Macaulay and Coventry is a good start but you'd think we've bought in 5-6 top class players the way some are taking,sure let Dobson and CBT go if we actually replace them just seems like a load of hot air and director mouthpieces wanting to balance the books.
I’d like Dobson to stay but think the increase to £6.5k a week is fair (not convinced we should go higher as he is replaceable - hence Conor Coventry).
I think he’ll struggle to get more than that.
I don’t think it’s the wages it’s the 3 year contract he wants
That’s correct .. his dad said the same it’s not the money he would play for the sane money cause he loves the club it’s the structure of the 3 year deal
I must change pubs I go to, and change my friends, because I never meet or know a friend of a friend, who knows how much players get paid, how much they have been offered in a new contract. Can someone tell me where to go to meet people who will keep me informed. Thank you 🥴
Dobbo is a tricky one. Having the most tackles in the league is a false positive because half the time he's making them because he lost the ball or he's 30 yards out of position to make the tackle. Great when he connects but awful when he misses it.
He's had to play with some right dross for us, so does he deserve to show his merit in a team with better players? Yes. But does he deserve a significant pay rise to do so? Not in my opinion
George Dobson our own runaway player of the year 2 years in a row (last year's winner was a Palace player so he doesn't count) - isn't good enough to keep and expect to play 30+ games a year? Mental....
George Dobson MOST tackles in League 1 three years in a row and this year most dribbles (last time I checked), who plays every week, week in week out whilst all around him flounder and stink the place up... isn't good enough for us?
Building a team around George Dobson properly (he's 26 by the way) and complementing him with the likes of Coventry and other permanent signings would be a very good idea.
Maybe because @DubaiCAFC and @Callumcafc watch on a stream most of the time, they don't see in the actual flesh, at the ground, the amount of work Dobson does and how many players he tries to cover for?
I don't know. We have a lot of problems. Dobson really isn't one of them. He really isn't. Not undroppable and may well end up not our best player, but he has been, continuously, for three years now.
Not this old chestnut again…
@L0rd_M0ntagu3 has it spot on. He flies into tackles and sprays the odd long ball and we love it. Our fans are rarely watching defensive midfielders for their positional awareness and leadership abilities so those deficiencies often goes unnoticed until it all comes to a head like it has in the past couple of months.
If you go back and look at some of the Sunderland comments from the time he left them, a lot said he was a trier but that isn’t good enough for a club that’s aiming higher than League One. They aren’t wrong about the first bit…
People are clinging on to third tier quality players that are not the answer long term and it surprises me I suppose.
Dobson is not the same player that left Sunderland. He has improved a lot in his range of passing, carrying of the ball, possession in tight spaces, ability to receive the ball on the turn, and has even been adding long range shooting to his game this season. He most definitely a lot more than just a trier.
Clinging onto players would be still advocating for someone like Fraser. But, when you’re rebuilding, you don’t have to get rid of every single player from the old squad. Some are good enough to come with you on the next leg of the journey. E.g. Jackson in the Parkinson to Powell transition. Pearce in the Robinson to Bowyer transition.
Need a replacement for CBT and another wide player, had no outlet in the 1st half yesterday.CBT is going to be a big loss without him this season we'd probably be bottom 4.
In 91 apps he got 13 assists according to his stats , and 136 apps with 21 goals that not a player who going to get you promoted … not consistent enough .. you can’t carry a player who may have a brilliant 5 min spell in a game ..
Love how Dobson goes from being our best midfielder to now can't even get in the team,granted Coventry will probably be better than him but I don't see how it demotes Dobson to not even partnering him.
If he’s happy to stay and be back up/alternative to Coventry then by all means I’d love him to stay.
I think some are letting sentiment get in the way of making the right decisions for the health of our football team.
Dobson being our best midfielder wasn’t an indicator of Dobson being a brilliant player, it was an indicator of how god awful our midfield has been for the last 2-3 years.
Personally I think Dobson was exactly the player that needed better around him’ as opposed to whoever else we attached that tag to over the last few years out of desperation. Yes, Dobson has looked good when compared to those around him, but that’s testament to him and his ability, and he’s done it consistently
I don’t know if the club has moved for Coventry as a replacement and if Coventry will be better. For me I would like to see them both playing. If the club has moved because he’s off then so be it, I just find the questioning of Dobson’s ability odd based on what I’ve seen in the three seasons he’s been with us.
I understand your point about sentiment, I think we do it a lot with our youth players, and sometimes as a fan base, I think we’re easily pleased (seeing tweets already about Bakinson being mustard already off the back of one performance - crazy), and how many times do we need to be bitten to stop fans thinking players are the answer straight away (Famewo, Gilbey, Fraser, Hector, the list goes on).
