Coventry would be one hell of a signing and a show of ambition for next season. Like others have said it’s getting that first one over the line which shows other players that we are looking to build.
Luton boss Rob Edwards believes that midfielder Louie Watson’s battle to get into the Charlton Athletic side on a regular basis this term can be a good thing for the youngster’s development
If Dobson leaves then it’s all Bromley Addicks fault.
Simple as that.
Same goes for CBT too.
Na... they will just blame the owners!!
As they should If we were top 6, winning games, with a real chance of promotion and the club made them a good offer, they'd sign.
I wouldn't re-sign for us based on the current footballing prospects at CAFC
They must be crazy though- what with Appleton being the best coach in the world and all that...
Club is a mess.. It is no quick fix! this years of damage.. And if you are not going to allow time, it will never be fixed!
Super hero Varney isn't coming to the rescue.. suck it up, and support! We have little option..
But Charlie said it wasn't hard with better management to reduce the losses to £1.5m - £2m per year and establish ourselves as a top half Championship side.
If it's not hard how comes we're making it look quite difficult being a top half Division 3 side??...
Won't happen over night.. It takes time!
Andy Scott is on the record as saying we have a squad to compete for top 6. He said failure stops now Methven said you only have to be better than previous owners to dramatically cut losses and establish ourselves in the top half of the Championship.
They were completely wrong or they aren't very good at their jobs.
Of course it would take time regardless of the manager etc
Right now though, we are lightyears away.
Scott hasn't got it right, everyone knows and the owners know that as well.. Let's see what happens over the next 2 windows, then make a real judgement!
As I said, it won't happen over night!
We are not looking to scrap the bottom of the barrel now.
The last 2 weeks don't say so.
And if we have to wait another 2 windows I hate to see what state we are in by Summer 2025.
I am voting with my feet. I had a ST all the way through the Duchatelet years (even when some were boycotting) and through ESI & Sandgaard. All I have seen & heard are empty promises. The team has gone backwards since relegation and the only bright spark has been Alfie May and CBT. The former is now being played out of position and the latter likely to be sold because he wont sign a new contract.
I now pick & choose my games and with recent results/performances I am unlikely to go much more this season. To get my back down to the Valley (and then buying a ST) I have to see better players being brought in & then played in their rightful positions. Not players with injury issues who haven't played all season.
This is getting ridiculous! The thread title is January 2024 Transfer rumours, yet we have had pages and pages of discussing AS and how many windows he's had, added to last night's fans forum. Why can't this thread be about rumours and everything else go on another existing thread or start a new one. I log in of a morning see 60 or so unread posts....not one fucking rumour, just people bloody arguing again! Please can we just stick to any rumours, if any, and if not take the other stuff elsewhere...simple surely!
2 threads. 1. Actually summary of rumour (with source referenced) similar to what the BBC produce. No discussion permitted. 2. A related discussion thread that references rumours in thread 1.
I'd love the Coventry deal to get across the line , would be a real statement move to get someone like him on a permanent. Of course it's naturally going to open up the can of worms about him being potentially Dobbos replacement. I'd be more surprised if it didn't facilitate a move out for Scott Fraser.
If Dobson leaves then it’s all Bromley Addicks fault.
Simple as that.
Same goes for CBT too.
Na... they will just blame the owners!!
As they should If we were top 6, winning games, with a real chance of promotion and the club made them a good offer, they'd sign.
I wouldn't re-sign for us based on the current footballing prospects at CAFC
They must be crazy though- what with Appleton being the best coach in the world and all that...
Club is a mess.. It is no quick fix! this years of damage.. And if you are not going to allow time, it will never be fixed!
Super hero Varney isn't coming to the rescue.. suck it up, and support! We have little option..
But Charlie said it wasn't hard with better management to reduce the losses to £1.5m - £2m per year and establish ourselves as a top half Championship side.
If it's not hard how comes we're making it look quite difficult being a top half Division 3 side??...
Won't happen over night.. It takes time!
Andy Scott is on the record as saying we have a squad to compete for top 6. He said failure stops now Methven said you only have to be better than previous owners to dramatically cut losses and establish ourselves in the top half of the Championship.
They were completely wrong or they aren't very good at their jobs.
Of course it would take time regardless of the manager etc
Right now though, we are lightyears away.
Scott hasn't got it right, everyone knows and the owners know that as well.. Let's see what happens over the next 2 windows, then make a real judgement!
As I said, it won't happen over night!
We are not looking to scrap the bottom of the barrel now.
