Straight swop deal for Terrell Thomas who they were after last season.
Nooooooo. TT was very good yesterday, and is normally pretty steady, especially in his favoured CB role. It does no harm to have a versatile left sided player like him on the bench. Not first choice, but on the bench is fine. Ness is still young and maybe not ready for the level required for a promotion push. Not yet at least.
If you want to bring in another CB it can’t be a bit of a punt, it would need to be someone proven and ready to go.
The big problem with the above is that Thomas isn’t a left sided player.
Some fans think he is because that is where we have forced him to play in the absence of left footed defenders. In reality he is a right footed CB that doesn’t naturally suit LCB.
When Gillesphey plays you’ll see a big difference in balance across the back line with Gillesphey able to distribute and support Edun far better.
If we are going to play 2 up front, then we need 4 strikers, so I'd like to bring 2 in this window, as you need at least 1 on the bench, even with injuries and suspensions. One "headline" perm, but also a loan backup player.
I don't know if Chem can be sent back, but he looks pretty surplus now, and it would free a space.
If we are going to play 2 up front, then we need 4 strikers, so I'd like to bring 2 in this window, as you need at least 1 on the bench, even with injuries and suspensions. One "headline" perm, but also a loan backup player.
I don't know if Chem can be sent back, but he looks pretty surplus now, and it would free a space.
Indeed, I think Kanu is more than good enough for 4th choice - but with Leaburn out and Aneke basically not worth planning around being an option we need 2 more in for that to happen.
Stockton isn't what we need. Yes he's a big lump but I think people are conned into rating him because he usually performs at The Valley. Technically he's nothing special and he's used to being the big fish which he won't be here
He doesn't just perform at the Valley, he was wanted by Bolton and Derby but were both put off by Morecambes high asking price. Probably the best striker in the league in the 21/22 season and if he got his move to Bolton or Derby for 22/23, I think he would have picked up where he left off.
I can't remember a single striker performing as well as him in recent seasons, links the play, great shooting range, no slouch.
As a punt to see if he could do a job, we could do a lot worse. Much better player than Tedic and we gave him a chance.
It's also a bit of myth that he's a big lump. He plays with the ball at his feet and holds it. Links up the play really well, not the type you lump it long to and he will win it like Aneke, but rather you give him the ball and he'll probably keep it or get a shot off.
Stockton isn't what we need. Yes he's a big lump but I think people are conned into rating him because he usually performs at The Valley. Technically he's nothing special and he's used to being the big fish which he won't be here
He doesn't just perform at the Valley, he was wanted by Bolton and Derby but were both put off by Morecambes high asking price. Probably the best striker in the league in the 21/22 season and if he got his move to Bolton or Derby for 22/23, I think he would have picked up where he left off.
I can't remember a single striker performing as well as him in recent seasons, links the play, great shooting range, no slouch.
As a punt to see if he could do a job, we could do a lot worse. Much better player than Tedic and we gave him a chance.
It's also a bit of myth that he's a big lump. He plays with the ball at his feet and holds it. Links up the play really well, not the type you lump it long to and he will win it like Aneke, but rather you give him the ball and he'll probably keep it or get a shot off.
But it’s clear he’s not that player anymore, been crap at burton, he’s 29 years old with no resale value. Unlike May and JCH he has only had one decent season.
There’s a reason the bigger clubs in the division didn’t sign him.
Stockton isn't what we need. Yes he's a big lump but I think people are conned into rating him because he usually performs at The Valley. Technically he's nothing special and he's used to being the big fish which he won't be here
He doesn't just perform at the Valley, he was wanted by Bolton and Derby but were both put off by Morecambes high asking price. Probably the best striker in the league in the 21/22 season and if he got his move to Bolton or Derby for 22/23, I think he would have picked up where he left off.
I can't remember a single striker performing as well as him in recent seasons, links the play, great shooting range, no slouch.
