Careful. Not sure why you are blaming, or specifically referencing, the colour of the kit.
I read yesterday, on here, that ; "Bullying because of an intrinsic characteristic is wrong and that’s the only reason people do it - what else was the purpose of the original comment if it wasn’t to draw attention to, and denigrate, an intrinsic characteristic.
It’s a shame when people a) do it because they think it’s still funny and b) then when others seek to suggest it’s fine."
No one going to comment on what Apples said to @Braziliance (well done btw) about ‘we need to move on, from Curbs’.
What a fecking cheek. Why are we still clinging on to the one fella who made our football team play some of the best football we’ve ever seen? Because since he went we’ve had a fecking load of two bit chancers bring in two bit managers who couldn’t care less because they get a pay out & then move on to another poor club desperate for success.
So with that in mind, you can fecking move on Mr Apples, you Stone Island miserable fecking useless tosser.
No one going to comment on what Apples said to @Braziliance (well done btw) about ‘we need to move on, from Curbs’.
What a fecking cheek. Why are we still clinging on to the one fella who made our football team play some of the best football we’ve ever seen? Because since he went we’ve had a fecking load of two bit chancers bring in two bit managers who couldn’t care less because they get a pay out & then move on to another poor club desperate for success.
So with that in mind, you can fecking move on Mr Apples, you Stone Island miserable fecking useless tosser.
Rant over………for now.
so glad you raised that, saw that last night and thought the same as you. Shows what a prat he is.
No one going to comment on what Apples said to @Braziliance (well done btw) about ‘we need to move on, from Curbs’.
What a fecking cheek. Why are we still clinging on to the one fella who made our football team play some of the best football we’ve ever seen? Because since he went we’ve had a fecking load of two bit chancers bring in two bit managers who couldn’t care less because they get a pay out & then move on to another poor club desperate for success.
So with that in mind, you can fecking move on Mr Apples, you Stone Island miserable fecking useless tosser.
Rant over………for now.
so glad you raised that, saw that last night and thought the same as you. Shows what a prat he is.
To be fair I think Henderson said that rather than Appleton.
Agree it was a crass, disrespectful thing to say though.
- put up with the shit and support regardless of how shit they become - protest, but still put up with the shit - stay away but protest and complain [the camp I am in presently] in the hope it might change - give up on Charlton
Fans in the top group are dwindling away, so our club is fucked whilst these morons own it.
Appleton is useless, but we knew that before he arrived.
Mouthy Methven seems to have lost his voice, but he now needs to step up or even more fans will walk away.
By stepping up I mean.
- sack Appleton - employ a decent manager who will lead and inspire - return all the loanee dross we have - sign some real Div 1 hardnut players to compliment the youth - get rid of any player who cannot be arsed - keep Alfie and play him as a centre forward
It aint that difficult, but our club is blighted with wankers and half wits owning and managing it.
Johnson-Clarke- Harris to Charlton. Don’t make me laugh why would he come to Charlton when Wrexham are after him as well with double the money we can offer. I’m sure our new signings ( if any which I doubt) will save the day.Not this season anyway. We’re slowly sinking.
I'm friends with a few Peterborough fans and all say they will drive him to The Valley themselves. They think he's lazy and has a bad attitude and hasn't got in the side for weeks now. Not exactly the kind of player we need.
I’ve just been told the other team in for Clarke Harris is Fleetwood so unless they are offering silly money it looks like he’s coming to us . What other reason would you move to Fleetwood?
Johnson-Clarke- Harris to Charlton. Don’t make me laugh why would he come to Charlton when Wrexham are after him as well with double the money we can offer. I’m sure our new signings ( if any which I doubt) will save the day.Not this season anyway. We’re slowly sinking.
I'm friends with a few Peterborough fans and all say they will drive him to The Valley themselves. They think he's lazy and has a bad attitude and hasn't got in the side for weeks now. Not exactly the kind of player we need.
I’ve just been told the other team in for Clarke Harris is Fleetwood so unless they are offering silly money it looks like he’s coming to us . What other reason would you move to Fleetwood?
No one going to comment on what Apples said to @Braziliance (well done btw) about ‘we need to move on, from Curbs’.
