The squad needs work but no way it is worse than Port Vale and Bristol Rovers, we should be winning these easily.
Match thread littered with comments a out now bad Port Vale were, and every comment correct. They were awful and we didn't seem to have any game plan other than to give it to CBT and hope for the best
The squad needs work but no way it is worse than Port Vale and Bristol Rovers, we should be winning these easily.
Match thread littered with comments an out now bad Port Vale were, and every comment correct. They were awful and we didn't seem to have any game plan other than to give it to CBT and hope for the best
They weren’t awful they played to their strengths can’t blame teams like PV for doing that
talk of Rowett taking over ? .. he's had a few very good years at Millwall, so far this season, not so much .. If, and it's a big IF he's sacked, and so is Holden at the same time, would Rowett be welcomed by our fans ? .. ex Millwall and appointed after being sacked by our biggest protagonists (polite word) ?
He would be metaphorically crucified if he failed to make a major difference at once, and think of the abuse we'd get from the Toolbox Fans .. a very decent manager, but a very risky proposition for CAFC i m o .. wise after the event, we should have appointed him way back when .. Bowyer coming back might be the thing .. he would certainly sort out the chaff still hanging round the squad and is still, (again) i m o a Charlton Legend .. we must be aware of appointing another Garner type, all mouth and snow white T shirt with no affiliation nor interest in the club other than as a 'professional manager' moving up the leagues
Nice bloke. Can’t be blamed for individual mistakes or injuries but has shown no tactical nous since he joined us. Still don’t know what his preferred formation is.
talk of Rowett taking over ? .. he's had a few very good years at Millwall, so far this season, not so much .. If, and it's a big IF he's sacked, and so is Holden at the same time, would Rowett be welcomed by our fans ? .. ex Millwall and appointed after being sacked by our biggest protagonists (polite word) ?
He would be metaphorically crucified if he failed to make a major difference at once, and think of the abuse we'd get from the Toolbox Fans .. a very decent manager, but a very risky proposition for CAFC i m o .. wise after the event, we should have appointed him way back when .. Bowyer coming back might be the thing .. he would certainly sort out the chaff still hanging round the squad and is still, (again) i m o a Charlton Legend .. we must be aware of appointing another Garner type, all mouth and snow white T shirt with no affiliation nor interest in the club other than as a 'professional manager' moving up the leagues
Rowett wouldn’t come to Charlton even if he were sacked by Millwall. I really don’t think we would be a particularly attractive proposition to any but the most desperate or deluded managers.
talk of Rowett taking over ? .. he's had a few very good years at Millwall, so far this season, not so much .. If, and it's a big IF he's sacked, and so is Holden at the same time, would Rowett be welcomed by our fans ? .. ex Millwall and appointed after being sacked by our biggest protagonists (polite word) ?
He would be metaphorically crucified if he failed to make a major difference at once, and think of the abuse we'd get from the Toolbox Fans .. a very decent manager, but a very risky proposition for CAFC i m o .. wise after the event, we should have appointed him way back when .. Bowyer coming back might be the thing .. he would certainly sort out the chaff still hanging round the squad and is still, (again) i m o a Charlton Legend .. we must be aware of appointing another Garner type, all mouth and snow white T shirt with no affiliation nor interest in the club other than as a 'professional manager' moving up the leagues
I really don’t think we would be a particularly attractive proposition to any but the most desperate or deluded players.
talk of Rowett taking over ? .. he's had a few very good years at Millwall, so far this season, not so much .. If, and it's a big IF he's sacked, and so is Holden at the same time, would Rowett be welcomed by our fans ? .. ex Millwall and appointed after being sacked by our biggest protagonists (polite word) ?
He would be metaphorically crucified if he failed to make a major difference at once, and think of the abuse we'd get from the Toolbox Fans .. a very decent manager, but a very risky proposition for CAFC i m o .. wise after the event, we should have appointed him way back when .. Bowyer coming back might be the thing .. he would certainly sort out the chaff still hanging round the squad and is still, (again) i m o a Charlton Legend .. we must be aware of appointing another Garner type, all mouth and snow white T shirt with no affiliation nor interest in the club other than as a 'professional manager' moving up the leagues
I really don’t think we would be a particularly attractive proposition to any but the most desperate or deluded players.
At this level I think the players are mainly going to go wherever the best contract is, and maybe family reasons as a secondary factor. They probably won’t care how much of a basketcase the club is provided they get paid.
They’ll all say when they sign that the size of the club, the vision the manager shared or the passion of the fan base are motivating factors but, in truth, if they got offered a better deal somewhere else that’s where they would have gone.