As a punt to see if he could do a job, we could do a lot worse. Much better player than Tedic and we gave him a chance.
It's also a bit of myth that he's a big lump. He plays with the ball at his feet and holds it. Links up the play really well, not the type you lump it long to and he will win it like Aneke, but rather you give him the ball and he'll probably keep it or get a shot off.
But it’s clear he’s not that player anymore, been crap at burton, he’s 29 years old with no resale value. Unlike May and JCH he has only had one decent season.
There’s a reason the bigger clubs in the division didn’t sign him.
He did well for Morecambe back end of the season and then got a move to Burton which was surprising as he had other suitors.
Think he got injured and struggled to break in, a play doesn't just drop off that quickly.
The only reason he didn't move to a bigger club was the asking price, it happens.
I just want us out of this league for now, not bothered about sell on value. I'd say he's definitely worth a short term punt with a view to a bigger move.
It could be a flop but that's the nature of football. It's still a low risk high reward potential signing
Stockton isn't what we need. Yes he's a big lump but I think people are conned into rating him because he usually performs at The Valley. Technically he's nothing special and he's used to being the big fish which he won't be here
He doesn't just perform at the Valley, he was wanted by Bolton and Derby but were both put off by Morecambes high asking price. Probably the best striker in the league in the 21/22 season and if he got his move to Bolton or Derby for 22/23, I think he would have picked up where he left off.
I can't remember a single striker performing as well as him in recent seasons, links the play, great shooting range, no slouch.
As a punt to see if he could do a job, we could do a lot worse. Much better player than Tedic and we gave him a chance.
It's also a bit of myth that he's a big lump. He plays with the ball at his feet and holds it. Links up the play really well, not the type you lump it long to and he will win it like Aneke, but rather you give him the ball and he'll probably keep it or get a shot off.
But it’s clear he’s not that player anymore, been crap at burton, he’s 29 years old with no resale value. Unlike May and JCH he has only had one decent season.
There’s a reason the bigger clubs in the division didn’t sign him.
Has a pretty much the exact same career goal scoring record as Bonne.
He’s an average lower League striker, who has had essentially one outstanding season, it happens.
Judging him on his last 6 or 7 performances only,I really wouldn't be too fussed if Dobson went. His distribution hasn't been great. He lunges and misses quite a few tackles these days and he gives the ball away far too often. Controversial I know. Maybe his head has been turned. But he really hasn't been up to his past standard of late.
Not convinced about Stockton. Hasn't worked for him at Burton at all. I don't want to be left in another Tedic situation of course but I'd be seeing what's possible with Ladapo and Humphreys before looking at Stockton.
Until next Saturday he always scores world beaters against us
Stockton isn't what we need. Yes he's a big lump but I think people are conned into rating him because he usually performs at The Valley. Technically he's nothing special and he's used to being the big fish which he won't be here
He doesn't just perform at the Valley, he was wanted by Bolton and Derby but were both put off by Morecambes high asking price. Probably the best striker in the league in the 21/22 season and if he got his move to Bolton or Derby for 22/23, I think he would have picked up where he left off.
I can't remember a single striker performing as well as him in recent seasons, links the play, great shooting range, no slouch.
As a punt to see if he could do a job, we could do a lot worse. Much better player than Tedic and we gave him a chance.
It's also a bit of myth that he's a big lump. He plays with the ball at his feet and holds it. Links up the play really well, not the type you lump it long to and he will win it like Aneke, but rather you give him the ball and he'll probably keep it or get a shot off.
But it’s clear he’s not that player anymore, been crap at burton, he’s 29 years old with no resale value. Unlike May and JCH he has only had one decent season.
There’s a reason the bigger clubs in the division didn’t sign him.
He did well for Morecambe back end of the season and then got a move to Burton which was surprising as he had other suitors.
Think he got injured and struggled to break in, a play doesn't just drop off that quickly.