What a fecking cheek. Why are we still clinging on to the one fella who made our football team play some of the best football we’ve ever seen? Because since he went we’ve had a fecking load of two bit chancers bring in two bit managers who couldn’t care less because they get a pay out & then move on to another poor club desperate for success.
So with that in mind, you can fecking move on Mr Apples, you Stone Island miserable fecking useless tosser.
Rant over………for now.
so glad you raised that, saw that last night and thought the same as you. Shows what a prat he is.
To be fair I think Henderson said that rather than Appleton.
Agree it was a crass, disrespectful thing to say though.
Just reread it.
The conversation was with Henderson as I thought but APPLETON 'chimed in' with the Curbs comment.
Johnson-Clarke- Harris to Charlton. Don’t make me laugh why would he come to Charlton when Wrexham are after him as well with double the money we can offer. I’m sure our new signings ( if any which I doubt) will save the day.Not this season anyway. We’re slowly sinking.
I'm friends with a few Peterborough fans and all say they will drive him to The Valley themselves. They think he's lazy and has a bad attitude and hasn't got in the side for weeks now. Not exactly the kind of player we need.
I’ve just been told the other team in for Clarke Harris is Fleetwood so unless they are offering silly money it looks like he’s coming to us . What other reason would you move to Fleetwood?
If those are his only options he might just opt to stay at Peterborough and move on a free in the summer. That would be the smart move
I feel I must defend Appleton a bit here. Firstly, whilst it makes sense on one level to play May in his correct position, but we have seen that he can be smothered out of the game without support. The problem stems from the fact that most of our chances fall to him and CBT. The rest are f*ing soft passengers with no desire to get in the positions and make things happen. We see it in set pieces where not enough players want it enough. So stop him and CBT and generally you stop us
Yes, when we have Leaburn or Aneke we become more potent and more of a threat. Holden paid the price for having only May and when Appleton came in he suddenly had Leaburn and Aneke and results improved. The simple way to address it is to make the midfield more competetive. League one teams are winning too much second ball and generally bullying us and it is probably more important at this stage to give some back to them, refs at this level allow a lot of fouls, than play fancy football unless ideally those that play the fancy football have some bite to them. Stevenage are doing well despite liited resources because Evans is a no nonsense win at all costs manager.
I think our full backs are too soft too. If you look carefully, we do have more skill than most of the teams we play. I appreciate you do have to look closely as it isn't always that evident. At this level most teams play the percentages. Very basic stuff. But if you are first to the ball and stronger, that is often enough. But it is no use having more talent if you don't do the running and help your teammates and bite into tackles. That is a League One minimum and we fall well short there. I can see our players trying to do this at times but it isn't their game and they can't sustain it. We are carrying too many of this soft type of player and the winning second ball issue goes well beyond this season.
Maybe part of the issue is we have too many young players. Those that played know that a hard team will often beat a more skillful fancy team. It isn't their fault they are young and it is probably a good education for them. T Campbell is a good example. Look at the goal yesterday, he was strong and did their defender for the goal. But you can see it doesn't come naturally and he has to lean it, and he will. Same with Anderson, trying to control the ball and the opponent just goes into him and he loses it. Similar with Kanu. It is for them a case of having to think about it rather than it come naturally at this stage in their careers and they don't have enough players around them compensating for it. Don't write them off, it will make them better players but the cost is a poor season. You can even see Leaburn learning when some limited thug of a defender can dominate him. All good learning but not good for winning games now.
I just cannot believe what I have seen.A worst goal than the one against Orient.Just look where our defence is when one of two players 5 yards out puts the ball in from an unchallenged pass into the goal area..Hector is actually on the edge of the penalty area when they score, where is the urgency to get back and fill the area,CBT looks like he has nodded off.Would also point out this was Dobsons worst game in a Charlton shirt,his passing was hopeless.This is getting worse,but I dont see what Appleton can do when he is regularly let down by the players on the pitch,i wouldnt like to manage this lot.
Fall on his very blunt sword is my answer to your question.
Sounds as though more Lifers are coming around to my way of thinking that MA must go before the whole pack of cards comes tumbling down. Not in the summer when "his" players might be stinking up the squad but NOW.
All these encouraging words from AS are just that ...words. I have little faith in him actually walking the walk. He states what he thinks we need to hear...
