Call me naive on how recruitment should work with currently contracted players…
I think the first step is to identify what style of player we are currently missing that fits the systems(s) the manager wants to play, or what cover weaknesses we have.
You then identify a list of targets for each of those.
You then work through what is feasible, likely and within budget.
You then find out whether the players demands are likely to be alligned to what you’re willing to pay.
You then proceed and speak to the club.
in other words, you don’t dick around, waste time and effort chasing targets when it comes down to the crunch, aren’t prepared to sign for what you are willing to pay.
If (and big if) we don’t get Clarke Harris due to wage demands, then we’ve completely and unnecessarily wasted the last fortnight.
If you are an owner or board of Directors and you buckle to 'fan pressure' (a few tweets) in one of your first transfer windows, then you shouldn't be owners/directors of a football club. I doubt that is the case here, but please stop this nonsense that fan pressure explains some shite recruitment.
I hope the club are talking to other targets rather than waiting for JCH to make his mind up.
if I was mr Scott, talks with other targets would be leaked to the south London press. It would give JCH something to think about, £10k a week now or roll the dice on the summer
£10k a week is what he / his agent wants. We have probably offered nearer £6k.
Which is fair enough.
Didn't Scott say that wage offers were 'insentivised' as in performance bonus related. I wonder if. A player with a significant injuries history has clauses in the contract around availability to play.
How about Michael Smith. Out of favour at Wed. Wouldnt cost too much. Stop gap measure I know but we've got to make SURE we don't go down. Like others, I'd rather see more investment in defence and midfield. If JCH (agent) is being greedy, then F em! Don't think a Billy big bollox (if rumours are true) would do much for morale either.
Does anyone believe this guff about decent players not being signed due to circumstances beyond the clubs's control despite the heroic efforts of Scott and the professional football people?
I am no expert in recruitment but I would imagine the primary objective is to recruit strong candidates not just leak information about how you tried to recruit them, offered big money, but in the end it was all too difficult and anyway we would probably be better off looking elsewhere.
Unfortunately there is no league table for clubs with the best press releases and information management.
Deal isn't off as of yet.. But why should the club pay over the top? Pay him a stupid wage that might upset the rest of the squad?
They are looking to spend money this January and in the summer.. But it isn't that easy to get deals over the line, and that's not only Charlton that is every club up and down the country!
You can get any deal done at anytime, you’ve just gotta come up with the money.
I personally think it’ll be a travesty if we let this one go, we have the opportunity to start next season with the third tiers best two attacking players.
Anything about JCH’s age and “attitude” is nonsense the geeza is a menace and just the sort of player we’ve been crying out for.
The money he wants is miles over the top.. Charlton are offering him a deal to be one of the highest if not the highest paid player.. Not about the money, it's about taking the piss!
We always seem to hear this in transfer windows as if it’s a surprise. It’s been said about fees as well as wages.
It should be expected, JCH is probably in no rush as he can wait a few weeks and see if he gets an even better offer. I expect he’ll also be weighing up waiting until the summer vs the risk of picking up a serious injury.
He might not get what he’s asking for, but in his position why wouldn’t you ask for a huge wage and hope a club is desperate enough to pay it?
All comes down to fan pressure right? I really hope Charlton don't fall in to that trap, of a desperate signing........., Made to may signings over the last few years, because of desperation and pressure.
Sorry, but that is nonsense.
No fan pressure "made" Sandgaard or SE7 Partners make signings; they are supposed to be serious business people in control of budgets.
Of course fans clamour on forums and social media for more and bigger signings but that happens at every club, every window.
SE7 can't even use the excuse TS had of being a nieve yank new to football.
Rodwell, Lengahan, Methven and Scott have all been in football for years.
They know how the transfer market works. Perhaps they just aren't very good at it.
I agree that they shouldn't just pay any price but please don't try to spin it as the fans' fault that they have overpaid for poor players in past.
Disagree - clubs do make some signings on fan pressure, and certainly happened during Sandgaard time as well. Pressure to spend money, and sometimes rushed in to a signing!
And I didn't say SE7 will do that, I just said I hope they don't fall in to that trap... Will Grigg and Sunderland is a very good example, money to spend, need a striker but instead of waiting, the pressure of the fans and expectations of the window.
