Sounds like Pearce won't be part of the new team - of his own choice
I think perhaps it’s a good bet by him. Nails his colours to the Appleton mast and gets sacked along with him when it eventually happens, which inevitably it will.
Oh yes, I'm not remotely complaining about it. Quite the opposite.
I assume from the Cawley article that Anthony Hayes is no longer there, as it says "Anthony Hayes, who had been assistant first-team manager when Holden was still employed, assisted Pearce for the most recent League One fixture. Stephen (Hendo) is still here and Jason Pearce is still with Michael".
I think we have established that if we are going to get back to being a championship club (somewhere i think most agree is our natural level), we are going to have to do it the hard way - for whatever reason, we are not one of those lucky clubs who have managed to attract a ridiculously wealthy owner who is willing to throw loads at it. The selling point by methven to the funders is probably that under the last 2 ownerships at least, the club has been run by amateurs which has hampered the footballing side. The hope is that now we have Scott and Rodwell pulling the strings, the football side will be helped and the losses required to fund the club reduced at the same time by clever buying and selling - including a profit from our youth products. Now that is the traditional way of running a club and i'm fine with that. The funders will expect to lose a big chunk of what they have what they have promised for 2 years but that that gets them closer to a crack at the money shot - the prem - and the likes of luton have proved it is achievable without massive spending. The opening games clearly didn't back that 'added value by know how approach' up so a change in the 'head coach' has been made - again, fair enough. It's all on Appleton now - if he does well, Scott does well - if he fails, with Scott's players,all of that falls back onto Scott. Will Methven and the funders then replace Scott or will they look to sell? I hope Appleton does well - he could do - i'm somewhere between thinking we now have an experienced coach with a decent squad if all are fit, to thinking we have a shit set of central defenders who lack a real leader and aerial dominance so can't see how we will keep the ball out, regardless of what we do going forwards. I'm also concerned we won't see a lot of camara, which could be pivotal. I'll be getting behind things until it becomes obvious we aren't heading in the wrong direction. We should never settle for league 1 but we also have to give people a fair chance at getting us out of the division. Club's positions in the football league are a lot more transient now - you can move up and down the divisions a lot quicker now - probably due to the short term contracts and rapid turnover in squads - so i don't feel like we are now a league 1 club - i feel like we are a club still trying to get its act together after a succession of bizarre ownerships but we will get there at some point.
Am I remembering wrong.....weren't you the guy that used to post pro-Roland posts at the height of the heat against him?
You seem much more rational now if I have remembered correctly 👍
yes you are remembering wrong
i got stick because i said nothing was happening when airman said a takeover was imninent - i knew nothing was happening but people didn't want to believe it - some prat called me a beard around that time - i was never pro duchatalet - indeed i started posted again under the name doucher as a jibe at him after id stopped posting for a number of years but felt the need to express some views again when the duchatalet merry go round was at its height
If anything Methane is more dangerous than any of the previous encumbants since Roland. He has a plan, shit or bust and it involves the family silver. The other lot were either not very good conmen, or deluded rich men weighed down by ego.
If I were not Charlton to the core, Roland played a blinder. Methane, we shall see.
Definitely. He’s doing all this with someone else’s money. He got gifted a share, which was worthless when he got it , and if he fails, it’s still worthless. The big question is when do the real owners start flexing their muscles.
Sounds like they are out of work as well if they pop in for a 5 hour training session
And I bet it's one of Appleton's former assistants.
So we are pretending the interview process is meaningful and in some way highly credible?
why can’t Scott just say it’s MA choice and we are happy with it?
While every club will work slightly differently, this is the general jist of the Technical Director / Head Coach dynamic... Scott is ultimately responsible for the hiring and firing of coaches, medical and other support staff that are there to help the players perform to the best of their ability. Perhaps in the old days a new manager gets to make those decisions without input from elsewhere but that's not modern football anymore.
It's logical that Appleton's former coaches are in the frame but it also makes sense that the search for an assistant coach shouldn't be treated any different in making sure they're the right fit.
We don't have any of the details of the intricate workings of AS/MA's early relationship but one of the many possible scenarios is that while Appleton worked with Kerslake and O'Donnell at his last two clubs, we have our own highly regarded coach already in Anthony Hayes. My understanding is that O'Donnell in particular was tasked with working with the younger players etc. What separates him / makes him better for Charlton than AH for instance?
Sounds like they are out of work as well if they pop in for a 5 hour training session
And I bet it's one of Appleton's former assistants.
So we are pretending the interview process is meaningful and in some way highly credible?
why can’t Scott just say it’s MA choice and we are happy with it?