...but we don't suffer charlatans gladly at Charlton. We've learned from bitter experience.
Bring in a new broom . Pay over the odds if necessary. Then slowly but surely invest in HIS squad.
Had a big discussion with our gang tonight pre match & it was clear that my train of thought didn't cut the mustard.
But I stand by my words.
Nathan Jones ia awaiting the call.
If this series of non acceptable performances continues, we're going to be in brown smelly stuff before too long and it could be all too late.
It's 2am now, just home, & time to try to wipe the memory of yet another capitulation ...but it's getting harder match by match.
Then as is usual,the whole team goes walkabout during a free kick about 10 yards from our area.The manager can do nothing at the time to prevent this,this is totally down to the players to get themselves organised and see the danger out.
But sorting yourself out for free kicks, and any set pieces, is exactly what you should be doing at training and drilling it into the players time after time.
If Appleton is doing this and they’re still the rabble they are then it’s definitely on the players.
I mean we sort of do need to move on from Curbs. No one can dispute that he’s a legend or anything he’s done for the club but football has moved on. Not just from Curbs but from all the managers that were successful back then. How many of the Prem managers from say 2005 still have good managerial jobs? Won’t be many. Football has changed but lots of our fans can’t seem to accept that. Curbs and Brownie getting us play 442 would probably make things worse and we don’t need their legacies tarnished like that
Johnson-Clarke- Harris to Charlton. Don’t make me laugh why would he come to Charlton when Wrexham are after him as well with double the money we can offer. I’m sure our new signings ( if any which I doubt) will save the day.Not this season anyway. We’re slowly sinking.
I'm friends with a few Peterborough fans and all say they will drive him to The Valley themselves. They think he's lazy and has a bad attitude and hasn't got in the side for weeks now. Not exactly the kind of player we need.
I’ve just been told the other team in for Clarke Harris is Fleetwood so unless they are offering silly money it looks like he’s coming to us . What other reason would you move to Fleetwood?
The presence of Curbs (and Brownie) on the streaming service is very useful to the owners management in persuading fans that it's still the Charlton they recognise and love (even though it's mostly not). The downside is that it reminds fans that things don't have to be like this.
I doubt if we'd be having this discussion about Curbs if he wasn't on Charlton TV commenting on the games. To be clear, I think it's insightful and entertaining, but it's a bit odd from the perspective of the current manager. I suspect that's why he's venting about him.
I mean we sort of do need to move on from Curbs. No one can dispute that he’s a legend or anything he’s done for the club but football has moved on. Not just from Curbs but from all the managers that were successful back then. How many of the Prem managers from say 2005 still have good managerial jobs? Won’t be many. Football has changed but lots of our fans can’t seem to accept that. Curbs and Brownie getting us play 442 would probably make things worse and we don’t need their legacies tarnished like that
True, but are you seriously suggesting that the managers we have had since Curbs reflect “progress”?
We fans are not pining for Curbs, but we do need a manager with his ability to mould players into a squad that will fight for the badge.
Appleton has zero passion or inspiration - time to get rid.
Johnson-Clarke- Harris to Charlton. Don’t make me laugh why would he come to Charlton when Wrexham are after him as well with double the money we can offer. I’m sure our new signings ( if any which I doubt) will save the day.Not this season anyway. We’re slowly sinking.
I'm friends with a few Peterborough fans and all say they will drive him to The Valley themselves. They think he's lazy and has a bad attitude and hasn't got in the side for weeks now. Not exactly the kind of player we need.
I’ve just been told the other team in for Clarke Harris is Fleetwood so unless they are offering silly money it looks like he’s coming to us . What other reason would you move to Fleetwood?
Johnson-Clarke- Harris to Charlton. Don’t make me laugh why would he come to Charlton when Wrexham are after him as well with double the money we can offer. I’m sure our new signings ( if any which I doubt) will save the day.Not this season anyway. We’re slowly sinking.
I'm friends with a few Peterborough fans and all say they will drive him to The Valley themselves. They think he's lazy and has a bad attitude and hasn't got in the side for weeks now. Not exactly the kind of player we need.
I’ve just been told the other team in for Clarke Harris is Fleetwood so unless they are offering silly money it looks like he’s coming to us . What other reason would you move to Fleetwood?
