in the main starting, in midfield and up front but it was Appleton who selected that back three and the wing backs. The players in those positions, were players he knew all about, their pluses and their minuses, he selected them above other options, that's Appletons responsibility and this defeat and performance are Appletons responsibility and he got it badly wrong.
I absolutely accept it's subjective but i think MA is the worst manager we have ever had. Yes worse than Fraye, Dowie or Slade.. just my opinion of course.
Fuck off Appleton, you useless C**T You are the worst manager that I have seen in 55 years supporting this club.
Just do the honorable thing and go!
Karel Fraeye is the worst manager this club has ever had and always will be.
That is a matter of opinion.
Neither manager was any good, in fact both of them are absolute shite. But Appleton is pretending to manage in League 1, whereas Karel Fraeye was managing in the Championship.
They are both useless.
But Appleton, by virtue that he cannot manage in League One is the worst.
Makro car park. 8pm. Being a second. Flintlock or epee.
Trying to be rational .. Burton are not a bad side and the fact that we have made a few potentially decent signings doesn't give us the automatic right to steamroller all and any opposition. We had more shots, corners and possession than Burton and should have made a lot more out of those bare statistics, BUT as we all know (all together now) it' goals that count
3 5 2 does not suit us, I am sick n tired of saying this. Appleton wants us to play like a premier team with L1 players, he should either get with reality or face the sack .. equally as said, we have a lot of newcomers and it will take a while for the clichéd bedding in. The thing is though we don't have the time, so need the new boys up and at it a s a p, preferably from tomorrow I am no more downcast than I was before this game, we are a badly managed side with decent players, Appleton seems to lack the ability to motivate and organise his players and his record down the years mostly supports my opinion
Two tough games coming up and IF we don't get points from both of those, then Appleton should be replaced. We don't know who 'selected' the new players, whoever it was has potentially done a good job. IF it was Appleton he deserves two those more games to get his choices sorted and to get results, else Michael get the fuck away elsewhere, a long way away.
I'll say again, forget wing backs, three at the back and all the fancy old bollocks. I don't care if every other team/manager in the universe (except Vincent Kompany) has ditched 4 4 2, we need to get real, play a 4 4 2 and start earning some points. I m o we now have a squad to do it, IF IF Appleton plays to its potential and ditches the fancy stuff, gets his players to get stuck in and not baffle them with fancy and unworkable tactics
Problem is the club are building a squad for 352 and just ditched our winger who could maul teams in a 442.
I agree Appleton should be given more time as these are clearly the players he wants and needs a few weeks on the training pitch to get them to gel together. Thats why you need to do your squad building in the summer. Look at my posts last June about this.
Dont get me wrong, I want him gone yesterday. I didnt want him in the first place. But if you are going to bring in his players (2 of the signings he has coached before) then you have to give him time.
If he was to go my support would be for one of :
Duff Jones Rowett Pearson
of those you mention only Rowett appeals to me .. however, like the others you mention, he was deemed a failure in his last role, and YES supposedly like politicians (so 'they' say), all careers end in failure, it comes with the job .. Pearson and Jones I wouldn't touch with a bargepole, Duff lasted less than three months in his last role at Swansea, however he was a top class defender and could, emphasise could have the nous to get our defence and midfield organised to stop the consistent leaking of goals. The main thing though, is DITCH 3 4 3 or it's fancy variations, play 4 at the back, defend like Spartans and graft out some results .. will the loanees and new signings be up for a right fight though ? .. as ever, we will soon find out
I absolutely accept it's subjective but i think MA is the worst manager we have ever had. Yes worse than Fraye, Dowie or Slade.. just my opinion of course.
The optimism on page 1 of the match thread was off the scale. What happened to Bakinson as the game wore on? Seemed to either fade badly, or Burton changed shape?
Trying to be rational .. Burton are not a bad side and the fact that we have made a few potentially decent signings doesn't give us the automatic right to steamroller all and any opposition. We had more shots, corners and possession than Burton and should have made a lot more out of those bare statistics, BUT as we all know (all together now) it' goals that count
3 5 2 does not suit us, I am sick n tired of saying this. Appleton wants us to play like a premier team with L1 players, he should either get with reality or face the sack .. equally as said, we have a lot of newcomers and it will take a while for the clichéd bedding in. The thing is though we don't have the time, so need the new boys up and at it a s a p, preferably from tomorrow I am no more downcast than I was before this game, we are a badly managed side with decent players, Appleton seems to lack the ability to motivate and organise his players and his record down the years mostly supports my opinion
Two tough games coming up and IF we don't get points from both of those, then Appleton should be replaced. We don't know who 'selected' the new players, whoever it was has potentially done a good job. IF it was Appleton he deserves two those more games to get his choices sorted and to get results, else Michael get the fuck away elsewhere, a long way away.