The only reason he didn't move to a bigger club was the asking price, it happens.
I just want us out of this league for now, not bothered about sell on value. I'd say he's definitely worth a short term punt with a view to a bigger move.
It could be a flop but that's the nature of football. It's still a low risk high reward potential signing
If that’s the case why not just bring in a loan player till the end of the season? Even less risk with that.
I see what you’re getting at but I don’t think it’s the sort of signing that should be made if we are being ambitious.
Stockton isn't what we need. Yes he's a big lump but I think people are conned into rating him because he usually performs at The Valley. Technically he's nothing special and he's used to being the big fish which he won't be here
He doesn't just perform at the Valley, he was wanted by Bolton and Derby but were both put off by Morecambes high asking price. Probably the best striker in the league in the 21/22 season and if he got his move to Bolton or Derby for 22/23, I think he would have picked up where he left off.
I can't remember a single striker performing as well as him in recent seasons, links the play, great shooting range, no slouch.
As a punt to see if he could do a job, we could do a lot worse. Much better player than Tedic and we gave him a chance.
It's also a bit of myth that he's a big lump. He plays with the ball at his feet and holds it. Links up the play really well, not the type you lump it long to and he will win it like Aneke, but rather you give him the ball and he'll probably keep it or get a shot off.
You really think he’s performed better than Alfie May or Dion Charles? He won’t be cheap considering he only signed in the summer and he’s not scored in the league and isn’t starting. I know we’re desperate for a striker but are we so desperate we want someone who isn’t Burton’s first choice striker and has only had 1 20+ goal season?
Judging him on his last 6 or 7 performances only,I really wouldn't be too fussed if Dobson went. His distribution hasn't been great. He lunges and misses quite a few tackles these days and he gives the ball away far too often. Controversial I know. Maybe his head has been turned. But he really hasn't been up to his past standard of late.
Been saying this for ages .. you saw the diff when Coventry come on his passing was top drawer …. not sure you can play both Dobson and Coventry in a 3 ?
If we are going to play 2 up front, then we need 4 strikers, so I'd like to bring 2 in this window, as you need at least 1 on the bench, even with injuries and suspensions. One "headline" perm, but also a loan backup player.
I don't know if Chem can be sent back, but he looks pretty surplus now, and it would free a space.
Indeed, I think Kanu is more than good enough for 4th choice - but with Leaburn out and Aneke basically not worth planning around being an option we need 2 more in for that to happen.
But what chance does Kanu have to develop if he's sat being fourth choice? He should be playing regularly out on loan
If we are going to play 2 up front, then we need 4 strikers, so I'd like to bring 2 in this window, as you need at least 1 on the bench, even with injuries and suspensions. One "headline" perm, but also a loan backup player.
I don't know if Chem can be sent back, but he looks pretty surplus now, and it would free a space.
Indeed, I think Kanu is more than good enough for 4th choice - but with Leaburn out and Aneke basically not worth planning around being an option we need 2 more in for that to happen.
But what chance does Kanu have to develop if he's sat being fourth choice? He should be playing regularly out on loan
He was but we had to recall him cause we lost all our strikers through injury
Love how Dobson goes from being our best midfielder to now can't even get in the team,granted Coventry will probably be better than him but I don't see how it demotes Dobson to not even partnering him.
If we are going to play 2 up front, then we need 4 strikers, so I'd like to bring 2 in this window, as you need at least 1 on the bench, even with injuries and suspensions. One "headline" perm, but also a loan backup player.
I don't know if Chem can be sent back, but he looks pretty surplus now, and it would free a space.
Indeed, I think Kanu is more than good enough for 4th choice - but with Leaburn out and Aneke basically not worth planning around being an option we need 2 more in for that to happen.
But what chance does Kanu have to develop if he's sat being fourth choice? He should be playing regularly out on loan
I do get your point, but kinda what Ronnie said in as much as we had to recall him when playing a system with 1 up top, so if we move to a 2, I imagine he will get his chance.