But the issue is down to the club not having the right recruitment in place in the past.. And unless Scott pulls his finger out, he is in the same boat.
But you are blaming the fans for the owners giving into that pressure when all the power and decision making is in the hands of the club. A minority, and it is a minority, of the fans moaning on forums is just noise or at least it should be.
It is a pathetic excuse.
The Will Grigg signing is a very good example. There were no Sunderland fans in that room making Methven pay £5m for him, that was his decision.
Have you not watched the Netflix documentary? It was the Sunderland owner at the time who forced that move. Not Charlie
Oh poor owners fan pressure maybe there wouldn't be soo much fan pressure if we wasn't getting fobbed off every transfer window and let down every season
Does anyone believe this guff about decent players not being signed due to circumstances beyond the clubs's control despite the heroic efforts of Scott and the professional football people?
I am no expert in recruitment but I would imagine the primary objective is to recruit strong candidates not just leak information about how you tried to recruit them, offered big money, but in the end it was all too difficult and anyway we would probably be better off looking elsewhere.
Unfortunately there is no league table for clubs with the best press releases and information management.
Deal isn't off as of yet.. But why should the club pay over the top? Pay him a stupid wage that might upset the rest of the squad?
They are looking to spend money this January and in the summer.. But it isn't that easy to get deals over the line, and that's not only Charlton that is every club up and down the country!
You can get any deal done at anytime, you’ve just gotta come up with the money.
I personally think it’ll be a travesty if we let this one go, we have the opportunity to start next season with the third tiers best two attacking players.
Anything about JCH’s age and “attitude” is nonsense the geeza is a menace and just the sort of player we’ve been crying out for.
The money he wants is miles over the top.. Charlton are offering him a deal to be one of the highest if not the highest paid player.. Not about the money, it's about taking the piss!
We always seem to hear this in transfer windows as if it’s a surprise. It’s been said about fees as well as wages.
It should be expected, JCH is probably in no rush as he can wait a few weeks and see if he gets an even better offer. I expect he’ll also be weighing up waiting until the summer vs the risk of picking up a serious injury.
He might not get what he’s asking for, but in his position why wouldn’t you ask for a huge wage and hope a club is desperate enough to pay it?
All comes down to fan pressure right? I really hope Charlton don't fall in to that trap, of a desperate signing........., Made to may signings over the last few years, because of desperation and pressure.
Sorry, but that is nonsense.
No fan pressure "made" Sandgaard or SE7 Partners make signings; they are supposed to be serious business people in control of budgets.
Of course fans clamour on forums and social media for more and bigger signings but that happens at every club, every window.
SE7 can't even use the excuse TS had of being a nieve yank new to football.
Rodwell, Lengahan, Methven and Scott have all been in football for years.
They know how the transfer market works. Perhaps they just aren't very good at it.
I agree that they shouldn't just pay any price but please don't try to spin it as the fans' fault that they have overpaid for poor players in past.
Disagree - clubs do make some signings on fan pressure, and certainly happened during Sandgaard time as well. Pressure to spend money, and sometimes rushed in to a signing!
And I didn't say SE7 will do that, I just said I hope they don't fall in to that trap... Will Grigg and Sunderland is a very good example, money to spend, need a striker but instead of waiting, the pressure of the fans and expectations of the window.
But the issue is down to the club not having the right recruitment in place in the past.. And unless Scott pulls his finger out, he is in the same boat.
But you are blaming the fans for the owners giving into that pressure when all the power and decision making is in the hands of the club. A minority, and it is a minority, of the fans moaning on forums is just noise or at least it should be.
It is a pathetic excuse.
The Will Grigg signing is a very good example. There were no Sunderland fans in that room making Methven pay £5m for him, that was his decision.
Have you not watched the Netflix documentary? It was the Sunderland owner at the time who forced that move. Not Charlie
You are correct - it was Donald who paid way over the odds for Grigg - in the scene even his head of recruitment is telling him not to do it, but he goes ahead regardless - Grigg’s subsequent record at Sunderland was utterly woeful
Either way let's just hope they have more targets than one (admittedly) very good player. It wasn't hard to identify Alfie May and it certainly isn't hard to identify one of the best players this league has seen in recent history in JCH.