While every club will work slightly differently, this is the general jist of the Technical Director / Head Coach dynamic... Scott is ultimately responsible for the hiring and firing of coaches, medical and other support staff that are there to help the players perform to the best of their ability. Perhaps in the old days a new manager gets to make those decisions without input from elsewhere but that's not modern football anymore.
It's logical that Appleton's former coaches are in the frame but it also makes sense that the search for an assistant coach shouldn't be treated any different in making sure they're the right fit.
We don't have any of the details of the intricate workings of AS/MA's early relationship but one of the many possible scenarios is that while Appleton worked with Kerslake and O'Donnell at his last two clubs, we have our own highly regarded coach already in Anthony Hayes. My understanding is that O'Donnell in particular was tasked with working with the younger players etc. What separates him / makes him better for Charlton than AH for instance?
Exactly. Scott is the new baddie in town and whatever he says is going to be ripped apart by out fan base.
nice to read a reasoned and logical post for a change
To be honest, when I first heard was going to be Appleton, I wasn't overly impressed, having listened to 'not top 20' pod, it has given me a bit more confidence. And where we are as a club, and what they want to achieve I think it is a pretty solid appointment.
I just think as a fanbase we need to show a bit more patience (hard I know). It has been a tough start for the ownership so far, and hopefully Andy Scott, can do the business in his technical role.
I haven't been on here much recently, but I was reading about Charlie speaking to someone on LinkedIn and people having a pop at him.. With social media now, people are so easily reachable, and people are happy to engage! But it is no different to what it has been for years and years, only difference is, it is seen in more places such and forums, whatsapps, social media.. There has always been leaks, but you would only hear about it on clubcall, fanzines and local newspapers.
VOTV intel would have always been from leaks and discussions Airman would have had.. So would that have made them people unprofessional then?
For me our season Starts this Saturday, fresh slate for all and time to get behind them, and see if we can turn this season around!
To be honest, when I first heard was going to be Appleton, I wasn't overly impressed, having listened to 'not top 20' pod, it has given me a bit more confidence. And where we are as a club, and what they want to achieve I think it is a pretty solid appointment.
I just think as a fanbase we need to show a bit more patience (hard I know). It has been a tough start for the ownership so far, and hopefully Andy Scott, can do the business in his technical role.
I haven't been on here much recently, but I was reading about Charlie speaking to someone on LinkedIn and people having a pop at him.. With social media now, people are so easily reachable, and people are happy to engage! But it is no different to what it has been for years and years, only difference is, it is seen in more places such and forums, whatsapps, social media.. There has always been leaks, but you would only hear about it on clubcall, fanzines and local newspapers.
VOTV intel would have always been from leaks and discussions Airman would have had.. So would that have made them people unprofessional then?
For me our season Starts this Saturday, fresh slate for all and time to get behind them, and see if we can turn this season around!
Appleton's season starts Saturday. The rest of our owners and SMT started in July. With extensive knowledge since January.
I wish MA well. He hasn't been dealt a full hand so he's going to have work a few miracles.
The season started way before this coming Saturday, and Leneghan, Scott, Rodwell, Warrick and Methven have shaped what has happened so far. What has happened has been mostly dreary depressing crap results.
The season has already got well under way, but the glimmer of hope is that by winning every home game, four of the remaining away games, and drawing the rest of the away games we can recover from when the season really started.
Points won in August have the same mathematical value as points won in April. If Appleton has been given a week to get a win at Stevenage, then the Shamocracy should’ve got their act together by the start of the season seeing as how they have been sniffing around (and threatening court action) since January. Lots of weeks. I understand there has been a call for patience, and realism. I think we the fans have been plenty patient, and can see the reality so we have done our bit, now it is up to the club to win. A win at Stevenage is simply a first step under Appleton, not a first step for the fans or for the Shamocracy, but a win gives us a bit of hope to carry us through to the Wycombe home game.
To be honest, when I first heard was going to be Appleton, I wasn't overly impressed, having listened to 'not top 20' pod, it has given me a bit more confidence. And where we are as a club, and what they want to achieve I think it is a pretty solid appointment.
I just think as a fanbase we need to show a bit more patience (hard I know). It has been a tough start for the ownership so far, and hopefully Andy Scott, can do the business in his technical role.
I haven't been on here much recently, but I was reading about Charlie speaking to someone on LinkedIn and people having a pop at him.. With social media now, people are so easily reachable, and people are happy to engage! But it is no different to what it has been for years and years, only difference is, it is seen in more places such and forums, whatsapps, social media.. There has always been leaks, but you would only hear about it on clubcall, fanzines and local newspapers.
VOTV intel would have always been from leaks and discussions Airman would have had.. So would that have made them people unprofessional then?