Two more windows On top of the last two he's had some say in, plus this one? FIVE WINDOWS? We are really setting the bar low aren't we
Please stop saying Scott has had two windows already. Please!!!
window 1. He was working for sandgaard under a completely different brief. The owner wanted out and wanted to reduce costs. From sandgaards point of view, last January was a good window.
window 2. What percentage of the window had gone when the new owners took control? How many realistic targets had moved on by that stage?
window 3. This is the first full window Scott has had.
Summary. As this is his first full window and I'll judge him come February.
This is reasonable up to a point. To counter this I will then ask you -
Scott has had since August to identify players to bring in. Over the months it has become obvious that some players are not up to it /injured and so need replacing. When do YOU think these players should be signing - Jan 2nd or Feb 1st ? And do YOU think a player who has not had a single minute of playing time this season is the right player to bring in.
If Dobson leaves then it’s all Bromley Addicks fault.
Simple as that.
Same goes for CBT too.
Na... they will just blame the owners!!
As they should If we were top 6, winning games, with a real chance of promotion and the club made them a good offer, they'd sign.
I wouldn't re-sign for us based on the current footballing prospects at CAFC
They must be crazy though- what with Appleton being the best coach in the world and all that...
Club is a mess.. It is no quick fix! this years of damage.. And if you are not going to allow time, it will never be fixed!
Super hero Varney isn't coming to the rescue.. suck it up, and support! We have little option..
But Charlie said it wasn't hard with better management to reduce the losses to £1.5m - £2m per year and establish ourselves as a top half Championship side.
If it's not hard how comes we're making it look quite difficult being a top half Division 3 side??...
Won't happen over night.. It takes time!
Andy Scott is on the record as saying we have a squad to compete for top 6. He said failure stops now Methven said you only have to be better than previous owners to dramatically cut losses and establish ourselves in the top half of the Championship.
They were completely wrong or they aren't very good at their jobs.
Of course it would take time regardless of the manager etc
Right now though, we are lightyears away.
Scott hasn't got it right, everyone knows and the owners know that as well.. Let's see what happens over the next 2 windows, then make a real judgement!
As I said, it won't happen over night!
We are not looking to scrap the bottom of the barrel now.
Two more windows On top of the last two he's had some say in, plus this one? FIVE WINDOWS? We are really setting the bar low aren't we
They not .. they had two weeks in the summer and this one .. everything else had to be agreed through TS ..
More than 2 weeks
They took over the club on the 21st July
You would be no good if they were your specialist subject on Mastermind. You would be playing serious catch up on the general knowledge round
Anyway.. Coventry deal might be back on.. Shef Wed have refused to match our offer in terms of wages! So we are back in with a sniff, but there our 2 other championship clubs interested, but haven't agreed a fee as of yet. Might have been the player Scott was talking to last night.
This deal is definitely not happening. If somehow Coventry does end up agreeing terms with us, we will lowball the transfer fee (that is yet to be agreed?) so that we can keep up the appearances of going for ambitious targets. Lets judge Rodwell/Scott on who actually ends up joining this window.
Anyway.. Coventry deal might be back on.. Shef Wed have refused to match our offer in terms of wages! So we are back in with a sniff, but there our 2 other championship clubs interested, but haven't agreed a fee as of yet. Might have been the player Scott was talking to last night.
This deal is definitely not happening. If somehow Coventry does end up agreeing terms with us, we will lowball the transfer (that is yet to be agreed?) so that we can keep up the appearances of going for ambitious targets. Lets judge Rodwell/Scott on who actually ends up joining this window.
If Dobson leaves then it’s all Bromley Addicks fault.
Simple as that.
Same goes for CBT too.
Na... they will just blame the owners!!
As they should If we were top 6, winning games, with a real chance of promotion and the club made them a good offer, they'd sign.
I wouldn't re-sign for us based on the current footballing prospects at CAFC
They must be crazy though- what with Appleton being the best coach in the world and all that...
Club is a mess.. It is no quick fix! this years of damage.. And if you are not going to allow time, it will never be fixed!
Super hero Varney isn't coming to the rescue.. suck it up, and support! We have little option..
But Charlie said it wasn't hard with better management to reduce the losses to £1.5m - £2m per year and establish ourselves as a top half Championship side.
If it's not hard how comes we're making it look quite difficult being a top half Division 3 side??...
Won't happen over night.. It takes time!