I recall Clarke Harris from his Rotherham days where he always ran hot and cold .. he's now a lot older, seemingly a bit wiser and his scoring record since moving to Bristol R then Posh is impressive, 99 goals from 191 games at last count, he was recalled this week and scored twice. I find it hard to believe that Posh would let him go unless he's got the right hump and/or has fallen out with the manager He COULD be a great foil for May, provided May doesn't move on the New Year and that Clarke Harris isn't immediately Charltonised. I would guess he needs very careful managing, but after all that is what modern managers have to do
I mean we sort of do need to move on from Curbs. No one can dispute that he’s a legend or anything he’s done for the club but football has moved on. Not just from Curbs but from all the managers that were successful back then. How many of the Prem managers from say 2005 still have good managerial jobs? Won’t be many. Football has changed but lots of our fans can’t seem to accept that. Curbs and Brownie getting us play 442 would probably make things worse and we don’t need their legacies tarnished like that
True, but are you seriously suggesting that the managers we have had since Curbs reflect “progress”?
We fans are not pining for Curbs, but we do need a manager with his ability to mould players into a squad that will fight for the badge.
Appleton has zero passion or inspiration - time to get rid.
I’m not saying we’ve progressed, you’d have to be blind to think that. But there are people calling for Curbs, there’s a whole thread of them on this forum alone and every match there’s a massive chunk of people saying we should play 442 as if our midfield doesn’t get overwhelmed as it is. Appleton clearly isn’t the right guy but there are definitely people who are hung up on the past and need to realise that football has changed.
I mean we sort of do need to move on from Curbs. No one can dispute that he’s a legend or anything he’s done for the club but football has moved on. Not just from Curbs but from all the managers that were successful back then. How many of the Prem managers from say 2005 still have good managerial jobs? Won’t be many. Football has changed but lots of our fans can’t seem to accept that. Curbs and Brownie getting us play 442 would probably make things worse and we don’t need their legacies tarnished like that
True, but are you seriously suggesting that the managers we have had since Curbs reflect “progress”?
We fans are not pining for Curbs, but we do need a manager with his ability to mould players into a squad that will fight for the badge.
Appleton has zero passion or inspiration - time to get rid.
I’m not saying we’ve progressed, you’d have to be blind to think that. But there are people calling for Curbs, there’s a whole thread of them on this forum alone and every match there’s a massive chunk of people saying we should play 442 as if our midfield doesn’t get overwhelmed as it is. Appleton clearly isn’t the right guy but there are definitely people who are hung up on the past and need to realise that football has changed.
Appleton plays Dobbo and Fraser in a midfield 2 that gets overrun most weeks
I mean we sort of do need to move on from Curbs. No one can dispute that he’s a legend or anything he’s done for the club but football has moved on. Not just from Curbs but from all the managers that were successful back then. How many of the Prem managers from say 2005 still have good managerial jobs? Won’t be many. Football has changed but lots of our fans can’t seem to accept that. Curbs and Brownie getting us play 442 would probably make things worse and we don’t need their legacies tarnished like that
True, but are you seriously suggesting that the managers we have had since Curbs reflect “progress”?
We fans are not pining for Curbs, but we do need a manager with his ability to mould players into a squad that will fight for the badge.
Appleton has zero passion or inspiration - time to get rid.
I’m not saying we’ve progressed, you’d have to be blind to think that. But there are people calling for Curbs, there’s a whole thread of them on this forum alone and every match there’s a massive chunk of people saying we should play 442 as if our midfield doesn’t get overwhelmed as it is. Appleton clearly isn’t the right guy but there are definitely people who are hung up on the past and need to realise that football has changed.
Appleton plays Dobbo and Fraser in a midfield 2 that gets overrun most weeks
yeah but in a 442 they’d be higher up the pitch and CBT would be expected to be defending along with any other modern day winger. hard to believe but it would be even less solid
I mean we sort of do need to move on from Curbs. No one can dispute that he’s a legend or anything he’s done for the club but football has moved on. Not just from Curbs but from all the managers that were successful back then. How many of the Prem managers from say 2005 still have good managerial jobs? Won’t be many. Football has changed but lots of our fans can’t seem to accept that. Curbs and Brownie getting us play 442 would probably make things worse and we don’t need their legacies tarnished like that
True, but are you seriously suggesting that the managers we have had since Curbs reflect “progress”?