For me our season Starts this Saturday, fresh slate for all and time to get behind them, and see if we can turn this season around!
Appleton's season starts Saturday. The rest of our owners and SMT started in July. With extensive knowledge since January.
I wish MA well. He hasn't been dealt a full hand so he's going to have work a few miracles.
I’m not sure how you can say MA hasn’t been dealt a full hand. He’s got a full squad with depth. Holden never had that but Appleton has. For me Appleton has to be in the best 6 league teams from this point onwards as a minimum. If we miss out on the play offs because of our poor start then I won’t blame him but from now on we should be performing at top 6 level or he has not done well enough with this squad
Sounds like they are out of work as well if they pop in for a 5 hour training session
And I bet it's one of Appleton's former assistants.
So we are pretending the interview process is meaningful and in some way highly credible?
why can’t Scott just say it’s MA choice and we are happy with it?
While every club will work slightly differently, this is the general jist of the Technical Director / Head Coach dynamic... Scott is ultimately responsible for the hiring and firing of coaches, medical and other support staff that are there to help the players perform to the best of their ability. Perhaps in the old days a new manager gets to make those decisions without input from elsewhere but that's not modern football anymore.
It's logical that Appleton's former coaches are in the frame but it also makes sense that the search for an assistant coach shouldn't be treated any different in making sure they're the right fit.
We don't have any of the details of the intricate workings of AS/MA's early relationship but one of the many possible scenarios is that while Appleton worked with Kerslake and O'Donnell at his last two clubs, we have our own highly regarded coach already in Anthony Hayes. My understanding is that O'Donnell in particular was tasked with working with the younger players etc. What separates him / makes him better for Charlton than AH for instance?
Exactly. Scott is the new baddie in town and whatever he says is going to be ripped apart by out fan base.
nice to read a reasoned and logical post for a change
The current anger cycle:
"Why isn't x releasing a statement about x! I'm so ANGRY"
To be honest, when I first heard was going to be Appleton, I wasn't overly impressed, having listened to 'not top 20' pod, it has given me a bit more confidence. And where we are as a club, and what they want to achieve I think it is a pretty solid appointment.
I just think as a fanbase we need to show a bit more patience (hard I know). It has been a tough start for the ownership so far, and hopefully Andy Scott, can do the business in his technical role.
I haven't been on here much recently, but I was reading about Charlie speaking to someone on LinkedIn and people having a pop at him.. With social media now, people are so easily reachable, and people are happy to engage! But it is no different to what it has been for years and years, only difference is, it is seen in more places such and forums, whatsapps, social media.. There has always been leaks, but you would only hear about it on clubcall, fanzines and local newspapers.
VOTV intel would have always been from leaks and discussions Airman would have had.. So would that have made them people unprofessional then?
For me our season Starts this Saturday, fresh slate for all and time to get behind them, and see if we can turn this season around!
Appleton's season starts Saturday. The rest of our owners and SMT started in July. With extensive knowledge since January.
I wish MA well. He hasn't been dealt a full hand so he's going to have work a few miracles.
I’m not sure how you can say MA hasn’t been dealt a full hand. He’s got a full squad with depth. Holden never had that but Appleton has. For me Appleton has to be in the best 6 league teams from this point onwards as a minimum. If we miss out on the play offs because of our poor start then I won’t blame him but from now on we should be performing at top 6 level or he has not done well enough with this squad
Camara is out Fraser is out McGrandles is out Aneke is out Taylor, Jones are not match fit Kirk is a waste of money We have a bunch of teenagers filling in
Yet he's supposed to deliver top 6 based on who we are and what the owners have been sold by CM
To be honest, when I first heard was going to be Appleton, I wasn't overly impressed, having listened to 'not top 20' pod, it has given me a bit more confidence. And where we are as a club, and what they want to achieve I think it is a pretty solid appointment.
I just think as a fanbase we need to show a bit more patience (hard I know). It has been a tough start for the ownership so far, and hopefully Andy Scott, can do the business in his technical role.
I haven't been on here much recently, but I was reading about Charlie speaking to someone on LinkedIn and people having a pop at him.. With social media now, people are so easily reachable, and people are happy to engage! But it is no different to what it has been for years and years, only difference is, it is seen in more places such and forums, whatsapps, social media.. There has always been leaks, but you would only hear about it on clubcall, fanzines and local newspapers.
VOTV intel would have always been from leaks and discussions Airman would have had.. So would that have made them people unprofessional then?
For me our season Starts this Saturday, fresh slate for all and time to get behind them, and see if we can turn this season around!