It seems we have the money, prove it, earn your salaries and identify other players who would do well in this team from this league and below.
If they're feeling pressured good, they should be. 1 win in 10 league games is completely unacceptable for us, especially at this poxy level. They should be spending money, how else will they convince people to keep turning up to watch such a meek side lead by a man hardly any of us fans resonate with?
Agree with this. We haven't seen much to see scouting has improved. I know that takes time but we don't have time, this season is basically a write off but we need to be strong contenders next season. Build a good spine now, I don't want to have a summer where the core of the squad aren't together for most of preseason
Oh poor owners fan pressure maybe there wouldn't be soo much fan pressure if we wasn't getting fobbed off every transfer window and let down every season
Hold on - Lets just clarify. The owners nor SMT have mentioned 'fan pressure', its been said by one poster on here.
If the money JCH wants is "way over the top" then they better move on quickly and get another striker through the door. It's 9th January now. If they keep hanging on until the end of the window, JCH doesn't budge and they're left scrambling for another Tedic-style desperation signing, then there really are no excuses.
Does anyone believe this guff about decent players not being signed due to circumstances beyond the clubs's control despite the heroic efforts of Scott and the professional football people?
I am no expert in recruitment but I would imagine the primary objective is to recruit strong candidates not just leak information about how you tried to recruit them, offered big money, but in the end it was all too difficult and anyway we would probably be better off looking elsewhere.
Unfortunately there is no league table for clubs with the best press releases and information management.
Deal isn't off as of yet.. But why should the club pay over the top? Pay him a stupid wage that might upset the rest of the squad?
They are looking to spend money this January and in the summer.. But it isn't that easy to get deals over the line, and that's not only Charlton that is every club up and down the country!
You can get any deal done at anytime, you’ve just gotta come up with the money.
I personally think it’ll be a travesty if we let this one go, we have the opportunity to start next season with the third tiers best two attacking players.
Anything about JCH’s age and “attitude” is nonsense the geeza is a menace and just the sort of player we’ve been crying out for.
The money he wants is miles over the top.. Charlton are offering him a deal to be one of the highest if not the highest paid player.. Not about the money, it's about taking the piss!
We always seem to hear this in transfer windows as if it’s a surprise. It’s been said about fees as well as wages.
It should be expected, JCH is probably in no rush as he can wait a few weeks and see if he gets an even better offer. I expect he’ll also be weighing up waiting until the summer vs the risk of picking up a serious injury.
He might not get what he’s asking for, but in his position why wouldn’t you ask for a huge wage and hope a club is desperate enough to pay it?
All comes down to fan pressure right? I really hope Charlton don't fall in to that trap, of a desperate signing........., Made to may signings over the last few years, because of desperation and pressure.
Sorry, but that is nonsense.
No fan pressure "made" Sandgaard or SE7 Partners make signings; they are supposed to be serious business people in control of budgets.
Of course fans clamour on forums and social media for more and bigger signings but that happens at every club, every window.
SE7 can't even use the excuse TS had of being a nieve yank new to football.
Rodwell, Lengahan, Methven and Scott have all been in football for years.
They know how the transfer market works. Perhaps they just aren't very good at it.
I agree that they shouldn't just pay any price but please don't try to spin it as the fans' fault that they have overpaid for poor players in past.
Disagree - clubs do make some signings on fan pressure, and certainly happened during Sandgaard time as well. Pressure to spend money, and sometimes rushed in to a signing!
And I didn't say SE7 will do that, I just said I hope they don't fall in to that trap... Will Grigg and Sunderland is a very good example, money to spend, need a striker but instead of waiting, the pressure of the fans and expectations of the window.
But the issue is down to the club not having the right recruitment in place in the past.. And unless Scott pulls his finger out, he is in the same boat.
But you are blaming the fans for the owners giving into that pressure when all the power and decision making is in the hands of the club. A minority, and it is a minority, of the fans moaning on forums is just noise or at least it should be.
It is a pathetic excuse.
The Will Grigg signing is a very good example. There were no Sunderland fans in that room making Methven pay £5m for him, that was his decision.
Fans do put pressure on club owners, and it does lead them to make rash signings and sacking managers as well.... Also the same, when fans put owners to sell a club as well..