I think we’ve got too many CMs now including the loan players, so we definitely need to let some go, but if you look at Dobson’s competition, I’m picking him over Taylor, McGrandles, Louie Watson and Bakinson all day long
Need a replacement for CBT and another wide player, had no outlet in the 1st half yesterday.CBT is going to be a big loss without him this season we'd probably be bottom 4.
In 91 apps he got 13 assists according to his stats , and 136 apps with 21 goals that not a player who going to get you promoted … not consistent enough .. you can’t carry a player who may have a brilliant 5 min spell in a game ..
Our highest assist maker and second top scorer this season, and therefore after May is our highest contributor to goals.
You keep posting the shit, I'll keep posting the facts 👍🏼
Judging him on his last 6 or 7 performances only,I really wouldn't be too fussed if Dobson went. His distribution hasn't been great. He lunges and misses quite a few tackles these days and he gives the ball away far too often. Controversial I know. Maybe his head has been turned. But he really hasn't been up to his past standard of late.
Why would you only judge him on the last 6 or 7 performances. All players have bad patches but we all know that normally Dobson is one of, if not the, best players at our club.
Not if we play 352 which is what looked strong yesterday. Striker , centre back and couple of wing backs and it’s been a good window. If Dobson and CBT go then just make sure we reinvest whatever we get.
I must change pubs I go to, and change my friends, because I never meet or know a friend of a friend, who knows how much players get paid, how much they have been offered in a new contract. Can someone tell me where to go to meet people who will keep me informed. Thank you 🥴
What with Hector’s injury, 10 weeks out, that takes him into March. Might not see him in a Charlton shirt again. Can’t see him getting another contract for next season.
Need a replacement for CBT and another wide player, had no outlet in the 1st half yesterday.CBT is going to be a big loss without him this season we'd probably be bottom 4.
In 91 apps he got 13 assists according to his stats , and 136 apps with 21 goals that not a player who going to get you promoted … not consistent enough .. you can’t carry a player who may have a brilliant 5 min spell in a game ..
Let's see how we do without him, good start yesterday weren't it ? A brilliant 5 min spell might just of helped us.
I must change pubs I go to, and change my friends, because I never meet or know a friend of a friend, who knows how much players get paid, how much they have been offered in a new contract. Can someone tell me where to go to meet people who will keep me informed. Thank you 🥴
Need a replacement for CBT and another wide player, had no outlet in the 1st half yesterday.CBT is going to be a big loss without him this season we'd probably be bottom 4.
In 91 apps he got 13 assists according to his stats , and 136 apps with 21 goals that not a player who going to get you promoted … not consistent enough .. you can’t carry a player who may have a brilliant 5 min spell in a game ..
Also interesting that he's managed to play both 91 games and 136 games for us, you utter 🤡
George Dobson our own runaway player of the year 2 years in a row (last year's winner was a Palace player so he doesn't count) - isn't good enough to keep and expect to play 30+ games a year? Mental....
George Dobson MOST tackles in League 1 three years in a row and this year most dribbles (last time I checked), who plays every week, week in week out whilst all around him flounder and stink the place up... isn't good enough for us?
Building a team around George Dobson properly (he's 26 by the way) and complementing him with the likes of Coventry and other permanent signings would be a very good idea.
Maybe because @DubaiCAFC and @Callumcafc watch on a stream most of the time, they don't see in the actual flesh, at the ground, the amount of work Dobson does and how many players he tries to cover for?
I don't know. We have a lot of problems. Dobson really isn't one of them. He really isn't. Not undroppable and may well end up not our best player, but he has been, continuously, for three years now.
Not this old chestnut again…
@L0rd_M0ntagu3 has it spot on. He flies into tackles and sprays the odd long ball and we love it. Our fans are rarely watching defensive midfielders for their positional awareness and leadership abilities so those deficiencies often goes unnoticed until it all comes to a head like it has in the past couple of months.
If you go back and look at some of the Sunderland comments from the time he left them, a lot said he was a trier but that isn’t good enough for a club that’s aiming higher than League One. They aren’t wrong about the first bit…
People are clinging on to third tier quality players that are not the answer long term and it surprises me I suppose.
Dobson is not the same player that left Sunderland. He has improved a lot in his range of passing, carrying of the ball, possession in tight spaces, ability to receive the ball on the turn, and has even been adding long range shooting to his game this season. He most definitely a lot more than just a trier.
Clinging onto players would be still advocating for someone like Fraser. But, when you’re rebuilding, you don’t have to get rid of every single player from the old squad. Some are good enough to come with you on the next leg of the journey. E.g. Jackson in the Parkinson to Powell transition. Pearce in the Robinson to Bowyer transition.
If he still had a few years left and the club were actively trying to sell him, I'd agree with you. But that's not the case - his contract is due to run out, he's been made what seems like a reasonable offer (if the figure is accurate) and it's on him to accept or decline.