We fans are not pining for Curbs, but we do need a manager with his ability to mould players into a squad that will fight for the badge.
Appleton has zero passion or inspiration - time to get rid.
I’m not saying we’ve progressed, you’d have to be blind to think that. But there are people calling for Curbs, there’s a whole thread of them on this forum alone and every match there’s a massive chunk of people saying we should play 442 as if our midfield doesn’t get overwhelmed as it is. Appleton clearly isn’t the right guy but there are definitely people who are hung up on the past and need to realise that football has changed.
The Curbs debate isn’t the issue. The fact some fans still want him is because of what he achieved. We all know he wouldn’t ever come back but to tell us to move on shows how little interest he has in us as fans. Not going to help his situation if he wants us to get behind him. So I reiterate, shut the feck up & do what your being paid good money to do or feck off.
Don’t think MA is all to blame and the reaction to him is more of a build up of frustration from the last 4 years. He deserves time he can only work with what he has and what he has is a squad full of youngsters and bottle jobs. He has been saying as much for weeks now.
I hope he is given the players he wants January so he can start building a squad that lasts and does not have to throw in youngsters who are not good enough or ready. A big forward is a must as the system falls down without that has seen with chucks and leaburn missing.
Think we are actually missing Connor mcgrandles as well to help Dobson out. Watson, Fraser and Anderson have failed.
While my video renders, I felt the need to share some of the conversations I had tonight with CAFC staff and players. Fair warning, this might be GrapeVine sized post..
Like a proper CAFC stalker, I waited outside the ground with other fans, I was in no rush to get home and figured I'd ask the players and manager what on earth is going wrong for myself, nothing toxic, just an honest conversation. I spoke with; Stephen Henderson, Corey Blackett-Taylor, Alfie May, George Dobson and Michael Appleton.
First of all, Hendo confirmed to me that Fraeye did actually sneak out in a laundry basket, or at least was happy to play along with the joke. I had an honest chat with him, said I am sick of Charlton being shit being blunt and that I am deeply concerned we have dodgy people in charge again. He said he can't speak for them (obviously) he did however say, that Appleton is the man for the job and we need to back him. I asked why he thinks that and he simply said he's a good bloke and knows what he's doing. He put our bad form down to lack of experienced pros and fatigue..
CBT was the next player I had a chat with, asked him more or less the same thing, he confidently told me that Appleton is a good coach and they are struggling only because of players. He said in particular he is really missing Chuks and Leaburn and how hard it is to play without a physical striker near him. I asked him what's the deal with him staying here, in his own words (I can't remember the exact wording) he wants to stay here, loves it at Charlton, he is personally willing to sign but he said it's up to the club. He didn't say he would sign, but he did shake my hand and looked me dead in the eyes and said he hopes he ends up with a contract here.
I then spoke with Alf, who was carrying a knock which is why he was hooked. Everyone saw him limping, he didn't say it was serious but just a precaution. He is a proper lovely bloke, really chatty. He also like Hendo and CBT said they are really struggling with lack of personnel.
Next up was Appleton himself. Now I'll be honest, I didn't berate him cause I thought it would be odd (odd enough I waited to speak to them tbh) but I did ask him a few 'challenging questions' and so did the other people I was with. He was adamant we played well tonight, one of the lads I was with disagreed and said we didn't and can't see what he's trying to do. He simply put it down to inexperience and lack of pros. Says the team has too much youth and they're really struggling. He was pretty damning about the situation in the sense he firmly believes he hasn't the right tools. I basically cut to the chase and said regardless of if he manages or not, it's groundhog day, the bottom line is, are you being backed by the board? He said that he has been told there will be signings and he took the job with that being clear. He wouldn't say the exact budget but said there's backing. At this point I just said fair play for talking to us. As I went to walk away Henderson came over and it got a bit bizarre. Hendo basically interrupted the conversation and asked one of the lads 'if Appleton goes like you're saying he might, then what? because how many managers has it been now?' Appleton then chimed in with 'I've seen ridiculous suggestions like Curbs? like come on, you need to move on'. Stressed again he needs time and bodies. Henderson seemed really protective of him to be honest, spoke with a lot of conviction that he is the man and seemed really annoyed at how he was boo'd off etc. Anyway that was pretty much that.