Andy Scott is on the record as saying we have a squad to compete for top 6. He said failure stops now Methven said you only have to be better than previous owners to dramatically cut losses and establish ourselves in the top half of the Championship.
They were completely wrong or they aren't very good at their jobs.
Of course it would take time regardless of the manager etc
Right now though, we are lightyears away.
Scott hasn't got it right, everyone knows and the owners know that as well.. Let's see what happens over the next 2 windows, then make a real judgement!
As I said, it won't happen over night!
We are not looking to scrap the bottom of the barrel now.
The last 2 weeks don't say so.
And if we have to wait another 2 windows I hate to see what state we are in by Summer 2025.
I am voting with my feet. I had a ST all the way through the Duchatelet years (even when some were boycotting) and through ESI & Sandgaard. All I have seen & heard are empty promises. The team has gone backwards since relegation and the only bright spark has been Alfie May and CBT. The former is now being played out of position and the latter likely to be sold because he wont sign a new contract.
I now pick & choose my games and with recent results/performances I am unlikely to go much more this season. To get my back down to the Valley (and then buying a ST) I have to see better players being brought in & then played in their rightful positions. Not players with injury issues who haven't played all season.
Perfect post for the Disillusioned with Charlton thread. 👍
If Dobson leaves then it’s all Bromley Addicks fault.
Simple as that.
Same goes for CBT too.
Na... they will just blame the owners!!
As they should If we were top 6, winning games, with a real chance of promotion and the club made them a good offer, they'd sign.
I wouldn't re-sign for us based on the current footballing prospects at CAFC
They must be crazy though- what with Appleton being the best coach in the world and all that...
Club is a mess.. It is no quick fix! this years of damage.. And if you are not going to allow time, it will never be fixed!
Super hero Varney isn't coming to the rescue.. suck it up, and support! We have little option..
But Charlie said it wasn't hard with better management to reduce the losses to £1.5m - £2m per year and establish ourselves as a top half Championship side.
If it's not hard how comes we're making it look quite difficult being a top half Division 3 side??...
Won't happen over night.. It takes time!
Andy Scott is on the record as saying we have a squad to compete for top 6. He said failure stops now Methven said you only have to be better than previous owners to dramatically cut losses and establish ourselves in the top half of the Championship.
They were completely wrong or they aren't very good at their jobs.
Of course it would take time regardless of the manager etc
Right now though, we are lightyears away.
Scott hasn't got it right, everyone knows and the owners know that as well.. Let's see what happens over the next 2 windows, then make a real judgement!
As I said, it won't happen over night!
We are not looking to scrap the bottom of the barrel now.
Two more windows On top of the last two he's had some say in, plus this one? FIVE WINDOWS? We are really setting the bar low aren't we
Please stop saying Scott has had two windows already. Please!!!
window 1. He was working for sandgaard under a completely different brief. The owner wanted out and wanted to reduce costs. From sandgaards point of view, last January was a good window.
window 2. What percentage of the window had gone when the new owners took control? How many realistic targets had moved on by that stage?
window 3. This is the first full window Scott has had.
Summary. As this is his first full window and I'll judge him come February.
This is reasonable up to a point. To counter this I will then ask you -
Scott has had since August to identify players to bring in. Over the months it has become obvious that some players are not up to it /injured and so need replacing. When do YOU think these players should be signing - Jan 2nd or Feb 1st ? And do YOU think a player who has not had a single minute of playing time this season is the right player to bring in.
As I said, i will judge in Feb. Purely because I do not know who Scott has had conversations with, when and the outcome. We may have had 10 bids accepted and players have rejected us. We may have had bids accepted, terms agreed and the player has failed a medical. or, we may have done jack s**t.
There are lots of unknowns at this stage
If on the 1st Feb, we have signed 4 18 year olds on loan = failure 4 loans, two perms = undecided 2 loans and 4 perms = probably happy.
I have no clue whether a player with zero minutes is good or bad because sports science is out side of my knowledge. As a punt, bad, but I have no science behind that and will trust the footballing people at Charlton to make the correct decision. Although, i get why trust levels are low.
If Dobson leaves then it’s all Bromley Addicks fault.
Simple as that.
Same goes for CBT too.
Na... they will just blame the owners!!
As they should If we were top 6, winning games, with a real chance of promotion and the club made them a good offer, they'd sign.
I wouldn't re-sign for us based on the current footballing prospects at CAFC
They must be crazy though- what with Appleton being the best coach in the world and all that...
Club is a mess.. It is no quick fix! this years of damage.. And if you are not going to allow time, it will never be fixed!