Fans do play a huge part in everything positive and negative way, that is a fact!
But you're spinning it as it's the fans fault that poor old owners give into that pressure.
Every parent on here will know about pester pressure from their kids for sweets, toys or whatever but sometimes you have to say no because you can't afford them or they won't be good for them.
To be fair, the current owners have done very well in resisting the fan pressure to build a balanced, talented and fit squad capable of challenging at the top of this division!!!!!
Not blaming the fans.. I said fan pressure has an impact.. You are the one turning it around! Fan pressure has an impact at every single club on the decisions they make.
Bollox As Henry said The current owners have completely ignored our requests to date!
How is it bollox, so you are telling me that club owners don't listen to fans and don't make decision because of fan pressure?
Well I for one certainly don't remember a lot of fans desperately wanting us to sign an unfit kid from Man City reserves on loan. I also appear to have missed the outpourings of jubilation when Scott pulled that signing out of the bag too.
Call me naive on how recruitment should work with currently contracted players…
I think the first step is to identify what style of player we are currently missing that fits the systems(s) the manager wants to play, or what cover weaknesses we have.
You then identify a list of targets for each of those.
You then work through what is feasible, likely and within budget.
You then find out whether the players demands are likely to be alligned to what you’re willing to pay.
You then proceed and speak to the club.
in other words, you don’t dick around, waste time and effort chasing targets when it comes down to the crunch, aren’t prepared to sign for what you are willing to pay.
If (and big if) we don’t get Clarke Harris due to wage demands, then we’ve completely and unnecessarily wasted the last fortnight.
Or if JCH has indicated previously that said figure would work and now is being advised that there is potentially more to extracted from what is likely to be his last big money contract. He may now move the goalposts from his original indication that a deal could be struck.
Does anyone believe this guff about decent players not being signed due to circumstances beyond the clubs's control despite the heroic efforts of Scott and the professional football people?
I am no expert in recruitment but I would imagine the primary objective is to recruit strong candidates not just leak information about how you tried to recruit them, offered big money, but in the end it was all too difficult and anyway we would probably be better off looking elsewhere.
Unfortunately there is no league table for clubs with the best press releases and information management.
Deal isn't off as of yet.. But why should the club pay over the top? Pay him a stupid wage that might upset the rest of the squad?
They are looking to spend money this January and in the summer.. But it isn't that easy to get deals over the line, and that's not only Charlton that is every club up and down the country!
You can get any deal done at anytime, you’ve just gotta come up with the money.
I personally think it’ll be a travesty if we let this one go, we have the opportunity to start next season with the third tiers best two attacking players.
Anything about JCH’s age and “attitude” is nonsense the geeza is a menace and just the sort of player we’ve been crying out for.
The money he wants is miles over the top.. Charlton are offering him a deal to be one of the highest if not the highest paid player.. Not about the money, it's about taking the piss!
We always seem to hear this in transfer windows as if it’s a surprise. It’s been said about fees as well as wages.
It should be expected, JCH is probably in no rush as he can wait a few weeks and see if he gets an even better offer. I expect he’ll also be weighing up waiting until the summer vs the risk of picking up a serious injury.
He might not get what he’s asking for, but in his position why wouldn’t you ask for a huge wage and hope a club is desperate enough to pay it?
All comes down to fan pressure right? I really hope Charlton don't fall in to that trap, of a desperate signing........., Made to may signings over the last few years, because of desperation and pressure.
Sorry, but that is nonsense.
No fan pressure "made" Sandgaard or SE7 Partners make signings; they are supposed to be serious business people in control of budgets.
Of course fans clamour on forums and social media for more and bigger signings but that happens at every club, every window.
SE7 can't even use the excuse TS had of being a nieve yank new to football.
Rodwell, Lengahan, Methven and Scott have all been in football for years.
They know how the transfer market works. Perhaps they just aren't very good at it.
I agree that they shouldn't just pay any price but please don't try to spin it as the fans' fault that they have overpaid for poor players in past.
Disagree - clubs do make some signings on fan pressure, and certainly happened during Sandgaard time as well. Pressure to spend money, and sometimes rushed in to a signing!
And I didn't say SE7 will do that, I just said I hope they don't fall in to that trap... Will Grigg and Sunderland is a very good example, money to spend, need a striker but instead of waiting, the pressure of the fans and expectations of the window.