I'll say again, forget wing backs, three at the back and all the fancy old bollocks. I don't care if every other team/manager in the universe (except Vincent Kompany) has ditched 4 4 2, we need to get real, play a 4 4 2 and start earning some points. I m o we now have a squad to do it, IF IF Appleton plays to its potential and ditches the fancy stuff, gets his players to get stuck in and not baffle them with fancy and unworkable tactics
Except without Rak Saki and CBT we have no decent wide players. So neither 442 or443 work with this squad. But on today's evidence neither does 352.
My issue with Appleton is that he talks some sense in terms of identifying issues but then I don't see the talk manifest itself on the pitch. I understand he highlighted the passing backwards and sidewards being an issue today. Well the first three players that applies to are Watson, Ness and Jones. Thomas was making good offensive passes and he subbed him. Gillesphey looked like he can pass. On Tuesday he needs to act on what is plain to see. not just see it and say it. Asiimwe is young and can make errors but he plays without fear from what I have seen. I can't see how we would not be better with him playing instead of powder puff T Watson.
Am I the only who is driven crazy by the way that our throw ins almost always go backwards, even when we are in the opposition half? Throw back, the defence plays the ball around the back in an arc, playing safe. It's so predictable and ponderous and meanwhile the opposition get organised and put pressure on our players and mark us out of any possibility to make incisive moves towards goal. With the level of players we've got it's a lazy and gutless way of playing.
Agree with this 100%. I kept saying to my son that Burton's goal is the other way. Are they coached to play like this, or is it just lack of confidence that stops the players taking the ball into the opponents half? Possibly both. Boring to watch, that I do know!!! Very sad to see us in a situation where we are now fighting relegation in league 1.
Most telling thing was when the ref was being subbed, my son phoned (who was watching stream) and said MA was still standing still with hands in pocket and not taking the opportunity to get the team together. Bloke clearly has run out of ideas / lost the dressing room. Hope he’s gone by Tuesday and if he’s still there when I get to Bloomfield Road I might just stay in the pub
My issue with Appleton is that he talks some sense in terms of identifying issues but then I don't see the talk manifest itself on the pitch. I understand he highlighted the passing backwards and sidewards being an issue today. Well the first three players that applies to are Watson, Ness and Jones. Thomas was making good offensive passes and he subbed him. Gillesphey looked like he can pass. On Tuesday he needs to act on what is plain to see. not just see it and say it. Asiimwe is young and can make errors but he plays without fear from what I have seen. I can't see how we would not be better with him playing instead of powder puff T Watson.
My issue with Appleton is that he talks some sense in terms of identifying issues but then I don't see the talk manifest itself on the pitch. I understand he highlighted the passing backwards and sidewards being an issue today. Well the first three players that applies to are Watson, Ness and Jones. Thomas was making good offensive passes and he subbed him. Gillesphey looked like he can pass. On Tuesday he needs to act on what is plain to see. not just see it and say it. Asiimwe is young and can make errors but he plays without fear from what I have seen. I can't see how we would not be better with him playing instead of powder puff T Watson.
Trying to be rational .. Burton are not a bad side and the fact that we have made a few potentially decent signings doesn't give us the automatic right to steamroller all and any opposition. We had more shots, corners and possession than Burton and should have made a lot more out of those bare statistics, BUT as we all know (all together now) it' goals that count
3 5 2 does not suit us, I am sick n tired of saying this. Appleton wants us to play like a premier team with L1 players, he should either get with reality or face the sack .. equally as said, we have a lot of newcomers and it will take a while for the clichéd bedding in. The thing is though we don't have the time, so need the new boys up and at it a s a p, preferably from tomorrow I am no more downcast than I was before this game, we are a badly managed side with decent players, Appleton seems to lack the ability to motivate and organise his players and his record down the years mostly supports my opinion
Two tough games coming up and IF we don't get points from both of those, then Appleton should be replaced. We don't know who 'selected' the new players, whoever it was has potentially done a good job. IF it was Appleton he deserves two those more games to get his choices sorted and to get results, else Michael get the fuck away elsewhere, a long way away.