Super hero Varney isn't coming to the rescue.. suck it up, and support! We have little option..
But Charlie said it wasn't hard with better management to reduce the losses to £1.5m - £2m per year and establish ourselves as a top half Championship side.
If it's not hard how comes we're making it look quite difficult being a top half Division 3 side??...
Won't happen over night.. It takes time!
Andy Scott is on the record as saying we have a squad to compete for top 6. He said failure stops now Methven said you only have to be better than previous owners to dramatically cut losses and establish ourselves in the top half of the Championship.
They were completely wrong or they aren't very good at their jobs.
Of course it would take time regardless of the manager etc
Right now though, we are lightyears away.
Scott hasn't got it right, everyone knows and the owners know that as well.. Let's see what happens over the next 2 windows, then make a real judgement!
As I said, it won't happen over night!
We are not looking to scrap the bottom of the barrel now.
Two more windows On top of the last two he's had some say in, plus this one? FIVE WINDOWS? We are really setting the bar low aren't we
They not .. they had two weeks in the summer and this one .. everything else had to be agreed through TS ..
More than 2 weeks
They took over the club on the 21st July
You would be no good if they were your specialist subject on Mastermind. You would be playing serious catch up on the general knowledge round
To be fair, the 21st July was two weeks before the season started!
And 6 weeks before the transfer window closed - a longer period than this winter one !
(I didn't realise that they completed the takeover well before the transfer window shut - makes a mockery of this season !)
back at you, reasonable to a point.
They may have had 6 weeks in the summer but how many weeks were lost? how many targets had already moved by the time they took control?
I stand by my earlier comment that this is the window where I start judging them.
Noise levels have been good, actions/results are seriously lagging at this stage.
What would you do if a big mortgage broker sounded you out and said that in 6 weeks time they will make you a wonderful offer but cannot anything in writing, progress things for 6 weeks with zero guarantee that things materialise, compared with another good offer which is on the table now and will happen. What offer would you take?
I must admit unless we are sending back Watson/Chem Campbell I'm surprised we're linked with loans. Would have thought as and when Pan is fit (anyone seen a mention of when that could be?) We'll have all 5 loans in the squad.
If Dobson leaves then it’s all Bromley Addicks fault.
Simple as that.
Same goes for CBT too.
Na... they will just blame the owners!!
As they should If we were top 6, winning games, with a real chance of promotion and the club made them a good offer, they'd sign.
I wouldn't re-sign for us based on the current footballing prospects at CAFC
They must be crazy though- what with Appleton being the best coach in the world and all that...
Club is a mess.. It is no quick fix! this years of damage.. And if you are not going to allow time, it will never be fixed!
Super hero Varney isn't coming to the rescue.. suck it up, and support! We have little option..
"Suck it up"
Wow, you really just told other fans who aren't happy to "suck it up"
Unbelievable.
What other options do we have?
Suck it up and try to support the club, and see what happens or don't go and spend your hard earned cash.
Think last night they delivered a message, they know they haven't got it right, they have made mistake, they know it isn't an easy fix, they are trying to correct the wrongs, they have owners who are willing to invest money in the playing side, and non-playing side.
I am frustrated as much as anyone how poor this season has been, how we have left ourselves short, how things don't seem to be going to plan this window.. But need to give them a chance, personally,
I don't we will see the really benefits for another 18months - 2 years in my opinion, it is a project!
It's fairly obvious that the playing side needed an initial cash investment, this still needs to happen. Otherwise what's the point of them buying us.
I must admit unless we are sending back Watson/Chem Campbell I'm surprised we're linked with loans. Would have thought as and when Pan is fit (anyone seen a mention of when that could be?) We'll have all 5 loans in the squad.
Not if we have 4 loan CM’s effectively fighting for 1 spot next to Dobbo. You’d expect 1/2 of them missing from each squad
The true test of our recruitment is who we go for next, if JCH is a no go. If we go back in for someone like Humphry's great but if we end up with a last minute youngster on loan or an out of form player returning from injury who can be picked up a bit cheaper, the signs aren't good.
Surely we have to be looking at longstaff, if we're bidding 500k for a 29 Yr old, there's a better return you would hope on him?
The true test of our recruitment is who we go for next, if JCH is a no go. If we go back in for someone like Humphry's great but if we end up with a last minute youngster on loan or an out of form player returning from injury who can be picked up a bit cheaper, the signs aren't good.
Surely we have to be looking at longstaff, if we're bidding 500k for a 29 Yr old, there's a better return you would hope on him?