But the issue is down to the club not having the right recruitment in place in the past.. And unless Scott pulls his finger out, he is in the same boat.
But you are blaming the fans for the owners giving into that pressure when all the power and decision making is in the hands of the club. A minority, and it is a minority, of the fans moaning on forums is just noise or at least it should be.
It is a pathetic excuse.
The Will Grigg signing is a very good example. There were no Sunderland fans in that room making Methven pay £5m for him, that was his decision.
Fans do put pressure on club owners, and it does lead them to make rash signings and sacking managers as well.... Also the same, when fans put owners to sell a club as well..
Fans do play a huge part in everything positive and negative way, that is a fact!
But you're spinning it as it's the fans fault that poor old owners give into that pressure.
Every parent on here will know about pester pressure from their kids for sweets, toys or whatever but sometimes you have to say no because you can't afford them or they won't be good for them.
To be fair, the current owners have done very well in resisting the fan pressure to build a balanced, talented and fit squad capable of challenging at the top of this division!!!!!
Not blaming the fans.. I said fan pressure has an impact.. You are the one turning it around! Fan pressure has an impact at every single club on the decisions they make.
Bollox As Henry said The current owners have completely ignored our requests to date!
How is it bollox, so you are telling me that club owners don't listen to fans and don't make decision because of fan pressure?
So why did our owners/Scott still appoint Appleton when there was far more pressure to not appoint him and go for say, Bowyer, than what there is to sign JCH?
Call me naive on how recruitment should work with currently contracted players…
I think the first step is to identify what style of player we are currently missing that fits the systems(s) the manager wants to play, or what cover weaknesses we have.
You then identify a list of targets for each of those.
You then work through what is feasible, likely and within budget.
You then find out whether the players demands are likely to be alligned to what you’re willing to pay.
You then proceed and speak to the club.
in other words, you don’t dick around, waste time and effort chasing targets when it comes down to the crunch, aren’t prepared to sign for what you are willing to pay.
If (and big if) we don’t get Clarke Harris due to wage demands, then we’ve completely and unnecessarily wasted the last fortnight.
Trouble with the above is we change managers every 8 months, I know a lot of them have been underwhelming but surely it's better to give them a bit more time.
I don’t blame the owners if they can’t get JCH but let’s see who the alternative is. In the summer we apparently wanted Smith or Nombe and got Tedic. I don’t think they’re playing us on this but they’ve had months to get a list sorted. If we end up with a panicked alternative they deserve criticism,
50/50 on this. What if our plan b has 18 months left on his contract, will we be in a better negotiating position in the summer rather than now?
if the vision long term is to rebuild the squad with permanent signings that are right for the club then I'm happy with loans to see us through this season, although this isn't my preferred option and of course, the basis that they are good loans that improve is, not tedic and the Irish dude.
if the vision is loans and hope we strike gold is the plan, then the owners deserve the criticism heading their way.
Depends on the position and how urgent the need is in within the team.
IMO we need to get a decent, experienced, physical striker through the door this window, in order to help us see out the season.
When we dont have that type of player in the line-up we are so much worse as a team. No way we can go rest of season with just Aneke/Kanu expected to play that role.
For other positions, I think we can be more patient given this is pretty much a dead season now.
Does anyone believe this guff about decent players not being signed due to circumstances beyond the clubs's control despite the heroic efforts of Scott and the professional football people?
I am no expert in recruitment but I would imagine the primary objective is to recruit strong candidates not just leak information about how you tried to recruit them, offered big money, but in the end it was all too difficult and anyway we would probably be better off looking elsewhere.
Unfortunately there is no league table for clubs with the best press releases and information management.
Deal isn't off as of yet.. But why should the club pay over the top? Pay him a stupid wage that might upset the rest of the squad?
They are looking to spend money this January and in the summer.. But it isn't that easy to get deals over the line, and that's not only Charlton that is every club up and down the country!
You can get any deal done at anytime, you’ve just gotta come up with the money.
I personally think it’ll be a travesty if we let this one go, we have the opportunity to start next season with the third tiers best two attacking players.
Anything about JCH’s age and “attitude” is nonsense the geeza is a menace and just the sort of player we’ve been crying out for.