There's a difference between getting rid and moving on - this is the latter. Like I said, if he does think that another club is going to offer him higher wages/longer contract then he needs to go and find it, but he might be in for a bit of a rude awakening.
Personally I reckon Dobson should stay. With the (what seems like) better quality midfielders around him, he’ll have less pressure on him, and it will probably help him improve as a player.
Need a replacement for CBT and another wide player, had no outlet in the 1st half yesterday.CBT is going to be a big loss without him this season we'd probably be bottom 4.
In 91 apps he got 13 assists according to his stats , and 136 apps with 21 goals that not a player who going to get you promoted … not consistent enough .. you can’t carry a player who may have a brilliant 5 min spell in a game ..
I'm not letting you wind me up, but just pointing out that if he's that poor, which you consistently tell us all, why are Derby County, a side currently pushing for promotion, willing to pay upwards of a reportedly £350k for him? AND why are we holding out for more, afterall he's crap isn't he? Surely we should snap their hands off and get rid? You really are a very very poor judge of a player,and that's being kind to you!
Personally I reckon Dobson should stay. With the (what seems like) better quality midfielders around him, he’ll have less pressure on him, and it will probably help him improve as a player.
i hope dobbo stays and if we went 3 5 2 as we should, maybe dobbo could slot in as 1 of the 3 centre halfs? we will not be better off if he leaves
How annoyed I will be if/when we lose CBT and Dobson will depend where they end up.
When the likes of Swansea & Hull were rumoured to be interested in CBT then I agreed tough to compete but if he ends up at Derby then for me confirms we may have offered increased wage but not the going rate, still unwilling to spend the required amount.
I will clap the current owners when they actually fund a promotion squad, not when they leak they are willing to.
Actions not words, please prove me wrong as I want nothing more then to be completely wrong as literally the only thing I care about in this debate is our team no longer being a joke.
Dobbo is a tricky one. Having the most tackles in the league is a false positive because half the time he's making them because he lost the ball or he's 30 yards out of position to make the tackle. Great when he connects but awful when he misses it.
He's had to play with some right dross for us, so does he deserve to show his merit in a team with better players? Yes. But does he deserve a significant pay rise to do so? Not in my opinion
Or maybe he makes the most tackles because he's very good at it and he's often the only fecking midfielder or forward willing and able to chase down players and put a tackle in.
So many games he's been doing the work of two or more players so yes, sometimes he gets there late but at least he gets there.
I think some people are being too quick to
1. Decide that the new signings are better and/or more reliable (Dobson has a very good injury and suspension record) and
2. Not seeing that having the likes of Backinson and Coventry alongside him makes Dobson a more valuable asset to the team, not necessarily surplus to requirements.
This happens every window. So many were so pleased (not me) to see the back of Morgan as we were bound to get better but we didn't and the player who was "limited" and would "struggle to get a league 2 gig" is doing well in a side not only above us but actually challenging for promotion, unlike his former team.
Macaulay and Coventry is a good start but you'd think we've bought in 5-6 top class players the way some are taking,sure let Dobson and CBT go if we actually replace them just seems like a load of hot air and director mouthpieces wanting to balance the books.
Bakinson yesterday looked an upgrade on any CM performance I've seen this year. Fiorini is a bit of an unknown as he didn't really get any time yesterday to do anything, but to pretend the window *so far* isn't a success is wrong. If I had to trade Dobbo and CBT with <6m on their contracts for Coventry and Gillesphey on permenant deals plus an improvement on loans, I'd take that any day.
Macaulay and Coventry is a good start but you'd think we've bought in 5-6 top class players the way some are taking,sure let Dobson and CBT go if we actually replace them just seems like a load of hot air and director mouthpieces wanting to balance the books.
Bakinson yesterday looked an upgrade on any CM performance I've seen this year. Fiorini is a bit of an unknown as he didn't really get any time yesterday to do anything, but to pretend the window *so far* isn't a success is wrong. If I had to trade Dobbo and CBT with <6m on their contracts for Coventry and Gillesphey on permenant deals plus an improvement on loans, I'd take that any day.
Agree on Bakinson, I found him very impressive. Looked a bit rusty on the ball, reminded me of Pratley, puts himself about, late runs into the box and physical. Most pleasing was that both Bakinson and Coventry actually wanted the ball. For too long we've had midfielders who don't want to get on the ball, pointing to others when the CB's have the ball. And that's not just this year, it's been going on for multiple seasons.
Dobbo is a tricky one. Having the most tackles in the league is a false positive because half the time he's making them because he lost the ball or he's 30 yards out of position to make the tackle. Great when he connects but awful when he misses it.