Finally I spoke to Dobson, who I asked the similar questions, he said, as you expect that it's fatigue and a lack of experience. Says they're struggling. All of them said they were happy with Appleton (I didn't expect a different answer) and that the lack of experience is really costing them. Finally I said to Dobson the same as CBT, contract situation. He like CBT, said he wants to stay, he likes it here, if the club can offer him the right deal he will stay. Like CBT I made him shake on it (can't go back on a gentlemans handshake) and tbf they both seemed pretty convincing.
If I am completely honest, speaking to them so openly made me feel different travelling home, I wasn't as angry anymore as they genuinely seemed really deflated. My concern is now, how they react if Appleton goes, they all seemed to genuinely like him and as much as I've slandered Appleton, credit where credit is due, he answered every question chucked at him and kept his cool. I am still of the belief he isn't the man because I can't see a playstyle, but I have come to terms with that he really is just a quiet bloke. I was genuinely quite stunned at how mellow he comes across.
Not sure what to make of it all tbh. Thought it was worth sharing though, also yes I know I am a stalker for waiting for them
As with others thanks for this. Got to say you have a great way of asking questions which puts people at ease, ( ie not threatening ) and gets a response. It's a skill . Well done
Thanks mate that's really kind of you to say.
In regards to what I shared earlier, no one said it was confidential and they gave me the impression it was ok to share. If they said not to say I wouldn't have posted but I think after last night it would be good to shed some (very dim) light on what's going on.
I think mostly I was told what I wanted to hear. CBT and Dobbo were always going to tell me they want to stay, I just thought it was important to share they want to and firmly believe the onus is on the owners.
Appleton did say the Curbs comment but he was being pressed with questions and I think he reacted a bit. I was the one who asked him about the money situation and what is he trying to achieve on the pitch. It was the other fan who said he disagreed with his comments on us playing well, that prompted Hendo to intervene.
That's when he said fans need to move on (Appleton) and he found it ridiculous people were suggesting Curbs replace him as it was so long ago he was even here. Got the impression he was feeling the pressure a bit.
Henderson then said to the lad who mentioned about us not playing well that he's planting seeds around Appleton now and that there's more to it than simply a manager as we have been struggling for years.
I did say to the group I was with after, take what Hendo says with a pinch of salt as he's of course going to back the head coach.
I still haven't really changed my mind entirely. I don't think Appleton is the long term solution as our history says it is usually a person with a Charlton connection and we are failing to do the basics. On a human level though and just on the basis he approached me with an open dialogue, when I got the impression he was well aware of my criticism of him (someone told me he knew I tore him one on a vid) I am going to lay off with the nicknames etc. I am just viewing it how I view some of these players, he took a job and backed himself and I'm not sure if he's up to it.
My main anger will be with the men pulling the strings if we don't see a turnaround this January, I spoke to a broken man who said he'd been assured he would be getting players in and that there is money. Want to make it clear that I don't think he's void of criticism, but I want to see what the board do now.
The easy solution is, they sack him, get an interim in and don't spend in January. They can then claim that due to the uncertainty around the coach position they didn't want to spend.
Either way I think it may have gone too far now and the damage is done
Johnson-Clarke- Harris to Charlton. Don’t make me laugh why would he come to Charlton when Wrexham are after him as well with double the money we can offer. I’m sure our new signings ( if any which I doubt) will save the day.Not this season anyway. We’re slowly sinking.
I'm friends with a few Peterborough fans and all say they will drive him to The Valley themselves. They think he's lazy and has a bad attitude and hasn't got in the side for weeks now. Not exactly the kind of player we need.
I’ve just been told the other team in for Clarke Harris is Fleetwood so unless they are offering silly money it looks like he’s coming to us . What other reason would you move to Fleetwood?
Golf.
Some of the golf courses around that area are top notch - Open standard.
