I couldn't agree more, but how many low points are we going to have. As SHG mentions above, the new manager needs to go back to basics and start rebuilding the club from the bottom up.
Whoever the new manager is I hope he's a proper no nonsense hard bustard. Some of our players are just going through the motions and not giving anywhere near 100%.
We need a Bowyer type manager who will come in and kick arse.
I don't think the softly softly approach will get us anywhere with this lot. Some of our so called experienced players are setting a poor example to the youngsters who are being thrown in too soon.
A proper sergeant major type manager please.
There is a big chance you will get your wish.
Hmmmm, if that is the case we are looking to appoint somebody who has not been mentioned. Nigel Pearson anyone?
Whoever the new manager is I hope he's a proper no nonsense hard bustard. Some of our players are just going through the motions and not giving anywhere near 100%.
We need a Bowyer type manager who will come in and kick arse.
I don't think the softly softly approach will get us anywhere with this lot. Some of our so called experienced players are setting a poor example to the youngsters who are being thrown in too soon.
A proper sergeant major type manager please.
There is a big chance you will get your wish.
Hmmmm, if that is the case we are looking to appoint somebody who has not been mentioned. Nigel Pearson anyone?
What these players need isn't confidence, it's fear and abuse!
It's discipline. Too many of the senior players like Hector for instance are just going through the motions. Nowhere near giving 100%.
A bit of discipline on the training ground and telling some of the players a few home truths is not the same as fear and abuse.
To do that you need a manager that the players respect though. Also a decent Assistant manager so they can play good cop/bad cop if needs be.
That was basically the Curbs, Keith Peacock roles. When you listen to Steve Brown and Curbs talking together now, even though Brownie thought he was unfairly dropped at times (he was), and copped fines for being stuck in traffic and late for training, you still get the impression that Curbs commanded complete respect, and was strong on the disciplinary aspect of management. Nothing to do with fear and abuse, it's about being disciplined and playing with a discipline.
Promotion is pure fantasy for this season at the moment. Whoever comes in as manager has to change the culture and attitude of players, build a decent fitness plan for each player, get that group to play well together, develop a playing strategy that fits the players available, work on player confidence (some will need a kick up the backside / others an encouraging word) etc. All this and more whilst managing a schedule of league games. It feels like we haven't even had a pre season.
Saturdays match against fleetwood we knew all about stockley when he played for us he had 2 centre backs marking him 1 in front and 1 behind whenever the ball came to him he was in a wrestling match with the centre backs.
Against us Saturday Anderson was picking him up for the goal and Dobson was marking him at corners.
Where are our centre backs and what are they doing has Pearce said to them what ever you do don’t mark stockley.
I doubt it so what is happening who’s fault players or management. There professional footballers and they defend like school boys
The reason there is no discipline at the club and hasn't been for 3 years is because the players know the manager isn't actually in charge of anything.
If he upsets them they can just down tools and wait for them to be sacked.
That's the root of it and has been the case since the international break before we played Gillingham away under Bowyer.
Andy Scott has hardly proven himself in two transfer windows to date.
Whether that's the restrictions he's working under or all his own doing doesn't matter - that's what the new Head Coach will find himself working under.
This is looking more and more like a shit sandwich.
What's our path of scapegoating been over the years? I've noticed when things are going well it tends to be the assistant manager because we like the manager. So in my time supporting it's been Mervyn Day > Dowie > Reed > Pardew > Murray > Alex Dyer > Jimenez > Katrien > Roland > Southall > Farnell > Ged Roddy > Bowyer > Adkins > Thomas Sandgaard > Martin Sandgaard > Thomas Sandgaard again > Gallen a bit > back to Thomas Sandgaard > Methven > Andy Scott. Phew! Driesen just misses out by being too rubbish to even get onto a list of useless pricks.
What's our path of scapegoating been over the years? I've noticed when things are going well it tends to be the assistant manager because we like the manager. So in my time supporting it's been Mervyn Day > Dowie > Reed > Pardew > Murray > Alex Dyer > Jimenez > Katrien > Roland > Southall > Farnell > Ged Roddy > Bowyer > Adkins > Thomas Sandgaard > Martin Sandgaard > Thomas Sandgaard again > Gallen a bit > back to Thomas Sandgaard > Methven > Andy Scott. Phew! Driesen just misses out by being too rubbish to even get onto a list of useless pricks.
Andy Scott has hardly proven himself in two transfer windows to date.
Whether that's the restrictions he's working under or all his own doing doesn't matter - that's what the new Head Coach will find himself working under.
This is looking more and more like a shit sandwich.
Why did he not buy the club then and show us how it’s done .. instead for the second time run away
Can't believe I'm feeding the troll, with the following based on what (from memory) has been previously posted
A) varney has never been directly involved with an parties interested in buying the club, purely introduced them I think it was airman that said that the parties wanted all assets and couldn't get in front of people selling the assets C) Varneys tweet isn't wrong
I will never understand how an interview is going to help you find the right manager. It just makes the people doing the interviews feel important. Different skills are required to do a good interview and be a good football manager.