Langstaff is more in the Alfie May mould than JCH, we need more of a big lump for Alife to play off
If Dobson leaves then it’s all Bromley Addicks fault.
Simple as that.
Same goes for CBT too.
Na... they will just blame the owners!!
As they should If we were top 6, winning games, with a real chance of promotion and the club made them a good offer, they'd sign.
I wouldn't re-sign for us based on the current footballing prospects at CAFC
They must be crazy though- what with Appleton being the best coach in the world and all that...
Club is a mess.. It is no quick fix! this years of damage.. And if you are not going to allow time, it will never be fixed!
Super hero Varney isn't coming to the rescue.. suck it up, and support! We have little option..
"Suck it up"
Wow, you really just told other fans who aren't happy to "suck it up"
Unbelievable.
What other options do we have?
Suck it up and try to support the club, and see what happens or don't go and spend your hard earned cash.
Think last night they delivered a message, they know they haven't got it right, they have made mistake, they know it isn't an easy fix, they are trying to correct the wrongs, they have owners who are willing to invest money in the playing side, and non-playing side.
I am frustrated as much as anyone how poor this season has been, how we have left ourselves short, how things don't seem to be going to plan this window.. But need to give them a chance, personally,
I don't we will see the really benefits for another 18months - 2 years in my opinion, it is a project!
Hold on.... not going to plan this window??
But but but..... you said on Monday it was going to be a busy week!!!!
Quickest reversal since your last one!
It is football, things are always changing, players change minds more times than hot dinners.. Not everything does go to plan when recruiting players, and that's not only Charlton, that is clubs up and down the country!!
The true test of our recruitment is who we go for next, if JCH is a no go. If we go back in for someone like Humphry's great but if we end up with a last minute youngster on loan or an out of form player returning from injury who can be picked up a bit cheaper, the signs aren't good.
Surely we have to be looking at longstaff, if we're bidding 500k for a 29 Yr old, there's a better return you would hope on him?
Langstaff is more in the Alfie May mould than JCH, we need more of a big lump for Alife to play off
Plus we have Kanu as cover for May, we don’t need another striker in that mould.
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Luton boss Rob Edwards believes that midfielder Louie Watson’s battle to get into the Charlton Athletic side on a regular basis this term can be a good thing for the youngster’s development
Sounds like he not going back
And if we have to wait another 2 windows I hate to see what state we are in by Summer 2025.
I am voting with my feet. I had a ST all the way through the Duchatelet years (even when some were boycotting) and through ESI & Sandgaard. All I have seen & heard are empty promises. The team has gone backwards since relegation and the only bright spark has been Alfie May and CBT. The former is now being played out of position and the latter likely to be sold because he wont sign a new contract.
I now pick & choose my games and with recent results/performances I am unlikely to go much more this season. To get my back down to the Valley (and then buying a ST) I have to see better players being brought in & then played in their rightful positions. Not players with injury issues who haven't played all season.
Scott has had since August to identify players to bring in. Over the months it has become obvious that some players are not up to it /injured and so need replacing. When do YOU think these players should be signing - Jan 2nd or Feb 1st ? And do YOU think a player who has not had a single minute of playing time this season is the right player to bring in.
(I didn't realise that they completed the takeover well before the transfer window shut - makes a mockery of this season !)
Let's judge them on who actually signs.
Not on who we are allegedly linked with.
1. Transfer Rumours - Summer 2024 (for rumours only).
2. Transfer Discussions - Summer 2024 (for general transfer chat and suggestions etc)
You know it makes sense.
There are lots of unknowns at this stage
If on the 1st Feb, we have signed 4 18 year olds on loan = failure
4 loans, two perms = undecided
2 loans and 4 perms = probably happy.
I have no clue whether a player with zero minutes is good or bad because sports science is out side of my knowledge. As a punt, bad, but I have no science behind that and will trust the footballing people at Charlton to make the correct decision. Although, i get why trust levels are low.
They may have had 6 weeks in the summer but how many weeks were lost? how many targets had already moved by the time they took control?
I stand by my earlier comment that this is the window where I start judging them.
Noise levels have been good, actions/results are seriously lagging at this stage.
What would you do if a big mortgage broker sounded you out and said that in 6 weeks time they will make you a wonderful offer but cannot anything in writing, progress things for 6 weeks with zero guarantee that things materialise, compared with another good offer which is on the table now and will happen. What offer would you take?
Sam Walker joins Bradford.