He's had to play with some right dross for us, so does he deserve to show his merit in a team with better players? Yes. But does he deserve a significant pay rise to do so? Not in my opinion
Or maybe he makes the most tackles because he's very good at it and he's often the only fecking midfielder or forward willing and able to chase down players and put a tackle in.
So many games he's been doing the work of two or more players so yes, sometimes he gets there late but at least he gets there.
I think some people are being too quick to
1. Decide that the new signings are better and/or more reliable (Dobson has a very good injury and suspension record) and
2. Not seeing that having the likes of Backinson and Coventry alongside him makes Dobson a more valuable asset to the team, not necessarily surplus to requirements.
This happens every window. So many were so pleased (not me) to see the back of Morgan as we were bound to get better but we didn't and the player who was "limited" and would "struggle to get a league 2 gig" is doing well in a side not only above us but actually challenging for promotion, unlike his former team.
But that's the things Henners he shouldn't be making the most tackles in the league even if he's the best in the league at it, because as a team we should be dominating possession and not constantly putting Dobson in a position where he has to make that tackle.
A lot of those tackles are sliding tackles too which are usually because the alternative is a player getting past him for pace.
I'm not saying anyone's better than him, but I'm saying I don't see the value in offering him an awful lot more than he's currently on, as that would invariably make him one of, if not the top earner on the squad.
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He's had to play with some right dross for us, so does he deserve to show his merit in a team with better players? Yes. But does he deserve a significant pay rise to do so? Not in my opinion
Clinging onto players would be still advocating for someone like Fraser. But, when you’re rebuilding, you don’t have to get rid of every single player from the old squad. Some are good enough to come with you on the next leg of the journey. E.g. Jackson in the Parkinson to Powell transition. Pearce in the Robinson to Bowyer transition.
I don’t know if the club has moved for Coventry as a replacement and if Coventry will be better. For me I would like to see them both playing. If the club has moved because he’s off then so be it, I just find the questioning of Dobson’s ability odd based on what I’ve seen in the three seasons he’s been with us.
I understand your point about sentiment, I think we do it a lot with our youth players, and sometimes as a fan base, I think we’re easily pleased (seeing tweets already about Bakinson being mustard already off the back of one performance - crazy), and how many times do we need to be bitten to stop fans thinking players are the answer straight away (Famewo, Gilbey, Fraser, Hector, the list goes on).
I think we’ve got too many CMs now including the loan players, so we definitely need to let some go, but if you look at Dobson’s competition, I’m picking him over Taylor, McGrandles, Louie Watson and Bakinson all day long
You keep posting the shit, I'll keep posting the facts 👍🏼
He knows everything.
There's a difference between getting rid and moving on - this is the latter. Like I said, if he does think that another club is going to offer him higher wages/longer contract then he needs to go and find it, but he might be in for a bit of a rude awakening.
With the (what seems like) better quality midfielders around him, he’ll have less pressure on him, and it will probably help him improve as a player.
I don't mind Reading, but we need to be in the mix here. Some real gems at Reading despite their league position
Surely we should snap their hands off and get rid? You really are a very very poor judge of a player,and that's being kind to you!
When the likes of Swansea & Hull were rumoured to be interested in CBT then I agreed tough to compete but if he ends up at Derby then for me confirms we may have offered increased wage but not the going rate, still unwilling to spend the required amount.
I will clap the current owners when they actually fund a promotion squad, not when they leak they are willing to.
Actions not words, please prove me wrong as I want nothing more then to be completely wrong as literally the only thing I care about in this debate is our team no longer being a joke.
So many games he's been doing the work of two or more players so yes, sometimes he gets there late but at least he gets there.
I think some people are being too quick to
1. Decide that the new signings are better and/or more reliable (Dobson has a very good injury and suspension record) and
2. Not seeing that having the likes of Backinson and Coventry alongside him makes Dobson a more valuable asset to the team, not necessarily surplus to requirements.
This happens every window. So many were so pleased (not me) to see the back of Morgan as we were bound to get better but we didn't and the player who was "limited" and would "struggle to get a league 2 gig" is doing well in a side not only above us but actually challenging for promotion, unlike his former team.
Bakinson yesterday looked an upgrade on any CM performance I've seen this year. Fiorini is a bit of an unknown as he didn't really get any time yesterday to do anything, but to pretend the window *so far* isn't a success is wrong. If I had to trade Dobbo and CBT with <6m on their contracts for Coventry and Gillesphey on permenant deals plus an improvement on loans, I'd take that any day.
A lot of those tackles are sliding tackles too which are usually because the alternative is a player getting past him for pace.
I'm not saying anyone's better than him, but I'm saying I don't see the value in offering him an awful lot more than he's currently on, as that would invariably make him one of, if not the top earner on the squad.