The money he wants is miles over the top.. Charlton are offering him a deal to be one of the highest if not the highest paid player.. Not about the money, it's about taking the piss!
We always seem to hear this in transfer windows as if it’s a surprise. It’s been said about fees as well as wages.
It should be expected, JCH is probably in no rush as he can wait a few weeks and see if he gets an even better offer. I expect he’ll also be weighing up waiting until the summer vs the risk of picking up a serious injury.
He might not get what he’s asking for, but in his position why wouldn’t you ask for a huge wage and hope a club is desperate enough to pay it?
All comes down to fan pressure right? I really hope Charlton don't fall in to that trap, of a desperate signing........., Made to may signings over the last few years, because of desperation and pressure.
Sorry, but that is nonsense.
No fan pressure "made" Sandgaard or SE7 Partners make signings; they are supposed to be serious business people in control of budgets.
Of course fans clamour on forums and social media for more and bigger signings but that happens at every club, every window.
SE7 can't even use the excuse TS had of being a nieve yank new to football.
Rodwell, Lengahan, Methven and Scott have all been in football for years.
They know how the transfer market works. Perhaps they just aren't very good at it.
I agree that they shouldn't just pay any price but please don't try to spin it as the fans' fault that they have overpaid for poor players in past.
Disagree - clubs do make some signings on fan pressure, and certainly happened during Sandgaard time as well. Pressure to spend money, and sometimes rushed in to a signing!
And I didn't say SE7 will do that, I just said I hope they don't fall in to that trap... Will Grigg and Sunderland is a very good example, money to spend, need a striker but instead of waiting, the pressure of the fans and expectations of the window.
But the issue is down to the club not having the right recruitment in place in the past.. And unless Scott pulls his finger out, he is in the same boat.
But you are blaming the fans for the owners giving into that pressure when all the power and decision making is in the hands of the club. A minority, and it is a minority, of the fans moaning on forums is just noise or at least it should be.
It is a pathetic excuse.
The Will Grigg signing is a very good example. There were no Sunderland fans in that room making Methven pay £5m for him, that was his decision.
Have you not watched the Netflix documentary? It was the Sunderland owner at the time who forced that move. Not Charlie
You are correct - it was Donald who paid way over the odds for Grigg - in the scene even his head of recruitment is telling him not to do it, but he goes ahead regardless - Grigg’s subsequent record at Sunderland was utterly woeful
I thought it was a decent signing at the time but didn’t work out in the end. They did pay way over the odds but I Donald was pressured into signing a Striker.
It is quite clear to me that if it were not for that jolly greedy rotter who is Clarke-Harris's agent we would be witnessing the most successful transfer window in Charlton's history thanks to our great and glorious leaders.
It's only down to that greedy running dog of capitalism, that one third of the way into the transfer window we have only managed to secure two injury prone midfielders on loan and a centre-back who failed his medical.
(Please tell Mr Methven the propaganda is more subtle in North Korea)
Does anyone believe this guff about decent players not being signed due to circumstances beyond the clubs's control despite the heroic efforts of Scott and the professional football people?
I am no expert in recruitment but I would imagine the primary objective is to recruit strong candidates not just leak information about how you tried to recruit them, offered big money, but in the end it was all too difficult and anyway we would probably be better off looking elsewhere.
Unfortunately there is no league table for clubs with the best press releases and information management.
Deal isn't off as of yet.. But why should the club pay over the top? Pay him a stupid wage that might upset the rest of the squad?
They are looking to spend money this January and in the summer.. But it isn't that easy to get deals over the line, and that's not only Charlton that is every club up and down the country!
You can get any deal done at anytime, you’ve just gotta come up with the money.
I personally think it’ll be a travesty if we let this one go, we have the opportunity to start next season with the third tiers best two attacking players.
Anything about JCH’s age and “attitude” is nonsense the geeza is a menace and just the sort of player we’ve been crying out for.
The money he wants is miles over the top.. Charlton are offering him a deal to be one of the highest if not the highest paid player.. Not about the money, it's about taking the piss!
We always seem to hear this in transfer windows as if it’s a surprise. It’s been said about fees as well as wages.