Isted one of the best keepers in the league last season
Edun smashed it when at lincoln a couple of seasons ago
Jones got player of the season at cambridge last year
Pan camara doesnt need explaning (one of the best in the league )
Taylor one of burtons better players who had alot of championship interest
May one of the top goal scorers in the leauge for the last 2 seasons
I know were short of quite a few players but with these signings we shouldnt be losing to bristol rovers and port vale, were a much better team with the ball on the floor, but have gone into a pump it long mode with 2 of the smallest strikers in the league. Theres alot in this team that needs to change certainly our set piece takers who are shocking, dean has to take 90% of the blame for the results weve had it just isnt good enough .
Does the following really need saying?
Edun. Not match fit, cannot yet complete 80, let alone 100 minutes Jones. Not been match fit, just about managed yesterday Camara. Injured yesterday. His debut was his first 90 mins in 18 months. Taylor. Obviously still not match fit yesterday, yet had to do the 100 mins May. Asked to play on his own up front in the early gsmes, not his strength.
Hector’s not match fit either, he would not have made that mistake end of last season.
And then we get on to exhausting three talented 18 year olds because Holden’s options from the bench are disinterested second-raters ( well ok, Payne at least tries) whom we cannot apparently shift out to make way for better players.
And the make up of the starting line ups changing match by match mainly due to the above issues.
Plus the ongoing injury "crisis" that reduces the number of fit players available !
For me the problem is that nothing much has changed from last season. The confused "strategy", the defensive errors, all these things were issues last season too. But last season we had Rak-Sakyi to pull our collective bums out of the fire. This season we don't.
There's enough mitigation that I am not waving any "Holden Out" banners yet. But he's absolutely under pressure and it is at least partially self-inflicted.
Actually having slept on it, reflected upon the first four games and thought about various comments I have slightly revised my angle on this.
I do think we need further recruitment and I think we should afford DH at least some time to develop, however as many have pointed out, the tactics have been mixed and poor, fitness is most definitely an issue and the set pieces are almost entirely woeful. These are all the managers responsibility and all need prompt attention.
Not sure that's true in the modern game. And we are now in our 4th season of chronic injury issues.
Young players looking dead on their feet after 80 mins was what I meant by fitness, as opposed to injuries. I do think that is a managers responsibility, as are preparation for set pieces and tactics, although I think Fannies point is valid re the latter is valid.
Personally I think he needs a squad but their are things he could and needs to focus upon and in these day of 15 mins of added time these are especially important
He's a pretty mediocre manager and I imagine if he goes we won't get much better. The idea that he'll get a quality squad seems pretty unlikely given our owners.
It all started with the ridiculous hand holding celebration after our 1-0 victory over Orient , oh we have a connection fuck off boo them they can’t do any worse
The squad needs work but no way it is worse than Port Vale and Bristol Rovers, we should be winning these easily.
Match thread littered with comments an out now bad Port Vale were, and every comment correct. They were awful and we didn't seem to have any game plan other than to give it to CBT and hope for the best
They weren’t awful they played to their strengths can’t blame teams like PV for doing that
How many time did their diagonal balls go over the guys head and out for a throw?
Port vale were awful and we gifted them 3 goals. Simple!
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What after two weeks .. calm down
If, and it's a big IF he's sacked, and so is Holden at the same time, would Rowett be welcomed by our fans ? .. ex Millwall and appointed after being sacked by our biggest protagonists (polite word) ?
He would be metaphorically crucified if he failed to make a major difference at once, and think of the abuse we'd get from the Toolbox Fans .. a very decent manager, but a very risky proposition for CAFC i m o .. wise after the event, we should have appointed him way back when .. Bowyer coming back might be the thing .. he would certainly sort out the chaff still hanging round the squad and is still, (again) i m o a Charlton Legend .. we must be aware of appointing another Garner type, all mouth and snow white T shirt with no affiliation nor interest in the club other than as a 'professional manager' moving up the leagues
I like Holden a lot and would definitely give him time, unlike Adkins and a few others that were hopeless I genuinely feel Holden can get it right
But we are missing a CB, Leaburn, Cambell, Fraser and a Rak Saki equivalent
They’ll all say when they sign that the size of the club, the vision the manager shared or the passion of the fan base are motivating factors but, in truth, if they got offered a better deal somewhere else that’s where they would have gone.
Plus the ongoing injury "crisis" that reduces the number of fit players available !
No further words necessary.
There's enough mitigation that I am not waving any "Holden Out" banners yet. But he's absolutely under pressure and it is at least partially self-inflicted.
Personally I think he needs a squad but their are things he could and needs to focus upon and in these day of 15 mins of added time these are especially important
Plus the awful second half capitulation at Newport, which turned out to be far more representative of our league form than we thought at the time
fuck off
boo them they can’t do any worse
A punt at promotion would be nice, but we are at our natural level with the personnel available to us.
The fact that we are now owned by anyone better than the last lot(s) is just about to be proven one way or another.
I know where my money is and Holden will be collecting his pay off by November at the latest.