I think whoever said about Curbs and 'needing to move on' doesn't know our history at all. Curbs had many abilities but I always recall that whenever we had a couple of defeats in a row he would then shore up the defence and get something out of the next game. Since he went we've had nobody that could do this. MA doesn't seem to have any man management skills and the way the players are set up and how they give away goals has been criminal recently.
These are meant to be professional footballers yet they seem incapable of playing with any heart. I can take most things but not trying is an act of treason and says feck you to the fans.
As I said yesterday there is something truly smelly going on in the background and we need a complete haul over but with Buddies United running the show I doubt this will happen.
By the way I'd like to add my appreciation to Braziliance for his exce half season managerial report. To stay behind after a shocking performance and question the team was a good thing.
Yes, of course the players gave standard answers as did MA but make no mistake those questions will have made an impact on some that we ain't happy.
Of course some players will not give a feck but this Board of wannabe owners ought to realise that we can protest better than most and if they think a few boos is nothing to worry about then they really don't get it or us.
I also think I'd rather move on a few people like Andy Pandy and Crappleton, not spend any money in this window and let Jason Pearce take over for the remainder of the season.
I do agree that Appleton does not seem the most inspirational manager we have had,But last night he made the change and it worked Campbell assist Tedic goal.We should have got a point.Then as is usual,the whole team goes walkabout during a free kick about 10 yards from our area.The manager can do nothing at the time to prevent this,this is totally down to the players to get themselves organised and see the danger out.No one bothered,just look at CBT,why where our players on the edge of the area and not in the goal area .I know its a different level ,but watch Brighton and West Ham defend their leads in their games this week,that requires the level of commitment which we dont have.
Doing nothing means standing on the touchline hands in pockets silent, why wasn't he shouting at the players to get further back and defend the keeper, not brain science. Man has no chance of improving this team, devoid of any personality and people moaned about Lee Bowyer at least he had guts. Great interview Braziliance but you were too soft with him, I realise you were in an awkward position. I just can't understand anyone defending this journeyman beige guy!
No one going to comment on what Apples said to @Braziliance (well done btw) about ‘we need to move on, from Curbs’.
What a fecking cheek. Why are we still clinging on to the one fella who made our football team play some of the best football we’ve ever seen? Because since he went we’ve had a fecking load of two bit chancers bring in two bit managers who couldn’t care less because they get a pay out & then move on to another poor club desperate for success.
So with that in mind, you can fecking move on Mr Apples, you Stone Island miserable fecking useless tosser.
Rant over………for now.
That’s got me thinking, who was the last manager to get us promoted out of any league that was not a former Charlton player?
If we are going to sack Appleton and bring in similar, it is probably best we keep Appleton and give him a chance to address the issues he claims to know are there. I am a great believer in that the root of solving any problem is understanding it and it is true some of the issues in the squad have been evident for years. I think it would be foolish too assume that because our season is over that the January window isn't important and I am fed up being told what a bad window it is. The summer one is difficult too FFS! We have to start building a promotion squad from here. What Powell did in a summer window was a bit of a miracle and maybe we need to maximise two windows to make it happen rather than one, although he did bring BWP in in January who was a key player. I would say May is a key player and we have to work out who the other players we can go forwards with are. This needs to be done ruthlessly, as Powell did.
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I read yesterday, on here, that ;
"Bullying because of an intrinsic characteristic is wrong and that’s the only reason people do it - what else was the purpose of the original comment if it wasn’t to draw attention to, and denigrate, an intrinsic characteristic.
about ‘we need to move on, from Curbs’.
What a fecking cheek.
Why are we still clinging on to the one fella who made our football team play some of the best football we’ve ever seen? Because since he went we’ve had a fecking load of two bit chancers bring in two bit managers who couldn’t care less because they get a pay out & then move on to another poor club desperate for success.
So with that in mind, you can fecking move on Mr Apples, you Stone Island miserable fecking useless tosser.
Rant over………for now.
Agree it was a crass, disrespectful thing to say though.
- put up with the shit and support regardless of how shit they become
- protest, but still put up with the shit
- stay away but protest and complain [the camp I am in presently] in the hope it might change
- give up on Charlton
Fans in the top group are dwindling away, so our club is fucked whilst these morons own it.
Appleton is useless, but we knew that before he arrived.
Mouthy Methven seems to have lost his voice, but he now needs to step up or even more fans will walk away.