They should be given time, I agree. To the best of my knowledge that around the takeover officially got announced you were of the opinion we should be excited, I can’t remember the exact words. You and others were only passing on what you were hearing from contacts you trust, but for me, I got a sense it was what we call ‘happy ears’ in the sales profession.
This could all still work out, but the immediate months following the takeover have been a disaster. Scratching the surface, it appears as though there is a disconnect between what the major investors have been sold versus the reality and what the 4 members of the SMT are working with day to day. Some of it is not their fault, inheriting the likes of Kirk and Aneke on long contracts and big money, and for me, signing the likes of Tayo, May and Camara were big ticks, I think they’re good players and can help us do well. On the flip side, Holden their man in Jan, was found out, the tail end of the window, although it had activity, that activity is perhaps different to what we need to get out this division, time will tell
You are quite right that what you and others shared is no different to what Airman shared in the analogue years prior to social media through VOTV. I think the difference being, whether or not you like/agree with Airman, he’s built up a 40 year plus reputation based on his work for both the club and a voice of the fans, is trustworthy, with the club’s best interests at heart, and has a working knowledge of Charlton Athletic and what it would take to run the club properly. It’s not that you, or any of the others who shared info in the run up to the takeover, or your contacts are untrustworthy, but speaking candidly, the faces of our most recent takeover, could be considered untrustworthy.
It’s done now, and yours and Michael Appleton’s season starts Saturday, but for the rest of us, the season began after the takeover. The grace period should still apply, happy to eat humble pie if we end up having a competitive season, and we should get behind Appleton, but the fans, quite rightly are watching very closely
To be honest, when I first heard was going to be Appleton, I wasn't overly impressed, having listened to 'not top 20' pod, it has given me a bit more confidence. And where we are as a club, and what they want to achieve I think it is a pretty solid appointment.
I just think as a fanbase we need to show a bit more patience (hard I know). It has been a tough start for the ownership so far, and hopefully Andy Scott, can do the business in his technical role.
I haven't been on here much recently, but I was reading about Charlie speaking to someone on LinkedIn and people having a pop at him.. With social media now, people are so easily reachable, and people are happy to engage! But it is no different to what it has been for years and years, only difference is, it is seen in more places such and forums, whatsapps, social media.. There has always been leaks, but you would only hear about it on clubcall, fanzines and local newspapers.
VOTV intel would have always been from leaks and discussions Airman would have had.. So would that have made them people unprofessional then?
For me our season Starts this Saturday, fresh slate for all and time to get behind them, and see if we can turn this season around!
They should be given time, I agree. To the best of my knowledge that around the takeover officially got announced you were of the opinion we should be excited, I can’t remember the exact words. You and others were only passing on what you were hearing from contacts you trust, but for me, I got a sense it was what we call ‘happy ears’ in the sales profession.
This could all still work out, but the immediate months following the takeover have been a disaster. Scratching the surface, it appears as though there is a disconnect between what the major investors have been sold versus the reality and what the 4 members of the SMT are working with day to day. Some of it is not their fault, inheriting the likes of Kirk and Aneke on long contracts and big money, and for me, signing the likes of Tayo, May and Camara were big ticks, I think they’re good players and can help us do well. On the flip side, Holden their man in Jan, was found out, the tail end of the window, although it had activity, that activity is perhaps different to what we need to get out this division, time will tell
You are quite right that what you and others shared is no different to what Airman shared in the analogue years prior to social media through VOTV. I think the difference being, whether or not you like/agree with Airman, he’s built up a 40 year plus reputation based on his work for both the club and a voice of the fans, is trustworthy, with the club’s best interests at heart, and has a working knowledge of Charlton Athletic and what it would take to run the club properly. It’s not that you, or any of the others who shared info in the run up to the takeover, or your contacts are untrustworthy, but speaking candidly, the faces of our most recent takeover, could be considered untrustworthy.
It’s done now, and yours and Michael Appleton’s season starts Saturday, but for the rest of us, the season began after the takeover. The grace period should still apply, happy to eat humble pie if we end up having a competitive season, and we should get behind Appleton, but the fans, quite rightly are watching very closely
I agree with you, and to be honest, I am still confident this ownership will be good for Charlton, and that isn't just a line from them, that is my personal opinion. What is the saying 'Rome wasn't built in a day' Most new ownerships take a bit of time to bed in, City didn't get instant success, Chelsea neither.. Suppose Newcastle is a bit of a success story, without winning anything.
I respect Rick, and as you said he worked hard to build his reputation, my point was being, leaks have always happened, and people build different relationships.! Things are just more accessible now.
The reason I say the season starts now, the squad looks more balanced now, and having Leaburn back is huge!!