I'll say again, forget wing backs, three at the back and all the fancy old bollocks. I don't care if every other team/manager in the universe (except Vincent Kompany) has ditched 4 4 2, we need to get real, play a 4 4 2 and start earning some points. I m o we now have a squad to do it, IF IF Appleton plays to its potential and ditches the fancy stuff, gets his players to get stuck in and not baffle them with fancy and unworkable tactics
Except without Rak Saki and CBT we have no decent wide players. So neither 442 or443 work with this squad. But on today's evidence neither does 352.
The formation was fine. In the first half we should have gone in 1-0 up or at least at 0-0. Then bring on L Watson in place of of the more defensive midfielders if you need a goal.
It wasn't the formation's fault we let in 2 stupid goals.
Trying to be rational .. Burton are not a bad side and the fact that we have made a few potentially decent signings doesn't give us the automatic right to steamroller all and any opposition. We had more shots, corners and possession than Burton and should have made a lot more out of those bare statistics, BUT as we all know (all together now) it' goals that count
3 5 2 does not suit us, I am sick n tired of saying this. Appleton wants us to play like a premier team with L1 players, he should either get with reality or face the sack .. equally as said, we have a lot of newcomers and it will take a while for the clichéd bedding in. The thing is though we don't have the time, so need the new boys up and at it a s a p, preferably from tomorrow I am no more downcast than I was before this game, we are a badly managed side with decent players, Appleton seems to lack the ability to motivate and organise his players and his record down the years mostly supports my opinion
Two tough games coming up and IF we don't get points from both of those, then Appleton should be replaced. We don't know who 'selected' the new players, whoever it was has potentially done a good job. IF it was Appleton he deserves two those more games to get his choices sorted and to get results, else Michael get the fuck away elsewhere, a long way away.
I'll say again, forget wing backs, three at the back and all the fancy old bollocks. I don't care if every other team/manager in the universe (except Vincent Kompany) has ditched 4 4 2, we need to get real, play a 4 4 2 and start earning some points. I m o we now have a squad to do it, IF IF Appleton plays to its potential and ditches the fancy stuff, gets his players to get stuck in and not baffle them with fancy and unworkable tactics
Except without Rak Saki and CBT we have no decent wide players. So neither 442 or443 work with this squad. But on today's evidence neither does 352.
good post , 443 could work as we'd outnumber the opposition AND yes I know you meant 4 3 3 lol
On the train on my way home. Was encouraged by the first half. We were tidy without showing a lot of quality. Poor goal to concede. I think it was Burtons first shot of the match! Second half was a different story and has left me feeling very depressed. I honestly don't see where the next win will come from. We lost every battle all over the pitch and didn't create a thing until Kanu came on. There was absolutely no movement and our wing backs are not wing backs. Not once did they get free and the crosses were always behind the strikers. Too many players looked very poor in that second half which is one of the worst I have seen. And I have seen some bad ones! Really hope we can grind out a result on Tuesday or else we are in big trouble.
All the optimism over our new signings blown away after 90 odd minutes. Makes no difference who we sign with this clown in charge. Get rid now and give the new bloke a chance to see what's needed in the summer
The definition of madness, according to Einstein, was "... doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result" .
What you are asking for here, according to Einstein, is madness.
The second things go wrong in toxicvalleyworld is a cry to sack the manager. Appleton has proven he can bring success at this level. He isn't the problem.
All the optimism over our new signings blown away after 90 odd minutes. Makes no difference who we sign with this clown in charge. Get rid now and give the new bloke a chance to see what's needed in the summer
The definition of madness, according to Einstein, was "... doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result" .
What you are asking for here, according to Einstein, is madness.
The second things go wrong in toxicvalleyworld is a cry to sack the manager. Appleton has proven he can bring success at this level. He isn't the problem.
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Deserved better based on first half, but overall CRAP AGAIN...
So, I thought I'd pop something up to remind us of better times...and much much better players and Management...
Roll on Tuesday, can't wait!!
The main thing though, is DITCH 3 4 3 or it's fancy variations, play 4 at the back, defend like Spartans and graft out some results .. will the loanees and new signings be up for a right fight though ? .. as ever, we will soon find out
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/michael-appleton-insists-he-still-retains-backing-of-charlton-athletic-board-after-winless-run-extended-with-defeat-at-burton/
What happened to Bakinson as the game wore on? Seemed to either fade badly, or Burton changed shape?
But on today's evidence neither does 352.
We need a manager who will motivate - formations mean jack shite if players can't be arsed.
Very sad to see us in a situation where we are now fighting relegation in league 1.
It wasn't the formation's fault we let in 2 stupid goals.
What you are asking for here, according to Einstein, is madness.
The second things go wrong in toxicvalleyworld is a cry to sack the manager. Appleton has proven he can bring success at this level. He isn't the problem.