Personally I’d invite the final 11 shortlist all down at the same time:
Appleton, Cowley, Bowyer, Big Ron, Mick Harford, Millwall Mick McCarthy, Hoddle, Paul Jewell, Chris Houghton, Frank Lampard and Bobby Gould.
Get em in a big room, hire one of those kids gaming party companies and set up a PlayStation console each. All start the season as Charlton on Football Manager, same squad, same budget and off you go. First one to win the Premier League gets the job.
Couple of the wrinkles might need an intern to do the controller for them, but got to be better than a panel competency based interview.
Saturdays match against fleetwood we knew all about stockley when he played for us he had 2 centre backs marking him 1 in front and 1 behind whenever the ball came to him he was in a wrestling match with the centre backs.
Against us Saturday Anderson was picking him up for the goal and Dobson was marking him at corners.
Where are our centre backs and what are they doing has Pearce said to them what ever you do don’t mark stockley.
I doubt it so what is happening who’s fault players or management. They’re professional footballers and they defend like school boys
And a feeble effort to stop the cross in the first place, when the winger should have been double marked.
Managers can’t perform magic, although some people seem to think they can. They’re not David Copperfield or Harry Potter. They can’t work miracles or sprinkle some magical dust to make players know how to play football.
Spending hours on analysis isn’t very useful. It doesn’t put you in better conditions to win the game. The tactics, the schemes, they’re all bull***t. Of course tactics matter, but players win the game. For 45 minutes at a time, players make their own decisions. Football is a continuous sport in which the coach has barely any influence, less than in any other sport.
Success depends on having top players and top players cost money. It’s impossible to achieve results without spending a lot of money. Where you finish in the league depends on the money you’ve spent. It’s a statistical fact. Clubs can change coaches but if the players are the same, results stay the same.
I will never understand how an interview is going to help you find the right manager. It just makes the people doing the interviews feel important. Different skills are required to do a good interview and be a good football manager.
Personally I’d invite the final 11 shortlist all down at the same time:
Appleton, Cowley, Bowyer, Big Ron, Mick Harford, Millwall Mick McCarthy, Hoddle, Paul Jewell, Chris Houghton, Frank Lampard and Bobby Gould.
Get em in a big room, hire one of those kids gaming party companies and set up a PlayStation console each. All start the season as Charlton on Football Manager, same squad, same budget and off you go. First one to win the Premier League gets the job.
Couple of the wrinkles might need an intern to do the controller for them, but got to be better than a panel competency based interview.
Throw in John Sitton too. According to Wikipedia we turned him down for a youth coach position based on how he was perceived following this documentary.
https://youtu.be/XVj45yN72uU?si=5-WZVLBalmsTtiQj
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Nigel Pearson anyone?
Fan: I want a dragon!
Genie: Not possible.
Fan: Ok, I want Charlton to be the best football team in the world!
Genie: What colour dragon would you like?
When you listen to Steve Brown and Curbs talking together now, even though Brownie thought he was unfairly dropped at times (he was), and copped fines for being stuck in traffic and late for training, you still get the impression that Curbs commanded complete respect, and was strong on the disciplinary aspect of management.
Nothing to do with fear and abuse, it's about being disciplined and playing with a discipline.
If he upsets them they can just down tools and wait for them to be sacked.
That's the root of it and has been the case since the international break before we played Gillingham away under Bowyer.
One. He isn't rich enough.
Two. The people he represented were only interested in buying the club if they could buy the Valley as well.
As Roland is holding out for an unreasonable amount for the Valley, nothing materialised.
If we went down you would paint a rosy picture.
But, hang on, you only post for a reaction.
Experienced with a proven track record of success at this level or higher
Tactically asute
Able to motivate players
Strict with players
Able to win games
Organise a defense
Willing to work under a director of football
Accepts that it's a three window project so we won't get promoted this season.
Happy to see young players sold to cut costs.
Can't see a problem myself
C) Varneys tweet isn't wrong
apart from that, I think you are spot on 😂
Appleton, Cowley, Bowyer, Big Ron, Mick Harford, Millwall Mick McCarthy, Hoddle, Paul Jewell, Chris Houghton, Frank Lampard and Bobby Gould.
Get em in a big room, hire one of those kids gaming party companies and set up a PlayStation console each. All start the season as Charlton on Football Manager, same squad, same budget and off you go. First one to win the Premier League gets the job.
Managers can’t perform magic, although some people seem to think they can. They’re not David Copperfield or Harry Potter. They can’t work miracles or sprinkle some magical dust to make players know how to play football.
Spending hours on analysis isn’t very useful. It doesn’t put you in better conditions to win the game. The tactics, the schemes, they’re all bull***t. Of course tactics matter, but players win the game. For 45 minutes at a time, players make their own decisions. Football is a continuous sport in which the coach has barely any influence, less than in any other sport.
Success depends on having top players and top players cost money. It’s impossible to achieve results without spending a lot of money. Where you finish in the league depends on the money you’ve spent. It’s a statistical fact. Clubs can change coaches but if the players are the same, results stay the same.
Throw in John Sitton too. According to Wikipedia we turned him down for a youth coach position based on how he was perceived following this documentary.