Miles Leaburn is a decent young prospect - but Erling Haaland aged 20 he is not.
And your point being?
You say that having him back is huge - like we would be top 6 if he'd been around. I simply say he's a decent young prospect and I don't think he's the difference between the new ownership being successful or not.
Miles Leaburn is a decent young prospect - but Erling Haaland aged 20 he is not.
And your point being?
You say that having him back is huge - like we would be top 6 if he'd been around. I simply say he's a decent young prospect and I don't think he's the difference between the new ownership being successful or not.
it is huge (for us) in the context we are Charlton and not Man City
Miles Leaburn is a decent young prospect - but Erling Haaland aged 20 he is not.
And your point being?
You say that having him back is huge - like we would be top 6 if he'd been around. I simply say he's a decent young prospect and I don't think he's the difference between the new ownership being successful or not.
I think we probably would be top 6 if he'd not got injured?
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Reminds me when all of our players were definitely going to Wimbledon.
"Anthony Hayes, who had been assistant first-team manager when Holden was still employed, assisted Pearce for the most recent League One fixture. Stephen (Hendo) is still here and Jason Pearce is still with Michael".
F
Sounds odd to me.
why can’t Scott just say it’s MA choice and we are happy with it?
While every club will work slightly differently, this is the general jist of the Technical Director / Head Coach dynamic... Scott is ultimately responsible for the hiring and firing of coaches, medical and other support staff that are there to help the players perform to the best of their ability. Perhaps in the old days a new manager gets to make those decisions without input from elsewhere but that's not modern football anymore.
It's logical that Appleton's former coaches are in the frame but it also makes sense that the search for an assistant coach shouldn't be treated any different in making sure they're the right fit.
We don't have any of the details of the intricate workings of AS/MA's early relationship but one of the many possible scenarios is that while Appleton worked with Kerslake and O'Donnell at his last two clubs, we have our own highly regarded coach already in Anthony Hayes. My understanding is that O'Donnell in particular was tasked with working with the younger players etc. What separates him / makes him better for Charlton than AH for instance?
nice to read a reasoned and logical post for a change
I just think as a fanbase we need to show a bit more patience (hard I know). It has been a tough start for the ownership so far, and hopefully Andy Scott, can do the business in his technical role.
I haven't been on here much recently, but I was reading about Charlie speaking to someone on LinkedIn and people having a pop at him.. With social media now, people are so easily reachable, and people are happy to engage! But it is no different to what it has been for years and years, only difference is, it is seen in more places such and forums, whatsapps, social media.. There has always been leaks, but you would only hear about it on clubcall, fanzines and local newspapers.
VOTV intel would have always been from leaks and discussions Airman would have had.. So would that have made them people unprofessional then?
For me our season Starts this Saturday, fresh slate for all and time to get behind them, and see if we can turn this season around!
I wish MA well. He hasn't been dealt a full hand so he's going to have work a few miracles.
What has happened has been mostly dreary depressing crap results.
If Appleton has been given a week to get a win at Stevenage, then the Shamocracy should’ve got their act together by the start of the season seeing as how they have been sniffing around (and threatening court action) since January. Lots of weeks.
I understand there has been a call for patience, and realism. I think we the fans have been plenty patient, and can see the reality so we have done our bit, now it is up to the club to win.
A win at Stevenage is simply a first step under Appleton, not a first step for the fans or for the Shamocracy, but a win gives us a bit of hope to carry us through to the Wycombe home game.
The current anger cycle:
"Why isn't x releasing a statement about x! I'm so ANGRY"
*statement*
"I dont believe anything they say. I'm so ANGRY"
Fraser is out
McGrandles is out
Aneke is out
Taylor, Jones are not match fit
Kirk is a waste of money
We have a bunch of teenagers filling in
Yet he's supposed to deliver top 6 based on who we are and what the owners have been sold by CM
I don't think he's been dealt a full hand
You are quite right that what you and others shared is no different to what Airman shared in the analogue years prior to social media through VOTV. I think the difference being, whether or not you like/agree with Airman, he’s built up a 40 year plus reputation based on his work for both the club and a voice of the fans, is trustworthy, with the club’s best interests at heart, and has a working knowledge of Charlton Athletic and what it would take to run the club properly. It’s not that you, or any of the others who shared info in the run up to the takeover, or your contacts are untrustworthy, but speaking candidly, the faces of our most recent takeover, could be considered untrustworthy.
I respect Rick, and as you said he worked hard to build his reputation, my point was being, leaks have always happened, and people build different relationships.! Things are just more accessible now.
The reason I say the season starts now, the squad looks more balanced now, and having Leaburn back is huge!!