It should be expected, JCH is probably in no rush as he can wait a few weeks and see if he gets an even better offer. I expect he’ll also be weighing up waiting until the summer vs the risk of picking up a serious injury.
He might not get what he’s asking for, but in his position why wouldn’t you ask for a huge wage and hope a club is desperate enough to pay it?
All comes down to fan pressure right? I really hope Charlton don't fall in to that trap, of a desperate signing........., Made to may signings over the last few years, because of desperation and pressure.
Sorry, but that is nonsense.
No fan pressure "made" Sandgaard or SE7 Partners make signings; they are supposed to be serious business people in control of budgets.
Of course fans clamour on forums and social media for more and bigger signings but that happens at every club, every window.
SE7 can't even use the excuse TS had of being a nieve yank new to football.
Rodwell, Lengahan, Methven and Scott have all been in football for years.
They know how the transfer market works. Perhaps they just aren't very good at it.
I agree that they shouldn't just pay any price but please don't try to spin it as the fans' fault that they have overpaid for poor players in past.
Disagree - clubs do make some signings on fan pressure, and certainly happened during Sandgaard time as well. Pressure to spend money, and sometimes rushed in to a signing!
And I didn't say SE7 will do that, I just said I hope they don't fall in to that trap... Will Grigg and Sunderland is a very good example, money to spend, need a striker but instead of waiting, the pressure of the fans and expectations of the window.
But the issue is down to the club not having the right recruitment in place in the past.. And unless Scott pulls his finger out, he is in the same boat.
But you are blaming the fans for the owners giving into that pressure when all the power and decision making is in the hands of the club. A minority, and it is a minority, of the fans moaning on forums is just noise or at least it should be.
It is a pathetic excuse.
The Will Grigg signing is a very good example. There were no Sunderland fans in that room making Methven pay £5m for him, that was his decision.
Have you not watched the Netflix documentary? It was the Sunderland owner at the time who forced that move. Not Charlie
You are correct - it was Donald who paid way over the odds for Grigg - in the scene even his head of recruitment is telling him not to do it, but he goes ahead regardless - Grigg’s subsequent record at Sunderland was utterly woeful
I thought it was a decent signing at the time but didn’t work out in the end. They did pay way over the odds but I Donald was pressured into signing a Striker.
Disagree - clubs do make some signings on fan pressure, and certainly happened during Sandgaard time as well. Pressure to spend money, and sometimes rushed in to a signing!
And I didn't say SE7 will do that, I just said I hope they don't fall in to that trap... Will Grigg and Sunderland is a very good example, money to spend, need a striker but instead of waiting, the pressure of the fans and expectations of the window.
But the issue is down to the club not having the right recruitment in place in the past.. And unless Scott pulls his finger out, he is in the same boat.
So Charlie boy is your contact? Not sure if you have confirmed in the past. What contact!
The best thing about all of this and missing out on all the names we’ve been associated with, is that we edge ever closer to ‘The Cheltenham 5’ joining on deadline day
Call me naive on how recruitment should work with currently contracted players…
I think the first step is to identify what style of player we are currently missing that fits the systems(s) the manager wants to play, or what cover weaknesses we have.
You then identify a list of targets for each of those.
You then work through what is feasible, likely and within budget.
You then find out whether the players demands are likely to be alligned to what you’re willing to pay.
You then proceed and speak to the club.
in other words, you don’t dick around, waste time and effort chasing targets when it comes down to the crunch, aren’t prepared to sign for what you are willing to pay.
If (and big if) we don’t get Clarke Harris due to wage demands, then we’ve completely and unnecessarily wasted the last fortnight.
And you don't do all those things in the glare of publicity ( leaks an all)Go about the business quietly and announce the deal when done unless of courses you are conducting a deliberate nurgatory exercise to appease people. Fwiw the JCH won't happen in my view..and I am not sure if I want it to
Call me naive on how recruitment should work with currently contracted players…
I think the first step is to identify what style of player we are currently missing that fits the systems(s) the manager wants to play, or what cover weaknesses we have.
You then identify a list of targets for each of those.
You then work through what is feasible, likely and within budget.
You then find out whether the players demands are likely to be alligned to what you’re willing to pay.
You then proceed and speak to the club.
in other words, you don’t dick around, waste time and effort chasing targets when it comes down to the crunch, aren’t prepared to sign for what you are willing to pay.