By stepping up I mean.
- sack Appleton
- employ a decent manager who will lead and inspire
- return all the loanee dross we have
- sign some real Div 1 hardnut players to compliment the youth
- get rid of any player who cannot be arsed
- keep Alfie and play him as a centre forward
It aint that difficult, but our club is blighted with wankers and half wits owning and managing it.
The conversation was with Henderson as I thought but APPLETON 'chimed in' with the Curbs comment.
Tosser!
I doubt if we'd be having this discussion about Curbs if he wasn't on Charlton TV commenting on the games. To be clear, I think it's insightful and entertaining, but it's a bit odd from the perspective of the current manager. I suspect that's why he's venting about him.
We fans are not pining for Curbs, but we do need a manager with his ability to mould players into a squad that will fight for the badge.
Appleton has zero passion or inspiration - time to get rid.
He COULD be a great foil for May, provided May doesn't move on the New Year and that Clarke Harris isn't immediately Charltonised. I would guess he needs very careful managing, but after all that is what modern managers have to do
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/four-takeaways-from-charltons-2-1-loss-at-bristol-rovers-mood-is-turning-sour-as-poor-addicks-run-continues/
The fact some fans still want him is because of what he achieved.
We all know he wouldn’t ever come back but to tell us to move on shows how little interest he has in us as fans.
Not going to help his situation if he wants us to get behind him.
So I reiterate, shut the feck up & do what your being paid good money to do or feck off.
In regards to what I shared earlier, no one said it was confidential and they gave me the impression it was ok to share. If they said not to say I wouldn't have posted but I think after last night it would be good to shed some (very dim) light on what's going on.
I think mostly I was told what I wanted to hear. CBT and Dobbo were always going to tell me they want to stay, I just thought it was important to share they want to and firmly believe the onus is on the owners.
Appleton did say the Curbs comment but he was being pressed with questions and I think he reacted a bit. I was the one who asked him about the money situation and what is he trying to achieve on the pitch. It was the other fan who said he disagreed with his comments on us playing well, that prompted Hendo to intervene.
That's when he said fans need to move on (Appleton) and he found it ridiculous people were suggesting Curbs replace him as it was so long ago he was even here. Got the impression he was feeling the pressure a bit.
Henderson then said to the lad who mentioned about us not playing well that he's planting seeds around Appleton now and that there's more to it than simply a manager as we have been struggling for years.
I did say to the group I was with after, take what Hendo says with a pinch of salt as he's of course going to back the head coach.
I still haven't really changed my mind entirely. I don't think Appleton is the long term solution as our history says it is usually a person with a Charlton connection and we are failing to do the basics. On a human level though and just on the basis he approached me with an open dialogue, when I got the impression he was well aware of my criticism of him (someone told me he knew I tore him one on a vid) I am going to lay off with the nicknames etc. I am just viewing it how I view some of these players, he took a job and backed himself and I'm not sure if he's up to it.
My main anger will be with the men pulling the strings if we don't see a turnaround this January, I spoke to a broken man who said he'd been assured he would be getting players in and that there is money. Want to make it clear that I don't think he's void of criticism, but I want to see what the board do now.
The easy solution is, they sack him, get an interim in and don't spend in January. They can then claim that due to the uncertainty around the coach position they didn't want to spend.
Either way I think it may have gone too far now and the damage is done
Some of the golf courses around that area are top notch - Open standard.
These are meant to be professional footballers yet they seem incapable of playing with any heart. I can take most things but not trying is an act of treason and says feck you to the fans.
As I said yesterday there is something truly smelly going on in the background and we need a complete haul over but with Buddies United running the show I doubt this will happen.
By the way I'd like to add my appreciation to Braziliance for his exce half season managerial report. To stay behind after a shocking performance and question the team was a good thing.
Yes, of course the players gave standard answers as did MA but make no mistake those questions will have made an impact on some that we ain't happy.
Of course some players will not give a feck but this Board of wannabe owners ought to realise that we can protest better than most and if they think a few boos is nothing to worry about then they really don't get it or us.
I also think I'd rather move on a few people like Andy Pandy and Crappleton, not spend any money in this window and let Jason Pearce take over for the remainder of the season.
Either way everything is very depressing.