If we do go 2 up top, then who else would you want to be our 4th choice? Cant trust it to be Aneke even if you manage his minutes, and no point in wasting a loan spot for that either.
The rejection of Cole Stockton speaks precisely to the expectation of too many. Why do you make stuff up? He is not a one season wonder. In the 3 previous seasons he has in circa 120 starts scored 54 goals.
You don’t get perfection in League 1 or 2 football. There are probably 4 reasons why you wouldnt sign Stockton but 4 reasons you would.
Can he perform in League 1? His statistics suggest he can. Will he provide options we currently we don’t have? Does he genuinely provide the physicality we need? Is he a grown up? Does he offer an aerial threat?
I can’t answer those questions. I don’t know enough about him. Can he do a job for us? In our situation, with our squad I am not sure I would disregard him so readily
Stockton isn't what we need. Yes he's a big lump but I think people are conned into rating him because he usually performs at The Valley. Technically he's nothing special and he's used to being the big fish which he won't be here
He doesn't just perform at the Valley, he was wanted by Bolton and Derby but were both put off by Morecambes high asking price. Probably the best striker in the league in the 21/22 season and if he got his move to Bolton or Derby for 22/23, I think he would have picked up where he left off.
I can't remember a single striker performing as well as him in recent seasons, links the play, great shooting range, no slouch.
As a punt to see if he could do a job, we could do a lot worse. Much better player than Tedic and we gave him a chance.
It's also a bit of myth that he's a big lump. He plays with the ball at his feet and holds it. Links up the play really well, not the type you lump it long to and he will win it like Aneke, but rather you give him the ball and he'll probably keep it or get a shot off.
But it’s clear he’s not that player anymore, been crap at burton, he’s 29 years old with no resale value. Unlike May and JCH he has only had one decent season.
There’s a reason the bigger clubs in the division didn’t sign him.
He did well for Morecambe back end of the season and then got a move to Burton which was surprising as he had other suitors.
Think he got injured and struggled to break in, a play doesn't just drop off that quickly.
The only reason he didn't move to a bigger club was the asking price, it happens.
I just want us out of this league for now, not bothered about sell on value. I'd say he's definitely worth a short term punt with a view to a bigger move.
It could be a flop but that's the nature of football. It's still a low risk high reward potential signing
If that’s the case why not just bring in a loan player till the end of the season? Even less risk with that.
I see what you’re getting at but I don’t think it’s the sort of signing that should be made if we are being ambitious.
Because Burton may be trying to offload and if he performs well it could work in our favour, with a loan from another club they may just be sending them out to improve.
That's fair enough, I understand why you think that, I'm just an admirer of the player and have wanted to see him at Charlton for a few seasons now. On his day a match winner.
Stockton isn't what we need. Yes he's a big lump but I think people are conned into rating him because he usually performs at The Valley. Technically he's nothing special and he's used to being the big fish which he won't be here
He doesn't just perform at the Valley, he was wanted by Bolton and Derby but were both put off by Morecambes high asking price. Probably the best striker in the league in the 21/22 season and if he got his move to Bolton or Derby for 22/23, I think he would have picked up where he left off.
I can't remember a single striker performing as well as him in recent seasons, links the play, great shooting range, no slouch.
As a punt to see if he could do a job, we could do a lot worse. Much better player than Tedic and we gave him a chance.
It's also a bit of myth that he's a big lump. He plays with the ball at his feet and holds it. Links up the play really well, not the type you lump it long to and he will win it like Aneke, but rather you give him the ball and he'll probably keep it or get a shot off.
You really think he’s performed better than Alfie May or Dion Charles? He won’t be cheap considering he only signed in the summer and he’s not scored in the league and isn’t starting. I know we’re desperate for a striker but are we so desperate we want someone who isn’t Burton’s first choice striker and has only had 1 20+ goal season?