If (and big if) we don’t get Clarke Harris due to wage demands, then we’ve completely and unnecessarily wasted the last fortnight.
I think that’s largely true but you can’t legislate for a player / agent who keeps moving what he’ll expect in terms of money. If rumours are to be believed it’s his agent that’s pushing for more than what might have been discussed. I’d guess that unless Clarke -Harris has decided his best option is to see out his contract then what we’re seeing is a stalling tactic to see if either they can squeeze more out of the deal or to see if they can attract other interest. We should actively pursue others and and sign them if that’s the way it pans out but leave the JCH offer on the table until we sign someone.
Think JCH is perfect non signing transfer for us the club will string us along with this transfer to deadline and then say we were close but just didn’t get it over the line.
We’re a week in and have got 2 loans no money spent on transfers because they don’t won’t to spend on transfer fees just freebies or loans. Different owner same old shit.
Agreed, the whole thing reminds me of Southall. Agree a fee with a club for a player that we know won’t actually sign for us. Distracts the fans for a bit and when we end the window with just a few loanees you can say “ah well we tried, we thought we had a great permanent signing, but we just couldn’t get it over the line…”
Is that the invading smell of bullshit, wafting into a Charlton transfer window?
1.Two loans so far, who'da fuck knows how they'll turn out? 2. One will he? won't he? "biggie" to torment us till the window slams shut. 3. A host of injuries in the current squad (some key players). 4. A remaining playing squad of younguns and L1 donkeys who can't be arsed. 5. Coach on the ropes, seemingly clueless, but 100% unable to get a tune out of what he has.
I call bullshit Charlton window and await cries of "it's early yet!"
I hope we've got active targets in the background that are maybe being kept quiet. I just don't see the JCH deal working out if his agent is playing games and is wanting unrealistic terms. I don't want to be left with another Tedic situation. Would be interesting if we went back for Kion Etete at Cardiff.
Same with Coventry if he looks like going to Sheffield Wednesday, hopefully Docherty or Bate are advanced talks....
Not convinced we'll end up signing Gillesphey either but I like the idea yesterday of going after Jonathan Panzo , even if it would need some loan juggling to work out I would expect.
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I think the first step is to identify what style of player we are currently missing that fits the systems(s) the manager wants to play, or what cover weaknesses we have.
You then identify a list of targets for each of those.
You then work through what is feasible, likely and within budget.
You then proceed and speak to the club.
in other words, you don’t dick around, waste time and effort chasing targets when it comes down to the crunch, aren’t prepared to sign for what you are willing to pay.
I doubt that is the case here, but please stop this nonsense that fan pressure explains some shite recruitment.
IMO we need to get a decent, experienced, physical striker through the door this window, in order to help us see out the season.
When we dont have that type of player in the line-up we are so much worse as a team. No way we can go rest of season with just Aneke/Kanu expected to play that role.
For other positions, I think we can be more patient given this is pretty much a dead season now.
It's only down to that greedy running dog of capitalism, that one third of the way into the transfer window we have only managed to secure two injury prone midfielders on loan and a centre-back who failed his medical.
(Please tell Mr Methven the propaganda is more subtle in North Korea)
And you don't do all those things in the glare of publicity ( leaks an all)Go about the business quietly and announce the deal when done unless of courses you are conducting a deliberate nurgatory exercise to appease people. Fwiw the JCH won't happen in my view..and I am not sure if I want it to
Is that the invading smell of bullshit, wafting into a Charlton transfer window?
1.Two loans so far, who'da fuck knows how they'll turn out?
2. One will he? won't he? "biggie" to torment us till the window slams shut.
3. A host of injuries in the current squad (some key players).
4. A remaining playing squad of younguns and L1 donkeys who can't be arsed.
5. Coach on the ropes, seemingly clueless, but 100% unable to get a tune out of what he has.
I call bullshit Charlton window and await cries of "it's early yet!"
Same with Coventry if he looks like going to Sheffield Wednesday, hopefully Docherty or Bate are advanced talks....
Not convinced we'll end up signing Gillesphey either but I like the idea yesterday of going after Jonathan Panzo , even if it would need some loan juggling to work out I would expect.