I truly believe there hasn't been a better performance by a striker at the Valley in league 1 in recent seasons yes, particularly the first time.
I rate May and Charles above Stockton but they are different types of forwards as well, they'd both suit playing with Stockton.
In regards to him not doing it at Burton, that doesn't bother me as much. Their fans have said he's struggled for a few reasons, Albie wasn't wanted here, goes to Blackburn and now he's turned out well. He has a history of performing in this league, if we can get that version it's a no brainer.
Him almost being 30 is also a benefit imo, we need more experienced heads in the side and the likes of him and JCH would be good mentor's for Kanu who looks promising but has a lot to learn still.
Judging him on his last 6 or 7 performances only,I really wouldn't be too fussed if Dobson went. His distribution hasn't been great. He lunges and misses quite a few tackles these days and he gives the ball away far too often. Controversial I know. Maybe his head has been turned. But he really hasn't been up to his past standard of late.
I’d take Stockton on loan if he’s fit, it gives us an extra body until the end of the season. (We can make it a perm if he does well).
Young is an interesting one, looked good for FGR and then poor for Bradford. Then an excellent loan for Swindon. He’s worth a look at, only 22 as well.
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Some fans think he is because that is where we have forced him to play in the absence of left footed defenders. In reality he is a right footed CB that doesn’t naturally suit LCB.
When Gillesphey plays you’ll see a big difference in balance across the back line with Gillesphey able to distribute and support Edun far better.
And the other 6.
I don't know if Chem can be sent back, but he looks pretty surplus now, and it would free a space.
I can't remember a single striker performing as well as him in recent seasons, links the play, great shooting range, no slouch.
As a punt to see if he could do a job, we could do a lot worse. Much better player than Tedic and we gave him a chance.
It's also a bit of myth that he's a big lump. He plays with the ball at his feet and holds it. Links up the play really well, not the type you lump it long to and he will win it like Aneke, but rather you give him the ball and he'll probably keep it or get a shot off.
Think he got injured and struggled to break in, a play doesn't just drop off that quickly.
The only reason he didn't move to a bigger club was the asking price, it happens.
I just want us out of this league for now, not bothered about sell on value. I'd say he's definitely worth a short term punt with a view to a bigger move.
It could be a flop but that's the nature of football. It's still a low risk high reward potential signing
His distribution hasn't been great. He lunges and misses quite a few tackles these days and he gives the ball away far too often.
Controversial I know. Maybe his head has been turned. But he really hasn't been up to his past standard of late.
If we do go 2 up top, then who else would you want to be our 4th choice? Cant trust it to be Aneke even if you manage his minutes, and no point in wasting a loan spot for that either.
You don’t get perfection in League 1 or 2 football. There are probably 4 reasons why you wouldnt sign Stockton but 4 reasons you would.
Can he perform in League 1? His statistics suggest he can. Will he provide options we currently we don’t have? Does he genuinely provide the physicality we need? Is he a grown up? Does he offer an aerial threat?
I can’t answer those questions. I don’t know enough about him. Can he do a job for us? In our situation, with our squad I am not sure I would disregard him so readily
That's fair enough, I understand why you think that, I'm just an admirer of the player and have wanted to see him at Charlton for a few seasons now. On his day a match winner.
I truly believe there hasn't been a better performance by a striker at the Valley in league 1 in recent seasons yes, particularly the first time.
I rate May and Charles above Stockton but they are different types of forwards as well, they'd both suit playing with Stockton.
In regards to him not doing it at Burton, that doesn't bother me as much. Their fans have said he's struggled for a few reasons, Albie wasn't wanted here, goes to Blackburn and now he's turned out well. He has a history of performing in this league, if we can get that version it's a no brainer.
Him almost being 30 is also a benefit imo, we need more experienced heads in the side and the likes of him and JCH would be good mentor's for Kanu who looks promising but has a lot to learn still.